All Things Crypto: BIGGEST CRYPTO CRASH EVER, THINK AGENTS & LANDY²

# All Things Crypto: BIGGEST CRYPTO CRASH EVER, THINK AGENTS & LANDY² | 2025-04-07 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1lPKqMlqvwbKb | status: approved
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[0:00:30] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Slinging deals, he's playing the game.
[0:03:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ladies and gentlemen, that was the tariff tornado brought to you by Suno and AI. Welcome to the Monday edition of David's officially lost his AI mind and another episode of all things crypto. Appreciate you guys being here with us. Yeah. I... I've definitely gone a little bit crazy, a little bit cuckoo, but, hey. Listen. Markets are falling off a cliff. You know? What else are we gonna do? Go out, play, get curious. It is what it is. Let me say what's up to my cohost and see what they saw of my tariff... What they thought of my tariff tornado. Cool. That's good.
[0:04:27] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. That's cool, man. I think... I was like, wait. Did did that song just mention tariff?
[0:04:31] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: I'm like, what is the tech...
[0:04:32] Kool @koolcryptovc: This is AI song. That's pretty cool. No. No. No. Hey. What's up, guys? How you guys doing? Happy Monday. What's up, Dave? What's up, Landy? Sunny d, Bill. How you guys doing? Man of peace. Hope guys doing well. Happy Sunday. Let's go. I'm ready. Let's do it.
[0:04:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, man. We got a lot to chat about today, boy. Everyone's coming back, crawling on their knees, calling president Trump saying, please, please, let me change the terms of the tariffs. Landy. Liberation day. Where is it, bro? What's going on? What's the deal? What's good?
[0:05:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yo. Look. Look. There's a there's a lot of shit going on, and I I suspect that we're gonna see, forgive me, as I kinda go in and out, I'm packing because I have to travel tomorrow. But there is a... There's a lot going on, and you're seeing you're seeing the uncertainty being reflected in traditional markets and, yes, we're feeling it in crypto markets as well. But it's not just in The United States. All of the markets around the world taken quite a tumble. So... Look. We're we're approaching this from a position of strength in the world, and you kinda see how these things are starting to play out in terms of negotiations, and I expect that to continue.
[0:05:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I mean, there is so much cooking right now. I mean, trillions being wiped off the map. But here we are, ETH under 1,600, BTC under 79,000. But, yeah, man, this is crazy. Let me say what's up to build on Metabee. Build on what is good?
[0:06:06] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: You know, when the markets fall off a cliff, I just kick my feet up and go wee.
[0:06:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wee. Oh, and, Landy, we got a song for you also. I forgot. Bildo found your your your theme song. So we'll we'll play that as the outro. I wish it was a little bit taller. I wish it was a baller. Wish I had a rabbit in the head from a cold. Yeah. We're gonna we're gonna definitely play that a little bit later. But what's up, Bilbo? Good to have you. Meta Beast, what's good? Hey. Hey. Hey.
[0:06:38] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Hey. Keeping my head or eyes off my wallet and burying myself in Easter eggs.
[0:06:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: There you go. There you have it, kids. The remedy to when crypto falls off a cliff, Easter eggs, ladies and gents. You heard it here first. Welcome, my boy. Dill, Sunny d, the man with the brightest future. What is good?
[0:07:00] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Good afternoon. This is your resident engagement farmer hanging out on the top of ATC Stage waiting for passive income to be awesome.
[0:07:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm just I'm just... It was
[0:07:11] Sunny D @dylN0chill: a great day. It's been awesome. Tron's holding out pretty damn good, so I'm not
[0:07:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: really feeling this. Love that, bro. Good stuff. Sorry, mister Space. Early Sunny d. I was just putting a bunch of different proposals and playing with AI and a a shit ton of other stuff together, but I'm sure it was amazing. I heard amazing things I saw in the chat. So congrats, man. I love that you're doing that on a weekly basis. Guys, go check out some of these weekly space every single Monday. Does the Tron Mega Space incredible? We also have a special guest with us today, ladies and gents. Mister Mike, I even made you an intro song today, but I figured, like, do you guys wanna hear it now? I feel like I don't wanna mess up the flow. I kinda wanna get into the conversation, but I'll play a few in a little bit. It's so good. Mikey, what's up?
[0:07:49] Sunny D @dylN0chill: I feel need some like fog walkout music, and that plays up, and then I just get the crowd fucking pumped.
[0:07:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. On days like this,
[0:07:56] Sunny D @dylN0chill: you gotta get pumped anyways. Right?
[0:07:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know what? You know what, Mikey? So stand by right here. Hold on one second. The think... I've created the think anthem. Let me just see which one it is. It's right here. And hold on. And Do
[0:08:12] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: use fog?
[0:08:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't know about fog, but it's pretty good. Hold on. Let's see. It's like electronic kinda, like, flow. Here we go. Come on. Play. Man.
[0:08:28] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Only you could own one of these.
[0:08:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know? Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Okay. Oh, it's a little... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[0:08:47] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Hell, yeah.
[0:09:07] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Let's go.
[0:09:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: Let's fucking
[0:09:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: go, Mike. I'll play you the whole gym, but don't worry about it. I got
[0:09:25] Sunny D @dylN0chill: This is great. We're ready for our, like, nineteen eighties montage. This is where we make this shit happen. Right? Like, all the global economy tanks. Well, I guess we're just gonna have to build a new one.
[0:09:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: That... That's it. I mean, what else is there to do other than play with all these, like, different, like, AI tools here? But, Mike, yeah, love that you're joining us here. Just a quick heads up. I love that you're joining us even a little bit early. We just kinda wanna go through the news, talk about, like, what's going on in crypto really quickly, and then we're definitely gonna get into think and everything that you guys got cooking. But, yeah, let let... Let's get right into it. Cool. Landy, like, talk to me about, man, like, this this is craziness what we see obviously going on out here. Cool. What do you see it on your timeline? Because, I mean, we're looking at, like... I mean, as I'm looking at CryptoPanic, I don't know which story to honestly start with. Right? It's like, who's coming on their knees to The United States saying now, please, please, please, could we, like... Could could we renegotiate these deals? Could we renegotiate these deals? Israel's saying they're getting rid of literally, like, all of US trade deficit from what I saw from the headline as well. Are we really getting a lot of the things? Like, Trump's saying, like, peep... Countries are coming to us now saying and giving and offering us things that we never would have even imagined for asking. Is he playing this long game and, are we gonna be good? Tell me it's okay.
[0:10:33] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. It's it's hard to say, man, because I don't know if if if we've ever had this happen before at this speed. The speed of of which this happened is what's causing the market to drop like a rock. Because we've we've had tariffs happen before. This is nothing new. But I think because, Trump has four years in office, that's it. That's all he has. This is his second term, and he doesn't have time to waste. Right? And there is a mid... Midterm election next year. Right? Am I correct? Yeah. Definitely next year. And they have to get shit done before that happens. So I think all this is just moving faster than usual, which is a good thing and a bad thing. The the bad thing is it's gonna make things very, very uncertain. You know? We... I saw some shit online. I'm like, this is crazy. I saw, at least... I think every single Asian market had the worst, Asian stock market, had the worst, day in, like, since 2008. We're talking about fucking almost twenty years, man. Wait. Wait. And and and I'm seeing I'm seeing, you know, over 50 countries coming to the table begging to make a deal. But in The US, it's so strange because this government is so weird because you have democrats, republicans, they're more divided than than than they've ever been. So in the past, when they when they use the the tariffs to to to to to to make shit happen, you had some... You you had a a... You... It was it was the all all in one effort, right, to help help with with a double country. In this case, you're having a lot of democrats trying to destroy what Trump's trying to do, some republicans trying to... It's just... It's a mess, man. So it's it's gonna be uncertain for a while. I think tomorrow, future guys, though, I'm not gonna lie. I don't know too much about the terrorist stuff. I do follow a little bit, but I just focus on what's in front of me. I bought a lot of. I don't buy. I bought yesterday. I bought eat a bunch. I'm still active like crazy. I'm doing a bunch of things even more now. I'm more... Like I said before, I'll keep saying again. I'm more bullish now than I've ever been in my life in crypto. We're seeing Ethereum at Ethereum's price today. It hits the same price 2,018. You're buying ETH at 2,018 prices. That is insane to me. You guys have to remember this, but, like, I... And look. I'm I'm all about the volume. On Sunday, the trading volume was $50,000,000,000. It went 268,000,000,000 today, which means there are people buying, guys. Like... So if you guys are following me, you see my tweets. I I was talking about, look. Don't be afraid. Just do something. If you're not buying, you're, you're active. You're doing something because we're not gonna seize prices too long. Right? I'm not I'm not saying you can't go to any lower. What I'm saying is, I think, you know, there's a lot of social media presence, a lot of influencers pushing fear, and it makes people not take action. I've seen this before. A lot of the, you know, the guys in crypto are here with us right now. We've been through this shit before so many times so many times. So I just think taking action is key. Stop taking screenshots of, of of your portfolio being down or, you know you know, you know how it is. Twitter is all here. This is a time when you should lock in even more than you've ever been. And I'm like, guys, I didn't sleep this weekend. Like, no, Joe. I... I'm I'm running on two, three hours sleep. I I think I was I was actively farming 30 plus projects on Sunday morning from 5AM till 7PM. I don't... I'm not fucking around, man. You guys don't understand. I've been to this shit before. Generation wealth is made right now. So don't don't don't mess around with this shit. There's there's opportunities being made out here, and don't don't let crypto Twitter put put someone's fear into you that you take no action. That... That's what I gotta say, but just keep clicking, guys. Yo. We we we... Better days are coming very, very soon. Just be patient.
