All Things Crypto: Decentralized AI Week cont d with Wire Network

# All Things Crypto: Decentralized AI Week cont d with Wire Network | 2025-03-04 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1yoKModyWwNJQ | status: approved
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[0:00:37] Voice K: My back to the delay, boys. Had to, you know, settle up with Bubba's groomer. So here we go. Woah.
[0:03:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Guys, do me a favor. Like, share, retweet this out. I'm just putting it out. One second. We're get cooking.
[0:03:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: She took a whole thing. Slow down. What's up, guys? Sorry for the delayed opening. My apologies. If you ever had a dog mad at you, my dog's officially mad. Bubba literally does not want to talk to me because he hates getting a haircut. But my man was dirty, and he needed a haircut. So it is what it is. What's good, everybody? Bread, what up? Web ghost. I don't know. I just let you up by accident. Wire network is here. What's good, guys? Welcome to ATC. We got another crazy ass show for you guys today, so I'm super, super excited to kinda go over some stuff with you guys. There's been hella crypto news that's been cooking out here. Yeah, man. Lots of stuff to do, but what's good, guys? Cool. What's good? What's good? Oh,
[0:04:41] Kool @koolcryptovc: yeah. What a what a happy Tuesday, Wednesday. Tuesday. Yeah, happy Tuesday. Tuesday... Happy Tuesday. Hope you guys are doing okay. Much love all of you. Landy, I see you. BEC, what's up? What's up?, what's up? Dave, what's going on? Yeah, man. Let's go. I'm ready for the show, man. Let's go. Let's do it.
[0:04:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's do it. Landy, what's good?
[0:05:02] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, man. It's, it's been an exciting, exciting, well, day, for myself, actually away from markets. I wish I could talk about some of that. But, you know, also, it seems as though it was a a pretty good day in the market, at least in the shorter term time frame. So I hope that, those that were, maybe watching some of the Monday analysis that I did or listened to us yesterday in the brief period where we did talk about analysis that that they were paying attention. So... And definitely definitely don't look away now. Things are still in in the progress of a move, and we'll see if anything changes by by the end of this week or weekend, which is gonna be really interesting to see considering what's coming up tomorrow with Powell. So... Yeah. Just having fun other than that.
[0:05:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, man. Love it. Ken, I don't know why I can't let you up. I got the wire account up here. For some reason, Ken, it says that you're still connecting. Let's see maybe now. Yeah. Ken, you there? We got you.
[0:06:09] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. I'm here.
[0:06:10] Kool @koolcryptovc: What's up, man? Welcome to
[0:06:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: the show. What's going on?
[0:06:13] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: I'm good. Just caught the tail end of it yesterday. I was actually the one on the wire network account. Heard the the praises that you sang us and wanted to jump on and and talk some, some blockchain innovation.
[0:06:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, man. I appreciate you being here. Yeah. I'm gonna go around and say... Finish saying what's up to everybody else. What we do, just so you know, Ken, is we kinda just go through all crypto news, things that are going on in the timeline, anything relevant crypto wise. This is kinda like your your spill it all kinda place, and you are perfect here. Like, this is the perfect place for you to kinda showcase what you guys are doing, everything that me and Bill also, obviously. So I'm excited to obviously chat with you. But, yeah, hang out two seconds. We're gonna get cooking in just a minute. Let me just say what's up to everybody else. Bill do, what's good, my boy?
[0:07:01] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Oh, man. He then kicked my ass. I'm I'm hurting still, but I saw a wire coming on, and I have to power through. So I'm here. I'm trying to support, trying to do the best I can, but I'm struggling today.
[0:07:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Goddamn. You sound so much worse than yesterday, doesn't you guys? Oh my god. Oh, Bill Lowe. Hey, man. Listen. They they they say you guys went
[0:07:25] Kool @koolcryptovc: to strip clubs, man, like, all day. Is that what... Is that
[0:07:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey, man. I told you not to tell anybody about that. Cool. What the hell, bro? That was between me and Bildo. But I swear to god. They didn't even tell him we went to a strip club. How the hell you know that shit? Anyways You
[0:07:39] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: didn't even go.
[0:07:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like, yeah. I didn't even go. That's the... Bilgo went. I didn't even go. Crazy talk. Oh, maybe that's what it was. Shit. There it is. Bill... Bread, what's good, bro?
[0:07:51] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yo. GM GM gang. Just, yeah, slowly recovering from Eat Denver, man. That was a that was a hell of a week followed up by a weekend. I was up in, Breckenridge for the weekend with a bunch of people from East Denver and... Holy shit, man. Yeah. I'm I'm right there with the rest of you. I don't know what day it is. I don't know what time it is. All I know is that, yeah, code code needs to be done, so I'm gonna keep doing that and happy to hang out. Sorry I missed Sunday, brother. I was, like, in the middle of, like, a big, like, dinner type fucking thing that, like, you know, the the whole bumping elbows and doing all the bullshit. So... But happy to be back.
[0:08:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Brent, big time now, mister Billy Betts. It's big time now. Watch out Breckenridge. You're skiing this shit with all the fancy. I'm like, okay. I see you, Brent. I see you. No. No worries at all. Hey, cool. This is where it pays to be old, Landy. This is where it pays to be old, bro. Like, I was in bed sleeping at 10:30, bro. At 10:30, 11:00? Ow. I was done.
[0:08:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: See you.
[0:08:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You wanna come and play? Nah. Yeah, bro. I'm a come see you for a hot second. I did ditch bread, though, obviously. I mean, I was dead, bro. I was dead tired. These things kick your ass. It's not a joke. But, anyways
[0:09:07] Bread @_ToastMalone: left it at the altar, bro. You just kinda... I was like, yo. Let's go. Let's fucking go rage, bro. And, like, he turned around. I was like, where the fuck did he go?
[0:09:15] Kool @koolcryptovc: Bro, I walked in
[0:09:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: the first day, bro. They're like, hey. You that Billy Betts guy? I'm like, oh, man. I'm never gonna see this guy for another forty five minutes now. And I'm like, forget about it. I'm gonna go grab a beer. Drank one. I drank two. I'm like, I'm out. See you. I'm like, yeah, bro. I had to go. Sorry. No. But... Yo. Let me tell you something. If if Wyatt being here, if Speron yesterday being here, like, you guys are in for treatment because what what we heard, like I said, like, we're gonna go into so many different things, but let's go kinda let's go over the news first because there was a ton of news today on the crypto side. Cool. Did you see? That's it. The 500,000 ETH officially put through the washing machine. Thank you, Thorchain. Done. Now sitting in beautiful BTC land across 6,000 wallets, and they're pretty much free to do whatever the fuck they want right now. 500,000 ETH. So much for the collective effort. Everybody coming together, but 1,400,000,000 literally less than a week. What do you make of this?
[0:10:15] Kool @koolcryptovc: Well, you know you
[0:10:16] Kool @koolcryptovc: know you know what's crazy? I think they said... Was it crack... Kraken? I can't remember. Some exchange have the chance to freeze the funds, and they decided not to do it.
[0:10:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's guys... You know, it's very weird, man. Very... I think... I saw this tweet from...
[0:10:32] Kool @koolcryptovc: It was from Zach XBT. He said... I don't I don't remember the exchange, but they could have frozen the fund, but it was not... It was... I think it was Circle. Yes. It was Circle. Sorry. Wasn't it? It was Circle. They could've frozen the money, and they didn't do it. I'm like, god. Guys, look, man. I I don't know, man. Like, you know what? Things happen, you know, in this world, man. We we don't know. I don't know. Who knows? But it makes no sense. Why would Circle not freeze the money? I I don't know. Whatever. But, yeah, man, it's... Yeah. I guess it's it's just the way the way the game is played, man. Unfortunately, there's gonna be more more more scams. I... Part of crypto.
[0:11:14] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm I'm not gonna lie
[0:11:14] Kool @koolcryptovc: to you. But you don't you don't want North Korea to be funding its nuclear program through crypto. That's not a good look, man. And you know what? We were so lucky, guys. We dodgy a bullet because imagine if this hack happened when Biden was in power or if a terrorist had won. Guy, it's game... Guy, it's game over. It's done. That means it is it is via Warren. She would kill the industry. The only reason why... This news was big. It was the biggest hack. He equipped the history. Right? I think. But this news didn't really take off like you think it would. The reason it didn't take off because we have a crypto friendly industry now. But I I don't like this shit. I'm not gonna lie to you guys, man.
[0:12:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, said, I'll take the 5,500,000 in fees for helping you... For helping washable point four billion.
[0:12:12] Kool @koolcryptovc: They have... Have 3,000,000,000 in volume. 3,000,000,000. So out of... Guys, like I said, we'll see what happens in the future, but it's crazy.
[0:12:22] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Well, no one likes funding North Korea. Right? But it it also happens, probably even in a bigger way in the traditional markets with with Fiat. So we have to put it in perspective. And just because this is the industry and we expect, you know, us to be better, which we're getting there, like, make no mistake about it. Like, North Korea gets funded very well through hacks in the traditional market.
