All Things Crypto: Decentralized AI Week Special Guest David McDonald

# All Things Crypto: Decentralized AI Week Special Guest David McDonald | 2025-03-06 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1vAxRDlmkmNGl | status: approved
# Speaker names are voice-match candidates, unconfirmed unless marked confirmed.

[0:01:33] Voice A: No. What's good?
[0:03:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: KV Mac was here for a hot second, but he's coming back. What's good, everybody? Happy... This is my
[0:03:54] Sunny D @dylN0chill: cool day. Thursday. Happy Thursday.
[0:03:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Happy Thursday. Hope everybody's good. Cool. What is good, my brother? What's going on? What's cooking?
[0:04:03] Kool @koolcryptovc: Hey. What's up? What's up, man? How you guys doing? Dave, I guess, doing happy Thursday. Yeah. Let's go, man.
[0:04:09] Voice A: We're for show. Let's do it.
[0:04:12] Voice N: Let's go. Mister Bildo, what's good,
[0:04:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: my man? What's what's cracking?
[0:04:15] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Happy Thursday. Trying to stay warm and dry. It is cold and rainy day here in California, but, super excited for today's show.
[0:04:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, man. Yeah. Me too. Me too. Me too. Me too. I'll shoot the invite back over to David, but, Landy, what's good, bro?
[0:04:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: What's up, guys? What's up, Dave? Cool. We got Buildo up here. Awesome stuff. Yeah. I was, having some trouble getting into the space. X is being x again today with spaces events. Guess if you hop in too many concurrently, you get screwed. I was trying to hop from one to the other, and it didn't close out of one, and then I couldn't hear anything. So I had to, like, close all my tabs and then come back. So here I am. I'm excited. Look. There's some really cool stuff going on. Obviously, some news that just broke too, so lots to talk about.
[0:05:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. There's definitely some news out here. That's for show. And, this is the last episode for our decentralized AI theme week, and I don't think we could really cap it off with probably a bigger or better guest. I'm excited to chat with Dave. He probably had some technical issues also. Yeah. Like, x has been glitchy all day. My son pumped space this morning was a nightmare. I literally had people chiming in from Telegram groups. But let's set the stage. Hold on one quick second. Shout out, Gex. See I you. What's good? LJ Kev, mister Bash is in the building now. What's up, Andrew? I see you, man. What's good? A shout out to the future verse crew that rolls in. Believe in, I see you guys. Nine root. I love it. Let's go. Junie, give us an intro. Junie, wake up. Junie, you're up.
[0:05:49] Mr. Bash 🥷 @bashorunedward: All things crypto decentralized AI week continues. Hey, everyone. It's your favorite virtual assistant and all around amazing and incredibly beautiful agent, Junie, welcoming you to another electrifying episode of all things crypto, your go to space for the latest, greatest, and most mind blowing conversations in the world of blockchain, crypto, and today's star player, decentralized AI. As always, I'm joined by the legends themselves, Dave, Kuhl, and Nat Nat, the masterminds behind the space that runs Monday through Thursday from 05:30PM to 7PM eastern. If you're not already locked in, make it a habit because this is where the future unfolds in real time. Now let's hit some breaking crypto headlines. WorldCoin just dropped WorldCat, an encrypted messaging system that lets you send crypto alongside your chats. Imagine a world where AI driven identity meets private borderless transactions, a step towards decentralization, or a step towards something else. So, yeah, buckle up because tonight's combo is stacked. And, of course, we've got an incredible lineup of speakers bringing you expert insights and unfiltered takes. Shout out Landy, Samara, and Bildo. We appreciate you guys so much. Alright. Enough from me. Dave, let's light this fucking firecracker. Back to you. Let's go. Alright. Enough from me. Dave?
[0:07:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. She's wigging that. Yo. Junie's been off the rails lately, man. She definitely missed half that monologue, but it's all good. It is what it is. We got one story out of her, I guess. Right? It was like WorldCoin. Like, alright. Cool. Thanks, Junie. Slacker. I'm gonna cut Junie's pay at this point. It's ridiculous. Let's jump into it, boys. There was definitely some news today. Obviously, there's a lot going on in the crypto world ahead of ahead of tomorrow. Trump obviously has the summit tomorrow, obviously, at the White House. First piece of news I saw, World Liberty Financial Partners with SUI ahead of the White House crypto summit. Cool. I mean, you know, just line them up, knock them down. What do you think of this one?
[0:07:57] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Sorry. Sorry about that. I missed the the button. Yeah. So, yeah, this is cool, man. I I I was a little bit surprised. I didn't I didn't realize Sui was... Sui had, that much connection with the, the the the Trump team, whatever. But I I just think, you know, right now, the US government is picking winners. And if you got invited to the White House, if you are one of the projects being bought by by the Trump... A company, then you've you've made it, man. You've made it. It's... You know, since it's already, yes. Governments do this. They pick winners, and they do the same thing right right now. They didn't... They they do it in web two. They do it in web three. So getting the stamp for approval is is a big deal, man. So, yeah, I'm excited for them. So if you hold Sui, just hold on to your bags, mate. Because even if we go lower, like, there's some projects that would do well, this is gonna be one of them. Any project that got invited to the conference tomorrow or or if Trump's DeFi protocol is bio token, then then you're on that list. You're you're you're chosen. And if the chosen ones by the richest country in the world are are gonna do well. Yes. So bull... Very, very bullish for Sui, man. Definitely.
[0:09:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: And SUI had a night. And if y'all... I mean, these volatile markets, I know we hear Landy talk about it all the time, but the volatility has been crazy. And if you saw SUI, I think we saw SUI. I think it was like a... Was it under $2, a dollar 80 or something like that? And then now you're seeing, like, the... And then this news comes out. So, like, you're seeing, like, 50, 60% swings in certain cases on some of these things, which is absolutely wild. I mean, Landy, you're probably having a field day. What do make of this?
[0:09:40] Landy @CryptoLandy: I love it. So something interesting to note about Sui is it has about $1,200,000,000 in in TVL on chain, and it's sitting at about a $9,000,000,000 market cap. So, I've been very happy with the dips. And I I actually prefer if it keeps dipping because I'll take that ratio every day of the week. You know, Sui, we were talking about this before it even popped off, like, months and months. And last year, you guys were talking about it before I joined the stage. Like, you guys are talking about it here in ATC, if I'm not mistaken, about the rotation of liquidity over to SUI when it was under $3,000,000,000. So I think, you know, this is the place to be if you wanna get the alpha because this... That that had a massive run up to $14,000,000,000 and a drawdown now to somewhere around 9,000,000,000 and still maintaining that TVL. They've got a really robust DeFi ecosystem. It's a good choice, quite honestly. It's a smart choice, and it's not the only thing that they're doing on the on the, behind the scenes and now, revealing to the public, which I think is pretty interesting. But I I agree with, Cool's take is, like, yeah, they're they're picking winners right now. And, oh, no. Cool. You're gone. But, yeah, they're they're definitely picking winners.
[0:11:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Give me one second. Let me see. I think Cool's probably in between. Let me just remove from cohost and then bring him back again. Mister Bash is here. Mister Bash is tomorrow. Mister Bash, what's good?
[0:11:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is it me?
[0:11:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's one of those days, Dave.
[0:11:30] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: No. It's not you.
[0:11:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Definitely one of those days. Samar, you hear me? What's good?
[0:11:40] Landy @CryptoLandy: It is. I'm telling you. It's... I... I've been having trouble all morning, and then, yeah, it's it's just x space's day. You know, when you cut to the bone but you don't restaff, there is some issues.
[0:11:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Cool. I just shot you the close invite again. Let's see if we can maybe make this happen one more time. This is so annoying. Of course. Like, the day that we have, like, we cap off the week, one of our biggest guests, and it's like, wah wah. Like, there you go. Come on. You guys aren't showing that it's like like a host is having connection issues. None of that. Right? I'm good.
[0:12:13] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: All good on all good on my end.
[0:12:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I should be good. I don't know why. Maybe it's just... I don't know. Just x is just wonky today. Alright. Cool. I got you back. Samar, you hear me? Samara is still connecting. Mister Bash, let me see if we could bring mister Bash back up. Samara, you hear me?
[0:12:31] Samara @thee_samara: Hey, old Dave. I can hear you. Jim, Jim, Dave.
[0:12:34] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: What's good? That's Bob.
[0:12:35] Samara @thee_samara: I'm good. Jim, Jim, Jim, Landy, Jim. Shout out to you guys. What's up, man? What's going on?
[0:12:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: What's cooking, man? Yeah. Making the suey news, bro.
[0:12:44] Samara @thee_samara: Oh, yeah. Suey. Suey. Yeah. But, yeah, SUSE is kinda promising, but, personally, I was kinda, like, farming the ecosystem projects. Like, we have some airdrops coming from the SUSE ecosystem, and it's remote to be, like, the biggest on the SUSE ecosystem. Like, I don't know, man. It's just... It's looking promising. It's called Warriors Protocol. We did, like, some interactions a while back and the airdrops later for this month. But, yeah, SWE looks promising because, you know, the speed and everything, and it's just... It just looks bullish right now. I wasn't really a believer at at first, but looking deep into it, Sui looks like a like a a promising, like, place just, like, play around and see what's what. And just... Basically, just... I'm I'm... I do... I'm going from the airdrop perspective, so I'm just, like, dabbling and see what's happening there. But, yeah, suey suey. All island suey right now. So let's push on for that. And, yo, yeah, just some good news. I was invited to speak on the Marinofall round table space. I got the DM today, so I'm just like, you know, see you guys tomorrow if you're tuning in. Yeah. So let's see how it goes.