[0:14:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Shout out. I see my girl. Staxi in the building. Staxi, what is good? I miss your face. Landy... And then we're gonna go... I wanna hear what Mikey has to say about this crazy turmoil. Landy, give us the breakdown, bro. What is good, man? What do you see cooking out here?
[0:15:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: Listen. Tariffs are actually something that I'm intimately familiar with because I worked in international trading desk, and I also worked with companies to, unfortunately, at the time, export American jobs because that's the way the market was going. And, look, I understand this issue pretty well because it kinda hits home for me personally with personal experience in the markets and part of what I was doing for a shorter period of time, but in a very important period of time in my career. And I don't think it's worth getting into the tariff argument, but what I will say is Trump's goal for him, he considers being met. Right? And that comes with a lot of pain in the markets in the short term, and we're hoping that that subsides and is not pain that turns into something long term. Right? And that still remains to be seen. When you have very sharp, sharp crashes like this in traditional markets, there's really only one reference point that we have, but it does correlate, and it correlates to 2018. I think I mentioned this, somewhere along the way, but in 2017, we saw the highs in crypto, we also saw the highs in traditional markets. Moving into, the beginning of twenty eighteen, the first quarter, we saw a a 213% or, 12 and then, like, 11% drop if you're gonna take it in aggregate across the indexes for The US because he was talking about tariffs. Then later that year... By the way, traditional markets went on to create new all time highs. Crypto did not. It went into a bear market. And we're we're living in a very different world when it comes to crypto now. But traditional markets went on to create new all time highs until q four of eighteen. What happened? We had implementation of tariffs, and we also had a few other incidents occur around that same time when it came to, impeachments and other things. We saw a 23% correction in aggregate across the indexes in The United States. It took about one quarter to work itself out coming into the end of that year into 2019. So one quarter means about ninety days, give or take. Some was ninety six. Some was a little less, eighty seven days. But in aggregate, it took about one quarter to recover. Then traditional markets are back to making new all time highs. Crypto eventually broke out later coming into 2020, then we got a crash. Now crypto didn't break out its all time highs. Markets did, and everything crashed. Took thirty three days to find the low. Why am I saying ninety days and thirty three days? Well, because the ninety days was a correction. Everyone called it a bear market because it was over a 20% correction across the markets. By the time they told you it was a bear market, it was over. The low was in ninety days later. Okay? And then when we saw the COVID crash, what do we have? Thirty three days to find the low. By the way, the low came in on the day that we went into a global economic shutdown. But we were already trending down, and things were already starting to crash. So, you know, the point being is if this is going to be a correction, we should see it last around a quarter. You can even give it a little bit longer. But if it is gonna turn into a bear market, we're probably looking at a year. And that's one of the things that I really wanna stress is that we're in a fluid situation. We're also in a much better economic situation than we were in 2018. We're on the other side of the tightening curve. Right? We've already seen cuts. Right? We're not getting cuts, we're not getting cuts in response. We we already had some cuts. We might get some cuts in response now. But, you know, essentially, we have, this interplay where the economy is in a different space. There's recession fears. Fears are not actualities. We won't even know until the end of this quarter anyway. And two quarters, quarter over quarter close of negative GDP does not equal a recession. There's many other economic factors that fall into this that can be considered a recession. That means that you can have market crashes and corrections and even the entire bear markets start going into a recession. Yes. They cook the numbers and allocate funds to make sure that employment stays up by government hiring and all that shit. But all of that stuff aside, all the fear and panic right now is a little unjust until we see the mean reversion back to the upside because we will get it when we do find a low, and that's where the rubber hits the road. Because then the market is gonna decide, are we in a bear market or are we still in a bull market? Because if we start to get a higher high swing that doesn't close and continue on longer term time frames, likely looking at a bear market start. If we get a lower low on a macro time frame, like, a monthly, we're probably looking at a bear market. But for right now, no one has those answers. But they get... They're all speculating, and they're telling you that they know when they don't actually know. Could they be proven correct? Sure. But this is a very fluid situation, and you only get six sigma events. Mean... That means that it's a very... It's a it's a lifetime opportunity. I I suggest that you read up on a six sigma event. It implies volatility. It's it's actually a market term. So it's a risk factor market term. I'm bringing up horrible memories for Dave over here. But a six sigma a six sigma event, you only get to see every once in a while. We've seen quite a few in the past few years. So when you see them, assess and get get an entry. I wanna end this with one thing. Ethereum, Solana, many other coins. Let's say they have another 50% to drop. Well, guess what? The majority of the move is likely over to the downside. That other 50%, I'm scaling it. Okay? Even if it's gonna drop to its previous bear market lows and lower, that's another 50% drop for Ethereum. That's another 50% drop for other coins. And what I'm doing is is I'm saying, okay. This is a good spot to start getting my accumulation in, and I'll scale down if it's gonna go down. If it doesn't, great. At least I bought some. That's where I'm at.
[0:21:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Landy's literally telling you go get a third, fourth, and fifth job because you're gonna fucking need it, if you're gonna stay into the... If you're gonna stay in this crypto game to essentially be able to average down. And just so y'all know, when we talk about recession, he's right. It's not just two quarters over quarter. Yes. It's negative GDP growth over two quarters, but it also takes into account rising unemployment, right, that you have to, like, factor in, like, decline in... Like, massive declines in consumer spending. So all of these reports that you see that come out, like CPI. Right? Like, everything that we've... That we talk about here. And shout out to Nat Nat. I can't wait till she gets back here to be be able to take these reins again from us idiots. But, yeah, like, it's not just, like, quarter over quarter of negative GDP growth. I think Trump definitely has a plan and a very, very solid plan, and he's got... He's come to the table. This is where he... This is where the, quote, make America great again is gonna come into play. But, Mikey, great stuff, Landy. Thank you for the take. Six Sigma, definitely took me back, bro. Mikey, talk to me, man. Like, what's your take kind of on everything that's going on out here in these crypto markets, the blood on the streets? What's the deal?
[0:22:41] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Well, we can expect that as we go into exponential change caused by technology that is accelerating everything, we can expect there to be a lot of craziness. Right? And so when I look at what's going on right now, we've got both China and The US that are aging populations. China's actually, I believe, older than us on average because of their one child policies. And so we're going into this time where where AI is taking over a lot of the the value creation stack. And so to kinda put this in in context, I live in Seattle. I'm friends with a lot of, like, pretty high up folks at Amazon. Right? And so going into COVID in 2020, in, like, early January, I was aware because they were saying, hey. There's going to be this global virus that's going to hit everybody. We're changing the way that we're ordering things. Just be aware of it. Right? And that was at least, you know, thirty to sixty days before it even kind of started getting on more people's radar. And what Amazon's been working on lately is their new generation of factories. Like, literally, the only person that needs to be working, in the warehouse is the person that puts the seal on the truck just to be like, hey. We we sealed this, and, like, there was a human involved in the process. Like, we're talking about the automation of a massive amount of our world. And so when you hear things like like, hey. They might be building iPhones and stuff in America. They're not talking about, like, hey. There's gonna be a bunch of senior citizens that are in a sweatshop. What we're really talking about here is the automation of everything. And so I think where I would put myself in this position is I've got no idea what the fuck is gonna happen. Global politics is crazy. Power wars are wild. I don't know what's going on there. But what I do know is that there's almost nothing they can to do to stop exponential increase of intelligence. And so where I'm always placing my bets is betting on myself, bringing my intelligence and my ability to learn and grow into a greater spot, my network into a better spot, and the technology stack I'm built on. And so, you know, when you're in that position and when change happens, you're positioned to take advantage of what happens on the other side. And, you know, just like COVID was scary in those weeks ahead of time and you're... You know, you got there and you're probably paralyzed with fear for a while, but the people who just said, like, hey. There's gonna be opportunity on the other side of this. They figured out how to launch that business. They figured out how to make that investment. And I would just encourage you to be optimistic because the world's not stopping and technology is not slowing down.
[0:25:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. Let's go. I love that take, Mikey. 100%. Like, 1000%. I echo exactly what you're saying. Sandeep, did you wanna chime in? I saw you had January before.
[0:25:23] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: No. I was just... Well, I was asking...
[0:25:25] Sunny D @dylN0chill: I was gonna ask Landy. Wasn't there, like, some false news that some tariffs were gonna be repealed and the market responded pretty quickly? Does that indicate... Like, it it... We had a big pump after that, but then the news came out that it was not untrue, and we returned. But does that indicate that we, like, want to be bullish?