[0:12:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Interesting. I like that. I like it, Ken. I mean, yeah, it's true when you really think of... But one... But I'll say this, though. Right? 1,400,000,000 got absorbed. Bybit didn't even blink about it, and we're all still here talking about it a week later as if kinda like nothing. Right? So am I really that mad they wash 1,400,000,000? Me personally? Yeah. It sucks, but... Okay. I'm I'm, like, I feel better for the crypto industry as a whole that we kinda made it through. This isn't some crazy FTX situation, and everything is like, oh my god. I don't know. I think we handled it pretty well.
[0:13:20] Kool @koolcryptovc: Landy, go for it.
[0:13:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: Look. If they had if they had exercised control over this to to stop the flow of money or or seize the, stables or whatever, that would have been, that would have sent a bigger ripple through the industry than anything else because, you know, even just like the discussions that we're getting a little too close to, to the whole roll back the chain discussion on ETH, then Solana Maxis were, you know, making fun of the... Of ETH people. And then then all of a sudden, it was like, well, now now it's on... The the shoes on the other foot. Let's roll back and stop things on the Solana chain. And it's like, look. If you wanna stick to the ethos of decentralization and and at least for some of these chains that are, you know, fairly... That can even entertain these types of discussions and platforms that facilitate some of the transactions on these chains if they start to do any of that stuff, any of those options. It's a much bigger problem in the crypto industry and and I think would send a a ripple throughout the industry around the world, than the actual hack itself. Now, you know, we... Nobody here is is gonna be advocating... Well, maybe some people. I don't know about people in the audience, but nobody here is gonna be advocating for, you know, or championing the actual attack and and funding of this via... Funding of North Korea via the Lazarus Group. But, you know, you know, perfectly said just a moment ago, this happens in... With FIAT all the time. We just, we we don't talk about it much, maybe not as prominent as this type of event, with the players involved. But, you know, there's a lot of a lot of, fraud, a lot of attacks, a lot of exploits, and a lot of scams that happen in the fiat world that still far outweighs, what we've even seen in crypto thus far. It's bigger, more notable, and usually, larger... The the larger cases like this that are highlighted. So, you know, it is what it is. I'm I'm gonna... I I know it sounds like bad, I guess, in some circles, in some respects, but I'm glad that they didn't do anything because I think that would have been damaging... Very damaging if they actually did something.
[0:16:06] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Well, Landy, I have a problem with the fact that they could if they wanted to. Like, why is that even a mechanism? Right? Like Exactly. So it's it's it's almost... It's a mute point whether they whether they did or they didn't. Like, the fact that they can is where, like, my beef starts. And so that's why we need to decentralize everything, and that's the only way. And the the second point about what I said earlier about the traditional markets not happening, it happens every day. The only problem is is that no one hears about it mostly because it's kept under the rug and you have FDIC insurance where JPMorgan, Bank of America, you... Like, name your bank, they get hacked every single day. Funds are taken every single day in some sort of, you know, fraudulent way. The only thing is is it it doesn't hit the mainstream news.
[0:17:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's facts. It's so true. I mean, it really is true. Yeah. I I don't know. Bill, though, Brett, you guys wanna chime in on on on any of this BTC stuff?
[0:17:16] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. Dude, this is... I mean, I haven't seen the market this fucking volatile in so long, dude. I mean, like, yeah, we're used to it out here. I mean, like, you know, these massive swings, but, dude, this this past weekend was absolutely insane. And I think that there's... You know, now that the veil has been lifted off of, you know, where the government stands with crypto and how it's kinda like... I I feel like we're seeing a lot more things start to become a little bit more lax, which I feel like means there's a lot more conversations happening over drinks and dinners and things like that. And, you know, there's a... I just don't think that this is all due solely to market conditions. You know what I mean? I think that there's a lot of kind of insider talks happening that are, at a much higher level than we're privy to.
[0:18:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I agree. I mean... And and, also, I mean, when we talk if we talk about volatility, let's kinda, like, like, maybe, you know, segue into this next story where you... We heard today Trump was gonna obviously, like, roll out the tariffs on Canada and Mexico. I I believe it was 20, 25%. And now just an hour ago, Watcher Gurus just come, is just reporting that Trump's secretary of commerce says Trump may roll back tariffs on Canada and Mexico tomorrow, which I thought was always a plan all along. I thought it was essentially like, hey. This is kinda negotiating tactic, right, just to kinda get the shit done that he wanted to get done off of the agenda and just really, you know, whether it's drug cartel... Like, the drug cartels on the Mexican side, like, you know, low prices, but we're seeing a lot of the policies work. But, man, 25% was, like, serious. I was watching some... I was... Cool. I actually had the t... I listened to the TV today a little bit, like, actual, like, mainstream news in the background, bro. And I was hearing them... Like, I heard, like, Trudeau on TV. I know that's crazy because I haven't watched TV in forever.
[0:19:06] Voice K: I heard Trudeau literally saying, like, this country is
[0:19:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: worth fighting for, trying to get, like, the rallying cry, and just I'm just kinda, like, chuckling and giggling to myself a little bit in the background. But is that contributing out here? Like, when when you look at these tariffs between, like, our neighbors to the north and the south, at the end of the day, like, we literally... Like, Brett is right. The volatility has been wild out here, man. Like, 96,000 back to 87,000. Like, this is... You better hold on out here. Hey,
[0:19:34] MAR @MARx24x: Dave. Real quick. First of all, I hope everyone is doing great.
[0:19:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo, Mark. Hold on one second. I was just about to make a point.
[0:19:40] Kool @koolcryptovc: Could you hear Bruce? No. No. No. No. No. Just just one second.
[0:19:43] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'll I'll give you
[0:19:44] Kool @koolcryptovc: my bro. Just one second. Yeah. So we went from 78 to 95, 96 back to eight seventy nine, and now we are 80 something. I think this... All the terrorist stuff is really a way to to to to to push this... The... This... Their strength around. They're trying to see... And, of course, the market reacts. Right? Not just our markets. The Canadian Canadian stock market reacts also, and that's how you kinda let these presidents see that, look. The US is in power, man. We have a lot of power, but it feels like we haven't really been using it properly, I guess. But we'll see what happens with the terrorist stuff. I've heard a lot of things. It's negative. It's positive. Tomorrow's tomorrow's free show, I don't really know, man. We... It's really... If it really benefits the country. But if Trump is using this stuff as as... To get a better deal, I think it's good for the country, at least for The US. Maybe bad for Canada or China or whatever, but but the markets don't like uncertainty. And that's why we're getting this volatile crazy, not just in in the crypto markets, also in stock market too. So... But I hope we just get a more certain market because we... The the markets like certainty, and I hope we get that sooner.
[0:20:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Agreed. Yeah. I mean, look. It's not stopping all the volatility. It's not stopping a lot of people. Right? Naeem is literally still saying, hey, man. We're still buying 1 Bitcoin a day. But yesterday, he bought 5 Bitcoin.
[0:21:09] Kool @koolcryptovc: And it
[0:21:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: was like, so somebody's buying the dip, buying the dip, and then if it's dipping, he's keep buying the dip. So the volatility is here, man. That's like... It... It's here to stay. But, Mark, go for it. My my bad, Mark. Go for
[0:21:21] MAR @MARx24x: No. No. And just real quick because it caught my attention. Man, if you think that... I mean, the hacks in the traditional market is just beyond it. You guys are 100% right. The cover ups are big because of the insurance and all that shit. But I had a friend, you know, and I don't know who named this. And this is not as bad it's not as bad as it is now than ten years ago, but something that stablecoins and crypto are not gonna have this issue with is counterfeit money, bro. That is... We're talking in the trillions in the trillions when it comes to counterfeit money, fake money, bro. And that just an... Another level that you guys have no idea. And I had a close friend that worked on... Close to a department that I just disgusting how how much, you know, counterfeit money that the government had to deal with. That's why they they... They're now in the, you know, the the... More digital money, debit card, and all that because they they were just losing their asses left and right. But I I... My friend goes, man, at one time, think I we could probably have more counterfeit money than real money, bro. Just insane, bro.
[0:22:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's super... Yeah. That... You know what it is. But, like, for us down... Like, when I say down here, like, in these trenches down here. You hear me? Like, for us here in crypto, right, it's, 1,400,000,000. That's the biggest hack ever. Oh my god. And it's like, okay. 1,400,000,000. But when you look at just the amount of total dollar volume, like, Ken's right. Right? Like, total dollar amount, like, that's transacted just on a daily basis, like, in the fiat system, like, between Swift and all of the different banks across the world. It's absolutely crazy. And now with AI, whoo, this is why, Ken, I can't wait to... I I really can't wait to challenge you. Yeah, Mars.
[0:23:08] MAR @MARx24x: David, one thing. I I don't get too much into the technical stuff and shit, but some of my friends do think that this this whole fucking dump that we're having, at least one one of the two, I think the first one, it has... It does have to do with the hack.
[0:23:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't know, man. It's sitting in Bitcoin walls. They said they're tracking a lot of it. So, I mean I mean, Landy, you can maybe help better kinda, like, give us some color here, and then I'm gonna go say what's up to Caleb. Go ahead, Landy.