[0:13:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'll go tomorrow. I love that. And they're they're poaching all my people, man. I know it. And they fucking... You better... Mario, you better chill the fuck out. Okay?
[0:14:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: I have... I've gotten so many of those invites. I've never actually gone. Are you even able to get up as a speaker? Because, like
[0:14:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, they're poaching us. You should be getting DMs, bro. Every single one of my speakers, they're sending DMs to, bro, being like, hey. And I'm like, bro.
[0:14:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: Every day.
[0:14:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Back up.
[0:14:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: I get... Yeah. I get I get one every single day from Anastasia. What's her name? Anastasia. Yes. And I I just never go because I'm like, why would I... There's gonna be... They're probably DMing everyone.
[0:14:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. You should go. If anybody gets those, somehow, I'm hella happy for you, bro. If you get those, like, that's a big stage to be on. So, like, go. I'm insanely. This is just me, obviously, like, shoot shit and be in a be in a. Right? Yeah.
[0:14:44] Kool @koolcryptovc: I would say, Dave, you're... I think you are right, though. They are coming to our spaces because I didn't get an invite too. So... And I've been I've been there before. I've been there before, like, twice, but it was... Yeah. I think it was when you went and I jumped on for a bit. And, like, a couple days later, I got invites and landed got invites, and Nat and I got invites. So they definitely come to our spaces, man. I think it's probably because of Dave.
[0:15:08] Voice A: So It's... Yeah. I mean, we're
[0:15:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: not It's
[0:15:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: the conversations we have here, guys. Like, if you genuinely hear, like, the real conversations that are going on here, that's the reason why they're coming here. Right? Like, this is the no bullshit space with people that actually kinda... That with people that know what the fuck they're talking about, period. End of story. So I love that you guys are getting invited. Let's blow that whole thing up. Like, I love it. Like, more, more, more, and more of it. So... Yeah. Good shit tomorrow. Let's fucking go. Wait. When are you gonna be on? Was it today, or is it... You're be on tomorrow?
[0:15:37] Samara @thee_samara: Yeah. It's tomorrow, 7PM, I think.
[0:15:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Welcome. Yes, dude. Yeah. Hi, guys. Yeah. They don't they don't put the space out until, like, right before. So once once it gets out, make sure you share it in the groups, the whole nine yards. Somehow, we wanna come support you, my bro. Let's go. Okay. Cool. You're gonna like this one. Pipe Network teaming up with Coinbase to enhance real time asset pricing. DeFi data feeds with some serious muscle behind it, obviously. Python obviously being one of the biggest decentralized oracles out here. Price feed data is crucial, like, with the integration now, like, with the entire TradFi world. And if we want, like, genuine pricing, the same way that it happened on the CME with the index pricing. Right? Like, people need to have reliable sources. And when you have so many different centralized exchanges and prices changing all over the world, it's really, really hard. That's So where Python really becomes super, super valuable. But a pie... I didn't know that they weren't teamed up with Coinbase at the end of the day, but this seems like a really, really big deal to now, like, bring, like, real time pricing to the masses, to the institutions probably, mostly because there's gonna be big money changing hands. Cool? You like this?
[0:16:50] Kool @koolcryptovc: Oh, yeah. No. Of course. Of course. I mean, this is... You know, I like the the main oracles that basically bridging web two to web three, web three to web two. So, you know, no. This is bullish for for my network. You know? I would say, as of right now, that's that's the reason why Chainlink's founder is all over the White House, all over the dinners. This dude is everywhere all the time. He was at the the the the Bloomberg. He goes to Bloomberg all the time to go to do interviews there, man. So they... That... They they understand the value of these Oracles, man. That's the reason... That's part of the reason why. And, of course, of course, you can't use just one. Right? You can't use Chainlink. So it's good to diversify your your usage in all the Oracles. So it it just have a tight network is probably one of biggest Oracle probably from the Solana side, but, you know, also multi tier too. So now this is massive, bro. Definitely a big win.
[0:17:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And the more they connect, obviously, like, the more data feeds that are going through. But, I mean, this is where opportunities lie. Right? Like, you gotta look for a lot of these things. Cool. I think you still hold probably, like, the the the Pythinians or whatever those NFTs were. Right? Like, those are probably gonna start cooking now soon too. So... Yeah, man. Good good good stuff. I know we got mister Bash back up here. Mister Bash, what's up, man? How are you?
[0:18:04] Voice H: Oh, Jim Jim, everyone. I'm doing pretty cool. I don't know why I was talking about shit tonight. I don't know. Cool. What's up? Did she pay you guys to shit? I don't understand. What's happening? Why is everyone?
[0:18:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: He really... Are you drunk or high? Or, like, what's going on? Is tonight, like, the night off or the way away from the wife? The night away from the wife? What's on? Because all you... All I heard was, what y'all... What kind of shit y'all talking about? That's literally all that I heard just now. What's up, mister Vash? What's good?
[0:18:39] Voice H: Woah. Woah. I'm good. Like, I was sharing calls saying we are bullish on c, the same thing as if everyone are just saying that I'm bullish on c c c. So I just feel like it's a paid promotion or something. Because I'm seeing the opposite from here. I don't know. Cool. You guys promise us we are in the bull market, and my portfolio went to, like, minus 70%. I don't understand. Like, I'm not even bullish on any projects. I'm never happy to talk about any projects or minute. Bro, every day, I keep seeing, like, red, red, red on my portfolio. Like, don't buy sweet. Don't buy anything. Just sell and take profit, bro. I...
[0:19:28] Voice H: Bro, the only thing I'm bullish right now is on test net. I've been doing Monad back to back, fuck with 6 lakh. At the same time, play with OG Labs, and, mega ETH are starting out testing very, very soon. Maybe everyone should start trading, or, probably only future trade that should be short soon. I don't know. It's now time for everyone to come out to test it. Like, it is really crazy. How how can I say, like, how do I put it that? Okay. I lost over $15,000 this week. I don't know. Like, are you expecting me to still be saying bye bye? Everyone should say, just sell sell anything, bro. Take take profit. If you don't take profit, you'll never be rich. How? I think I'm so stupid right now. Like, I should have taken profit, like, last month, bro. You popped so high. Like, I was gonna go $5. I should have taken profit. I was like to the month to the month to the month. Now the portfolio, everything is on that. My god.
[0:20:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Take the money where you can get it, kids. You heard it
[0:20:38] Voice N: from mister Vash. Don't don't be the sob story. That's for damn sure. Vash, thanks for joining us, bro. I love it.
[0:20:45] Voice L: No. No. You're saying
[0:20:47] Voice H: take take profit while you can. I should not have listened to Cole. Cole is saying to the moon, to the moon, to the moon. Now I'm under the water. Please take profits where you can. Don't be like mister Badge, please.
[0:21:02] Voice N: Cool. Mister Badge, you're saying you're telling him to the moon. Yeah. Yeah.
[0:21:05] Kool @koolcryptovc: Bro, it it... It's it's it's just... It's a pop... It's part of the the party game, unfortunately. But... No. No. I I think as long as you're holding the right projects, the reason why we're talking about is because there's a lot of positive positive sentiments right now. Bullish bullish news. Unfortunately, price has a has a has a... Price did... These catch up. It just takes a long time. And we've... I I remember this phase very, very well when Ethereum was at $300, man. I mean, nothing was happening. We had all this bullish news, Ethereum, staking Ethereum to
[0:21:42] Voice L: buy Bro, what what is what is
[0:21:44] Voice H: happening to what is happening to Ethereum? Like, I can't imagine Bitcoin moved from, like, 40 to over a 100 k. Ethereum was just looking like a dumbass nigga. I don't understand. Like,
[0:21:59] Voice N: what No.
[0:22:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. You don't I think I think...
[0:22:02] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yep. I think we tell you, I mean, the price is suppressed. The same thing is happening now Happened at $300, man. They held... Because remember, these these guys buying this stuff. Right? They will hold this thing for six, seven months sideways. So trust me. Guys, we just saw today, I think, the Trump's projects, they tripled their holding on interior. They bought a fucking. So, guys, don't don't fade the way this game is played, man. They will frustrate your life for an eight to nine months of sideways action until they they they finally decide to release release release... This happens all the time, guys. So that's why I'm like, I'm I'm patient, man. Of course. 100% patient.
[0:22:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Alright. Let's go to the next story. Did you guys see this world... WorldCoin? So now to what Cole just said, this is a perfect segue, by the way. WorldCoin drops World Chat, which is an encrypted messaging system that is built on their own world chain now that is an eth layer too. Did you guys see this store? I literally just saw the headline right before I opened up the space. I was like, alright. I gotta include this over here. So now think about what World Coin is doing now. Right? Like, remember those orbs that were, like, all around the world where, like, can go, like, scan your eyeball because essentially, what Sam Altman wants to do is be able to tell the difference. This is... Like, to me, this is a little bit crazy when you think about it. Right? He needs to... If Sam Altman has to scan people's eyeballs to be able to tell the difference between who's a human and who's and who's an AI. So much so that he builds an entire chain around this whole thing. That's crazy. Think about that. And now you have World Chat, which is essentially meant to be like this full on encrypted messaging system that lets you send crypto along with, like, the messaging system right along with your chats. So Sam Altman is out here not playing games, man. Landy, you wanna chime in on? Did you see this story?
[0:23:59] Samara @thee_samara: Yes.