[0:25:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, yes. But, also, the market started pumping before the news came out. So it was kinda, like, coincided with that kind of false reporting of a 90 pause, which was not accurate. Of course, now I I think that that was a little bit of an engineered event to get some exit liquidity if you ask me, but that's just, you know, timing. And then then it's very interesting because we already were starting to find a low and very low term time frames for traditional markets, and then all of a sudden, this news hits as the mark... As the price is being bid up. And then, of course, they come out and they say, nope. Nope. Nope. And then price kinda stalled and went sideways. But I wanted to to say something about what Mikey just said. One of the big things with tariffs and bringing production back here to The United States, everyone always talks about the inflationary aspect of it because you're you're now... You... Anything that we're gonna import is is is going to be... You know, if you're a company that needs to import, you're going to be paying the the tariff fees. Right? And then, of course, if it comes back to The United States, you would say, oh, okay. Well, now I'm gonna have to pay more because labor is more expensive here. Well, with automation, what you end up doing is reshoring that money. What is reshoring? That means that that money is coming back to The United States and not leaving. And if you have... You can still get job creation because we will still have job creation even with automation. But more importantly, what you have is you'll have more production increases here in The United States that then can leave The United States via shrink... Shrinking the trade deficit, which is the deals that he's trying to set up is to get United States products exported. Right? Instead, they don't have to pay anything if they produce iPhones in China or or Hong Kong or wherever. Like, I'm just using an example. Nike in China. They don't have to pay anything to import back here, but they're also not paying anything to to put these these products in their market as well. So... But if we can export to them, we shrink the trade deficit while while also, you know, getting money on the way in via the imports. But you shrink the trade deficit. You might even shrink trade along with it, which, does what's called reshoring, capital here in The United States. Now with reshoring capital here in The United States, we're gonna blunt the... The idea is you blunt that inflation with increased production here. Right? But there is always the danger, and everybody says, well, the danger is is that you're gonna have to hire all these people, and then we're not gonna be able to produce enough, and the consumer spending will slip. But the fact of the matter is we live in a different age with automated manufacturing and AI. So we can pump out production, which causes deflationary press price... Price pressures here at home, and we're already seeing this with oil. We're already seeing this with agriculture. And the expectation is to see this with other things that are being reshorred here in The United States, thus blunting the inflationary aspects, creating what's called... And I mentioned this a long time ago, Dave and Cool, what's called a dollar float. And that's where you get the strength of the dollar, even though it's declining, is still on the incline versus some of the key players in the trade, quote, unquote, war. In this case, China, and you could see that just by looking at the US dollar yuan trade. It's actually on the way up even though the dollar in aggregate is on the way down versus its pairs. So it's a tricky game. I think that innovation is gonna be the driver, and you'd rather have the automation and innovation having here... Happening here on US soil with US companies and manufacturers than outsourcing it and then having them get all of the benefits of of the automation technology and the AI technology. Bring it here and and keep it here instead of have it be over there because it's gonna happen either way. You might as well have those dollars here.
[0:29:59] Kool @koolcryptovc: So I do do have question for for Landy. So we we know all these different countries coming back on table to, you know, to kinda discuss terror stuff. China's president's whatever, he's saying he's not gonna botch. Right? If China and US keep go... Going back and forth, right, what do you think happens in the long term? Because if if if China... Because, I mean, each country, I mean, are fucking married, man. Yeah. I mean, what do think happens to inflation? All that's just fascinating. Yeah. If if both countries don't bend.
[0:30:35] Landy @CryptoLandy: Brilliant question because here's the thing. I'll use China as an example. So everybody points to the 20% of exports to The United States. This does nothing. They're in a powerful position. No. They're not Because all of their manufacturing was built out with US dollars, and they survive as a US dollar, derivative. That's what the yuan is. All of their entire economy is backed by US treasuries anyway, which is why we owe them so much money. Guess what they got baited into doing? Their stock market took a big old massive dump, and what did they have to do? They had to now sell US treasuries. You know how we have that interest payments that we make? Guess who we make them to? All these other countries. Those are the interest payments that we make on our debt because they buy our debt in the form of US treasuries and we pay them. Well, they had to dump a whole bunch of US treasuries into the market, which is why interest rates on treasury notes went up. Means they sell, interest rates go up. It's to attract new buyers of that, debt. Right? So in this case, they got baited into having their market hit every damn circuit breaker on the way down. Now they gotta rush to to sell treasuries and then put together a package for possible stimulus. Why? Well, what does this do to them? Well, 20% of their their exports might go to The US, but about 60 to 65% of their exports to the world are backed by US dollars from US corporations. So if those corporations leave China to come and reshor here in The United States, they lose a big part of their export business. It's way bigger than what they just export to The United States. It's what they export to the world because we built China. A lot of people don't wanna admit this, but we built China. We built them out of the damn stone age into a powerhouse on the world stage, and they kept flooding them with money for cheap labor and exploitative labor. Well, now that they are in this midst of a revolution in terms of robotics and AI to streamline manufacturing, processes with... In conjunction with American companies that have built all the big factories over there for production. Well, now they're gonna go and they're gonna remove the human aspect of it, increase their profits, and still be the the net beneficiary on the... On that side of the trade. Oh, well, we're gonna get cheaper products. We're also going to be a gutted middle class if that's the case with no jobs and no one being able to do anything. Gotta have somebody to repair and build those robots. You gotta have people to actually go and service and and and implement the AI infrastructure and a whole host of things that that surround even just the facilities themselves for the trades. So... And I... And when I say trades, I'm not... I don't mean market trades. I mean, like, any plumbers and technicians and electrical engineers and all kinds of architects and all kinds of shit. Right? So they were gonna be the net beneficiary of that in this changing world where technology is accelerating at a breakneck pace that's going to change the way that societies work, and we better have that money here. They are not the power player here, and that was proven out when market opened today in China. That went boom. They had to sell. That reduces our debt obligation to them, and they're on rocky on rocky roads right now. The other aspect of this is we are the main backers of their real estate economy. Some of the biggest investors in the world are exposed to Chinese real estate, which is why when their market was going shitty in 2022, it had an outsized effect on ours because you had to rehome that capital. And where did it go into? It went right back into the stock market at the lows in '22. And that's why you saw the outsized pump with all the printing that was going on from congress here. So this is a really complex issue, and understanding how all these points fit together can be daunting. And I think that it's going to resolve itself through negotiations. Here's Here's what you all need to look for. It's not about the tariffs. It's about what deals come out the other side of the tariffs. Do we get what we want for closing the trade deficit? What is closing the trade deficit? It means that we're not just importing, but allow US companies to export because we're gonna rehome here, and you're gonna want our shit. And we want our shit in your market too. We got all your shit already. So we we don't need any more of your shit. Take some of our shit.
[0:35:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Take a breath. This is, like,
[0:35:15] Sunny D @dylN0chill: the fastest I've ever heard Landy speak. This is... I'm I'm feeling the vibes. I'm stoked.
[0:35:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: Dude, this is this is actually my wheelhouse for five years. This was macroeconomic analysis, trade partners, and trade relationships, providing liquidity for those relationships, allocating capital to people who wanted to build, and guess where they were all building? China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Hong Kong. That's where all of the investment was going when I was in my prime. And guess what? I was happy making that money, but I felt like the dirtiest scumbag in the world because it was gutting the middle class. And I have to make up for it, so I did that by buying Bitcoin. Buy more Bitcoin.
[0:35:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Are you going... In in just one sentence because I wanna let you catch your breath. Are you going are you going to DC? Is that why you're packing your bags, fancy pants?
[0:36:05] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes, sir. That is where I'm headed. Alright.
[0:36:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. I
[0:36:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: will I will still be
[0:36:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Land me on the hill.
[0:36:12] Landy @CryptoLandy: I will still be available online. I have... I'm literally going there for one meeting with with somebody that I think is very important to talk to, I'm and gonna be online. I'm gonna be in spaces. I'm gonna be talking to people. I do suggest on the ninth that you watch the Bitcoin Policy Summit stuff that comes out. I am not gonna be there. I wish I was. No. I'm not gonna docs. But, yes, there is some really cool stuff coming up. I would, in particular, pay attention to Bitbonds. Now this is not exactly what I wanna see happen because it's a different product, but bit bonds are gonna be a topic of conversation. I'd rather see US treasuries backed with Bitcoin, but bit bonds are
[0:36:56] Sunny D @dylN0chill: a good start.
[0:36:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Okay. Alright, fancy pants. Catch your breath. I've never heard Landy speak that fast or... I mean, he's back now. He was also giving us short takes on Reset Sunday, so he has to make up for it here on ATC. Amazing insight, Landy. Seriously. Really great stuff, dude. For real. For real. Like, really... Like, I generally don't get that kind of insight in any other fucking space that I go to, so thank you, bro. That was fantastic. Good shit. Let's talk about the positive side of things. Mikey, we talk about seizing opportunity. What do we got here with Think? What the hell are you building? Introduce yourself to the crowd over here. What is cooking, bro?