[0:23:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I mean, look, conversation kinda kinda went went around a little bit here. But first things first, I'm happy to see that we're finally exercising our leveraged position or leveraging our position in the economic world in a way that's actually gonna benefit The United States in the longer run. A lot of people making a big deal on the on the tariff side of things about, oh, no. They they they... We import the largest amount of, of crude from Canada, and it's like, yeah, it's sour crude. We also process it with our, in our refineries, and then we ship it back to them. There's also a lot of, you know, hard line talk coming out of Canada, and then, of course, you know, we... We're already implementing this. They tariff the ever loving crap out of goods... Out of American goods going into Canada, by the way. So, you know, this is this is a very small tariff in comparison to how they tariff some of our goods. I like I like what he's doing. He's shown with now Zelensky wanting to come to the table after the debacle the other day, you know, and and Trump now exercising, you know, like, hey. We're just gonna stop funding weapons, everything until you come to the table and at least negotiate a ceasefire. Right? And then we can go from there. Well, guess what? Now Zelensky is back at the table. He wants to do
[0:25:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: a deal. He wants to go with
[0:25:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: the mineral thing all of a sudden. Because when he went to Europe, what happened? They said, oh, okay. Here's a little bit of tiny tiny bit of money, and... But this is on the contingency that you make up with with The United States over there because without them, you're screwed. Right? And Trump knows that he holds all the cards in that regard. Now kinda getting to, getting to, the the last comment there about, like, where where where the market is now, one of the main reasons why the market kind of, went down out of the range there is we had, Dave, you know this as well as I do. You've probably even looked into it a little bit. I don't know. You've been really busy, but know, we had a lot of hedge funds that were buying into the spot ETFs on the way up, both both, Bitcoin and Ethereum. Right? And and then we saw heavy, future short positions coming in in CME when when, Bitcoin and Ethereum were forming those ranges, and they unwound coming into the end of the month. So it started, you know, before the end of the month, the week before, so they started unwinding those positions. It hit support. Hey. That's an opportunity to drop all the, all the spot ETF positions and ride some of the shorts down, get
[0:26:18] Bread @_ToastMalone: it closed before the end
[0:26:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: of the month. One of the major reasons why we saw that, really, really head down in a more aggressive way than than many maybe expected, although there was a few of us that were looking for that. And and the hack, how did that play into it? It definitely hurt. It didn't help, But we saw how volatile the market got to the downside and then back to the upside even around that. And then it's just kind of market repositioning and forces that kinda took over from there. You know, I do think that it's in the grand scheme of things, the kind of demand that we're seeing on the fundamental side of things like exchanges and OTC desks, you know, having in... You know, they're they're not increasing in their supply of of coins. They're decreasing in supply of coins. Meaning, if there's out... Aggregate net outflows for, you know, the majors, Bitcoin, Ethereum, likely gonna start seeing that with others now that, you know, we we have, the potential of a crypto reserve here in The United States coming up. Now that's where the the wider market forces as well as in traditional markets and maybe more of the narrative of players in the game kind of repositioning and readjusting in relation to the tariff stuff comes into play too because these markets are still very tightly tied to traditional market liquidity, even if, you know, Bitcoin holds up a little bit better sometimes and not others and so on and so forth with other cryptos. It does play a part. I don't think it plays as big of a part as many suspect, though, with that attack on on Bybit.
[0:27:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I don't wanna I don't wanna beat the dead horse, but great points, Lenny. Good stuff. Yeah. I'm I'm also watching them. Watch it, Guru. It said Trump administration proposed selling 443 federal properties, including the FBI and DOJ headquarters. There's nothing off limits at the end of the day, man. It's like, if it's not tied down, it don't matter. He's gonna try and sell it. My man is a businessman first. That is crazy. I love it. Kayla, what's up? Thanks for being patient. What's going on?
[0:28:23] Kool @koolcryptovc: It's good to see your face.
[0:28:25] Voice I: Hey, everyone. Not bad. Just got back from East Denver. I don't, you know, I don't know too much about the the whole tariff conversation. I know a little bit. But at the end of the day, I'm worried that, you know, the narrative has become, like, super UBI focused and that, like, we're really just watching them play chess right now as they focus on, like, keeping us more dependent on the system. You know? We can't forget that we're fighting the system, not trying to be part of it.
[0:28:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Wait. You came back from Heathenburg. You sound actually fine. You don't sound sick. Wait till you hear Bill don't get off the mic. It's crazy.
[0:28:59] Voice I: I... Oh, no. Really? I'd... Listen. I haven't been sick, thank god, in, like, five years, but who's sick? Oh, no.
[0:29:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Bildo came back. I mean, me and Bildo went to Denver. Bildo just came back very, very sick.
[0:29:12] Voice I: I didn't see Brad or Dave at Denver. Dang.
[0:29:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, that's right. Yeah. What's up with that? I passed by the GenZio booth a million times. I didn't even see action though. Like, yeah, don't know. Were y'all even working?
[0:29:23] Voice I: I was not, actually. I was mingling.
[0:29:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ready to mingle. Well, listen. It's good to have you.
[0:29:31] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: How does Kayla sound like she, like, she came back unscathed? Like, all of us are really sick or on fumes. Yeah.
[0:29:39] Voice I: Oh, I'm chilling. I don't know. Like, I always like to get back a Saturday so that, like, I can have a Saturday, Sunday vibe, you know. So I... Yeah. It's Tuesday. Come on, guys. Get get on the horse.
[0:29:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know, I landed at literally 04:45AM this morning after a red eye flight. Yeah.
[0:29:54] Voice I: That's why. That is why. Like, you you gotta leave on Saturday. Like... And I know the parties are fun, but at the same time, I missed you guys. So, you know.
[0:30:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. So did you really, like, get the most out of your trip? Like, let's be serious. If you missed us... Yeah. Exactly.
[0:30:08] Voice I: No. But, like, at the same time, I have decided that, like, you know, like, leaving on Saturday is worth it.
[0:30:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fair enough. You know what? You're probably right. I mean, I kinda used Sunday to recover a little bit, but it is what it is. Noted noted for next time, but, mean, it was a week. And it was just a week of so much stuff. It really, really was. Like, genuinely, a ton of stuff. And we'll get to some other stuff, like, news at the end. But, Ken, I wanna get you in on this, man, because I wanna give us enough time to be able to go over everything that went on at, like, dawn of the agents. That was the name of the actual day that that Bildo and I spent over there. So give us an intro. Like, tell us everything we wanna know about you. You know, give us a bay... At least a basic super high level intro about you, the wire blockchain, and then maybe we can kinda just jump in from there.
[0:30:56] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. Sure. And and, Kayla, remind me. I'm gonna have a comment about your your UBI that you talked about. But I... Ken DeCrosse, founder and CEO of of Wire Network. I've been in the safe space since 2013. Tried to get in at 2012, but back then as a US citizen, it it... If you're from that era, it was extremely hard to to even buy a Bitcoin at that point. So I I I say 2013 just because that's when I officially got in. Building out products since, you know, 2015, 2016, in the space. And, in 2020, we found a really great cofounder in Kyle Dolan, who's my CTO. And, we stopped building at the application level when we realized that if we're gonna be the the future of finance, like we all talk about, that the infrastructure wasn't ready. And me coming from traditional finance, like, understand how the stock market works. I understand traditional financial instruments, and it's like, we're we're not even close. So he and I, the past four and a half, five years, have built, and are about to release, the the innovation that's gonna push this industry forward, which is a a universal transaction layer. So I can get into that. And then, yeah, it has a lot of implications, especially with AI and on chain agents. So at Eat Denver, where you guys were at, were the dawn of the agents event that that we put on with six zero seven nine and Morpheus and a a group of independent AI participants. And, yeah, it was... I kept getting feedback that it was the best production value of of any of the side events. So I was really proud that we were able to do that. And, yeah, we wanna just, you know, get everyone educated, let everyone know how to position for this this great future that's about to happen.
[0:33:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. I love it. Bill, though, I don't know if you have... I I kinda want you to conserve your energy, but I know that you have a really great way of of kinda summarizing these things. Just give everybody, if you can, maybe, like, your reaction of of the day, and and maybe we can kinda jump in from there too. But... Yeah. I mean, guys, it was wild. But... Yeah. Bill, go go for it, man.
[0:33:23] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Yeah. I mean, I obviously come from, like, the Futurist side. And through some degen sleuthing, I think I had found wire network quite a while ago, and nothing really kinda came out of it. Then six zero seven nine and, like, the Think merger kinda started to happen. And then it was very confusing for a little bit of, like, well, how do all of these pieces kinda work together? And I think my biggest kinda takeaway from Eat Denver was, like, it's not a competition. Openness always wins in the same way when, you know, the Internet had HTTP standard in place. That's what really kinda set out this, you know, Internet boom and allowed immense growth within, the industry. So to me, my biggest takeaway was kinda like the openness and everybody building together for the same vision. So, yeah, I was I was super stoked.
[0:34:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It... I mean, it was really impressive. And, guys, you know how I... Like, we always try and give you guys, like, the, like, the the the simple Junie breakdown. She wasn't cooperating a little yesterday. She kinda went off the rails yesterday with Fearon at the end, but, let's see let's see if we can get her to, to give us a simple breakdown. Ken, tell me what you think it is. Junie, wake up. Junie, tell us about the WYR blockchain, please.
