All Things Crypto w/Dave, Kool & NatNat

# All Things Crypto w/Dave, Kool & NatNat | 2025-04-08 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1OyJALnvjQnGb | status: approved
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[0:00:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I'm not gonna subject you guys to that music. Come on now.
[0:01:43] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let's go fucking.
[0:03:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. All I gotta do is play that song. Buildo, just so you know. We When said what type of audience do we have? Fucking old ones. That's what we have. I've never... It's like... Don't think the last time I got that.
[0:03:53] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Excuse me, sir. No. What you have is an audience with a good taste in music. Yeah.
[0:04:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. It's just funny because, though, that was like, just... We just... I just need to know, like, you know, for for bringing Aaron on, like, what kind of audience do we have? And I'm like, do you want, like, analytics? I could've just played, like, sweet child of mine and told you, like, we got Gen Xs and fucking boomers in here, bro. That's who we are. It is what it is. Fact... Fun fact. I I literally saw Guns and Roses at Giant Stadium three fucking times, some of the best damn shows I've ever been to in my life. Yeah, man. Vincent, we don't normally go to hands right from the jump. What's up, man?
[0:04:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: No, man. That that totally took me back to Friday nights in high school drinking Mad Dog and smoking a Swisher Sweet before we went into the bowling alley to do rock and bowl on Friday nights, baby.
[0:04:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's right. When the highlight of your weekend was bowling. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, we've come a long way. Maybe we should go back to bowling. I don't know.
[0:04:49] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's... That was better than cruising University Avenue like we did.
[0:04:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: You went to college? That's nice.
[0:04:59] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Well, I have... Yes. I have I have an ass degree. But, no. That was just... University Avenue was what it was called, and we would drive up and down it for whatever reason and park here and there and maybe drink or whatever. Yeah. Was, yeah, it was exciting. I'm telling you.
[0:05:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. In Brooklyn, that's what we called 86th Street. So, like, you know, you have all the cuisines driving up and down with the iRock fucking z's, you know, with the t tops off, Like, just literally three blocks up and three blocks back. Three blocks up and three blocks back. So, yeah, I guess everybody had their university have or whatever it was. It is what it is. Landy, I didn't know if you're gonna be with us today, bro, but I'm glad you're here, man. What's good?
[0:05:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey. Give me just a minute because I'm on the move. I know. But I'm doing good. It's great to be here. I'll talk to you in a minute. I think Randy's cruising the mall. Yeah.
[0:05:53] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Oh. Quickly, do you think those legs are spinning right now?
[0:05:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know, like the Flintstones when they would like, yeah. But I'm gonna do it. And they would just, get the car going. You know what mean? Wee. Guys, like, stop stop it. This is serious Landy this weekend. He's in DC. He's lobbying. He's working polls with, like on the move. Yeah. Exactly. He's on the move.
[0:06:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: They must be short polls.
[0:06:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I don't know what that means. I'm on the move. Like, what is it? Like a CIA operation going on out here? Jason Bourne? Alright. Cool. What's up, bro?
[0:06:25] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yo. Yo. What's up, sir? I'm late, man. I I kinda lost track of time. Nah. What's up? How you guys doing, man? What was this show? Let's do it. I'm ready to go. What's going on?
[0:06:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: None. Landy says that there's some sort of, like... You know, he's on the move right now. I can't say... He showed up, but, like, it's very, like, you know, very fluid situation. We don't really know what the hell that even means, to be honest, but he said he said it's touch and go. You know?
[0:06:48] Kool @koolcryptovc: He he said he said in DC, right, I think?
[0:06:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[0:06:54] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Oh, you're still get a quant
[0:06:55] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm just get a quant. One second.
[0:06:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright, Landy. Actually, like, what... Like, while you do that, guys, it's only customary. We... I've been... We've been meaning to do this for a minute. Bill don't really have this amazing idea. So while while we... Like, you know, while Lindy is obviously, like, you know, saving the world, Jason Bourne style, we figured we'd play this, Lindy, just to inspire you in DC because you're doing such great things. Here we go.