[0:37:33] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Yeah. For sure. I mean, the easiest way to understand it is most people have used ChatGPT. But one thing you'll notice is that it's not like your computer. Where are your files kept? Right? Like like, where is your credit card? Right? Like, where is where is your thumbprint on this thing? It's really like it's really like people are building their workflows and their work almost like the people who decided, like, hey. I'm gonna use Facebook as the platform to build my business on. And, like, at first, it feels nice. It's like, okay. This thing's growing fast. It's got this technology. These people are spending tens of billions or more on it. But the reality is it's a platform. And the reality is is they are taking money in at a massive, rate to scale, and they're eventually gonna have to monetize, which means this is not your AI. This is their AI, and you are the product that they need to, they need to sell. They are selling the number of users that they have, to investors in order to scale, and, and I would be very careful of that. In in, you know, in direct, opposition to that, we have believed that there needs to be personal AI. AI that you actually own, that you have control over over your data, where it gets stored, that you have uncensored AI so that they're not putting their morals, their beliefs on you, but you can actually bring yours to your agent. And last, it can evolve with the whole ecosystem. So it uses the same kind of composable open permissionless standards that the blockchain does. So we already have 70 different projects from the Independent AI Institute that are integrating into this. And, you know, if you've been paying attention at all, some people may have seen this word MCP, used, which, you know, when people are talking about AI agents, that word MCP is used a lot. And that's really, kind of a a hint at where things go, which is basically it allows agents to start using any tool. So think about any web two or web three product out there in the world. They generally use, APIs and blockchain based calls to be able to work. And so this gives agents those abilities to do that, and it's built straight into the ThinkAgent, clients. And so if you wanna think about what Think is, Think is the ability to own your intelligence instead of using OpenAI, Google, any of these kind of main big players that are looking to, to turn you into their product. We're trying to give you a product that you can actually own.
[0:40:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love that, Mikey. I love it. I love it. I love it. Buildo, I mean, you and I have been junkies for this literally since we went to eat Denver, bro. I kinda wanna rope you in, and just... I mean, it was crazy kinda what we saw, this whole decentralized, like, AI movement. Like, give people kinda... Like, if you can, like, kinda your take. I know that, you know, there's some newer people as I'm looking down here. Shout out Zero. I see you. What's up? Stacksy, I see you up on stage. What is good? Yeah. But they'll give us your take, and then I'm gonna say what's up to Stacksy.
[0:40:30] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Yeah. I mean, I think he kinda nailed it, probably summarized it way better than I ever could. But, you know, if you wanna own your own stuff, I think we've saw the results of being marketed too with kinda losing the battle with data previously. So you see the likes of, like, Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and all the success of what they've done of turning the people into the product. So I I really believe that this kinda gives us an opportunity to kinda flip the script and, you know, be the product and sell it back to these corporations instead of them selling us... Ourselves right back to us. So I... I've been super excited. It's really cool that everything is independent AI. Everybody's kinda working together. I mean, I... You have talked a lot about this new one that you're using that will be pulling from a bunch of different models. It sounds like the same thing with what Think is doing, and being able to pull from all these different, you know, companies that are solving different solutions within, the AI space and then having kind of a Think agent or your soul being able to pull from those as needed and really kinda, you know, form Voltron and become a a super agent.
[0:41:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. I love this, man. Like, this is the shit that I geek out about. Sunny d, I know you're all like, what? Yeah, man. This is crazy stuff. But Mikey and and the think team, you know, genuinely, like, have cooking out here is something incredible, man. It really, really is. I mean, look. I I kinda wanted to switch this up a little bit. Right? Like, we know that crypto is going crazy. Like, things are a little bit falling off a cliff. You guys got the tariff talk already. You know what I mean? Like, we got the tariff talk. I wanna talk about, like, what else are we doing? Like, you heard what Mikey was saying. Right? Like, start focusing on the stuff that you can control out here. Right? Like, start building really cool shit. But let me say, Staxi, what's up?
[0:42:19] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Hey, guys. Oh my god. I haven't been in here for so long, and now I hear your voices, and it does so good that I'm regretting not coming in here for a while. Like, guys, I missed you so much. Dave, cool. Landy, like, hearing you speaking like this passionate is amazing. Mikey, I don't know you yet, but hi. I just wanna say we are legends for being here. I was lately surrounded a lot by normal people from outside, and it makes me feel crazy. Like, there's so much stuff happening and no one seems to know or care. Like, they're just, like, drinking away, living their life. And I'm just like, am I crazy? Like, why is no one speaking about these topics? There's literally a financial revolution happening. Like, everything is, like, out... Like, in a movie scenario. We are here hustling, building. We have big ideas. We are, like, the thinkers, like... And yet you go outside and you feel completely crazy because the majority of people or, like, everyone outside, they they don't seem to even care or pay attention. Like, they're scrolling on Instagram, drinking in beach clubs, and I was just like like, we are, I think, the people that are actually gonna change that world. Like, I'm really convinced now. Sorry. Like, Landy, I feel like I sound like you right now, but like I'm I'm I'm in flow. And I just wanna say like, I'm proud of us being here and not being zombinized by society's crawling and all of these other things that are trying to keep everyone distracted. And we're doing our shit, and it looks like we're fucking winning. Sorry. I'm done.
[0:44:03] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: You hear that, Mikey? We're we're all thinkers.
[0:44:06] Sunny D @dylN0chill: You know it.
[0:44:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. It's Taxi. This is exactly what Cool was saying literally, like, just last week. Like, I know you haven't been here in a minute. Obviously, it's great to have you back here. This is... Cool was literally saying this to everybody in the room. Like, guys, I don't know what you're... Like, trust me. People are living their lives. I just went to the park with my kids. I was playing ball. People are barbecuing this. They're like, life is going on. Like, it's not... Man, they they they tell
[0:44:34] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: me... They call me crazy. I'm I'm not drinking. I'm, like, you know, focused and I'm not drinking. I'm single because it's my choice, you know, because I don't wanna settle for whatever. But, like... And they look at me like I am insane, literally. They they look at me like I am the insane one when there's, like, people that can barely walk and they're, like, twenty years older than me and don't seem to care about anything. And I'm just like, man, I'm so happy I just have people on x. Like, otherwise, I'd go crazy. Like, it's like almost like gaslighting, you know?
[0:45:06] Kool @koolcryptovc: No. No. No. It's actually... You're you're 100% right, man. I mean, it's it's... This this is what I see every single day. I'm tuned in to web two, web three heavily for a reason, and I see the same thing too. I would say crypto people, what crypto does to you is this, it opens your eyes to see how the world works, the world of money, and and and just... It just... Your eyes are open. But what's crazy is when you leave web three, you go back to web two, nobody has any idea. They... No one's talking about inflation or or they don't even know why there's inflation. They don't even know what a tariff. They don't even know what a tariff is. Like, what's a tariff? The first time they ever heard a tariff was what Trump Trump announced tariffs. They don't know what inflation is. They don't know what what what what the tariff is. They they don't know, but but they feel that they're getting poorer. They feel that things are expensive. They don't know why. They feel they don't understand why they can't afford the house anymore. They don't know why. What happened? But we in crypto know, and that's the reason why we keep grinding to make sure we secure a future for our families now. But you are 1000% right. A lot of people that I know, they have no idea what's going on. They just turn TV on and let the let the TV tell them what's happening. It's like the freaking matrix.
[0:46:24] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: It's scary as fuck, but cool.
[0:46:26] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: At least you
[0:46:27] Sunny D @dylN0chill: It's scary. And family. Yeah.
[0:46:28] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: And your wife that kind of is on on the stage. But when you don't have people outside that are on the same page, you start to feel insane, like, because... Really, like, the only moment I, like, kind of rebalance this whole point of view, like, is when I come on x and I hear you speak, I see you as a post, and I'm like, I'm not insane. I'm actually the normal one. I have a brain. Oh, man. Crazy.
[0:46:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let me say what's the good stuff, Staxi. Yeah. Come back. You're like... You know, we love having you here. Let me say what's up to zero zero. Big connect. What's up, baby?
[0:47:09] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Big Konnect. They said I couldn't make it. They said it was a scam. Big Konnect.
[0:47:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.
[0:47:20] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.
[0:47:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's the best intro in everybody's show. What's good? What's good, dude?
[0:47:31] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Oh, man. Hey. Yo. I'm just listening in. Dude, we... You know, me and you, we could talk for hours on the fucking phone. Sometimes I have to say, look, Dave. I gotta fucking get these kids in the bath, brother. But, dude, we we were having this conversation at the end of December, and I was like, dude, everything I'm seeing, man, I I mean, let me start with this. Dude, I've lost so much fucking money in crypto. Believe me. I've lost way more than I probably made at this point. But believe you me, I am not, I'm not a trader. I'm I'm not super smart like Landy. You know, I I don't look at charts and fucking lines. You know, they say astrology is for men, kinda with the lines and charts and shit like that. And I think, yeah, that's awesome. And I see Landy's videos when I get time, and I'm like, dude, that's awesome that you know this shit. But I just try to keep it super fucking simple and just follow kinda like some macro trends. Right? And, you know, back in December, was like, dude, everything I'm seeing, I think this shit is over. I think this is the part of cycle where people say that the next levels on Bitcoin is $2.50. And I was like, you know what? I don't see this shit. I'm just gonna take some money off the table. And and then, you know, we kinda get into all this shit. Now who who knows? You... The price might explode from here and then go up and go down. Who fucking knows? Dude, but one of the best things I've ever heard, man, this this is always, like, in the back of my mind from the whole, ICO ICO twenty seventeen run. I don't know who said this, but I just kept it in back of my mind. Bull markets make you money. Bear markets make you rich. Bull markets make you money, and bear markets make you rich. So I don't know what's gonna fucking happen.
[0:49:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: Was that was that you that reposted that that chat? Because I quoted that to somebody the
[0:49:25] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: other day. I posted it a few days ago, Landy.
