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Episode · Feb 18, 2025 ·

All Things Crypto: @VaderResearch Team Thieves @hellochow

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Summary

0:00:10

Dave Rages at Crypto Greed

Dave opened the show furious about excessive greed in crypto and teased discussions on the Kelsier Ventures and Hayden scandal, plus the Vader team incident. Kool added that these influencers risk jail if the DOJ or SEC pursues them and noted Solana tokens were getting murdered amid the fallout.

0:00:10Dave opens hot about crypto greed and upcoming topics

0:06:00Ben Chow (Meteora) reactions on recorded calls

0:09:47Kool on KOLs repeatedly getting 1000x allocations and house always winning

Moments0:05:11
0:13:41

Vipers Eat Each Other

Landy described the current environment as crime season with historical parallels to NFT and ICO grifts, plus TradFi infiltration. Landy predicted vipers would eat each other with lawsuits flying and some turning on others to save themselves. Dave and Landy named specific influencers and explained how NFTs were used to mask token sales with on chain data often ignored.

0:23:22Potential legal consequences and vipers eating each other

0:29:53

Bread Defends Billy Betts Launch

Bread joined to discuss the Billy Betts launch which features a real product and a revenue generating AI agent. Bread said the team is fully doxed with reputations on the line and that profits from the agent will be used for token buybacks and burns. Dave and Landy criticized the Vader team for their airdrop tool excuse after Dave was kicked from their Telegram and explained how the launch allowed speculators to push price before injecting liquidity.

0:42:15

Body Language and Junie Summary

AlphaGamer analyzed body language tells in Hayden's video and noted Dave Portnoy moved his Greed token holdings into Jailstool. Junie AI summarized Kelsier Ventures Hayden Davis and Doctor Tom's background including his prior role at Children's Hope Chest. Dave pressed Junie for scandal details but she reported finding none.

1:04:17

Hacks Momentum and Pi Skepticism

The group discussed a security breach on Abstract Chain via Cardex involving session token exploits that drained wallets. Kool highlighted Stacks ecosystem momentum and the Yaps leaderboard while Dave invited Dylan for an upcoming Bitcoin DeFi show. The episode closed with discussion of the Pi Network mainnet launch where Kool and Dave expressed skepticism after six years of delays.

Key quotes

“crypto has gotten way too fucking greedy, man. Like, it is just out of control now.”

Dave0:03:12Share on X

“How is it possible for these guys to have access to these tokens every single time? It makes no sense. The reason why is they are people that control the house.”

Kool0:09:47Share on X

“I'd argue that there was never a need for Gary Gensler to try to kill the industry. We're good at doing that ourselves.”

Landy0:13:41Share on X

“This is not the first time that they've done this. Like, we... We've seen how they wash already. This is all on chain.”

Landy0:27:00Share on X

“we have an actual fucking product. You know? We're not just like, oh, yeah, we're a token named after Martha Stewart's cat.”

Bread0:32:06Share on X

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