[0:08:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You can see Landy walking around high school with, like, his Walkman on, like, his Walkman head felt like those yellow, like, Sony or Panasonic, like, Walkmans. Remember? I just listened to this be like, yeah. I wish I was a little bit taller. I wish I was a baller. Wish I had a girl with a rat man and a hat with a bat and a 06/04 Impala. Yeah. Landy, just wanted to say that you're doing great things out here. We appreciate the work you're putting in. We love the growth.
[0:09:17] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Appreciate you. We see the growth. You guys.
[0:09:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: You guys. Alright. That was that was legitimately hilarious. I'm in an area where I can actually talk a
[0:09:27] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: little bit
[0:09:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: here. I literally have been. It was it was nice and calm until right around 02:00. So just getting in, getting settled. We got a place out here that I'm... I was literally just dragging shit into the house. So I'm actually out of breath because there was a lot of stuff to bring with me. And I'm literally here for one thing tomorrow, and then I'm getting on a fucking plane. I'm going back.
[0:10:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Why do I do this? Welcome to the East Coast time zone, Landy. You know?
[0:10:06] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Where
[0:10:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: It sucks because I'm not hungry for dinner, but I need dinner.
[0:10:11] Kool @koolcryptovc: Hey, Landy. Did you use DCA or IAD? What what did you use?
[0:10:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: We went in... We... Look. I I would love to talk about it, but we're not gonna... Yeah. I got here. That's all we're gonna talk about. Cool. Yeah. And I am... I... I'm I'm being serious. I have one meeting tomorrow, then we're gone. But I'm not I'm not in DC right at this moment. We are going to be in DC very soon,
[0:10:38] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: though.
[0:10:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: That is where the meeting is taking place.
[0:10:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: What what do they call the DC Baltimore area? Like, the three... What do they call it? The tri... Like, what's... Is it called Tri State?
[0:10:48] Kool @koolcryptovc: It's d d... DMV, man.
[0:10:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: DMV. Right. Right. Right.
[0:10:52] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. DMV.
[0:10:53] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Where do the, like, private jets land? That's a good question, though.
[0:10:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Where do the private jets landy? Exactly.
[0:11:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: At at... Even at your flight support?... They all land at, Bildo.
[0:11:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: He said, cool. Cool. So what airport do you find? He said, hey. Hey. Hey. Yo. What the fucking questions? Relax. Alright.
[0:11:13] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Guys Signature.
[0:11:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Just listen. This is a man that takes his anonymity and his non doxing, like, serious. You know what I mean? At the end of the day.
[0:11:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: So you know somebody that grok... Tried to dox me the other day?
[0:11:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. For real? Did they find you?
[0:11:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. But it found one of my mentors. It's kinda wild. Hi, Chris. Chris figured it out.
[0:11:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Crit... Hey, Chris. Get up here, bro. I need to I need the goods, bro. Like, get up here, Chris. I need to understand who this guy is. We're gonna invite him on. We're gonna talk to this guy. I wish I was a
[0:11:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: little Yeah. Gonna, yeah, get to talk to him, but it would be fun.
[0:11:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Chris, if anything just come up here, just so we could bash you from Microsoft shit. Whatever. Oh, hey. Oh, Chris. What's up?
[0:12:00] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: I did. So
[0:12:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: What'd you what'd you find out about Landy? You found the skinny out about who Landy? Who is Crypto Landy?
[0:12:06] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: Landy could be... No. No. It was one of his mentors, but it was totally... It was hilarious because he's like, he posted something. I'm all... What is... I'm all... What does that mean about... Talking about the Six Sigma event? I know Six Sigma from high-tech, not from, like, the financial world. And... Right? So he's all, well, click on Brock, and I'll give you an Easter egg. And then it's like, Brock's telling me, like, like, who he is. Like, basically, it's what Brock was saying. Likely this person, Aaron Landy. Like like, it... You know, I'm like, what? No. But that's not him
[0:12:45] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: after all.
[0:12:46] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: You know? So Brock's a big fat fat conspiracy theorist. We know this about Grock. It likes to guess wrong shit all the time.
[0:12:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: Did you ever go to the the Brevin Howard offices in New York?
[0:13:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. What? My cousin used to work for Brevin Howard. Are you serious?
[0:13:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: Small world, brother.