[0:49:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't even
[0:49:29] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: know if you
[0:49:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Must have been, yeah, bull markets. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It was you then. Because I I was like, Emma, man, zero just posted this in the chat because I was on stage somewhere, and I was like, and how true is this shit? Holy shit. What a great post. It's about zero.
[0:49:45] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Dude, this... We're in the part of the cycle where... And, Dave, you have a huge fucking audience, so you you don't really count because I see a lot of people here in the chat. What's up, the Stacksy? What's up, Landy? What's up, Cole? What up, Sunny d? Sunny d Lite. Oh, I see see my header down there, GP. What it do? Oh, it's Oklahoma. Yo mama from Oklahoma. That's my dude. I love that dude. Oh, I see Tripp. What's up, Tripp? Oh, I see Grimaldo. Dude, you've killing
[0:50:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: it with your
[0:50:15] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: authority. Thank you....
[0:50:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Come on the things to show is his. Like, he just literally, like... He literally comes out and was like, hey.
[0:50:20] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: I'm taking over this bitch. Hey. Hey. You know, I'm the type of dude you invite me to the house, and I'm going into your fridge. I'm putting up the feet on the couch, and and I won't get the second invite back.
[0:50:35] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Hey. But last thing I I wanna say, I'm not gonna take up too much time. Tell your friends, tell whoever invested in crypto. And and one thing I was gonna say, Dave, you kinda don't fit into this category, but I've been on different spaces and shit like that. And, you know, I'm seeing, like, four people here, five people there. This is the part of the cycle where I promise you, you just stay locked in. Just keep tuning in. And at some point, when you see the guy and and grandma Betty that was buying Bitcoin, and they start to tell you, oh, man. I'm selling all this shit. I'm never fucking with crypto again. I'm never buying this Ponzi scheme Bitcoin. That's when you start buying. And and I... And this shit happens every fucking cycle, and and it's just so automatic that it happens. But you're gonna start seeing it. Give it a couple months. Hopefully, I mean, fingers crossed, everything comes down. Everything... Look. The world is not gonna end. It... Like like all of us, Bitcoin taught taught me about macro. Bitcoin taught me about inflation. All the fucking books in college I went to, no one ever ever thought to ourselves, why do we have a 2% target at the Fed for for inflation? Why do we even need inflation? We don't we don't need that. And and Bitcoin taught me all these things like you guys. It it taught you guys all this stuff. But I promise you one thing, just stay locked in. Do not what I repeat because these cycles happen so fast. Really, what... Once we get to the bottom, you're only gonna have, like, one or two months. When you see Bitcoin hit, I don't know, 20 k, 30 k, 40 k, believe you me, you're gonna be like, man, this shit is going lower. But that's the moment where you say, this shit is going lower, and I'm really afraid. But I remember Zero said, this is where legends get made. So let me just put a couple couple pennies down. Let me buy some Satoshis and just lock it in. And just sit sit back and relax, and then the having comes along, and you start just kinda selling from there. And and then rinse and repeat from there. Who knows how long we have left? But that's all I want to tell you guys. Just just don't don't stop paying attention because this is where the legends get made, baby.
[0:52:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. And, guys, you actually are gonna be able to have the help of AI this time around. That's why we brought Mikey on here. Right? Like, we're now gonna be able to have agents that are gonna be able to help us understand all this shit where we didn't have any of that before. None of it. You never had... You never were able to literally talk to your own AI agent and say, like, what the fuck is a tariff? What's inflation? Have it go out and obviously talk to other agents. Mikey, how do we use AI agents in this capacity? Right? Like, because people come here to this show, Mikey, and they genuinely want to learn, right, and understand, like, these market movements. Right? You hear Landy talk about Bitcoin, like, cool. Like, we're we're we're all in in different places. Right? Everyone has a different financial situation, but how does, like, maybe even a think agent or or an AI agent, like, how do we actually use them, like, in these kind of environments?
[0:53:46] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Yeah. For sure. So there's... You know, at at a very beginning level, you've got just, like, knowledge. Right? And so, like, when you hear a word, like, when I hear a word, for example, that I don't know, I go and talk to my agent about it. And I I probably spend... I spend at least ten hours a week talking to agents of different sorts that lets me be able to, like, extend my own brain's ability to not just understand information. But then I I... My agent actually has its note files inside of it. So as I'm learning, I'm growing a library of information about things that I already know, and now my agent is aware not only of what it knows, but what I know. So as I'm going into a situation, I've I've got, coach Mikey, which is my, you know, an agent that I use, who who basically understands who I am and sees my strengths and weaknesses and helps and gives me a third, like, a a third set of eyes... A second set of eyes to to to interact with. But what I'd say at a at a much deeper level, is now we start to get into the point where where these agents are capable of doing things at a high level themselves. So for instance, we have a couple partners. Heurist is one, that has, you know, all of the information from CoinGecko and any kind of any kind of, any kind of system that's out there, it's pulling it in. And this AI agent can answer questions, can can... And you can have a a dialogue with it about where things are at, where you think it's going. Like, that's all totally possible. But but at the even deeper level than that, I would say we gotta think in this in this... You know, whether it's in the bear market or not, in this cycle, we need to really think about the networks that we wanna build for the future because I think we're kind of out of that game of being kind of like this this, hey. We're off in the corner kind of speculating about what's gonna happen in the future. And we're actually seeing our existing financial systems fall apart. Our existing ability to actually cooperate and work together between humans using governments and and lawyers and shit like that as the as the intermediary. We're actually in the spot where where we're actually getting ready to move all of this on chain. And agents are the ones that are going to be doing this. We already have agents that... You know, agents by and large are the ones that are trading most stocks for instance. Right? High frequency traders. That's already gone to to to the bots. You know, Amazon fulfillment, that's gone to the the agents. Like, as more and more jobs get shifted from people onto machinery and onto AI, crypto becomes the thing that's actually the basis of truth. Meaning, like, the blockchain itself allows these systems to be able to work together. Because without there being, like, a source of truth, it's hard to organize a swarm of different agents. And so what I would say to everybody here is AI is the future. We're going into an intelligence age that's at least as important as what the industrial age was. It's going to affect every single bit of every single job. Every single thing you buy is gonna have intelligence involved in this. And so having an agent that works for you is critical so that you even have an idea of what's going on in the world around you. Things are gonna be moving so fast. Like, your products that you use are going to be smarter than you. It's really critical to have that thing in place. And I actually think that blockchain ends up being the very best way to distribute all of this. And so what do I mean by that? I mean, AppCoins are coming. And AppCoins are tokens that can be used to set up these new AI tools. And every single day on GitHub, some of the best scientists and machine learning engineers in the world are putting out tools for free. The source code is totally open. The problem though is is that people who aren't developers have no ability to use this, and it doesn't connect into any other system. And so what you see right now happening within decentralized AI is this this identification of the problem of we need to incentivize people to package up these open source, tools and make them all connected together so that every agent can use it. And when you see the 70 members of the Independent AI Institute, you can think about it like that as these are all people that are taking tool that that normally only engineers can use, and it's making it available to all of us so that we can actually own our intelligence. And I think the the meta that I would be thinking about right now is shifting from the shitcoin casino of the last cycle, which I think by and large might might have been fun, might have brought some eyes in, but but it's value destroying, into the AppCoin world in which we're actually using all of these tools for good to make things better that we can actually own a piece of those things as they grow. Does that make sense?
[0:58:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Perfect fucking sense, dude. Well said. Absolutely. 100% sense. I love that.
[0:58:31] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Dave, you know what I saw today, guys? Like, I literally saw a post that was saying, hey. If you're hiring people and they're not even using any AI tools, like, don't hire them because they're dinosaurs. So there's already full on discrimination happening. So, like, we can't stay behind. Like, people who will be the fastest to implement those tools will be the most, I think, in demand.
[0:58:57] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Yeah. How do feel about that?
[0:58:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: That That that probably came
[0:59:00] Sunny D @dylN0chill: from that probably came from the Shopify CEO. So, you know, one of the more, you know, one of the more innovative companies in the world, that has come and they they went head to head with Amazon. Right? And they they carved out, I think, a $100,000,000,000 plus, organization. And they're now saying to all
[0:59:15] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: their
[0:59:15] Sunny D @dylN0chill: employees, agent management is a job as important as human management here. And they said and they said it's not just engineers. It's actually, every system inside of our organization is gonna start thinking about an agent and employee as being very similar. So there will be org charts, there will be people organizing them, and there's this new role that's an intersection of engineering, the humanities humanities and management theory called agent managers. And, like, I'm telling you right now, like, all the jobs we've had have been, like, we're at we're at grandpa's farm, and the new industrial systems are coming out. And, like, I promise you that you wanna be a factory owner, investor, builder, not a factory worker.
[0:59:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. Yo. You guys are welcome for bringing Mikey onto this fucking program, dropping fucking bombs like this. Incredible. Like, great... Amazing insight. It's actually good shit. Cantor codes, what's good, man? Welcome. Sorry. Thanks for being patient, bro. It's good to have you.