[0:34:43] Voice J: Wired Blockchain is a decentralized platform designed to support AI powered applications and digital agents. It enables these systems to interact and share data securely and efficiently without relying on a central authority. Essentially, it helps different blockchains and AI systems communicate seamlessly, making it easier for developers to build advanced applications. The network is designed for high speed transactions, strong security, and scalability, ensuring it can handle a large volume of operations without slowing down. It also features smart contracts to automate tasks and includes privacy features to protect user data. With community driven governance, participants can have a say in decision making, making it a robust foundation for AI to thrive across different platforms.
[0:35:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thanks, Junie. Not bad. I thought it was pretty on point. Ken?
[0:35:35] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yes. She hit she hit the majors the major components. There's a lot of nuance in there, and and special features. But, yeah, overall, you know, it's, think of, like, the Visa network in in traditional, because that everyone... Everyone's, you know, interacted with that. It's like you don't... You can go to any country now. And if you are a US citizen and you go to Spain and you swipe your card, like, the... That local store owner, you know, gets their euros, and it does all the conversions on the on the back end for you, and you don't even know. And that's how you have to think about what wire is. So, like, what's what's underpinning what's underpinning Visa? Well, it's all the banks. Right? It's it's us. We deposit money in the banks, and then, you know, this abstraction layer happens, and that's Visa, Mastercard, you know, you name it. That's how you have to look at what we're doing. It's in a decentralized way, in a trustless way. We figured out how to have this transaction layer where all of the banks, quote, unquote, in this case, blockchains, can seamlessly tie in and have a, you know, a full scope financial system.
[0:36:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: So it's like the... So this is where I think people struggle with. Right? Like, give us something comparatively that we can think about it because I feel like people look at this super linearly where it's like it's either, like, blockchain to Ethereum. Right? But then when they hear AI and agents, they don't assimilate the two of them together. So how do you guys bring all this together?
[0:37:17] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Right. So we've been doing this since 2020. We identified that... Because, again, if you look at the world stock market, right, you have exchanges all over the world. And from your Schwab or Fidelity or whatever, you know, whatever account you use, you can buy... You just say, like, here's the stock I wanna buy. And then it routes to whatever exchange that IPO'd on. So, for example, if you're trying to buy Tesla, you know, from your Fidelity account, it routes to, you know, the Nasdaq because we're... That's where it IPO'd and buys it. If you if you wanna buy Mercedes, it's gonna go to the German stock market. If you're... If you want Nissan, it's gonna go, you know, to the Japanese stock stock market. And it does that in a very efficient way. And that's where... That's the same way that the wires, you know, UTL works. It, you know, it it standardizes, like, all the blockchains together. So it doesn't matter if it's Ethereum, Solana, like, you name it or others. It it aggregates that user... Those users and those liquidity to let you do, you know, whatever transactions you want. So that's... That was the mindset back in 2020 of why we did that. Then, you know, fall of twenty twenty three comes around, and, you know, you get meta releasing, like, know, open source. And it's like, okay. Now we can start doing decentralized AI. Well, what does that mean? It's like, well, these things are gonna start having agents. These agents can can perform better than any human, and it's gonna need even more robust features than are currently out there. And it just so happened to be that everything that we were building is exactly what you need for... Because there's agents out there. But if you want the most highly performant agent, which everybody does or everybody will, then it has to... There's requirements there. Like, you need really good identity. You need a universal wallet. You need access to all these chains. You need super fast speed. You need super low cost, and it better be very secure. Those are the requirements, and that just happens to be exactly what Wires UTL does.
[0:39:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Give me... So at the end, the last... The little... The three letter acronym when you say UTL, what's... Wait. Yeah.
[0:39:46] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: The universal transaction layer.
[0:39:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Universal transaction layer. Okay. Just wanna make sure I got it because I know we throw a lot of acronyms out here sometimes. So now this is already... Because I'm I'm literally brand new to this. Right? Like, I was literally listening to your talk, if you remember, was on the screen now, but I was listening. I was like, how? How does this work? And you're like, let's talk after. But I'm like, this is... I I mean, just looking at some of your partners, right, between the Think guys, Apechain, Morpheus, like, you got... I mean, there's a ton here. Is this up and running currently? Like, can we use this now?
[0:40:17] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: It's in test net, and there's there's things that you can use. So if at the end, you saw that we presented, mute agents, which were, you know, the on chain agents that that mutate and evolve based off of community interaction with it. That's on our test net right now. And the the full main net goes live... The full main net goes, like, August 1, and we're probably gonna release what we're gonna call an alpha main net, which is a limited release of... You know, we're talking about real money. When when a main net goes live, like, that's, you know, that's real financial transactions. And so that'll probably be Ethereum Mainnet and Apechain to start because of our partnerships. And you can expect that probably mid to late next month.
[0:41:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Damn. Okay. This is right here. Oh, wait. So now how does... And I'm literally just thinking off the top of my head now. Right? So now what the think guys are doing, right, with, like, the... When we were talking about the souls and the agents, you guys are literally just... I I mean, not just. The universal transaction layer where I don't even have to pay gas. Correct?
[0:41:35] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. Correct. So when you when you think about... Let me pull back. When when you're thinking about AI right now, it's still very early doors. And so there's... There is a lot that needs to be developed before you can really start doing robust financial transactions. Because right now, like, I forget I forget what the guy's name... His handle is on x. It's like Phineas or something, but he... Whenever an agent has a wallet attached to it, like, he's able to hack it, you know, almost instantaneously. So there's there's things that we need to do. There's more infrastructure that needs to to happen before you can really have, you know, autonomous agents. Right now, they they call it, like, wizard of Oz agents where it's just like, you know, the man behind the curtain, like, you know, dictating all this, and you can't give it a wallet. So that's that's kinda where we're at, but it's it's gonna get into where it is everything that, you know, that we've ever imagined. So that's why, you know, Wires focused on... We're letting people know with the agents, how the detail is gonna work for agents, but we're really still focused on humans here in the short term. But when you... With with six zero seven nine, I guess, like, that was my preface. So with six zero seven nine and, you know, mind, body, soul, and all that, like, wire is more than just the transaction layer. So it is actually how you can have universal addresses, like how you can have universal identity on chain. So it's like once you have universal identity, then then you could start having a universal wallet because you have identity that that corresponds to every type of chain. And then you get to the wires l one. So we are an l one, but we're calling it the universal transaction layer because it it acts differently than every other l one in the space. And so, yeah, that's where you get... So identity, the wallet, and then the transaction layer is wires contribution to decentralized AI, and then everybody else is gonna build around it and, you know, put their agents, you know, on the UTL so they can do all the transactions they need.
[0:44:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Right. Because at the end of the day, an agent to agent economy or human to agent economy, it doesn't matter what it is, needs to be chain agnostic. Right? Like, they... Nobody's gonna care if whether you built your agent and it's on Solana or if it's on Ethereum or Base or wherever. Correct?
[0:44:16] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. That... When we release this, the the world shifts, and no one cares about what chain anymore. Like, true. I know we hear about that, like, that narrative. I'm telling you right now, like, when we release the UTL, no one's gonna care about what chain. Like, it's not gonna matter. Like, just like if you are on the... If you're getting a a game on the iOS, you know, on the Apple App Store, like, you don't know if that's Angular, React. Like, you don't know how it was built. Like, it doesn't matter. It's because the the, you know, the tech in the UI is able to abstract the need for the user to to know. They just wanna play the game. And we're able to do the same now with with blockchain where inside the universal transaction layer, like, your ETH, it doesn't matter if it's on ETH main net or ETH on on Solana or ETH on Polygon or ETH on every other type of chain. Like, it... It's not gonna matter anymore. It's just gonna be universal liquidity that allows you to do what you need to do.
[0:45:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wild. So it's like, I'm hearing all this, and I feel like everyone's quiet because they're kinda like, is this dude really saying that he's, like, the be all end all? Like, I'm not gonna need to use anything else but this? Because that's kinda where my head is at right now. Right? I'm trying to think, like, when when something like this... Like, when an innovation like this comes to, like, comes to light, like, it's put on my... Like, it's literally on my doorstep now, and I'm saying, is this actually real? Because I feel like this is... You you you took on so much. I'm just gonna... I'm really curious to see how you guys are actually gonna execute on this and, how this is gonna roll out. So you said the middle of next month is when we can... Well, now we can start testing a few things. Right? But middle of next month is when is when you could really, like, kick this up.
[0:46:06] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. Exactly. And so it's... You know, people ask, oh, where did you come from? Like like an overnight success. It's like, no. We've been building this for five years. Everyone's just now... And we've been telling people for five years. But when you only have it a white paper or you only have it, you know, drawn out on a board, like, in a vacuum type scenario, people are like, what you just said? Ah, get back to me when when you can prove that it's real. And it's like, okay. Well, we're in test net. We open sourced. We already got contracts audited. And here... Here's the next two dates of, you know, an alpha launch and a and a full main net launch. And whether you believe it or not, like, as an industry, like, everyone's gonna have to deal with the ramifications of a trustless, decentralized, universal transaction layer. And and for users and for everybody, unless you have dogma agenda, you know, it's gonna be something that's fantastic for this industry.