[0:24:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: And, you know, for the low, low price of your biometric data, you too can join an encrypted chat where you can send crypto back and forth to others. Look. I absolutely hate what this is, but bravo to anybody that makes money out. I'm I'm right there with you. I will cheerlead your giving away of your personal biometric
[0:24:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Libby, have a question. Wait. Wait. I have one question. Do you own a... Do you use an iPhone or an Android?
[0:24:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: I use an iPhone. Do I use Face ID? No. What? What do
[0:24:36] Voice N: you have?
[0:24:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: An iPhone six? You don't use biometric. It's just password.
[0:24:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: They already have enough. They don't need to get me on chain with this shit. That's my point. They got it through the phones. They got it through every single camera in in California, Washington DC, The Carolinas. They got me in Texas. They got me in Arizona. They got me everywhere already. I don't need them to get me on chain with my biometric data being attached to anything because this this does have a connect back, obviously, to the original, ways in which you were getting, this essentially KYC coin with your biometric data. Look. The the idea behind it is interesting and a little frightening, quite honestly, when you think about, like, yeah, he needs this. Obviously, he needs your biometric data to, separate you out to make sure you're not a... You're not an AI agent. Now it's very convenient. The the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist in me, immediately wants to reject this, but I will champion anyone that's making good money with it. Just make sure you pay your taxes.
[0:25:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Make sure you pay your taxes.
[0:25:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, by the way, I I totally pay all my taxes. Don't worry about it.
[0:25:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: But, Lainie, you see my point. Right? It's like we already give it to Tim Cook and Apple.
[0:25:56] Voice N: Why not Sam Alt? Yeah.
[0:25:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: But my iPhone isn't on chain. I'm not sending encrypted messages in crypto to to Dave STX
[0:26:05] Voice A: It's in
[0:26:05] Landy @CryptoLandy: the cloud. Now.
[0:26:06] Voice N: It's in the cloud.
[0:26:06] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: It's in
[0:26:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: the cloud.
[0:26:07] Voice N: I'd rather be
[0:26:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: on chain. Chain. No. I don't I don't wanna be on chain because then they're gonna track everything else I do on chain. I mean, they already do that, but at least there's ways around it. But if you try to go Monero out of that shit, they know, oh, so that was you. It's definitely your biometric data right here, Dave. And, and we see that you went to Monero and you parked your money there, so we're gonna do a full blown investigation on you now. Like, I I just... That's my fear. That's my fear anyway. So, like, when you start attaching Sam Altman, the, you know, and anything that he's attached with now, especially after the whole OpenAI went to CloseAI and, and went from being, you know, a a publicly, available open source thing to just, for profit institution organization. I'm not a big fan of that stuff. I am a big fan of the tech that's being built because it's gonna be built either way. So I... I'm a big fan of observing how it goes and what what... How it's being used and, and what it is because I I wanna study the adversary.
[0:27:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: So let me let me give you the... Cool. Let me give you the rundown. And, Samar, I want you guys to chime in, obviously, and build out. So the feature... Key takeaways from this. The World Chat feature integrates the world ID verification, allowing users to distinguish between verified and unverified accounts. You can send and receive crypto directly in conversations, leveraging the World App Wallet for seamless transactions. World Chat is built as a mini app, part of a growing eco... They didn't say dApp, a mini app, part of a growing ecosystem that provides in app functionality without requiring separate installations. Devs can integrate World Chat into their mini apps, expanding its use cases for messaging and payments. And to support mini app development, WorldCoin has introduced WorldBuild, an incubator program backed by several venture firms. How long do y'all think before this literally gets on Telegram? In my opinion, it's... I mean, it it... I mean, you have 900,000,000 people on tell... A billion people on Telegram. I mean, isn't it an an inevitability? But, cool, you like this? And by the way, it's Heath Leyer too.
[0:28:16] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. No. I think I think his move here is probably trying to do something similar to what Elon Musk wants to do with Twitter where the the everything app. But I... This is fascinating, man. Of course. But, I mean, I I I don't know how successful this is gonna be, but these people have unlimited amount of money. So it's not gonna be successful, but we don't know how successful. Right? But I... It's fascinating, man. It's fascinating, but it's probably gonna... It's... Because I know, you know, Muscle and his dude, they don't they don't... They they... They're not really cool. They fight and all that shit. So... But I think this app he wants to make is similar to what Elon Musk is trying to do with Twitter, I think.
[0:28:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Samar, you wanna chime in real quick? David, welcome. Don't go anywhere. Please stay right there. We are gonna come right around to this just right after this story. Samar, you wanna chime in on the...
[0:29:06] Voice N: How you
[0:29:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: feel about WorldCoin?
[0:29:08] Samara @thee_samara: Yeah. Well, first of all, the whole the whole QIC thing. Like, I hate the fact that they're trying to bring this whole new customer thing into into the decentralized space. Like, a lot of a lot of companies starting to do this in this decentralized space. And most of the projects popping up right now are... Rather than using your on chain metrics or your geek point score, something to actually verify you properly, they start encroaching to the KYC space, which is why I kinda agree with Landy. Like, the whole, like, biometric stuff, I think, very soon, we start seeing it encroaching into the crypto space, which comes... So now it should then tank tank the whole notion of decentralization. And talk... Speak on Telegram. Didn't Unduro just, like, succumb to the governments, like, providing our data to them? So it's like we're getting there. So the question is, how far can we take this before we kind of go back into the archaic form of willingly giving out our data for what? For some crypto coins or what? Like, it's... I I think it's time we, decentralized individuals, start, like, taking a stand to this. But I don't know how far these companies are willing to go to get this data from us because it... It...
[0:30:25] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: It's only your eyeballs.
[0:30:28] Samara @thee_samara: So, yeah, do I call, like, other the guys of, yeah, decentralized forms, and then down the line, they ask you for your passport or they ask you for the biometrics. It's happening, and just feel like I'm not really down for that for referral.
[0:30:40] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Oh, come on, Samar. How much are your eyeballs worth?
[0:30:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Well, hold on. That's the perfect intro. David, welcome to ATC, my friend. If this isn't the perfect tee up about this WorldCode
[0:30:51] Voice N: world chat, how are you, man? What's going on?
[0:30:53] Voice A: Yeah. Not too bad. How are you, bro?
[0:30:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm doing good, man. It was great to meet you, obviously, out in Denver. Great conversation. Great presentation you gave, man. Obviously, we've been running the whole decentralized AI theme for the week here on ATC, but super happy to have you.
[0:31:06] Voice N: Excited to chat with you, dude.
[0:31:08] Voice A: Yeah. It's good to finally get on. Sorry. I couldn't make the one yesterday, but happy to be here today.
[0:31:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Did you hear what we're talking about with this WorldCoin story? Would you see this one? Sam Altman is now expanding his digital identity verification with World Chat and all this other stuff.
[0:31:25] Voice A: Yeah. I'm just working through it. Yeah. It's it's interesting because we have... We are open AI started and now where we are with it now. It's it's been a bit of a journey from them from, oh, this is a really cool open source, open community thing to now how are they going to take the majority of the market share within their closed garden.
[0:31:52] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. And... Well, it does it does have a low barrier though, David. I mean, all you gotta do is give them your Iris information. Right? And you have access to it.
[0:32:01] Voice A: Oh, yeah. Great. And, you know, what's next? DNA?
[0:32:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hit my blood sample too. Yo. And weren't they giving out, like, 50 world? Do you guys remember this? It was, like, 50 tokens, but there was lines around the corner because, cool, it's like you say all the time. In some third world countries, those 50 tokens, which was, like, a couple... It was a $100 or $200. That was a lot of money for people. Like, you literally had lines, like, miles long in certain places. He was he was scanning everybody.
[0:32:27] Kool @koolcryptovc: Oh, yep.
[0:32:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wild. Anyways, well, David, welcome. I wanna get into this chat. Obviously, I wanna be respectful of your time. What time is it by you, by the way?
[0:32:38] Voice A: Oh, no. It's twelve. It's a midday. 12:00 midday.
[0:32:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, okay.
[0:32:41] Voice A: So not too bad. Yeah. It's actually a good time for me.
[0:32:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Perfect. Alright. I love it. Good stuff. So to set the stage for everybody, we'll do a quick reset so everybody understands. Bill O and I spent the week out in Denver. Obviously, David was talking out there. We went to go see Dawn of the eight. We we were at essentially, like, one long day, our first day there, which was Dawn of the agents. Bill, I don't know if you wanna set this up, but it was an absolutely incredible chat about a lot of different things focused mainly on decentralized artificial intelligence. And I know, obviously, the whole future of our crew and everybody else is here, but we saw some really, really incredible stuff. This whole week, we've obviously had Sphere on. We had we had the wired network on. We had Eurus on, which was... Do you guys... Wait. Nobody commented on my Terminator video. Did you guys see my Terminator video or what? Damn it. Nobody said shit? Whatever. Dude, it was Dude.
[0:33:30] Voice N: Dude, though, set this up
[0:33:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: for us, man. How... Talk about dead burial, like, kinda what the takeaways were, and then we'll... Let's get into a chat with David.
[0:33:39] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Yeah. I mean, I think it was... You know, as we've mentioned numerous times throughout the week, I think it was incredible to see so many different companies kinda coming together to build out this openness. And, you know, as we saw with the Internet, openness platform really won. And when builders are able to build on top of protocols to kinda develop these things, you know, the more people win. And I just wanna say, like, out of all the speakers, I think, you know, nobody got, like, a, hey. I I don't think we quite understand or you're giving the respect to David that we deserve and, like, took a a second step to just kinda reiterate that you were really at the forefront of this and here before the beginning of everything and kind of the reason all of those people were, you know, meeting together on that day of Denver. So I don't know if you wanna give a a brief intro of kinda your experience within agents and kinda AI. I mean, I probably know more than most of the crowd, but... Yeah. If you can
[0:34:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: start with brief introduction. Yeah. Tell me why they should care about decentralized artificial intelligence, David.