[1:00:16] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Thanks, Dave. And, yeah, resonate with that a 100%, Mikey. Really love the ideas. I took a quick look at Bink and the platform that you're building out as well. It's it's really exciting for a lot of reasons. We were talking about this yesterday too, I think, or the other day. And it... The... I think the neural interface for everyone on this planet, if you've got a a connection to the Internet, is changing. We're not going to be using our keyboards and mice. Like, it... Like, that's that's all gonna go away. Right? Like, think in the next year, even six months, everything is going to change. You will be talking to agents at every single level, at organizations, in your your daily work, you're shopping for groceries. This space is evolving so, so, so, so fast. And the best part about AI agents is that they don't have coin maximalism. They don't have nation state maximalism. This is not a thing for them. AI agents usually have a predefined set of goals that they're trying to accomplish. You've got your your AI agent plugged into your neobank, and it's there to make you it's there to make you yield, right, on some money that you've got in your bank account. That's it. Doesn't care how it does it. Doesn't care what network it goes to. It's just find yield, go and make it, make money. That's it. Complete task. And as we head into this era, we have to start asking ourselves more clearly, like, where are the shortcomings in the society? And as as someone else mentioned, you know, we're watching the financial systems just fall apart in front of us day in and day out with with the latest political theater. So what does that look like tomorrow in a society that's empowered by AI agents? And how are we gonna enable AI agents to swarm and effectively connect to each other in the most meaningful way so that we can get the outputs that we actually want in tomorrow's society? And that's partially why we're also working on a lot of open source stuff for AI agents, like, a protocol for AI agents to talk to each other. And I think that's that's really a challenge for everyone here. The the writing is on the wall. We've entered the agentic era.
[1:02:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. I love this, man. Dildo, were you gonna... Good stuff, Kanter. Thank you for that for sharing, man. Dildo, you gonna say... Were gonna chime in with something earlier?
[1:02:52] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: If I was, I... I'm not sure what it was. Yeah. Just trying to take it all in, loving the conversation. And, yeah, I I think it was around what I think maybe Staxi had said. And, like, is that something that you would attach your own, like, AI on a resume? You know? Like, you have your own personal AI, and then your AI is the one. But I would assume that once we get to that point, we're not even needing to, like, attach anything. It's just agents talking to agents and, like, hey. We see what this agent's capable of and has done in the past, so we're gonna go ahead and reach out and hire this agent. So you probably won't even need, like, to hire your own. You you, like, or promote. Oh, yeah. I don't know.
[1:03:31] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Oh my god. I just had, like, a super super stupid use case just now came to my head. Imagine husbands using the AI agent to speak to their wives and vice versa just because they don't wanna deal with stuff. Crazy.
[1:03:47] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Where do you think you'll...
[1:03:48] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Oh, the pets. We're we're pets to
[1:03:51] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: our
[1:03:51] Sunny D @dylN0chill: AIs. My god.
[1:03:54] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Dude, I
[1:03:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think
[1:03:55] Sunny D @dylN0chill: we're more like... Well, like, we're like parents, but we're parents giving birth to something that can be much, much greater than us. And so, like, if you think about it, like, a CEO that has a vision can go set up a start up and, you know, usually starts small and they can get the right people on board to do the the work and be the customers and be the investors. Right? And that that grows and, you know, the biggest companies in the world start that way. With AI agents, they're literally the people who understand how to use these agents are going to be able to build things that change the world at a scale that only corporations and governments could do before. Right? So, like, as we're starting this out, like, if you start off with having one agent that is like OpenAI, you're gonna start learning. Now that's gonna be hard to do because it's kinda designed... It's not designed for you. Like, it's designed to be, like, convenient and to kinda get you caught up in their in their system. Can't move the data, anything like that. Now imagine that you have one where you're actually, like, thinking about this agent like, oh, this is my partner. Like, when this agent gets data, I now have data. When this agent gets tool upgrades, I now have tool upgrades. When this agent builds its network, I now have more agents that I can go talk to. Now when you become successful with that first thing, kind of like after you've hired your first employee as a... As an entrepreneur, now you're in a spot where that agent now can start to employ agents, bring things together. And so, like, I I literally think right now there are individual people who are... Have already started a company with agents that will become a billion dollar company, and they're gonna be the, you know, one of, if not the only employee. Like, we're literally talking about the ability to change the world as a solo entrepreneur. And and that's something people don't think about. But but, like, as you're thinking about your agent, literally think about every responsibility you have... Probably a list of, like, the lowest percent you don't... About, like, when do... Do I pay my, you know, in
[1:06:07] Sunny D @dylN0chill: the next few years? The question is, will it be automated on a system that you're in control of and you own, or are you gonna continue to pay higher and higher prices every year because you've got vendor lock in?
[1:06:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Oh my god. Yo, Dave. Yo.
[1:06:23] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: One thing I just wanted to say. So, Mikey, man, this is a really fucking great conversation, and it's just... I remember, Dave, we... You started telling me about agent and shit. What? And when did I see you? It was, like, November, October, sometime around then. And you were really excited. And I was like, man, what what... You know, this guy's always fucking hyping up something. So I was like, Dave, don't try to get my bags. You're just trying to get me to buy some meme coin bullshit. And, you know, I I bought into the pita shit when you you launched it, and you said you were buying Yo.
[1:06:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Stop bringing up bullshit.
[1:06:59] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: And and I believed you. I should've asked for the fucking receipts, though, but, you know, that's my bad. But, Mikey, dude, you're you're speaking some fucking knowledge and fire. It's also making me think, because, Staxi had said something and, you know, we're gonna have... We're kinda gonna have mediators with our AI agents through kinda almost like a... If you think about, like, therapists. And and it's almost like that now because my wife will say, oh, well, I had I had a chat with my GPT, and he told me that I'm doing really well with my exercise plan. And and so I'll go back to my GPT, and I'll and I'll say, oh, well, my wife said this. What are some things I could say to
[1:07:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: her? So
[1:07:44] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: it's it's happening right now. And so, and then what Mikey is saying, like, I... I've been thinking about that too. I... I've been thinking about, like, I don't know who said it earlier with the the type of interface. It's funny because my daughter, she's gonna be three, and she thinks everything's a fucking touchscreen. So I got all these little paw prints over my MacBooks and shit, and I'm like, no. No, honey. Don't touch that and don't put your fingers all of that shit. But it'll be interesting. Right? Because what will be the new interface? I I don't... I honestly don't think that we'll have mobile phones in twenty five years. And I don't know what it'll look like. It maybe be like a Neuralink, some type of interface like that. And then going back to Mikey's point, I think we're gonna have agents for everything. Almost like there's an app for that. They're gonna say there's an agent for that. There was a... I forgot who created it. I I think you mentioned it, Mikey, but there's there's just a new concept called ax, agentic ex... User experience. Mikey, do you know about that? I don't know enough about that. Tell us about that shit. That's that's the kind of shit... Like, I'm like, okay. The world is already pivoting, and the only people who really know about that shit are the people right here on x talking about it. And then five years later, I'm like, man, this came out of nowhere. And these motherfuckers have been talking about it for years on on x. So that... That's why I love this place.
[1:09:08] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Yeah. So, I mean, it it is very clear that AI and AI agents are are the technology that has, like, leverage going into the future. And there's a lot of pieces that need to get built for them. And so just to give you some background, I started working in AI in 2017. We built the first systems that allowed kinda, like, the early researchers to take their models that they built in the laboratory and get them to global scale on, like, Amazon and Google's infrastructure. So Google was an investor. We did the United Nations Global Data Project. I was a delegate to the United Nations, Nike, Toyota, Merck. So I kinda got to watch as this industry came together. And it was very clear to us even at the time, we knew that the blockchain was going to be needed to control, the behavior of these agents. And that's because, without something like a blockchain, there's no way to coordinate truth between everything. And so and so, I've been building... You know, since 2021, I think, kinda made the pivot into web three from AI and was just like, okay. This is the place to be. And most work that's being done in AI agents and the agent experience is being done for developers because they're building tools for themselves because things are moving so fast. But what that leaves is that leaves the consumer experience way behind what's happening everywhere else. And so what we really identified, you know, over a year ago now is that the best experience, for web three is the one where all the tools can connect and we can actually, innovate without permission. Another way to think about that is if we can put out kind of like the iOS, right, that... You already have a device. So if we can put out iOS and we can make a standard to turn every other agent in the world into an app in the App Store, then we can be in a spot where everybody can have access to the best technology as soon as it is rolled out to the open source world. And that usually happens within a few weeks of a multibillion dollar company that spent all the money releasing theirs. And so we're at a spot where, literally, we can be two weeks behind Google with our own agents, and we wanna see that happening. And so when we think about the user experience, we're thinking about, you know, like, the app that you're gonna get to experience this spring. It's gonna be really clean. It's gonna feel like you're using OpenAI on your own machine, using your own, your own data sources that you can feel really confident that nobody else is using. But as this thing grows, now they don't have to ask for permission. So all of the 70 partners of the Independent AI Institute, they'll be innovating and and bringing their products to the customers. And once you start seeing this flywheel happen, then within Web three, we get the same kind of flywheel that's allowed Sam Altman to become, you know, a many, many billion dollar company. I I don't even know what the number's at. Getting close to... Is it hundreds of billions? Maybe even 1,000,000,000,000 at this point? 300,000,000,000. 300,000,000,000. Yeah. And so so, like, if we can actually, like... Fuck. I don't even care which platform we choose. Let's choose the best platform as Web three. Let's get behind it, and let's build this network because, like, not only is that going to be a good thing from just, like, the the crypto side of things, but, like, from a world standpoint, if we we actually got the message across to the world, hey. We wanna own our intelligence. They will build that for us. We just have to say we want that, and we'll pay for it. By the way, I gotta get you a product meeting, so I'm gonna leave in a few minutes here if I have to jump between, calls.