[0:13:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Shut the fuck. Are you serious, Lendy? Yes, sir. My my... Yo. My cousin was an investment banker in Switzerland for Brevin Howard. I swear to god. Oh, this is a small world.
[0:13:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: Small world, brother. It's a
[0:13:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: small world. My god. Imagine me and Landy, long lost cousins. Go figure. Oh my god.
[0:13:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: And we're both from New York.
[0:13:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Hey, buddy. Yeah. Wait. I'm I'm... Landy, I'm gonna show... I'm a I'm a DM you a name. I'm I'm a DM you my cousin's name. You tell me if it sounds familiar. Okay? Anyway Will do. Yeah. Good stuff. And shout out to miss Gekko. Shout out to miss Gekko. Guys, ATC is sponsoring the Gekko calendar this week. Do you know this? Every single person in this room should be retweeting the Gekko calendar number one, and she's got some crazy shit coming tomorrow. So shout out, Gekko. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to sponsor. Yo. That shit... Bro, that calendar gets 15, 20,000 impressions, like, just being put out, and she puts out a daily one every day. So ATC this week, reset Sunday next week, crypto magic hour the following week. Support the people that are out here supporting you on a daily basis, period. End of story. That's it. Gex, appreciate you. I see everybody in the building. What up, Prez? What's good? Janey, Vibe, Jack. Metabeast, you heard... He said he said... Somebody said Easter eggs. I think it was was it Chris that said Easter eggs, Meta Beast? You hear that? It's crazy.
[0:14:35] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. I tried to block it out.
[0:14:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, why is the Easter egg thing not going good in in Decentraland?
[0:14:41] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I just I just need a break from it. Shout out Old Guy Barbecue.
[0:14:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, shout out cold
[0:14:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: face here. Maybe maybe some barbecue mayonnaise wars going on.
[0:14:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm by the barbecue. No. I'm by the barbecue. No. I can't see you by the barbecue. That's all I heard, like, last time I went to the central end. These these guys just arguing. Anyways, appreciate everybody being here. Was good., what up? Mars Mars, what are you doing, bro? Like, get... Like, what's the deal? You gotta get up here. Tell us what an amazing host we are, elite status. You know, before we start the show, we
[0:15:14] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: gotta get into a good
[0:15:15] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: mood out
[0:15:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: here. Guys, I have two wall chain quack invites to give out. I'm literally, like, I'm going from one cofounder to another cofounder. I think I'm up to, like, nine now at this point. So you know me, but I don't give a shit. I'm like, guys, I got people that qualify out here. I need invites. You know? Let's go. And the founders are super responsive. Shout out to Max and that whole team. Like, people were having issues logging in or whatever, but he resolved all that shit today. So I'm glad everybody was finally, able to log in, get their quacks, see what they got. Yeah, man. Retweet the space guys. Engage with us, with me, with cool, with every single person up here, Landy, Buildo. Like, you know the drill. Let me say what's up. Peaches is up here. Peaches, long time no speak, bro. What's up?
[0:15:58] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: Man, I'm alright, man. Can you hear
[0:16:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: me? Yes, sir.
[0:16:03] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: Alright. Man, Jim, Jim. Dave, you know what's up? I actually saw Lendi today at the airport. You know? I was like, Lendi, what's up, man? This is Peaches, man. Man, he see... Was like, who who is this guy? I mean I mean, Peaches from Dave's, you know, from Cook. He was like, I don't know you, man. I said, come on. I was trying to hold this. He was like, he was running. Leave me alone. You know, I don't know you, man. Leave me... I was like, come on, man. This is Peach. Man, Lenny was running away from me, though. So I was like, man, I have to I have to, you know, just have to back out because he was, like, screaming. Who this guy? I don't know this guy, dude. Man, I was like, Landy, you don't know me. Man, I was like...
[0:16:42] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You must be tall.
[0:16:44] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: Damn, man. I was like...
[0:16:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: How'd you even see... Yeah. How'd you even see him, peaches?
[0:16:48] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: I saw I saw him with Chris. You know, they were, like, talking, man, they were going to, like, you know, fuck up space today. You know? I was like, man, you you really? Like, I was like, damn, man. This is this is crazy, though.