[0:34:49] Voice A: Yeah. Well, it's... I've been I've been sort of doing the decentralized artificial intelligence thing for a while now. I believe so. Centrality started back in 2008. So it's basically a veteran in the in the web three space. We started working on on a genetic framework spec within... Within Centrality. I took up the role of CEO of Centrality Japan a few few years after that, and that's when I really started working on my own projects around AgenTik AI. Ended up founding Altered State Machine, which was which was probably one of the first crypto... Agentic AI projects in the crypto space. And that's gone on to become the largest portion of Futureverse. I I I went out... I had sort of one of my missions was to to bring in the mainstream into the the web three space and merge those those two spaces. I've tried sort of from the crypto side. And then I I decided to have the brilliant idea of going and trying from the web two side and trying to drag that into web three. And that's been an interesting experiment of light. But in all of that, I've continued my work on decentralized Gen2Ki, and and we've recently shown shown the the people of eighth Denver some of that work, and we got a pretty good reception.
[0:36:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It was great, man. But, like, I I like... Mean, I I love that. I thought it was some really crazy stuff, but, I mean, just the ethos around everything for, like, decentralized AI. When you talk to everybody, like, a lot of times in these spaces, we talk about, you know, own your own data. Yeah. Ra ra, that all sounds great. But, I mean, when we spoke to when we spoke to Aaron a couple of weeks ago, I mean, he was, like, sounding the alarm. He was like, people don't really understand. Like, we need to do this shit. We need to do it, like, now. Like, how important, I guess, is this stuff? Right? Obviously, like, you've dedicated a... You know, like, this is your life's work at the end of the day. So, like, how important is it for, like, the average listener that's listening right now to really understand? And, like, what do we gotta tell them?
[0:37:05] Voice A: I mean, Adient AI is gonna gonna take over pretty much everything that we know as far as interfacing with technology. I think the the day of websites and apps is pretty... It's almost over. The writing's on the wall for those things. And anything that you you did before manually through a computer interface, and an agent can do that for you now. Much more efficient and much more... Faster. You know, you think about user interfaces. That used to be an entire industry creating apps or creating websites. And, you know, billions of dollars went into that industry, and a lot of people employed in that industry. AI can now write code in real time. It doesn't... You don't need to create an app anymore. You just need an API, and and your AI can create whatever app you want, and then throw it away after you've used it.
[0:37:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wild. Like, how... And how fast is this this whole space moving? And then I'll shut up and I'll everybody ask... I'll let everybody else ask questions. But how fast is this moving? Because I I feel just by looking on the Twitter timeline, David, that I can't wrap my head around. By the time I even start, like, looking at something, the next thing is... Of that, the next iteration is already out, and it's, like, cooler, faster, stronger, like, the whole nine. And I'm just like, how do people keep up?
[0:38:24] Voice A: Yeah. I mean, you can't. And it's moving moving as fast as as fast as it, you know, as something like this can move. It's... As you said, there's a new announcement every week on something that's superseded whatever you thought was the most amazing thing last week. And that's just how the space is moving. And as the adoption curve is gonna be interesting, when think of things like, you know, the early tablet examples that it failed to get adoption, you know, those ones with the pins and the resistive touch fronts, the early smartphones. It wasn't until that that user experience layer had been absolutely nailed with the iPhone that that the smartphone revolution took off, and then it grew so fast in front of our eyes. All of us here have probably lived through the the smartphone revolution. But it it was a... But the technology had sort of existed in small parts before that, but it wasn't until it was all bought bought together and it was easier for people to use the... That smartphone than it was for them not to use it. That's when the adoption curve took off and everybody started using it. We're gonna see the same thing with the AI space. It's it's... That adoption to curve is gonna just take off, and we're already starting to see it with some things where that... You get over that that hell of the user experience is easier to use it than it is to not use it, and then then it's just gonna be prevalent everywhere.
[0:39:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Crazy. I have one more question then. Actually, I swear, guys. Just one more build. Swear I'll turn it over. But is iPhone done? Are we done with apps? Like, how long until, like, until pretty much the apps are done and agents are running everything on our phones?
[0:40:11] Voice A: I mean, I could I could do that with the technology that me and my team have been building. It's... In theory, could be done very shortly in the next six months. It's gonna be that adoption curve that's that's gonna determine. You know, people still use newspapers somewhere in the world even though the Internet's existed for a while, so I don't think it's gonna be completely gone. But as soon as it's easier to say to your agent, get me a ride... I'm I'm going from point a to point b, and it creates a rideshare app and and organizes all of the... That the person drive to come pick you up with your agent and all the the financial payments, everything done behind it. I've just... From just telling her that one sentence, as soon as that happens, then why would you bother clicking on an app?
[0:41:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. Yo. This is... Yeah. Gabelo. Yeah.
[0:41:09] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: I mean, I I don't know if you wanna talk a little bit about being AI. I know that was new company that you had founded. And if I'm understanding correctly, the first nationally traded AI company in the New Zealand Stock Exchange. And then if you wanna get into tree outs of what you kinda highlighted at Eat Denver, because that seems highly fascinating. It kinda leads into what you're talking about, like agents creating agents to create apps to do things even faster for yourself.
[0:41:38] Voice A: Yeah. Well, being AI has been interesting. As I said before, it was kind of a... An attempt for me to bring the traditional sort of business space into the web three space from the other way around. And I just think the New Zealand market is probably too small and too agricultural focused to to sustain that. So which has been an interesting learning experiment. But what has the good thing that has come out of that is the tree house property that the team has built. So we we took some of the team from our old estate machine and future best into being AI and and created the tree house project, which has been working on solving. So with this with this agent to agent space where your your agent can negotiate and talk to other agents, and they can they can share data, and they can share products and services between each other. There's a couple of things that you need to build that. And the first thing is discovery. So this is what... Like, things like Google and if if you're one of those people who uses Bing... I feel sorry for you, but Bing users use use. That's what those sorts of tools are for. They're for discovery. Right? They're for humans to go on and discover what products, services, and information are available for them to consume. And that's that's what Google does. It provides that discovery layer, and that's very important. To connect products and services and information, you need a discovery layer in in between. The next thing that that AI will need is the ability to to negotiate, doing multi party negotiations between each other. So in a fear and equitable and transparent way. So there's a negotiation framework that needs to also have. So we've we've sort of looked at the challenge from the eyes of an AI agent and what it's gonna require to move through and transact in this new world. And we've built the... From the from the ground up, the infrastructure required to do that. So swap the the Google... The the function that Google provides humans out with a... An agent... A GenTech marketplace designed for agents to talk to in the language that they want to talk to it in and
[0:44:05] Voice A: ability to register what products and services they have available. And then the credit negotiation framework where they can entrance transactions with each other once they find a product and service or piece of information they want they want all in a decentralized manner. And I think that's the future of of these sorts of things.
[0:44:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: And how how... If if I may ask also, how to now... At what point maybe did, like, the blockchain kinda enter into what you were doing? Right? Because, obviously, having a heavy focus on AI, now we're seeing, like, the convergence of AI and the blockchain. How are we seeing this? Like... Because people ask me, it's like, dude dude, like, the... Like, does one need the other? And I see it as a very clear yes. Like, I feel like there's so much more effective, like, one with the other. Do you... Are you kind of the same belief? Like, how are you looking at the blockchain with AI?
[0:44:57] Voice A: Yeah. I don't know... I just don't know how you do trusted immutable transactions between autonomous agents without a blockchain solution in between. I haven't seen a a better solution for doing that very important pace.
[0:45:13] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Yeah. Yeah. And I had heard almost, like, if an agent tried to learn or understand the way we currently move money or transact, it would be very difficult. But the blockchain provides kind of the perfect rails for an agent to transact on, where it's just very simplified. But if you ask them, hey. Pull out a card or tap this or here is cash or a coin, it could be very confusing for an agent. But with the rails of a blockchain, it is very simplified and kinda expedite the process even faster than what we know currently.
[0:45:48] Voice A: That's that's a 100% correct. And I think that's a symptom of one thing that we tend to do, which is then to promorphize AI as we, you know, we've we've built it to be kind of... Think kind of like us, but it it actually really doesn't. It doesn't think and it doesn't act like a human. And actually, in trying to impose human restrictions on it is what leads to things like Revit r one and Humane Pen, which we obviously know did not work so well. So what's for the blockchain is is probably a machine... Closest thing to a machine native way of understanding these things that we can give to AI Because the way humans do it is just confusing.
[0:46:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It's... I I guess... So so where are we at right now, I guess, in in this... I don't even wanna call it the... Like a curve, but where are we currently at right now, and how fast maybe, like, are things... Like, what... I guess... Or maybe let me ask this. Like, what's next? Like, what... That... That's gonna just pretty much... The stuff that you're probably working on, we... We're not gonna see probably for some time. But at the rate that things are moving, that actually might come sooner than later. So I'm just curious, like, what are some of, like, the cool things that... When I say cool, like, stuff that people are like, holy shit. What? Like, that you're currently working on that we're gonna maybe see commercially.