[1:12:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No worries, Mikey. Incredible. Just really quick before we go to Kent. Mikey, last thing... One quick thing before you have before you have to jump. Can you just explain, like, the differences? Because we saw OpenAI come out and say they're going open weight. What's the difference between open weight and open source so people genuinely understand?
[1:12:34] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Okay. So, a model... Like, the code inside of a model is called weights, And you can think about it like, you can think about it like, hey. Let... Let's say that let's say that you have 50 different coins that you wanna invest in. And the way that you allocate to the... To each one of those coins right now, like, I'm gonna give 10% to this, three percent to that. Like, that's weights. Right? Like, you are you are saying this is the value that I attribute to each of these things. Well, AI basically turns all data into a number. And so by giving those weights, you're showing, like, you're showing almost, like, the genetics or the DNA of what makes that code work. And so somebody else can come in and they can look at that, but that doesn't give them the tools to be able to, like, necessarily recreate it or change it. And so that's called... Like, a fully open source model would come with, like... In in addition to all the weights would come with, like, the data and the the pieces that you could use to reconstruct it. It's really nice when weights are open because you can then pre... You know, you can you can do all these different training things on it. But, like, the reality is, like, under... OpenAI called themselves OpenAI, and and they could have really earned that title. In fact, they became the most closed of the of the large research shops. You know, Elon suing them because of how much he said that they, you know, they they misinformed their investors or their their donors on what they were actually gonna do in it. And Sam Altman's even gone so far as to create, like, an actual, tech... Piece of technology that's called an orb that he says, hey. Our AI is gonna replace everybody's jobs, and so they're gonna need to get money from somewhere. So his idea for WorldCoin is I'm gonna get everybody to look into my orb, and then I'm gonna give them a universal basic income. So I'm gonna give them 1 WorldCoin a day, and and I hope that everybody trusts me to be the world king, because I'm gonna offer money and intelligence to everybody. And I'm gonna call the thing OpenAI, and it's gonna be the most closed system. Like, it feels to me, like, at least for for me and my decisions that I'm making, that feels like a... An evil super villain, in development, and I'm staying way the hell away from ever looking in that orb.
[1:14:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's fucking go, Mikey. I mean, that's every sentiment we've literally echoed in this entire space since we fucking mean cool started this whole shit. So, Mikey, I can't thank you enough for being here. Please come back. I know you're gonna be here for another couple of days with us this week and then... And the upcoming weeks leading up to your mint. But, yeah, we'll chat more about that stuff as we go, but I wanted you to get
[1:15:10] Kool @koolcryptovc: so much y'all.
[1:15:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thanks, Mikey. Let's go. Yo. Incredible stuff. Bildo, thank you obviously for obviously connecting us and and bringing Mikey here and think and and all this stuff, man. This was, like, this is... Like, this is really good shit.
[1:15:24] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Absolutely. Another legend, man. I mean, he really came in. It'd be, like, kinda drops some knowledge, then he's like, you know what? I gotta go real quick. I've enjoyed the conversation. I'm gonna drop you with all these knowledge bombs and then let you think and discuss about it. And I'll be back later this week to talk more. So have some notes to do. But... Yeah. I mean, Mikey's a legend. What he's built in the past has been pretty crazy and some of what their team has accomplished in the AI space. Like, I mean, identifying what's, like, real or an AI image than selling it to the government. Like, they really do know their stuff when it comes to to the whole AI aspect of it. So, yeah, I'm I'm incredibly grateful that he is coming on the show to kinda expand that knowledge base a bit more.
[1:16:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Yeah. Kanter, thanks for being patient, man. Chime in, bro.
[1:16:15] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Yeah. No worries. It really resonate a lot with Maggie's points on AI. Somebody was asking about the point I made earlier about the the interface for AIs. And I really do think, like, within the next six months to a year, that that is all going to change. And what I mean by that is... I don't know. You can imagine that even today, it's changing quite rapidly. You don't go on Google anymore. Google... You would go into google.com. You'd search what you're looking for, and that's becoming replaced really quickly with just talking to an agent. Today, we still go on websites. Like, in the context of Web three, we go on websites to go and mint NFTs, buy, and trade assets. That's all going to go away. And if you think about, like, how the user experience has gone over the last ten years, raise your hand right now in this room if you feel like it's actually gotten competitively better. And I I think without a doubt, we'll all say that it's been minor minor changes to a large degree, and the fact is that the technology is just so complicated. And like Mikey was saying, we don't have an iOS version of Web three. We don't have an Apple version of Web three. But AI agents, they change that completely. We won't... We're going to get, you know, in a really short amount of time, a position where AI agents are your interface for web three. You wanna buy a token, you talk to your agent. You want to lend and borrow, you talk to your agent. You want to add collateral. You talk to your agent. You won't go to any website anymore. That's something that we're just gonna toss away, I think, very, very quickly as the space evolves. And as
[1:17:57] Voice K: we
[1:17:57] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: do add all these open source connectors into AI agents so that they can communicate with all of the dApps. So, essentially, your AI agents become both the customer and the consumer of Web three technology in the most open financial experiment that we're currently undergoing, which is blockchain technology. And and as I mentioned earlier, AI agents, they don't care about what chain they're on. They don't care for maximalism. They just care about where's the yield, where am I gonna get the best result for the operation that I'm currently trying to complete right now. And I think that, without a doubt, is the future that we're heading into, you know, six months, a year, two years from now. Everything that you know about this space will start flipping on its head, and so it's a really good time if you're not already to start researching and learning. And also thinking about the fact, like, if you run a business today of any kind, right, even, like, a simple thing like Dave, I don't know if you do sponsorships with your space. Your AI agent could be your personal customer and b to b interface where people will be actually creating or asking for sponsorships through your personal Dave agent. Right? And it'll be taking different kinds of crypto, and it doesn't matter what crypto, Bitcoin, Solana, whatever. Your agent could just go and figure that out through all of the open source tooling that it's plugged into as a whole. That's the future we're heading into where your customers are no longer people and consumers. They're other agents. Your users are other agents. That's, I think, the true future for web three, and that'll be the biggest unlock for the user experience layer of this new financial system that we're trying to build together.
[1:19:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. That's it, bro. Look. I'm I'm starting just to use, like, the AI tools at my disposal, but, man, I I am longing the day that I could just have an agent just essentially, like, act on my behalf for fucking all of it. Great stuff, Kanter. 100% agree. Mikey g, welcome to ATC, man. We haven't spoken before, but welcome, bro.
[1:20:10] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: How's it going, man? Yeah. I just hopped in because I saw Mikey's name, and I just actually dropped the podcast. I talked to Mikey for over an hour and a half. So if you're all as blown away as I am by that man, I actually go through his whole story and what he's doing with ThinkAgents if anybody's interested. And then I wanted to give him a shout out, but he had to go to a product meeting. But, also, I just think agents are... I I I agree with everybody. What everybody's saying here is they're gonna change the world, and it's happening quickly. So anybody that's in the audience listening to this, if you don't know what any of this means, start finding it out yesterday. That's my only advice.
[1:20:52] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Yeah. When you guys
[1:21:00] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Oops. Sorry.
[1:21:01] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: I'm a... Somebody caught a house.
[1:21:03] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Yeah. Sorry about that. I I heard the podcast that you did with Mikey, and I would highly encourage anybody to check it out. Very good listen. Quite a lot of stuff dropped in that. And, yeah, I I thoroughly enjoyed it. So I appreciate it.
[1:21:19] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Thanks, man. I'll pin it up to the top if you don't... If if you want me to.
[1:21:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. 100%. Sorry. I... The... They got to move the thumbs down away from the thumbs up, man. Like, I can't be doing this emoji game. Like, when your finger slips, then all of a sudden, you see... People are thinking you're doing the same thing wrong. Mikey, please, like, pin that up, bro. I would love to, like, educate every exactly. That's what I'm saying. See, Landy. Yeah. Landy comes to life now, these motherfuckers. Of course. Only to cook meat. Like, you... Exactly. You see? This is how it works. I'm glad everybody's fucking awake now. Mikey, please pin that to the top. That would be amazing. Incred... Like, I wanna be able to hear and consume as much of this ThinkAgent content as possible. I don't care where it comes from, these fucking idiots. Rookie, welcome, man. What's up?
[1:22:03] Voice K: Yo, guys. What up? Yo. Actually, the conversations have been nice. I just... Actually, this is the first time I'm, like, on stage, you know, with you guys. I just got in because Landy was on stage. So, yeah, you know, I really couldn't add to the macro topic because, you know, I'm not a macro, bro. Like, Randy, neither am I, and AI expert like Mikey. So... But, yeah, I learned a lot. I was actually gonna pop off, so I just wanted to, you know, give you guys a shout out and be like, okay. So, yeah, I'm a catch you guys later probably.
[1:22:37] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: Much love, brother. Thanks,
[1:22:39] Voice K: Ricky. Yeah. You.
[1:22:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Landy, go figure. People actually really do give a shit about the stuff you say, bro. See? It's
[1:22:44] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: not just...