[0:17:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's cold, Landy. That ain't right, bro.
[0:17:02] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: Man, this is not
[0:17:03] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: right.
[0:17:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: I mean, I'm your I'm
[0:17:04] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: your guy, Landy, man. Why why why could you do something like that to your guy, man?
[0:17:08] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: But it's like... It's all good.
[0:17:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: Little little did I know he was he was the FBO operator. So
[0:17:13] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: I... Yeah. What to do, man? It's all good. Man, I definitely... I'll catch up with you in the meeting later on, I guess. So let's go, man. Cool. To us.
[0:17:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nigerian operatives, California poll workers. What's going... Guys, you never know. It could be your next door neighbor. Cool. Like, you got 12 houses, bro. You better, like, scope out who the neighbors are. I'm telling you right now because you never know. You have Jason Bourne or fucking crypto landy living next door. You know what I mean? Damn. It's crazy.
[0:17:41] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: Man, that's the same people, Dave. Exactly. Those are the same people. Because Landy is Jason Bourne.
[0:17:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[0:17:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: I wish, bro. Dude, those are good movies.
[0:17:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Are you shorter than Matt Damon?
[0:17:57] Landy @CryptoLandy: Matt Damon.
[0:17:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Matt Damon. Thanks and bean.
[0:18:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, that was one of the best comebacks I've... I've literally heard out of you in a minute. And, guys, yesterday, in case you missed it, we had not one, but two landies on the stage. We had crypto landy on stage, and we also had NFT landy on stage, who, by the way, is a real person, just so y'all know. Yeah. Two landies. The world ain't big enough out here. I think that's what it was. It was, like, the world was telling you you gotta go cross country now, Landy. But, Landy, in all seriousness, like, can you give us, like, any insight as to what you are doing? I know you're there for, obviously, a super important meeting, but is it in regards to, like, this tariff stuff, like like, anything that you can say? I don't wanna put you in I don't wanna jam you up, obviously, but, like, anything you can say?
[0:18:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: The only thing I can say is that I'm here to talk about the thing that I'm most passionate about in this space.
[0:18:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Copy. So feet. Alright. Yes. Okay.
[0:19:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: Very, very, feet on very... And smaller humans than me, other little people like myself.
[0:19:08] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Yeah. I need white socks.
[0:19:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: Which is only appropriate, by the way. Only appropriate if you also are a little person.
[0:19:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ah, okay. So can I
[0:19:17] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: make some guesses then he doesn't have to? I mean, what is he most passionate about? Two things. Bitcoin and decentralization. Those are... In my opinion, those are the two things Landy is most passionate about. Like, what do you think, dude? I could be wrong. I
[0:19:33] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: think he likes charts. Yeah. He talks about charts quite a bit. He seems to be pretty passionate about charts.
[0:19:39] Bulla🍌🪑💀 @BullaisQuirkie: I'm here to I'm
[0:19:40] Landy @CryptoLandy: here to help, president Trump revise his charts a little bit.
[0:19:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know what I you know what I love is when, like, Bitcoin price is tanking, and I see Landy go to the timeline because he gets so much more viral. He's like, oh, no. He gets so nasty, but, like, nasty funny. He's like, oh, no. Cheaper sets. What is everyone gonna do? And I'm like, look at this fucking guy. Literally unleashing on the timeline when Bitcoin is tanking and people's lives are, like, you know, in the... Hanging in the balance. Landy's like, boo hoo. Damn, Landy.
[0:20:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I I get kinda brutal because everyone always complains that they want cheaper sets. And then when they get cheaper sets, they they start whining and crying, and it's, oh, no. My bags are down. And it's like, hey. Last time that you that you said this... First off, let me... Because I'm in a position where I can actually talk now. We were here, we were actually lower than where price is right now on October 24, November 5, and into November 7. Right? That's that's when we were at this price before. It was November 7. Not that long ago. It was about a little over a quarter ago that we were here. Could it go further? Abso fucking lutely. Excuse my language. But, of course, it could go further. But we have in the cards right now a lot of fear in markets. We have Bitcoin, the best damn asset on the planet being adopted by everyone that we know. Shout out to Bitbonds. And... Look. Let's see if that happens, though. There's a lot of crazy shit that I'm reading across the timeline that is front running narratives, and then now the bigger guys in the room are actually latching on to them. The Larry's of the world are like, yep. Could go down another 20%. Look at that recession. It's a recession or yo, it's so funny. I love it.