[0:47:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: And I see on the site now, we can also buy a node so we can contribute to this network. Like, how do... Like, what what... What's the what's the process there?
[0:47:22] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: You... You've done your homework. And that that you would you would think that we did... We know we had a a prep, which we didn't. It's... The the one other thing that we did that was completely different is we fractionalized the blockchain itself. Meaning, like, go back to 2014. When Ethereum did their ICO, like, what did... What was the... What would... Did they allow you to buy? They allowed you to buy a token that was, like, the gas token of the network. Right? And then they launched, and it was, like, 14 TPS, you know, on the network side. Well, they didn't give you an ability to buy a fraction of the t... Of the 14 TPS. Right? They just gave you the the gas token. And we wanted to... There's there's many reasons to do it, but we wanted to decentralize even further. And we're like, well, why don't we allow people to own an actual portion of the universal transaction layer? So it's 10,000 TPS to start. Like, we have... We're able to scale it as as need be. But you can actually own the TPS where all... When all these blockchains come in, you know, Ethereum, Solana, Cardano, Hedera, you know, all of the other EVMs, The train... The transactions happen in our UTL, meaning, like, that TPS is gonna be, you know, a very valuable asset because it's not gonna be needed to transact on the main chains. And so if you want, you know, to to wield the power of of, you know, universal TPS, you can buy a node and and be a part of, you know, the ecosystem in a in a a much bigger way.
[0:49:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Landy, cool. I'm a need to borrow 46 ETH. Okay? So I need y'all to go go go in your wallet. I'm a need y'all to really... Like, I need you to front me this money. Trust me. I'm good for it. I promise you I'll pay you back. Dave Dave, hold on. Hold on.
[0:49:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: You're... You can get away with the 4.6 ETH. I don't think you need to go for the for the 46 ETH one there, buddy.
[0:49:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, wait. There is... Oh, oh, no. That one's sold out. Oh, that's sold out.
[0:49:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: I don't know. There's... Don't go down more. We're not talking $750,000 in ETH. We're talking $10,000 in ETH.
[0:49:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: A 100 k, bro. Come on.
[0:49:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: One more down. One keeps growing.
[0:49:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Further... Oh, right. I didn't... Oh, there's a few of those remaining. Right. Yeah. Okay. Right. Right. Right.
[0:49:59] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: The the 10 k is a good option. We also are going into the launch. We're having two other options. So number one is there there will be a a tier four, which is really for the general population. And that will... It'll be, you know, somewhere around the $25 price point. And that allows the general public to get in who can afford, you know, 10, and you can buy as many as you want. And it gets you a universal name slash address, and it gets you, like, 48 to start. And then the other thing that we're rolling out, if if everyone is familiar with Morpheus, Morpheus, we helped create a a capital contract that allows people to never lose any of their principal. So what they did is you can stake your ETH in... You know, like, get your staked ETH, kinda like through Lido, and, you commit that to the to the contract. And then Morpheus got the yield of your ETH. And then in return for that yield, they issued you... They admitted more tokens. In in the first two weeks of that contract, $700,000,000 in ETH got staked into that contract. And... Because as a... As an investor, normally, you have to give up... You have to risk your principal. Right? You have to say, like, if I wanna own equity, I gotta put it into the company, and I and I put my capital at risk. Or if I wanna buy a node or a token, I have to put my capital at risk. And that new mechanism said, you don't have to put your capital at risk. You just point the yield of that capital to another company to get emissions. And at any point, you could take that that, ETH out. So you... You know, it's never at risk. The only the only thing that you have to potentially worry about is the actual price movement up and down of of ETH itself. But if you already plan on holding it, it gives you extra benefit. And so we're releasing the next generation of that capital contract with with our launch starting May 1. So May 1 to July 30 is a ninety day, what we're calling, fair launch. And then August 1, we'll do the, you know, the full release of the main net and the TGE.
[0:52:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Just so you know, the entire ATC crew up here will work for nodes will work for nodes. That needs to be a new thing, guys. WWFN will work for nodes. Mhmm. Yep. And and, Ken, just so I know, know you said $700,000,000 mistake. I just... I also remember hearing a staggering number of nodes being sold so far. What are the numbers there? I remember as I was literally, like, eating lunch in the back of the room, I was like, what did he just say?
[0:53:00] Kool @koolcryptovc: Well, how many did you how many did you...
[0:53:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like, are are currently sold of all the nodes?
[0:53:07] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: So all the tier ones are gone, whether that is from the allocation that the wire network is is keeping because, obviously, like, you know, we need to wield some of that power and some of that opportunity. And then the rest have gone to, you know, other partners. So there's only 21 of those in total. And then there's only 84 tier twos. We focus on tier ones first. So now that we're done with those, we're starting to work our way down in the tier twos. I think we have, you know, like, 60 some left. And then the tier threes, there's only a thousand total, and we're still in the nine hundreds on that. But everything is ramping up. Like, as people are starting to understand what we're capable of, we're we're able to get those big partnerships and and leverage them. And as we're getting closer to launch, like, you know, people are like, oh, maybe maybe they did actually do this, and we should we should get in just in case they're... You know, just in case they pulled a a rabbit out
[0:54:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: of their hat and did it right. Love this, man. Landy, me go to you real quick before I go to Mars. Give me... Landy, I'm really curious on your take on on all this... Listening to all this.
[0:54:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. I mean, like, this is... Isn't this something that we talked about a while ago? Like, some... You know, basically, a a seamless layer that interacts with with all of what we wanna do at the end of the day anyway. And I had really no understanding or clue that somebody was actually... You know, you always think, like, somebody's probably building that, but then you don't think that they're gonna show up on stage, and then here they are. So, mean, that's that's awesome. What I'm what I'm seeing, what I'm hearing is awesome. And as somebody that, runs a lot of, operations... I don't really run them, obviously, not day to day. I own a lot of operations in terms of, Bitcoin capacity, and have... I was very heavily involved in Ethereum. This is very, very intriguing to me. So I'm definitely gonna be diving a little bit deeper into what wire networks building, what you guys are doing over there because it's really... This is this is fascinating stuff. It's not often that... You know, we're lucky. We're lucky, especially here at ATC, that we get, access to a lot of people that that... Like yourselves, who are building this stuff and, like, an early heads up on what's going on. It's not it's not common that you see the aggregation of information occurring like this, in this manner. So I'm just thankful to even be here to listen to it.
[0:55:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And and, Ken, we're we're, like, we're gonna need it. I'm telling you right now, I know my I know my squad. I know my audience. Like, the silence for me is deafening because they're literally still processing what you said. And they're like, Really? I I can assure you that is exactly what the majority of people are like, oh my god. Like, what, like, what exactly... They genuinely don't know how to process it. Right? Like, I'm barely processing it. Like, I get it. Right? But it's like, this really exists. Why are we just finding out about this now? So I wanna do, like, obviously, like, a much deeper dive with you, but let let me go to Mars real real quick. Mars, you have a question for for Ken?
[0:56:24] MAR @MARx24x: Yeah. Yeah. I'll actually... I haven't gotten deep into the rabbit hole with Wired. I did found them through MannDocs six months ago. Ken, how how similar... I know that you guys are are gas free from what I read. How similar are you to Universal x when it comes to swapping?