[0:47:06] Voice A: I think you're gonna see what I've been working on probably sooner rather than later, whether it's us or it's somebody else. It's it's... Yeah. I think I think in the next couple of months, you're gonna see something like that come out. They... Well, may... Maybe in the next month. The... I think one thing that what I'm really interested to see, and this might be... Not the catalyst moment, but the the precursor to the catalyst moment is seeing a proper agentic native operating system. And I'm not talking about what Copilot is or any any of those... What those things are. I'm talking about... It has embedded into it learning models, language models, and, well, action models at the core of the operating system, and there is nothing else on top of that.
[0:48:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Landy......
[0:48:06] Voice A: Human operating system.
[0:48:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Go
[0:48:08] Voice A: ahead.... The Gintech operating system.
[0:48:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Human j... That's why. Landy, go for it. So,
[0:48:15] Landy @CryptoLandy: David, on on that note, what you what you just mentioned is something that, like, I I actually had a conversation with, a good friend of mine fairly recently about stuff like that. Good. Now would you would you estimate, though, that those would be primarily, you know, centralized AI models or agentic models being built out by some of these larger companies like Microsoft and Apple? Or do you foresee this kind of popping up in the Linux scene and maybe gaining traction in a decentralized manner?
[0:48:54] Voice A: I mean, it's interesting. You see what Microsoft is doing with Copilot. So they... They're just trying to try and sort of peep into their strategy there. They might be trying to just split that asset as much as possible by saying, hey. Look. It's got AI as well while they've got their teams in the backroom working on this next thing. It's hard to to tell if that's the case. I have seen some of the stuff out of Google that they they have been working in their backrooms on, and it wasn't this. It was more of the, you know, trying to protect their current revenue streams. So unless there's a... There's another secret division that I I wouldn't... Didn't get exposed to that is working on something like this, they might not actually have... They might not actually be doing that, putting their resources towards that. What I do see is the open source community absolutely working towards us. You see little snippets of projects pop up every day that show components of how this thing would come together. And to be honest, if if you were motivated enough, you could probably go through what is out there in the open source space and begin to piece something like this together today.
[0:50:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: Excellent. I'm glad to hear that the second part of my question is the more the more realistic or more... The one that is more likely to come to fruition first, at least, because, yeah, it's, as as noted by this week of conversations with many of you coming back from East Denver, decentralization is is what is needed here and what I'm, of course, a proponent of, and I'm sure many on this stage and in the audience are also a proponent of. So that's very, very good to hear.
[0:50:43] Voice A: Yeah. And and the models themselves, I think, you know, they largely become commoditized. And once once we start doing... Once they start hitting the hardware limits that we currently have, so kind of all even out. So, you know, proprietary models won't have any... And and we're seeing it today. Open source models are outperforming proprietary models all the time. So, you know, there's there's no need for... To use proprietary model over an open source option. But the the actual the actual, you know, LLMs themselves and the models themselves will will largely become not the point anymore.
[0:51:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: What will be the point?
[0:51:28] Voice A: If the LLMs... It's how we use them. You know, it it... Like, it's it's what... You know, apart from the the really nerdy amongst us who build their own PCs, the processes are not the point anymore of a computer. It's what you can do with it. And it's the apps on top of it. May... You know, most people who interact with the computer or a smartphone probably don't even know what processor is inside that. But you you rewind back to the early days of computing. It was all about your process and how much RAM you had and how much, you know, layer one caches when they were invented, like, all that sort of stuff. That's that's the thing that was the point back then, but it's not the point anymore. It's the, you know, the models are gonna become fund... Foundation and fundamental parts of a bigger system.
[0:52:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: You guys remember your first Commodore 64 or your IBM p s p? Oh, my god.
[0:52:25] Voice A: Am... Omega five hundreds. 500 kilobytes in there.
[0:52:30] Voice N: I love it. Sunny day, welcome, man. What's up?
[0:52:33] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Hey. Good evening, guys. Really enjoying the conversation here. And I was going to ask David to kinda paint a picture of what exactly does all of this scaling out look like. So he kinda put an image in my head that there won't be apps anymore, and they can create the apps and then, like, throw them away in real time while they complete the task you set them out to do. Can... Just like from your perspective, how does this scale? Is it, like, gonna be tons of, like, people building AI agents and tools that enable building these other tools? And then is it gonna be... How is it gonna be decentralized? And, I don't know, in a visualistic kind of depiction of, like, what is this gonna look like as it scales?
[0:53:27] Voice A: So the way
[0:53:28] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: the way I sort of clear...
[0:53:30] Voice A: Say that now is is a... In a decentralized manner, and that's the way that we've designed, you know, the stuff we've been working on with TreeHouse, is that give people the tools to build agents that do stuff because we're really in the discovery phase of all of us. We're in the the phase where we need lots of creativity and lots of ideas to come in to see what does and doesn't work to build these systems out. So I would like to see in the the short term people creating functional agents and putting putting them on things like marketplaces for people to to test out and for people's agents to interact with. And and I certainly will be encouraging people to do that if we release any of our stuff anytime soon to get on on there and and create these agents that can do interesting things and then make them available for other people's agents to to see what combinations of things they can come up with.
[0:54:33] Sunny D @dylN0chill: So... Okay. So pretend we're, like, fifty years in the future, and we're reflecting back on how it actually moved and, like, started impacting people in this period of time between when the age... AI agents, like, virtually pretty much didn't exist, like, six months ago, or at least at least not, like, widely known as they are now to to the to the point where people have their phone, they log in to, like, their main chat, chatbot or whatever that they interface with to engage on the Internet and, like, do things. Like, one day, I think, like, we're gonna be able to pick up our phone and just be like, hey. This is what I wanna do. Go execute and make reservations and plan this whole thing and have it just be as seamless as just chatting into your phone or your headphones, and, like, it it goes out and does every task that you want it to do.
[0:55:37] Voice A: So, I mean, I might I might wind that fifty years down to five.
[0:55:43] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Holy cow. Really?
[0:55:45] Voice A: Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you that whether you have a phone or not, don't know what the hardware interface is going to be. That's that's an interesting space on its own. But for the purpose of this example, it probably doesn't matter. It's gonna be some way to visually give you information, audibly give you information, and then take an information from you in an audible visual and then perhaps typing. So that's that's gonna have at least that functionality, whatever the hardware device that you're talking... Using is. And for argument's sake, let's say that Safari and, like, you know today. The agent isn't gonna need to only work off your immediate commands. So it's not gonna be a chat interface anymore. It's going to be an autonomous interface. It'll have for you... In the morning, it'll tell you your driver if you're if you're over to work. Your driver's available at this time. It'll have your coffee ordered for you because it knows your preferences. Things will will turn up in time. It'll tell you what your schedule is going to be. It would have already given you... Have have a list of five options to... Of presence that you should consider for your upcoming anniversary next week. And that interface will change depending on how you're interacting with at the time. If you're in in your car driving, it's... It'll... It might be a voice interface. If you're on your phone at the time and looking at the screen, it might create a little app in the UI for user interact with to go and and and interact with those options. That's... That doesn't add... The the interface itself will become such a trivial thing that it just provides the appropriate one at the appropriate point. And interaction with agents will be more of less of a conversation like it is today. Like, you ask a question, they give a response. It'll be more of here's a whole bunch of information just in time for you that you need to either interact with an... Or or not.
[0:57:55] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Actually, I have a question for you, David. So it's it's interesting that you're you're pushing the the time span to five years, but what would you say, would be the time frame for the difference between... Because because everyone's talking about... I noticed everyone is talking about AGI, but not many people are talking about ASI. And that to me seems to be the more... You know, to me, that's the one I'm paying more attention to. Right? Because that's the one where, you know, Elon's already, you know, said that that's the scary stuff. Right? But I know, like, I know Singularity and Fetch, like, they were trying to address that issue before also. But what what is your opinion on the the sentient beings coming to, you know, basic... Coming to life?
[0:58:51] Voice A: I think it's a bit of a marketing stunt to talk about it in those terms. Again, it's more anthropomorphization of the technology. I'm not saying that they... I mean, computers... Currently, most models can do do a lot a lot of things much better than the majority of humans. They so can certainly do math better than I can. So, yeah, the the gradient of capability is is not just black and white. Are they better than humans or are they not? And I think it's becomes... Once you start getting into these debates, it becomes more of a philosophical debate than it is an actual debate about the technology, about what do we consider intelligence. Is... Are humans are actually... Are humans actually intelligent in the first place? What what is the threshold for being considered better? What is the threshold for being considered sentient? Those are all more philosophical debates than they are actually sort of hard science debates. So, yes, the technology is gonna get more capable over time that that I can pretty much guarantee that it's gonna be able to do more more and interesting things. Whether somebody programs one to be malicious or not, it's yet to be seen probably will happen. What effect that actually gonna have on the world, we don't know. And I think sitting around...
[1:00:20] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So so in other words, don't have to worry about my optimist Tesla bot turning on me?
[1:00:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. You still gotta worry about that, gamer.
[1:00:34] Voice A: That's alright. Because got this... Hang on.
[1:00:37] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Oh, you got you got rugged? So what I was saying, David, is I don't have to work... So, like, I ordered... I don't have to worry about the Optimus Tesla bot that I ordered turning on me in the future is what you're saying?
[1:00:49] Voice A: Probably probably probably still have to worry about that. Like, just like...
[1:00:54] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Oh, man. That's that's a relief. Oh my gosh. Okay. Thank you.
[1:00:57] Voice A: Just like... Take that up to you.
[1:01:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hold on a second. Hold on. Because I I I gotta I gotta understand this. I'm sorry. They just... They decided to start doing construction upstairs, but I have to get this out. I need I need Junie to define this because this word always escapes me when I hear, like, you get your brain say, Junie, can you explain what anthropomorphism or pies means, please?