[0:21:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Six Sigma Vincent....
[0:21:50] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Passionate about Bitcoin in that con... That little discussion. So...
[0:21:55] Landy @CryptoLandy: It... You never know. You never know. I I... You know, happened to finally get this fucking computer turned on for to see that it's at the same price that it was around trading at this time yesterday. And here's the really big thing. Could it fall further? Absolutely. The biggest thing right now is everyone is getting wrapped up in the overall narratives of what is occurring surrounding that evil, evil word, the one that everyone is terrified of, and that's gonna pass. Next week, we're all gonna become tax attorneys. So just... It's okay. Just think about taxes because that's what's next.
[0:22:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: So it... It's hard to make sense of this. Right? And cool. Let's let's jump into it. Pete, just give me a second. I wanna jump into the convo already. Like, we we we fucked around a little bit. A little bit too long in the intro, but... Cool. I saw Watcher Guru today. Says president Trump says that we're taking in $2,000,000,000 a day from tariffs. He understands this position of power. Literally, quote, tariffs are on. And he's telling everybody, stop being like these little panic sissies. Like, enough. But when... Like you guys were saying... Because, like, I was asking... I talking to my parents yesterday, and I'm like, do you feel the difference at the store? Like, is there is there anything to this eggs thing? Like, are groceries more expensive? He's like, no. Gas? Not really. No. Not really. Like, they don't... We're not really...
[0:23:20] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: At least here
[0:23:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: in New York, which is surprising, but $2,000,000,000 a day in tariffs. And he's like, tariffs are fucking on, but yet we lost 1,500,000,000,000 from the stock market today. Cool. How are people supposed to make sense of this shit?
[0:23:35] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. So so so it it all it all depends where you get where you're getting your your information from. I think if you are on crypto TR and Twitter in general, you're more likely... You you more likely understand what's kinda going on, and you kinda get... It might take time. Right? You're kinda more open minded. If you're watching mainstream media, they're giving you fake info. They're just feeding you fear. So today... Yesterday. Right? Yeah. Yesterday, the sky was falling. Right? You had mainstream media. I don't watch the news. I do... I see clips on Twitter. So the mainstream media, they have nasty headlines. Oh, we know Trump's tariffs crashed the market, all in red, bold letters. People are freaking out. Your four one k is going to zero. That was the headline of your push. Okay? Today, we had a massive pump. Massive. Again, not one word from the mainstream media. We dumped we dumped again the back of the the talk. It's it's it's all a scam. It all depends on where you get your information from. Like I said before, you need to, you know, look at what's going on around you. Where I live, eggs are cheaper. Gas is cheaper. Housing is too pricey, of course. You know, it takes time for this shit to happen. They have they have they have to cut rates, but it all depends on where you get your information from. And I think, of course, we live in a freaking bubble in this space, and you just need to have an open mind and your willingness to learn. But information is key because if you watch CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, you're getting the wrong information, but they're not really telling you the full truth. Twitter is weird because there is a lot of a lot of truth here. Yes. And there's also a lot of crap too. But you have to be able to, you know, understand what's going on. You know, tariffs tariffs... I mean, I I I didn't even think they even live yet, man.. Right? It it... You know, it does take a while for it to take effect. But it... It's... It takes you a while, man. And I think there's... I think I think it... It's just on... Unwanted fear. And, like like... And like Landy said, this shit's gonna pass. We're gonna be in a position where tariffs... Well, you know, that word is not gonna move move markets anymore. That's how this... Just give me just give me a play, man. We experienced something similar with China and Bitcoin. China would ban Bitcoin every two seconds, and the and market will crash. That was, like, four years ago. And now, I mean, that effect is done. Like, there was a time when when, you know, we we heard news about about a a China ban. Bitcoin stopped reacting. Elon Musk had the same effect with Dogecoin. He would talk... Would he would mention Dogecoin macro pump up. But after a while, that power goes away. The same thing's gonna happen with tariffs. It's just it's just noise. There's so much noise. It's so crazy. Like... But I think the best thing to do is on... Understand what's happening and educate yourself, and don't let someone tell you what's gonna happen. Go do some research, man. Use AI, and then you can make informed decision for yourself. Because I think the mainstream media is extremely powerful with pushing fake fucking news, man. It's crazy. I... No, Joe. I I saw the news. Oh, four zero one k's gone zero. Trump is passing markets. This morning, the markets, they're pumping. Now they peep. Not a peep. Then it dumps again. They're back again. So just be careful with with with where you get your information from my TV. Okay?