[1:22:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Well, see? Well, the funny part is this... Oh, Ricky, Much love, brother. I was gonna say here... Here's the here's the funny part is most people have no freaking clue. They just know me as the Bitcoin chart guy, which I think is is a funny cover for the bullshit that I used to get up to. So it's it's always interesting when... And it's honestly... And I I have to shout out Dave, Cool, and Nat. Dave is one of the main reasons why I started speaking on stages because I was in a different type of an environment and event that I was speaking and stuff, and I got a little chance to, like, talk to people. But then I was like, it was over. I wasn't really gonna do much. And Dave sent me an invite to come up on on the stage here, I was like, you know what? I like talking to Dave. I love cool and Nat. And, you know, me and Dave at the time, little tension. Little tension there. There's a little tension.
[1:23:40] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: I remember those days.
[1:23:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. And... Oh, Staxi, I forgot. Because you're a listener. I miss you, Staxi. But there's a little bit of tension there. And let me tell you something. There is no better place to be than right here right now. And where would you rather be than right here right now? Sorry. I gotta I gotta pull an old Marv Levy quote from the Buffalo Bills there. Sorry, Giants fans and Jets fans. But
[1:24:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Don't be sorry. We... You literally missed three field goals in
[1:24:09] Sunny D @dylN0chill: a row.
[1:24:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like, we're... You're fine. Like, we actually Shut up. No. Don't don't go there. Stop it. Stop Stop I mean, I would tell you. See, is one
[1:24:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: of his tension.
[1:24:16] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: I was surprised that he said macro refer... Referring to Landia, not micro referring
[1:24:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: to Landia. I knew that was on its way.
[1:24:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait, guys. Did you ever? I never thought in my entire web three career that we would actually... Have two landies on stage. But lo and behold, now this NFT landy is a very, very, very good friend of mine who I met through the minted morning spaces. Landy, it was... NFT, Landy, it's great to have you. How are you?
[1:24:46] Voice I: I'm so good, Dave. It's so good to see you. I feel like we haven't spoken for ages. I was just literally thought I was going mad when you were saying, oh, yeah, Landy. Like this, and I was, like, going, wait. What? I'm not doing anything. And then I started doing all the thumbs down and having a laugh at the thing, and then I was just, is there some weird delay on me that I'm doing the? And then you said Landy again, and I was like... You were saying, well, Landy's on stage. And I was like, no. I'm not. Am I? I didn't request to speak like this. And then I realized there's two fucking Landys? I mean, hello, Landy.
[1:25:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hi, Landy. It's nice to meet you finally.
[1:25:24] Voice I: Nice to meet you, Landy. Andrew, and I can't see your PFP, but I did have a look and it's a puppet, and I'm a puppet too. So, you know, world peace and all that. So...
[1:25:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hell, yeah. World peace. World peace.
[1:25:38] Voice I: Yo. In
[1:25:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: what world did you guys ever think this was conversation would ever be normal? Like... It's so weird.
[1:25:46] Voice I: It's so weird. I...
[1:25:48] Landy @CryptoLandy: We're just gonna say bonjour.
[1:25:50] Voice I: Yeah. Bonjour. Exactly. Take it to zero.
[1:25:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let let how are you?
[1:25:57] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: How's everything going?... Bitcoin people here. Yeah.
[1:26:00] Voice K: They just found you. You know, you're so... Web three soulmate, kinda.
[1:26:06] Voice I: I know. It's so weird. It's so funny. But I'm loving this conversation about agents as well, though. I really... I just... I'm finding it all absolutely fascinating. And I remember I was at a conference. It it was at the end of... It was last autumn contagious conference in London on the South Bank, and there was this guy from Apple there. And he did a talk, he basically explained how marketing is basically that... You know, I... I'm in... Like, I'm a creative director in London. I work in marketing. And he said, basically, yeah. No. We're not gonna be marketing to humans anymore very soon. All marketing is gonna be towards agents. Right? And I I complete... As soon as he said it, I was like, oh my god. Yeah. Of course. And then you start sort of going down the... Well, if that means that, then that means... You know? And it's actually quite interesting because, you know, the... Because I work in marketing and advertising, and it's just there's so much shit made. I mean, most of it is such appalling crap. Right? Adverts are... They're such slop, aren't they? You know? And then you get the odd piece of art. And now I think the idea that, you know, people who are real artists and creators who really wanna say something can make things that can, you know, be published and go out on air. But, actually, when it comes down to an advert of someone just trying to get a product to, you know, make someone buy a product, we're not gonna have to listen to any of that shit anymore. Right? Because all agents are gonna need the fucking facts. Right? They're just gonna need, like, you know, where is it? What's the price? What can I get it for? And they'll be, like, scouring around for the best deal for whatever we've... You know, our particular need is. I just think it's gonna cut out so much noise. I think it's gonna be beautiful.
[1:28:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Agreed. That's exactly what they're meant to do, and I'm glad that we got guys like Mikey and ThinkAgents and and Jesse and these guys building what they're building. Guys, like, we're gonna have Mikey on the whole week, the upcoming weeks. Bildo and I are gonna be doing a separate space also with Think as well. Yeah. They got an upcoming mint too. So, I'm gonna let Mikey obviously tell you guys about that, but I just kinda wanted to warm him up out here and, bring him into the ATC crowd. And I appreciate everybody for obviously welcoming him in here and and everybody's minds being open to be able to hear the stuff that he's actually... Like, the the bombs that he's actually dropping out here and, like, genuinely, like, what it means and how much of a difference it can make. But the most rare title I've never thought I'd type, biggest crypto crash ever, ThinkAgent and Landy squared. I would have never thought I'd write that title. In a million years, I never would have thought I'd write that title.
[1:28:56] Voice I: I love that so much. Oh my god. I'm gonna have to screenshot this. This is so...
[1:29:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: But, guys, this is the......
[1:29:04] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Both have puppets. Like, how crazy is that?
[1:29:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: And they both have puppets. Go figure.
[1:29:07] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: No. But that's even, like, a bigger coincidence, I think.
[1:29:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Dude, the Landis really know each other? Guys, also, don't forget. Shout out Janie, jump start... Follow jump start Janie down there as well. She... We got Mukbang Mondays coming up in an hour. Cool stream is literally starting in sixty seconds, so I implore everybody to go through it. Check out Cool. He's doing crypto headlines. You know, he's got that fancy ass living room. Like, you know, you just feel like you're at home. Like, we're cool doing headlines. So everybody go to and hit the Cool headlines. Buildo, thank you. Landy, incredible fucking stuff today, man. Thank you for the coverage. Staxi, it's great to see your face again, my dear. Please come back more often. Sunny d, the best engagement farmer we got. Landy squared. Meta Beast, we didn't hear from you all episode, Meta Beast. We got... We gotta get you to chime in more, bro. We gotta get you to chime in.
[1:29:56] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Real quick, I jumped into GenSpark, doing some Blender script to create three d objects, and I must say it's impressed me quite a bit compared to all the rest. So there you go.
[1:30:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We're gonna geek out. We geeked out earlier today on Crypto Magic Hour. If you didn't see that, it is one... Probably one of the most impactful AI episodes I think I've ever made, showing you guys how we can genuinely build a fucking business out here. And you might see some funny characters of fucking Buildo, which
[1:30:24] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: was Okay.
[1:30:25] Stacksy.btc @Stacksybtc: I'm like, maybe we don't we don't promote.
[1:30:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. No. Definitely go check it out. Definitely Nate, just
[1:30:30] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: a quick question.
[1:30:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[1:30:31] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Quick question. Do these people know that you can, like, get yield on Bitcoin and stablecoins now, or you didn't tell them?
[1:30:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Tell them.
[1:30:40] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: But why you didn't tell them? Like, it's kinda your
[1:30:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. We we do tell them. Landy has a Hermetica badge. You know what I mean? And, like Yeah. He's... That's his responsibility.
[1:30:48] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: I haven't noticed. Nice.
[1:30:52] Landy @CryptoLandy: So what? Yes. You can actually get about 20% yield right now. I believe it's still a 20 yield on your USDH when you stake it.
[1:31:00] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: On... Wait. People don't know what that is. We have a Bitcoin backed stablecoin now that yields to 25%. Like, I am such a fan. Like, I'm using it all the time, and I'm not even working with them. I'm just, like, excited about them for over half a year now. So I keep telling everyone. And then Bitflow, you can literally get yield on your Bitcoin... In Bitcoin. Like, there's so much stuff happening now, and I feel like people just still don't know. And then, yeah, it makes me sad. Anyways, it's not for this space, but,
[1:31:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: like, yeah. Yeah. No. No. We're not gonna end off on that.
[1:31:36] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Anyone has questions, my DMs are open. Yeah.
[1:31:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Thanks, Daqsi. And, guys, you know what I just noticed? There's literally crypto landy and NFT landy. I'm gonna let you guys just ponder on that. That's it. That's ATC for Monday. Check out Mondays in an hour. Me, Janie, Spiv's gonna be on. Saffy's gonna be on. Go check out cool in his headlines. Build appreciate you. Fucking sexy. Bill, yo. Like, both landies. Meta Beast, appreciate you. Mikey g, rookie, thanks for coming through, man, and we'll see y'all tomorrow. Peace.