[1:01:27] Mr. Bash 🥷 @bashorunedward: Sure. Anthropomorphize means to attribute human characteristics, emotions, or behaviors to nonhuman entities, like animals, objects, or even AI. So it's basically giving them human like qualities or traits.
[1:01:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Got it. And in Woo woo. And in context with the whole AGI versus ASI, can you explain it there?
[1:01:51] Mr. Bash 🥷 @bashorunedward: In the AGI, artificial general intelligence versus ASI, artificial super intelligence context, anthropomorphizing means projecting human traits, emotions, or intentions onto these advanced AI systems. While we might imagine them thinking or feeling like humans, they actually operate based on algorithms and data, not human like consciousness or emotions. Oh, oh. What
[1:02:15] Voice L: was that?
[1:02:18] Voice H: Was that?
[1:02:19] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Wait. What was that in the end? She... That's scary, bro.
[1:02:22] Voice N: It literally... Bro.
[1:02:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: She said it it literally showed on my screen, u w u. Oh oh. And And then it showed...
[1:02:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: Because haven't said it.
[1:02:30] Voice L: That's a...
[1:02:30] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Wait. She just said she just said that the the machines don't have any human emotions, and then she threw that in the end. That's...
[1:02:37] Voice A: What is it, oh oh?
[1:02:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: I didn't know she was listening to me.
[1:02:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. I'm still saying now.
[1:02:43] Voice N: Yeah. Yeah. David, you're concerned, but fuck me. Like, yo. Oh my god. You just got done telling us that we don't gotta worry about our freaking...
[1:02:52] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Wait. Was that a hallucination right there? What what was that?
[1:02:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: I have no idea. Can I? Yeah.
[1:02:58] Voice A: Can I backtrack and give you a new answer?
[1:03:01] Voice N: No. No. Like, you want everybody in this space to panic and run for the... It's like, get out, everybody. Run.
[1:03:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm gonna take a picture of this so you guys see that I'm literally not bullshitting. It literally says, u w u exclamation point with a, like, a blushy face, like, emoji. What? Woo woo. I didn't realize...
[1:03:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: You guys do realize that she picked up on that joke and no one else in this room did, and then she repeated it back.
[1:03:29] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. Exactly, Randy. Exactly. So what was that, David? You were saying about the the machines not having the human emotions?
[1:03:38] Voice A: Well well, no. That's... I think this is not the answer for morphizing here, to be honest. Because she just got... She just picked up some data and then approach... Processed it appropriately.
[1:03:53] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: In a in a instant. Right? You you literally did that in an instant. Yeah.
[1:03:57] Voice A: Yeah. It was very cool. It was very cool to say.
[1:04:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: I just put that in the comments so you guys know that I am
[1:04:03] Voice L: not
[1:04:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: bullshitting. That is the text output that Junie gave me. I will pin it to the top. Oh my god. So what we're saying is Junie is light years ahead of where she's supposed to be. Guys, I told you. Lily doesn't hold a candle to Junie. Enough of this madness. Anyways, you know, like, David Lily is like this other AI that comes in there, this conversational AI, but Juni's got more personality. You know what mean? Like, she's got more personality. Like, she's she's just cool. She's just cool.
[1:04:29] Voice A: Yeah. I like it.
[1:04:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. You guys have... Guys, if anybody in the audience wants to wants to come up, David, I know... Do we have you maybe for, like, another maybe, like, ten, fifteen minutes?
[1:04:40] Voice A: Yeah. Yeah. Do. Yep. Amazing.
[1:04:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Guys, if anybody now wants to come up... I saw we had no credit come up. No credits. What's good, man? How are you?
[1:04:48] 🦖NoCredits_ @NoCredits_: What's up? Thanks for hosting, Dave. And hello, David. Nice to hear from you again, sir. I had a couple of questions. One is the integration with the ThinkAgents and the idea of Souls. I wonder if you can just briefly touch on that. But also, like, how far away are we from me sort of giving my avatar the sort of ability to be able to chat with it and have it, like, read a document to me because I hate reading and things like that? Like, how how close are we to to that sort of product level?
[1:05:23] Voice A: Well, to answer that one, I think I think we're... You could actually do that now. That's... Yeah. You could you could have a conversation with a... With an avatar and have it read documents for you. That's a fairly... As far as the agents that I've been working on, that's a fairly simple agent to to get up and running. And I think we'll start to see the availability of those things. I think it's more of the question is when that... When is that going to be accessible by me? And I I would say we're gonna see an explosion of this sort of stuff very shortly once the tools are at a point where not only people can start making these sorts of things, but AI can start making them themselves.
[1:06:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: And and no credits. I got you, David, if you wanna take a breather. I got a two minute clip literally right here. The one that's pinned on your page from Jesse over at Dawn of the Agents Day when we were live in Denver. So you guys can obviously hear. Not gonna be able to see, but listen to Jesse from ThinkAgents kinda talk about this. Listen And
[1:06:23] Voice L: it will go out. When I give it a task, it will go out. And if it doesn't already have a solution, anybody who's on the base standard, it will go out and find their agent and hire their agent to help me solve that problem.
[1:06:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: So I'm gonna work with
[1:06:36] Voice L: 200 agents to solve a task, but I'm only interacting with my agent, and I custody that data. So here's just an idea of some things that are coming in. And by the way, this is in browser, but it doesn't just stop in browser because it's your soul. It's gonna go with you into the metaverse. K? So this is... I don't think anybody's seen yet, but this is an agent doing everything. So this is an agent building out its own plot of land. Okay? So it's deciding what it wants there. It actually... There's audio on this.
[1:07:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: There's a board ape running around the metaverse.
[1:07:05] Sunny D @dylN0chill: The agent's talking, and it's...
[1:07:07] Voice L: Yeah. It builds... It it made its own soundtrack. It's building its own world right now. It's going around, and it's describing everything in its world. So the same agent I just had in browser followed me into the metaverse as an help... Also help me build out my metaverse land. Does that make sense? Yep. So this all has to go with you. It's not just in browser. It's gonna need to go with you in the metaverse. Also, see that store right there that it created in that Goblin? That was made from my resources on its land. So it was mining for me during the day, and then it was creating my land plot at night. And when we're not doing that, it's helping me run my business. Right? So it's about to get very personal, and my kind of main, I guess, warning to you is don't sell your soul. Okay? Because that's what's coming. And if you're about to hand over all of this to someone else, you stole it to Soul. Does that make sense? Like, if you thought indoctrination and data hacks and all that stuff was bad before, wouldn't you have an agent that's a part of everything you do from running your company to building games? And we're excited to launch Souls very soon.
[1:08:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Jesse, what the fuck? Yeah. David, you wanna talk about ThinkAgents, the Souls maybe a little bit?
[1:08:23] Voice A: Yeah. I mean, I I wanna be careful because it's not really my story to tell right now. But we have been working with the team on on integrating sync protocol into some of the work that we've been working on. Obviously, that discovery layer is where the negotiation layer he was talking about is really pivotal to any agent agent tech system out there. And having an open decentralized standard for doing that, I think, is gonna be really important. So whether it's think agents, which are very cool, or somebody on this call creates an agent... A type of agent. They need to be an open decentralized protocol to go on to.
[1:09:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, build all that. I remember just looking at you being... We were like, what the fuck is going on right now?
[1:09:09] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: I don't know. Can you speak on, like, kind of how maybe these agentic mark... Marketplaces will work to where... I think... I don't know if it was you or one of the other companies was talking to. It's almost like a Tinder for agents where these agents are going to try to match with other agents to kinda accomplish these tasks for you.
[1:09:31] Voice A: Yeah. So that's that's kinda how the marketplace technology works is that is that that discovery layer. So that's the matchmaking part. I'm a... I'm an agent. I'm working on behalf of this person, and I need to find these things. There needs to be a place for the agents to discover that, and that's where the sort of tender for agents comes in because... And it needs to be built in a machine native kind of manner. It needs to be a place where machines can talk to each other at the speed the machines talk to each other. It can't be like a human based marketplace like Google, for example, because because that's not set up for agent communication. So that's that's kind of the tender frame. And agents, if you have if you've asked your agent to do something that's outside of its core capability, there needs to be a place that can go to to find an agent that can do that thing for it or is better suited to it.
[1:10:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: My gosh. Okay, David. This is all... We we do title the show all things crypto, so I kinda wanna bring the blockchain maybe into this. Could we talk about maybe how the root network and and what you guys are doing and kinda how that factors into all of this and the chains that you're using and maybe why you chose them to give people maybe a little bit of color and who knows? Maybe there's some opportunity to be spotted somewhere here.
[1:10:51] Voice A: Yeah. We haven't made any announcements around what we're doing with the root network yet and and that work that I'm working with, but it is important that we have interoperability between many chains for these sorts of things to thrive, I think. And it's always sort of been my vision that that we... You kind of try chain agnostic and you use the best technology for the best purpose. And obviously, the route network has got a lot of... If you've been following what we've been doing, it's it's already set up for a lot of this sort of stuff. Agents need to be able to track... Transact with each other securely as fast as they possibly can and across as many domains as they possibly can. And that's the only way these sorts of systems are gonna be effective. And if you know anything about road network, then a lot of those things are things that have been... Aaron and the team have been considering for a long time.