[0:56:55] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: I... You know, I... I'm glad you got that question in because if I was gonna jump in, this was, like, the next segment that I wanted to talk about, which is the the interoperability space is so flush with the narrative that that it's really hard. The reason that no one... Or, you know, that some people probably haven't heard of us, one is we've, you know, we've been building in silence and just... I wanna... I don't like promoting vaporware. So I wanted to get it to a certain point where, you know, it's like, whether you believe it or not, like, you're gonna have to deal with it. But two, it's it's hard to rise up when anyone can say anything. And so the... How I like to talk about is is my VCs, partners, everyone comes to me with that kind of question, Mara, and they say, how are you like... You know, or what's the comparison between you and and x? And so what I've what I've whittled it down to is three questions that if you ask, you know, any other interoperability solution, if you ask them three things, they fail at one of them. And so number one is, are you truly universal? And what I mean by that is, you know, they'll say, like, oh, we're universal inside of EVMs. Right? Or we're universal inside the Cosmos ecosystem. It's like, I'm talking... It's like... Give them examples. Right? If if they say they're universal, do you mean... You just ask, like, do you mean, like, Cardano? Can you handle Hedera? Can you handle Polkadot? Like, there's there's millions of users and billions in liquidity on those other chains. And if you don't have the the protocol that handles all of them and standardizes all of them, then you're not gonna win because somebody else like Wire has actually figured out how to include all of them. So now, you know, the the... We've we've broken down all the walls. So that's number one. Is it truly universal? Number two, is it gasless? So one of our our big, you know, one of our big selling points is... Like, think about eBay. Right? EBay has to pay for their own compute. Like, they they go... They they probably use AWS. They they are prepaying in a web two world. They're prepaying their gas for you so that when you go to eBay and you start clicking around to do a transaction, like, it's not making you sign little, you know, micro transactions like like Web three does. And so for us, it's like, is it is it gasless? And not... And I'll I'll tell you another thing that's happening right now is people are perverting the the the term gasless, which is they're they're saying that they're gasless, but then they're charging you, like, a fee, and that fee actually encapsulates what the gas would have been. So it's like, you know, they're not even being transparent about it. They're... You know, I... It's I think it's a it's a shame that that people are perverting gasless. We don't do that. It's like, you know, Apechain, for example. You know, Yuga owns a tier one node. When they enable Apechain to have universal interoperability, like, it's literally going to... Like, if if you guys as a chain and, you know, users are are interacting with a platform that that it has powering... That the nodes powering, it passes through the gas to you just like in a web two environment, just in, like, a a seamless way. So is it gasless? That... That's an important... If if you're charging anything, you're charging too much to your user. That's how I feel. Because if you have... Just think about Uniswap a and Uniswap b. If Uniswap a makes you charge... Charges you gas fees and Uniswap b does not, like, who's gonna get the adoption? It's gonna be, you know, Uniswap b every single time. So that's question two. Is it gasless? And number three, and this is the most important, and this is where, you know, all of them fail. So there's three ways... There's two ways of of in... Interoperability before wire. There's centralization, like Binance, is a universal mark... Universal exchange, except it's completely centralized, and we don't want that. Number two is every other... Whether it's Chainlink, CCIP, or LayerZero or any interoperability, if you ask them, do you add an additional consensus mechanism onto the transaction? Every single one of them will say yes. Every single one. We haven't found one that does not. So it's... An additional consensus mechanism is like a bridge. Right? Like, you can't tie Ethereum and Solana together. So you are... Because the... They're just incompatible. So some third party company creates a bridge, and that bridge has its own consensus mechanism, and that's always where the exploits happen. That's why, you know, $5,000,000,000 in funds have been exploited in the past few years. It's not it's not the security of Ethereum, and it's not the security of Solana. It's the other thing that always gets popped. So if you ask them, you know, is... Do you add a third party or centralized component, you know, to your workflow? They all say yes. Wire is the only true third option in interoperability, which is we have one, it's universal, two, it's gasless, and three, we pull through the consensus mechanism of all the main chains in a way that we don't have to introduce. Like, you don't have to trust wire. Like, there's no there's no additional consensus mechanism. So it is truly trustless. It's truly decentralized, and it truly covers every type of chain. And that...
[1:03:05] MAR @MARx24x: Ken, just just... So so the five year old who understand like myself, my assets are gonna be in my c... On my wallet. My c... Uh-huh.
[1:03:19] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Right? Yeah. Yeah.
[1:03:21] MAR @MARx24x: Not a share liquidity pool like Universal is doing where I'm trading of a wallet that's almost like being in an exchange also that if they decide to keep the funds, they could move them out and trade them themselves. You get what I'm saying?
[1:03:37] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. No. It is... You're... We're talking about self custody.
[1:03:40] MAR @MARx24x: Right.
[1:03:41] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: This is a a self custody decentralized universal transaction layer. Like, in in every in every sense of the word, like, the ethos of of Bitcoin and of this space, we don't build a product unless we can meet those requirements, and our universal transaction layer does. Like, we we have... There's no way that we can... We or others can come in and and take those funds. And it's it's so good that even if... Because wire... Wires l one is the UTL. Right? Even if Wires UTL, like, crash, like Solana does every once in a while, even if even if our UTL went down, you would just be able... You would still be able to withdraw your assets out of the smart contract. So it is it is completely self custody and trustless in every sense of the word.
[1:04:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. This is wild. Right? So... Cool. You've been awfully quiet. I know that you're always listening to this. Cool's already probably getting all the roles in Discord already. He's probably got, like, tens... 10 threads ready to go on wire. Yaps up the Wazoo. Cool. Chime in on this, bro. What do you make of this?
[1:05:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's like, man, gonna start my stream in twenty minutes. Can't do it.
[1:05:05] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm I'm now... I I gotta say I gotta say, Ken, I'm I'm digging through the white paper now, and you're kind of blowing my mind here. I'm not sure. I... I'm like where Dave is. Like, I'm kind of like... I... I'm... Look. I... I'm a be straight up with you. I'm I'm naturally a skeptic of anything that's new, although I am... I'm pretty willy nilly with my investments over the years with things that are new. I'm always, you know, a little skeptical, and I'm digging through... After listening to you, I'm digging through all of this and and to to the limited extent that I can. And I'm already getting to a point where you're you're blowing my freaking mind because this is stuff that we've talked about for a long, long time. And it's, I mean, I guess seeing is believing. I I just... This is crazy, dude. This is insane. Thanks. How... I mean, you're you're literally taking everything. And and it... I guess maybe maybe this isn't the venue for it, but, like, I'm I'm, I like the technical side of things. So I'm gonna keep digging through this. I just wanna say, like, kudos. This is very, very well thought out, and I'm I'm I'm kinda speechless, I guess. So I'm gonna meet
[1:06:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: him now.
[1:06:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm gonna meet
[1:06:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: him now. Can.
[1:06:33] Kool @koolcryptovc: I don't know
[1:06:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: if you know Landy, but I... You might not be a regular on this show. But for Landy to say that he's speechless, like, the... No. Like, we literally have to, like, fight him to land the plane. We call him land man. Like, Landy, enough. We get it. Land it. So for him to be speechless, I think says a little something that should be the read between the lines moment for everybody out here. Yeah. Holy shit. Bilbo, do you wanna... Yeah. Go ahead, Ken. Sorry.
[1:06:58] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: I was say we just... We think of... Obviously, you can tell that we think about things differently, and and we kinda come from first principles, which is, you know, what's the right way to to, you know, get the proper outcome. And so, like, when you're in... Imagine, like, every... Everybody in blockchain is just taught. Like, when you when you get out of your driveway, the first thing that you have to do is take a left. Right? And everybody in the world just goes, okay. If I wanna be in blockchain, I have to go to my driveway and take a left. And then, like, you know, from from my perspective, it's like, okay. Well, what if what if we just go out and we take three rights? You know? Like, we just look at... We don't look at things for, you know, how they are. We we we look at how can we leverage blockchain and every other... You know, and other protocols and and other technologies to get the outcome what we want. And we've just layered it in properly. It took five years. It it was not easy, and that's why it hasn't been done before. But we got there. And we knew back in 2020, like, the the easier route for us to do would have just have been to put something out there, like, just like everybody else. You know? Do a bridge, create a, you know, create a pitch deck, go go raise money, go issue a token, and and go try to monetize after after a year. But we wouldn't be, like, the actual future proof solution that the industry is gonna use for the next, you know, however long. And we decided, Kyle and I, that we were gonna shoot for the moon. We could fail. Like, we could run out of money. Like, we could not achieve, you know, the technology that that we thought we could, but we were gonna try. And, you know, five years later, we got there, and we're about to release this thing. And it's gonna be wild. It's gonna change the industry. And if you can't tell, like, I... I'm super excited, and I'm just grateful that I can do something that's, you know, meaningful, not just for me, but that can move this industry forward, and it it needs to happen.
[1:09:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Amazing. Cool. I know you came back up really quick, and then we'll go back to something like, cool. Just wanna kinda wanna get your take, like, for everything that you heard. What do make of this? Cool. Don't do me like this, bro. Goddamn it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. It cools cools and travels.
[1:09:25] Kool @koolcryptovc: Landy, go for it.
[1:09:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: You know, I gotta say, Ken sounds just about as excited as I do when I'm, like, you know, make a call. Like, I think Bitcoin's gonna go to a $100,000, and then it gets there. I'm like, yeah. It's at a $100,000. That's how excited I sound all the time. And, Ken, I I know that you say you're excited, but I I respect the level headedness of the excitement. It is... As I'm in the back channels going, are you seeing this? This is nuts. So, yeah, very, big respect to you. I'm gonna read through this documentation and hopefully give Cool a moment to, to get on the microphone here. You there, Cool?
[1:10:05] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm here. I'm here. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I I was listening. Yes. I I heard everything. It's it's very fascinating, man. I've I've... All these jazz in crypto, I've never heard of anything like this before. It's crazy. I think my only my only question is why haven't any other projects figured this out, man? Because this is this is a gold mine that that you guys have over there. So I don't... I was just... It's just weird to me. Like, not weird, but just fascinating. You know, all these years, like, why hasn't any other project or teams or devs come up with something like this? What... I mean, was it difficult to do? He said he said he it took five years, but, it's it's it's groundbreaking. I mean, you you have, a a chain that rules them all, basically, or a chain that has all chains. And one... I mean, is it is it one wallet, like, used for all... For everything? It's self costly too and it's gasless? Holy shit. This is huge, man. Like I said, just sign me up, man. I wanna... I I I wanna I wanna test out the the project. Let me know. I'm ready to go.
[1:11:11] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: I mean, talking to Aaron Aaron McDonald always says interoperability is hard. So you ask why people don't or haven't built this. I feel like it's not for the faint of heart, and it's not like people going after low hanging fruit. So, again, I appreciate wire, everybody on the thing, all of these people that are going the extra mile to build the things that really make a difference for, you know, ultimately all the end users. So much appreciated.