[0:27:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Agreed, man. Because, like, now you see a lot of the Dems that are out here, like, legit, like, taking these opportunities to be like, Trump is doing this. I told you. Like, Chuck Schumer, I'm a... I'm I'm convinced has lost his mind. Like, legit... Like, Chuck Schumer has legitimately gone, like, off the fucking deep end. No. No. Like, he's out here tweeting.
[0:27:48] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. Yeah. No. So the... It's it's it's it's... What's happened is very simple. Right? So right now, Trump's extremely popular by the polls. Right? They've... CNN polls. Right? Whatever polls they are. But the Democrats have a 20... Like, a 20, 19% approval rating. Trump is 40 to 50. They they they have lost the plot, man. They're trying everything they can and see whatever they need to do, but it's it's got... It's it's crazy out there, man. But like I said before, when I'm when I'm in web two land, people are enjoying their lives, man. They... My friend is is is building a pool in his house. His kids are learning tennis. People are doing doing... People are living their lives, man, and they're not they're not, especially if you put yourself in a good position. Most people in this country are just going to work and trying to provide for their family, man. They're not freaking out like the media are trying to portray.
[0:28:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, this is literally the fur... Just to put the cap on it, like, this is the first tweet you see an hour ago that Chuck Schumer tweeted out just to put this in scope. My heart goes out to all those grieving after this tragedy in the Dominican Republic. What
[0:29:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: in what war... Like, of course, it's a tragedy. But, like, this this, like, really makes me think, like, you motherfuckers were literally sending billions of dollars for, like, trans parades and trans operas, like, in fucking the... In the Doctor, and this is how you were doing it. Like, this is the narrative, and this is how they spin it. It's so fucking wild to me. Yeah. Peaches, go for it, bro.
[0:29:29] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: Man, you know what is funny about this space? You know? You know, when when, like, when Bitcoin was, like, at 90 k, but, like, man, this system needs to, like, drop. We need a cheap entry. We need a cheap entry. And now, man, the market is now resetting for good entries. Now everybody is panicking, man. The headlines are so crazy because I want to be paid. You know? I saw a headline like like, this is the end of crypto. Like, one of the people I see in Nigeria made was so crazy. Like, I was like, what is this? This is the end of crypto, man. Like, just 10% away. I don't really get... You know? So this space is so saturated, and it's crazy. So, you know, the best place to get the legit news, man, it depends on who you follow. Follow mainstream media, man, you're lost for sure. You know? So I don't wanna say, like, you know, chipping that. And also, I digress, you know. You always tag Nath Nath on the on the jumbo drum, but where is she though, man? I saw the post now from miss Gecko. Nat Nat is the host. Is she is she still alive though, man?
[0:30:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. That... That's good. That... That's good. I spoke
[0:30:30] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: to her literally this morning. She good.
[0:30:32] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: Tagging her, man. She need to come and speak. I'll say she's good for you.
[0:30:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. She's gonna... She's coming back. She just come back. She just got some... You know, you gotta get get some family time. And if I'm being honest, I'm fucking jealous. I wish I can get away from you knuckleheads for that long. You know what I mean? It'd be amazing, but yet I have to deal with you crazy asses all freaking day. Are you kidding me? Peaches? Yeah.
[0:30:50] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: Let's go, man.
[0:30:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. No. That... That's good. On that note, I also got some big news. There was some massive ripple news, but let me say what's up to our man, Mikey, the bomb dropper from yesterday. Mikey, what's good, my bro? What up? I'm having a
[0:31:03] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: good day. Busy. Just got out of some meetings.