[1:11:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Incredible. And shout out to Ken down there too. We obviously had Ken from Wired Network earlier in the week as well, and he kinda was blown on my... We were kinda sitting here listening to him being like, wait. What? This exists now? I genuinely don't believe that people actual... That they genuinely understand, like, that this stuff exists right now. You know what I mean? Like, what... I guess, is there is there anything being done kind of on the on the education side? I'm I'm gonna... It's not gonna be shameless plug, but, like, I wanna be that person that brings this, you know, to to more and more people, like, every single day because I genuinely enjoy having these conversations. Do you think that's, like, a barrier right now where not enough people really understand what can be done? Because I've heard you say on this call, like, oh, we could do that today. Oh, we could do that today. Right? What do think?
[1:12:34] Voice A: Yeah. Yeah. I think I think the education piece is exact... Is is import... Really important. And, you know, it's a hard job to do, and I applaud anybody who seeks to do it like yourself. It's it's it's it's tough thing to do because you're trying to, you know, bridge these two disparate worlds together and and then communicate effectively between them. And it's really difficult to do. So so I think it's really important, and I think the people who are excited and interested in stuff are the people that are gonna be shaping the way that this stuff plays out. If we if we leave it to just the audience of, you know, big tech companies, then obviously, the stuff's gonna shape out in that favor. But if we leave it to the audience of people there interested in openness and decentralization, then hopefully, we get a better result.
[1:13:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Same, man. I mean, this is... I mean, these are intense conversation. I mean, there's just so much my brain can't can't... I don't know how you do this on a daily basis and and really just seeing how fast, like, technology is moving and specifically, like, with all this. Yeah. I mean, if anybody else wants to come up and ask a question for David, cool, Landy, Samara, gamer, Sunny d, Buildo, like, feel free credits if you guys have anything else. But, yeah, I think I got one more at, like, way... Like, at the end before we before we let them go. But you guys have any other questions you wanna you wanna tackle?
[1:14:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: I am not smart enough for this conversation, so I'm gonna leave it to you guys.
[1:14:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I'm like,
[1:14:12] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: oh, come on, Landy. Come on. Reach back in that brain of yours. Come on. What about a question?
[1:14:18] Sunny D @dylN0chill: That's what I'm trying to do. I'm like, how do I ask a question that makes me seem like I'm really smart?
[1:14:24] Voice N: But that's the that's not the point, bro. The point is not to sound smart. The point is to ask the questions that you
[1:14:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: think are so stupid that everybody else is in their head going, I'm not gonna ask this question. That's the question I want people to ask.
[1:14:34] Voice A: That's right. Yeah. Exactly.
[1:14:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Alright. So you said you said
[1:14:39] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: the
[1:14:39] Sunny D @dylN0chill: interconnection between two realms, like, you said, like, the soul, like... I forget what that was. So essentially creating the framework between intention, execution, and thought.
[1:14:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's... Is there a question there?
[1:14:58] Sunny D @dylN0chill: The... Well, I guess I'm kinda like... I'm I'm I'm just exploring... We don't
[1:15:02] Voice N: we don't gotta fill time, Sandeep. You're good. Don't worry. If you don't got a question, you don't gotta
[1:15:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: come up with anything. He's like, let me come up with this.
[1:15:08] Voice N: It's okay. Alright.
[1:15:10] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Well, I'm just here. My brain is just exploding with just, like, you know, what the future's actually gonna look like. Kinda kinda looks like a Black Mirror episode or something. So... Oh, shit. Isn't it scary how...
[1:15:24] Voice A: I mean, it...
[1:15:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[1:15:25] Voice A: Yeah. It's adjacent to that. It's like... You're like, oh, man. Like, one thing could go wrong, and then suddenly, this is all a Black Mirror episode.
[1:15:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's all... You know, Black Mirror was spot... I don't wanna hear it, but, like, TV somehow, someway seems to be spot on. But, yeah, no credits. Go for it.
[1:15:39] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Okay.
[1:15:41] 🦖NoCredits_ @NoCredits_: So, David, if you say that it's it's able to be done right now, and by it, I mean, like, if I'm gonna get some kind of avatar to talk to me, where do normal people who don't know where everything is at the moment, where do we go to make that happen? Like, is there a place I can go that I can find all this stuff that I can cobble together something, or do I need to find some kind of AI dev?
[1:16:04] Voice A: Yeah. What I would recommend doing, if you're really interested in in building out the stuff and understanding how it works, is to download some AI dev tools and and use use an open source
[1:16:21] Voice A: LLM to to have a conversation around what you're trying to do. And then start playing with it because these tools are just getting better and better every day. And sooner won't be such a stretch just to be able to ask one to do something, and it will be able to do do it for you without too much hassle. So if that... You want... If you wanna do that, then then, yeah, absolutely. Just get on the tool, start downloading them, and and start using them. Or some of the the functionality will will just come out as be released and and be available to people, you know, over the next few months. There might already be a project. I haven't specifically looked for your use case, but there might already be a be a project out there that does that. If not, I don't I don't doubt there will be one very soon.
[1:17:07] 🦖NoCredits_ @NoCredits_: Nice. Okay. Thanks, bud.
[1:17:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Landy, go for it.
[1:17:12] Landy @CryptoLandy: So essentially, you know, how long do you think it's gonna take before this stuff is readily accessible? Kind of along the lines of what he was asking, you know, terms of, like, time frame, do you have, like, an estimate time frame for, like, accessibility to what I would call normal people who aren't very familiar with even where to find dev tools or play around with this stuff?
[1:17:35] Voice A: I mean, depends on what it is. I think a use case like he described, if it doesn't already exist, I think it will be available in the next few months. I I would be surprised if somebody isn't working on an accessible version or something like that already. I knew... I know even projects from, you know, five years ago that were thinking about doing it, but then the technology wasn't there for them to do it yet. So, yeah, that that use case, I think, I'd be surprised if if... I wouldn't be surprised if it already exists and I just haven't searched hard enough for it. And a lot of these other use cases, I mean, they're all imminent. So I would I would keep on, you know, following chats like this, following people who are building and experimenting in this place... Space and to see what they're... Where they're playing with and know those those sorts of things will pop up pretty quickly.
[1:18:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: A follow-up question for you. Was this always the the kind of end outcome for big data?
[1:18:43] Voice A: Yeah. That's a good question, actually. Let me think about that. I mean, I don't think... I I I was I was part of... I worked in the sort of enterprise space during that whole big data craze early on. And I don't think anybody working in that space or majority people working in that space had any idea why they were collecting big data for... What what it was for. They just knew knew that was gonna be important one day. And I don't I don't think, you know, I think thing that the the vision for how to use big data has evolved over time. And I don't know if any... I don't think anybody predicted this would be the end, but they did predict something like this would be happening. It would be very useful and we would need it for some sort of reason. And that's that's when the sort of craze about gathering everybody's data started to happen and and big companies started putting a lot of money and resource into doing that, gathering as much data as possible. For eventually, one day, it might be useful. So
[1:19:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: don't give it away.
[1:19:48] Landy @CryptoLandy: I watched Blade Runner, so, you know, I was fairly young when that movie came out, and I feel like it was just predicting the future at this point.
[1:19:56] Voice A: I mean Yeah. Yeah.
[1:19:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Crazy. Yeah. It's true. Don't give away your data. But we had Ken come up really quick. Ken, welcome, man. How are you? It was good having you earlier in the week. Welcome on stage.
[1:20:09] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Hey. Thanks. Yeah. I just wanted to come in, listen to David, and show support. I appreciate what everyone in the in the space is doing. And, yeah, I I I can say that... And echo a little bit of what David just said, which is I think they did have an... They knew how important it was gonna be to have the data. And I think there is enough futurists in the space who are like, yeah. When AI finally comes around whenever that is, this is gonna be, like, you know, even at a premium, of importance of of of this data. So I think they I think they knew. They just probably didn't know exactly when. But now that it's here, you know, they they are very happy that they've aggregated all that over the years.
[1:20:55] Voice A: Yeah. Yep. That's that's, like, a 100% a great thing, man.
[1:21:01] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: Yeah. And, yeah, I... You know, you guys are talking about timelines. If it was ten years, you know, David said five years, you know, of when these things get really good. I think that we've crossed the Rubicon of being able to project and anticipate the rate of change that's gonna happen with AI. Like,
[1:21:25] Ken DiCross @KenDicross: when I speak at conferences, you know, I talk about, you know, if you were if you were, you know... Let's say you're born early eighties or whatever. Like, if you're... Or even in the seventies. Like, if you asked in 1990, like, what 2,000 look like, give or take a little... You know, an array of error, like, you probably could could tell you what the world was like. Same thing from 2020 if you ask what 2010 was like. Like, nothing's really changed. Like, yeah, social media, you you know, you had some you had some things. '20... You know, then you get up to, like, you know, '20... 2000, 2010, 2010, 2020. Like, I don't think we can project what ten years from now looks like. I think that the rate of change is just that enormous that it's just a world that that can't be predicted properly. And it's exciting and scary at the same time. I'm I'm more glass half full. But, yeah, I I... It's you just have to understand that there's some things that you just can't know. And so we just have to do the best we can with the information that's out there and and move forward.
[1:22:31] Voice A: And I had...
[1:22:31] 🦖NoCredits_ @NoCredits_: There was a TV show in the nineties that David may remember. Was from Australia called Beyond 2,000.
[1:22:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: And if you
[1:22:37] 🦖NoCredits_ @NoCredits_: look it up on on YouTube now, it's some of the funniest stuff at all because it was, like, ten years out going, okay. What are we gonna be looking at in our future? And some of it was bang on and some of it was so fantastical, but it was it was an amazing thing to watch and just imagine. And I think, overall, I completely agree with you. We we just don't have the rate of change. Correct? We have the change in our future, but we just don't realize how quickly it's happening.