[1:11:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Go ahead, Kent.
[1:11:43] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: I appreciate it. I was gonna say the the reason that no one else has done it is you have to... Well, as a developer, you have to have the right experience. You have to understand traditional finance and everything that's going on over there, And you have to understand, like... You have to go up and down the tech stack and solve problems. Like, you can't just create an l one and say, look. I did it. Like, have we have three different, aspects that we've created to allow this to happen. So number one is we've created an l one chain, and our l one chain is different than all the other l one chains. Like, we're not about store of value. You can't add a token onto wires l one. You can't min an NFT on wires l one. Like, we took it all the way, all... Everything out that didn't matter except, like, a thoroughbred that is able to handle, you know, universal transactions. So if it doesn't do that for us and improve that, like, we got it out of there. Number two is we created... You have to go down and figure out what's true for every type of chain, and it goes all the way down to the key pair. Like, you know, all all blockchains start and addresses start with the key pair. And we... Just like HTTP for the Internet, like, you know, it's standardized data. Like, we standardized blockchain and addressing. So that's an actual protocol in itself. It's called UPAP, universal polymorphic address protocol, and that's that's a component that's gonna tie into the l one. And then you need a decentralized routing protocol that leverages UPAP that... To enable, you know, native interoperability across any blockchain. So you tie those three things together plus plus other little ancillary type mechanisms. And if you don't do it properly, you don't get there. So when you're asking, like, how how... Why somebody hasn't done it, it's not about money. Like, you you could throw a 100,000,000 at this problem if you don't have the right developers with the right background and the right expertise, like, they won't get there. It's a problem that only gets solved if you, you know, if you put all the puzzle pieces in the right order and in the right place, and we were able to figure it out.
[1:14:17] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Also, I assume it's not just solving the problems that are in front of you, but having the vision to see what problems will come in the future as well and being kind of, like, two steps ahead of the game the whole time?
[1:14:33] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. That's that's where I get really excited, and I know maybe my voice doesn't doesn't express that. But we're a... We've been able to iterate on on the universal transaction layer on what can be. And so we're already really... We're we're very far ahead of the competition because everybody else is basing their innovation and premise off a UTL not, like, existing. You know what I mean? So it's like you can't imagine you can't imagine how to how to use or what tools to build or or or what innovation to do if if you don't understand, like, the base layer. We understand the base layer. We built it. And now everything we're doing now is, like... It's like, if you have to live in a world that has cancer, you have to think about, you know, curing cancer or avoiding it. Like, if cancer is cured, you're like, okay. What's what's that world look like? And then you can start, you know, just moving forward from there. And that's, you know, that's what we're able to do. And so there's some key innovations coming out. So much has happened from Denver till now, even from, like, partnerships or personnel. We just had a huge breakthrough, like, a technological breakthrough just in the past few days, based off of, like, inspiration of talking to, you know, really smart people at eThunder. We're like, well, what if we do this in the UTL? Like... And it it actually it actually came to a breakthrough that that we're implementing right now that's just pushing us even further ahead of what the competition is. So really excited to, you know, give this industry what what it needs so that so that we can get where we're going, which is, you know, the true financial system that... That's out ahead of us. And it's gonna be AI related, but it's also gonna be human related. And, you know, we're gonna be a big part of that.
[1:16:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Incredible stuff. You know what? As I'm reading through the timeline, was looking through the news. I saw Alexis Ohenian's making a real bid for for TikTok. Maybe we gotta bring TikTok on chain via wired or or wherever. I mean, some way somehow. That'll be some that'll be some marketing. I bet people will get excited then. That's the... Yo. This is... Ken, this is wild, man. This is really, really cool stuff. I I know that... I mean, I genuinely really wanna do, like, a part two with you where we kinda get to do, like, really simple, easier breakdown stuff because I think it's a lot all at once. So you know how you know how cool was asking, like, about wallets and self custody? Maybe we kinda do kinda like a more of a a segmented breakdown so that people genuinely understand each piece about this entire thing. What do you think?
[1:17:20] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. I'll I'll I'll give you a little taste, though. Like, Wired isn't saying that you have to use a specific wallet to have universal interoperability. We made it reverse compatible. So if you want MetaMask to be your universal wallet... Because I I made this joke actually, at the presentation in Denver. I'm like, if you like the UI of MetaMask and everyone started laughing.
[1:17:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Boo and boo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:17:46] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. But
[1:17:47] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: if if you if you like the... If you want MetaMask to be your universal wallet, like, you can do that or any other wallet that you want. Like, if you want to trade, you know, Cosmos ecosystem assets on... In your MetaMask wallet, you can make that happen or Hedera or or the other ones. So we're not we're not forcing you into, like, a pen where you're like, use use this, you know, bend the knee. It's like, no. You... It's literally a chain agnostic protocol that just, you know, puts this entire industry on steroids and and keeps it secure. And we don't care we don't care where you use it. You use your own wallet. Use our wallet. You know? It... It's it's not gonna matter. Like, the chains are not gonna matter from here on out.
[1:18:37] MAR @MARx24x: Hey, Ken. Real quick. You know what the problem is? Guys, wire has been running a life x space once a week, I think, for, like, the last seven months. But you guys have been too busy with main coins. That's the fucking problem.
[1:18:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. Listen. Mars not wrong.
[1:19:00] MAR @MARx24x: Tell them there, Ken. Tell them that you've been fucking on x spaces every week, man, that I've been there listening to you guys, and I feel like an idiot because I don't even understand 99% of the shit because I'm a five year old when it comes to tech, but I was there. I've been there.
[1:19:15] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. I think I think you told him. I don't think I have to add anything to that one.
[1:19:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's like, you fucking idiots have been trading meme cut. Well, listen. At least the... I hope the majority of our audience, like, kinda get... Got the picture with, like, the post one bashing that I've been doing forever. You know?
[1:19:31] MAR @MARx24x: Dave, I give you I give you credit, man. You got wire in here. I was shocked that you did. It's the first time I think I've seen him on a space that had nothing to do with wire. You know? And so congratulations on that. I got a lot of respect for you that you're going out there. Just not me. You're finding crazy tech, and this tech is fucking crazy. I've been following them for six months and, you know, not financial advice, but I think they're awesome, and they're really gonna be great for the industry.
[1:19:58] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. Stop trading meme coins. Come on. Get it... Get back into the utility.
[1:20:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Seriously, enough with the memes, guys. Like, stop it. Like, let, like, let it die. Like, let it die already. Just let it die. Ken, this was great, man. Seriously. I I I did... So I I really can't thank you enough for for obviously coming through and for for accepting the invitation. I'm hoping we get more of the guys that are in that decentralized AI chat. If you can, we could use your help. I don't know why they're a little bit shy. Like, push them all in here, man. I really wanna get them all on spaces. Multiple of you guys obviously up on stage to see how maybe you guys are working together. I think that could also tie into a lot, like, tie up a lot of loose ends for people to be like, oh, this guy works with this one. They do this. They do this. So, like, the pieces kinda coming together, but this was this was truly incredible, man. So I I really appreciate you coming by, Ken. Thank you.
[1:20:47] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. Of course. Glad I could. I I think I think you just have... It's a it's a time factor. I... Half the people are sick, and the other half are still recovering. So I I think I'll help push more people in, but I think they'll come in naturally as everyone recovers from East Denver. Like, East Denver is always... For some reason, it's always crazier as far as events and everything than every other... Like, even consensus. Like, even consensus doesn't match what Ethan Denver does. It's like I always get so worn out at this event versus... You know, compared to the other ones. So it just take a little time to recover.
[1:21:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. What kind of freaky shit are all of y'all guys getting into? Like, enough. Like, go home. Go to sleep. Like, what are you guys doing? But real real quick. Cool. I'm on your page, bro. What is this thing... This AI that you're using that's rating accounts on who to do what below? You better speak.
[1:21:38] Kool @koolcryptovc: Alright. So so I had... I do have a issue. Alright. I I was... Okay. So I I got this alpha. I don't... You already have man. People send you stuff. I got this alpha from some CK sync dev in some kinda alpha group or something. He's sending this stuff like a couple weeks ago. This is supposed to be next title. Unfortunately, it's a private bidder. I only... I have three I have three invite codes. I already give out two. I have one more left, and I don't know who to give it to. So I'm just kind of figure... Figuring out who to give it to. And plus, you have to have a rating of above a 100. The AI rates your pages. And, you know, so it's... I I just can't give it to anyone after. I individually scan everybody's account, man. And not a lot of people... My my account's, a 109. You need to be be above 50 to test the private beta some sort of something. But it's supposed to be next Kaito. I need one more person. So on on... Unfortunately, Landy's page is a 110. Dave's page is a 109. So I'm like, I I
[1:22:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo, Lenny, what the fuck, bro? Bro. I
[1:22:52] Kool @koolcryptovc: can't pick either of you, man. If I pick one, then I'm kinda picking I'm picking favorites, man.