[0:31:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, he's quick with it. He's like, quick meeting. No.
[0:31:10] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: No. Sorry.
[0:31:11] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: But my my... Yeah.
[0:31:12] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: My brain's... You know, you go from you go from meeting mode where it's just, you know, listen and go fast to we're talking on spaces. I'm doing great, man. Like, we're in the process of seeing the entire AI ecosystem be taken out of these walled gardens and made available to everybody. And so there's almost like the gold rush going on right now where everybody who's building AI apps is realizing that these MCPs are, like, the path forward. And so everybody's building as fast as they can, to be the platform that everybody goes on that's, like, essentially your portal to the Internet of agents. So all the web two companies are making their services available via these things, and and the rush is gonna be on for who can bring in consumers and businesses the fastest. And ThinkAgents are kind of, like, perfectly positioned since we've been working on this for over a year to be able to be the platform that that everybody uses. So we're about two weeks away from from our presale that's happening on the twenty second.
[0:32:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, baby. And we're gonna get into it a little bit in a little bit. Chris, give me a second. I wanna cover this news, but, Mike, I will say one thing. What I realized today is there is a massive... There's money out there for people that are actually, like, genuinely building. And I can... I saw today, like, you can offer people money, but they'll still just be... Like, nobody was... Like, a $100 to come up and just pitch an idea and no... Like like, nobody was coming up to, like, pitch an idea. $7,000 for a first place prize in the hackathon. Like, just put an idea together. People couldn't come up with an idea. So to me, there's never been more of an opportunity for, like, the everyday person. Right? Like, the average schmucks like me, you, and everybody, and, like, everybody else out here to be able to really go out and actually do something. Like, either the tools are here. So, Mike, I'm excited to get into this with you. I'm I'm really curious to hear, like, what's going on, like, in a couple weeks with Think and everything else. But, Chris, let me just get to the Ripple news, then we'll we'll we'll circle back to this if that's cool. Is that cool, Chris? Alright. Awesome. Massive massive news from Ripple today. Ripple has acquired Hidden Road. What is Hidden Road, you say? Hidden Road is a prime brokerage firm, and they acquired them for $1,250,000,000, marking it as the first cryptocurrency company to own and operate, not a national, a global multi asset prime broker. I don't think y'all realize how big this is. This acquisition says... It... The the article says, this acquisition aims to integrate traditional finance with DeFi, enhancing services for institutional investors by facilitating trading of both digital and traditional assets. The move is expected to boost the mainstream adoption of cryptocurrencies with Ripple's XRP ledger and its stablecoin RLUSD playing key roles in improving liquidity and enabling efficient cross margining. Cool. Landy, I need y'all to chime in on this one, man. And I don't wanna hear from Bill though, obviously, but massive, massive move from fucking Ripple today.
[0:34:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not everybody at once. Who?
[0:34:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Jason Bourne, you go first.
[0:34:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. I mean, they're they're gonna keep making more and more moves like this. This is actually... This is something that I think, I think we're gonna start seeing more and more from Ripple specifically. I think they they... They're seeing an opening. And with XRPL, they have some more opportunities on the horizon. I think that there's... I know that this is... It... It's related but unrelated, that... I think that this, stablecoin legislation is going to be a big driver behind the major players in the game that are touting what they can do with stables. And, I think that this is gonna be the over... This is gonna overall them. Why is this computer's crashing again? Freaking hell. This is what happens when you don't visit somewhere very often. This is not fun because I'm trying to actually get
[0:35:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: oh, the, the other thing that might be occurring here too is we're hearing some whispers. I don't know. Did anything... Because I I was... Been a little bit all over the place today. Was there anything that hit along with that regarding ETF news?