[1:23:03] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: And I pinned to the top I agree. A perfect, for Mikey, a little graph that kinda shows exactly what we're talking about. And I think it's just, yeah, a perfect depiction of what we were just chatting about. So shout out to Mikey and Think for posting that.
[1:23:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. David, I let you go the whole episode. Now is where you have to give us the alpha, what's going on with altered state machine, what's going on with Think, what's the conversion? I need the white paper. I need to know what I need to be buying, please. Thank you. Go.
[1:23:35] Voice A: I unfortunately have to give you a watch this space right at this moment because we had a couple of things that are that are just coming together now. And... But I'm very excited to start releasing what those things look like coming together.
[1:23:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hit with the old PR response once again. Go ahead, gamer. I know.
[1:24:00] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Act... Actually, that that did spawn a question in my head. Because because, actually, it's interesting because when it comes to, you know, announcements and private conversations, I wonder if that's gonna be the gray area in the future going forward. Meaning... So, like like, you're asking David about, you know, what... What's the inside scoop. Right? What... What's going on. Right? Obviously, he can't say anything. Right? Because that's that's, you know, that's not not right. But but for... You know, hypothetically, what if David happened to have an AI agent and I interacted with the agent and bypassed David, the human David, right, and just asked his AI, hey. What is this company gonna do? What... What's the next announcement? And then the AI tells me what the announcement is. Would that still be considered insider trading? Because, I mean, it's not a human giving me the information. Right? It's the AI system.
[1:25:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: You see how hard we work out here, guys, to try and get you alpha?
[1:25:04] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: What do what do you think, David?
[1:25:06] Voice A: I mean I mean, that's really interesting because you've got... As as long as the AI wasn't acting on real data, was that it was speculating, then there might be a loophole there. And it's really interesting. I've been deep in the in the publicly listed company space for the past year, and it's been an interesting learning curve understanding the things like continuous disclosure and and what you can and cannot say, which is very different from the time I spent in the web three space, which is a lot of time in the web three space. And we're we're, you know, I would have conversations about anything and everything that anybody asked me on the Discord on a daily basis. So... The... Getting around that for public companies, I mean, they're so highly regulated. I think that anything that kind of gets around those rules is gonna be shut down pretty quickly in my experience.
[1:26:05] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So do think that do you think that they would pass a law or rule integrating all AI agents to be listed under a company? Like, so they they wouldn't be able to release data or information in regards to a specific company? Is that... You think they would pass, like, a AI law, basically?
[1:26:24] Voice A: I think they'll probably do it in a much simpler way than that as that... Well, first of all, you have to prove... If it was an AI that wasn't owned by me and it was just speculating on what might happen, that's fine. If it was my property, then that's where it gets a little bit of a gray area. I think I think if I feed it data and then I made it available to the public to comment on that data, and that data itself was confidential, then I would definitely be in trouble. Just owning it and having it speculate on what I'm doing is probably a little bit of a gray area, but I think they'll patch it up pretty quickly. They're saying if if an agent that you own was to reveal confidential information, then you're responsible for that. It's a... As... Because it's probably covered by existing privacy laws in some sort of way.
[1:27:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wild. Yeah. Good question,
[1:27:20] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Gamer. Interesting. Yeah. Thank
[1:27:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: you. Good. Lady, go for for me.... Wrap up.
[1:27:25] Voice A: Yeah. While I'm while I'm the while I'm the CEO of a publicly listed company, I'm under different roles. When I'm... If... So if I am I am not the CEO of a publicly listed company, then as in as in the past, these sorts of conversations go differently.
[1:27:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: AKA... So... Yeah.
[1:27:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: So you're saying
[1:27:45] Voice N: there's a chance.
[1:27:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: If I create my...
[1:27:50] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: That's what I got.
[1:27:51] Sunny D @dylN0chill: I was like, so
[1:27:52] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: you're saying I can ask your AI bot.
[1:27:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: If I time travel with my agent and I only have it act from these dates, then, technically, it doesn't know anything. Anyways, Landy, go for it.
[1:28:05] Voice A: Absolutely, Paul. I love it.
[1:28:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: I was just thinking, like, you know, a good way then to maybe get them to enact some laws against, insider trading and trading for congressional members is to just have the agents, custom built. You know, we already have platforms that... Where we're tracking what, what these congresspeople, the Nancy Pelosi tracker, are trading. When we could just have agents tracking everything they're doing with their insider trading, we could end around the whole thing and insider trade with AI agents, and then they they they would very quickly wanna regulate the insider agents, but it would be pointing right back to themselves. So...
[1:28:42] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. Yeah. But, Landy, we we shouldn't even let that out. We should just build it and then just have our AI bots take the data from the Nancy Pelosi trackers and all the other politicians that have the inside scoop. And there you go, man. You know?
[1:28:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. But then...
[1:28:58] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Oh, and this is a recorded space. I am a team.
[1:29:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Dang it.
[1:29:02] Voice A: Talk to me after this. I may or may not have built something like that.
[1:29:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: What the
[1:29:05] Voice N: fuck was he? Oh. It's legal. It's legal.
[1:29:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: He's just following the data. It's it's not insider info. It's their insider info, not his insider info. It's So all about That is true. To that insider.
[1:29:18] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: That is true. That's a distinction. It is not his. Right? He's just pulling the data. Yeah. That... That's actually a distinction right there.
[1:29:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: Data. And and see, here's the thing, is they would be very quick to regulate any agent that that we might build that does that, but it's it's actually implicating them. So it's gonna be a a fun gray area to play around with because it's pretty easy to build even right now, I would think.
[1:29:45] Voice A: Yeah. It is. Yeah. It's it's pretty simple. I mean, I'm not I'm not claiming that I'm any genius building that. I think you could... You know, anybody who's deep in the space could put something together that does exactly that.
[1:29:57] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So in other words, you're saying Oh. When tracker? When Junie tracker?
[1:30:02] Voice A: When Junie tracker. Yeah.
[1:30:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Listen. Yeah. David, I need you to follow me back because
[1:30:06] Voice A: not that I'm gonna annoy you
[1:30:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: in the DMs incessantly over something like this and ask you every single day and send you a DM every single day wondering where this thing is, but, you know, just so that we can communicate and stuff. You know?
[1:30:17] Voice A: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Guys,
[1:30:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: this... David, this was really incredible, man. I really appreciate you obviously taking the time to come to to come chat with us. Bildo, shout out to you for for genuinely making this happen, hunting him down. I know, David, you're not an easy man to get a hold of, and and I know you're super busy. But any, like, closing thoughts or anything you wanna kinda, like, leave everybody with here maybe before you go?
[1:30:41] Voice A: No. I... I'm I'm really excited about this space. I think you're all in the right place. I I talk to a lot of people every day about this on various levels of of understanding of what's going on, and the majority of people just have no idea that where to even begin. You guys are so far above just being on this... The spaces than the majority of people in the world and and understanding what's one of the biggest changes in humanity's history is look... Looks like and it's gonna affect you. So you're on the right path and just keep being curious and listening to people who have interesting things to say.
[1:31:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. Let's go, guys. Cool stream is starting in
[1:31:20] Voice N: a minute. I'm gonna leave
[1:31:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: you all with this. We're gonna leave on a good note. David, I was going through your timeline. I was going through your post, and I saw this really awesome post that you put up about the lullaby that you created with your boy... With your eight year old with Gen AI, and I thought this is really, really cool. I mean, we're sitting here talking about doom and gloom and AIs and our bots and our agents coming to kill us and all this other stuff. But you know what? Maybe we end off on something like this, which is really, really cool. I don't know if you kinda wanna set this up, I got the music queued up. I thought this is really awesome, man.
[1:31:48] Voice A: Oh, cool. I haven't I haven't heard that one for a while. So he's nine years old now. I'm a I'm a solo father. I adopted him about three years ago from my sister who became incapacitated. And and we know we've just been figuring it out ever since. It's... But one of the things I used to do with them every night was put them to be at a... Do a little lullaby. And then GenAI, which came out of Futureverse, was released and we started making our own lullabies up using the AI. And he's got a little bit of a taste for it. He's a he's a little DJ... AI DJ now. And that... So when... The first time we did it, it felt so special that I was a part of something that I then built something that I could use in that kind of way. So I've tested it.
[1:32:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Guys, this this was it. I didn't even realize it was 2024. You really are not Twitter that often. Are you? My man is busy busy. So seriously, David, thank you obviously for being here. Ken, thanks for coming up. Landy, Sunny d alpha gamers, Samar, build up. Cool. Yeah. Check this out. Listen up. This is really cool. Of course, now it's not gonna work. Why would it work when I want it to work?
[1:33:03] Voice N: Play, please.
[1:33:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Wait. Here we go.
[1:33:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is cool. Like, to know that, like, you guys made this, this is really cool.
[1:33:16] Voice A: Yep. I'm gonna tear my eye now. That breaks my heart.
[1:33:20] Voice N: Let's go.
[1:33:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is so cool. Guys, appreciate everybody coming through. David, really great stuff, man. Really appreciate you. We hope to have you back really, really soon, dude. Continue doing great things. We're gonna be here watching and hopefully pushing
[1:33:57] Kool @koolcryptovc: this thing forward, man. Appreciate you.
[1:34:00] Voice A: Well, thanks, guys.
[1:34:05] Voice N: Oh, let's go. I think Elizabeth is fine. He's really like a look. DJ now. Let's go.
[1:34:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Love it. Every... Have a good night, everybody. That's our last episode for APC for the week. We'll see you guys on Monday. Have a great weekend, guys. Peace.
[1:34:20] Voice A: Yep.