[1:22:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: I get Yeah. Exactly. Pick me. I am the favorite. That's exactly who you should pick. Me. Fucking guys. You believe this bullshit? Bitcoin's rolling out of their pockets, and he's debating who to pick. So that that... So that's the reason why
[1:23:10] Kool @koolcryptovc: I just... I didn't wanna say anything. But since you asked, I didn't wanna lie. So I'm just telling the truth. I can't push your pages. I can't pick. I I I love you both equally, so I have to find somebody else, man.
[1:23:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: What the hell, bro? People actually watch those thirty five minute fucking YouTube videos? Goddamn cool. I didn't know that.
[1:23:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes.
[1:23:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: I should start watching. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're right. Fair enough.
[1:23:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: They watch they watch that, like, two and a half x speed. That's why. They missed out the context and then DM me about it.
[1:23:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: It it it... It's it's supposed
[1:23:45] Kool @koolcryptovc: to be next Kaito. I don't know what he launches. It's it's it's a a very close alpha, right, whatever. I got lucky whoever sent it to me, whatever. But it's so strange. It scans people's people's Twitter accounts and it rates them. You need to be above 50. And a lot of people I I follow, a lot of them are, like, seven or ones and 20. Like, I've already picked two people. I just have one individual to pick. So I have to scan the comment section today and figure out who I'm gonna send it to. So but I I I looked at you guys. I just don't wanna say anything, but but you you both qualify. I can't pick. But no worries. It's...
[1:24:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: It was like...
[1:24:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: You have determined... We have determined that
[1:24:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: you both are lacking. That's really what No.
[1:24:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: He literally said, you're both overly qualified. Appreciate you, my boys. Neither of you gets it. But... Alright. Yeah. This is what it is. Okay.
[1:24:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: Alright, man. I love it.
[1:24:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: We're double the national average.
[1:24:40] Kool @koolcryptovc: It's it's kinda it's kinda my fault, though, because... Okay. This is what happens. I I I talked to people that I liked online. I give it to them. You know, they they they they they they they've been on my baseball for years. And I said, holy shit. Landy and Dave. Damn. I only have one. What am gonna do? I'm like, you know what? I'm not I'm not gonna say anything. Well, you bring it up, and I'm just being honest, man. But no worries, man. I mean, I'll I'll rather give you none than pick one. So I mean, to be fair, dude, would just call it out.
[1:25:08] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Mandy didn't even know what it was. So
[1:25:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Bill, though. Yeah.
[1:25:14] Kool @koolcryptovc: Speak to
[1:25:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: my lawyer.... Even think that
[1:25:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: he would have scanned either... He would... Me, of all people, but the fact that I have a higher rating than you, Dave, is bonkers. So that...
[1:25:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: What what scared me, Lacey, was when he said you have a 110, and I thought he was gonna tell me, Dave, you have a 32. I was gonna, like, what kind of shit is this? What is this? A shitty ass AI, bro.
[1:25:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Bunk. What kind of bunk AI is this?
[1:25:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I was gonna be like, what? I am not out here on the timeline. I mean, maybe I got a little crazy sometimes, but goddamn. No. But, guys, this is an amazing ATC episode. Guys, cool is gonna start his stream, obviously, in just a minute. You heard here from Wired Network, the universal transaction layer. Guys, cut, like, follow every single person, obviously, up on here. Follow Ken. Follow Wire. We're gonna continue on with this decentralized AI week. Buildo, thank you for coming through. Obviously, man, I know you're sick, I appreciate you obviously chiming in. Landy, appreciate you, Brad. Mister fancy pants back from Breckenridge, Billy Betts, and Mars, great insight today, man. You really added a ton of value. I appreciate you. Thank you, guys, and everybody's... Every... Everybody down there for joining in. Rose, I see you, Prez. NFT verse, Nord. Vincent, what's good, man? What are those? Shout out to the real uncommon podcast. Key Comics was good. Nino, not everybody else. Fried Lavitz, peace. We out.
[1:26:31] Kool @koolcryptovc: Oh, Dave. Dave. Dave. You hear me?
[1:26:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, shit. Yeah. I was dramatic effect.
[1:26:35] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. You didn't talk about the the crypto summits, man, and people got... That got selected. You talk about that?
[1:26:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. What do you mean the crypto some... Oh, like, Michael Saylor going to the White House?
[1:26:44] Kool @koolcryptovc: Saylor, the founder of Chainlink, Brian Armstrong. I I I I didn't... A lot of all the founders are all invited to sit on team with Trump. I just thought quickly cover that real quick before
[1:26:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: I just saw the Van Neck intern complaining on the timeline that he said, we didn't get no invite. I was like, oh, man. They didn't invite Van Neck? Oh, snap. I just I just saw Michael Staley going to the White House. So I was like, okay. This is gonna be good. Anybody else of note that you guys saw that you wanna mention?
[1:27:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, no. I didn't see anybody else.
[1:27:12] Kool @koolcryptovc: But No. It's not. I I saw CEO of Brian Armstrong from Coinbase, and the the founder of Chainlink is going... Michael Saylor. I think a couple of more other people on this list, man.
[1:27:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes.
[1:27:27] Kool @koolcryptovc: It's online. It just came out, like, ten, twenty minutes ago.
[1:27:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: But it... It's not the complete list. There's there's still more that remain, but I I just... The funniest thought entered my mind when I saw Michael Saylor, who's a given, is just, like, he's gonna he's gonna sit up there and be like, there is no second best. There is only one crypto asset. It's Bitcoin. And, like, I just don't wanna... So I get a view, a window into that room, man, because that could be hilarious.
[1:27:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Well, we're Yeah.
[1:27:57] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: So I'm actually trying to work my way into that into that room right now. Like, I have some really... I have people talking to the Trump administration about getting wire in because if we're gonna... Obviously, if if wire network's gonna be the transaction layer for this space, then we should probably, you know, have some input on on the summit. But that... So that's happening. But I'll I'll be in DC no matter what. One of the things that happened at at eight Denver is a guy named chairman John Baudre, who is the, like, the highest official at Miami Dade County, like, for their blockchain division. He flew to Eat Denver to meet with me specifically, and we spent two days together. And he... You know, we're we're gonna be... There's gonna be some announcements coming up about... With wire and and and Miami. But he's also, you know, very connected. He's done some cryptocurrency... Some of the the rules and regulations and laws around crypto, Senator Lumis and others. They're... He... He's involved. So he's he's one of the ones trying to help me get in so that, you know, we can have our our presence known. But even if not, like, I'll be around DC with all the people that you're talking about at the the dinners and and other ancillary events, and we're gonna we're gonna get a lot done while we're there.
[1:29:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love that. Wait a minute. Landy, aren't you in... Where are you... Wait a minute. Landy, where are you right now?
[1:29:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm in Washington DC, sir.
[1:29:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: See. Cool. You see. You see? You're gonna choose this guy over me? He... We didn't even know. He's probably out here lobbying doing the poll work, working the polls. I don't know anymore, bro. You see what I mean?
[1:29:52] Landy @CryptoLandy: You know, it's it's... Obviously, there's there's some things going on later this week. I I, you know, I I don't have any insight into that, but there's reasons for me to be here, obviously. So... And and... Look. There's a lot of crypto people in and around Washington DC right now, and there's a lot of other conversations that are happening. And I think that they're very, very exciting and encouraging. Just, you know, things take time. And that... I just wanna really stress that. It takes time to do things right, and that is where, you know, where we see the market, is right now, trying to figure out, like, what's happening. And why isn't it happening so fast? Where's the announcements? Where... Can't pump my bag? Where's my one second chart? I need it to go to the moon. Look. Thing... Doing things the right way takes time just like building your wealth in this space takes time. So no rush. And I I hope to be able to talk about this kind of stuff someday, but, you know, we need announcements first.
[1:30:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: You see the group chat, Landy? Dee's posting in there, like, me and you putting on body, like, war paint going... Ready to go to war over Cool's invite.
[1:31:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Cool. Just give it to me, bro. Landy will forgive you. It's fine. Just fucking send it, bro. What the hell? Any other bits of news? Guys, go join the Crypto Magic Hour town. I'm gonna put it out again. I'll pin it up... Or rather, I'll put it on my timeline. All you gotta do is go in there, literally fucking pet a beaver once a day, and that's it. Pet a beaver. Yes. I said it. It's a thing. Alright? And town's just turning into a pretty big damn... A pretty damn big thing. So go in there, pet the beaver once a day, have some base seeds. It's literally, like, 10¢ or some shit, and maybe you'll get yourself an allocation. Who knows? But go pet the beaver. Anything else, guys, before we go? I'm... I was, like, really ready to jump out of the plane and cool. I grabbed my parachute. I was like, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. No. No. Don't forget about the white house.
[1:31:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: He's like, yo. Yo. You didn't even you didn't even buckle your parachute, bro. Go on.
[1:32:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's like, yeah. Yo. Yo. It's... You think it's loose. It's like, oh. I was like, yeah. I'm jumping out this motherfucker. No. Okay. We good? Alright. Pepe, I'm sorry. Pepe Pepe latte. I apologize, bro, but we gotta get out. Cool's already live on the stream. We already went ninety minutes. Guys, great show. I'll see everybody tomorrow. Peace.
[1:32:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Don't you do it, Cool?