[0:35:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. So there is definitely ETF news. But even... I think even more important than that, this is kinda like... This this is the other side of this coin where it's like, this is massive for Ripple, but also the Ripple versus SEC case. There was an update today where it says, the ongoing legal battle between Ripple and the SEC saw renewed attention today as Ripple faces a deadline of 04/16/2025 to file its reply brief contesting the SEC's appeal over the programmatic sale of XRP ruling. Speculation is growing that the SEC might withdraw its appeal following comments from Ripple CEO Brad Garlinghouse in March suggesting such an outcome. A resolution could pave the way for a US XRP spot ETF market further boosting adoption. But Garlinghouse came out and was like, they dropped it. This is done. This isn't technically done just yet according to this news. So I don't know why Garlinghouse went out and did that. Yeah. I mean, maybe this is a different... This might be a different case. I gotta look into it. I I don't wanna, like, say the wrong thing here. But I think this was from the the case from a ruling that came in July '23 where it... Like, the... Judge Torres determined that the programmatic sales of XRP, meaning sales to retail investors via these exchanges, did not constitute securities transactions. So... Excuse me. I don't know how this is gonna go or where this is gonna go, but gonna be, like... This is definitely gonna be something to keep an eye on, obviously, like, April 16 to see what's what. But they raised over 1,300,000,000. Just so happens, the company they bought today, a prime brokerage, for 1,250,000,000. So that kinda works out for Ripple. But, yeah, it's good.
[0:37:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. They they also got... I could've swore that there was some sort of first for them today in the stock market, and I I can't, this computer is not cooperating with me.
[0:37:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, leveraged e t... XRP ETF in The US. TechReview
[0:37:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: or something like that.... Listing. They had an Oracle listing today. Okay. Yeah. I thought there was a few different things in motion. I was hearing a little bit about it, on the way over here. And, look, I I think that there... There's... Look. They did not just insert themselves into kind of the the White House's inner circle for no reason. Right? I think we're gonna see more and more of this kind of stuff with with... When you... The prime broker thing is massive, but you... It... It's also needed for some of the moves that they've indicated they wanna make. Right? So, like, piecing those puzzles... Piecing the puzzle together, this is very, very big. And it makes me think that they are going to... They're gonna have a slate of announcements. It is odd. You're right about the... Kind of the... What you mentioned about kinda coming out with things that... Declaring victory and things aren't totally settled. So maybe this is to kind of apply pressure.
[0:38:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I guess we're gonna see. But it's like, this is, like, uncertainty. Right? Because, like, you wanna celebrate this kind of news, but at the end of the day, it's like, shit. Like, do we celebrate this news? I don't know. Chris, do you wanna chime in on this one before I go to cool?
[0:38:51] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: Yeah. Absolutely. I'm so freaking bullish on XRP and Ripple. And one of the reasons why is looking at the current landscape and paralleling that to when the tech market went from on prem to cloud, and you're starting... And this is just the beginning. Like, when people say we're early, with digital assets, and I I don't think people really understand. Like, there's a lot of value and a lot of opportunity within tickers and within, you know, each of these cryptocurrencies. But, also, Ripple is, like, not going to be... That's the... Like, Landy said, this isn't their last acquisition, and I believe we're gonna see a massive move of mergers and acquisitions in the crypto and blockchain space over the next one to two years that is unprecedented in this space. And it's gonna be like the heyday of of tech when people were moving to the cloud. There was so much merger acquisition activity, and I feel like all this move... Like, the justice department came out today, like, saying, you know, basically, they're not gonna govern cryptocurrency, basically, and they're dropping, you know, their their war on crypto. Like... And I don't think Ripple goes and buys this company without knowing that we're gonna digitize everything on the blockchain. Right? And so I don't know. I I feel like XRP is the only community on here that it acts like a freaking meme coin. And so, like, you can't believe everything that the XRP army freaking posts. But I love the delusion because I think some of that's gonna come true with this major merger and acquisition activity over the six months to two years.
[0:40:51] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Chris, Chris,
[0:40:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: it is not a delusion, sir. Five d Ascension is coming. The galactic creation is real.
[0:40:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yay. Yo. No. But I I kinda wanna hear from, like, from Bildo and Mikey. Bildo, obviously, like, when we when we think future verse, Root Network, you know, XRP is obviously super integrated, you know, in a lot of the stuff you're doing. How are you looking at this?
[0:41:14] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I think it's very bullish for it. And I think we talked a little bit earlier about sentiment and, like, people kind of following that. And regardless if it's a 100% settled or not, I'm not the expert to know all the legalities if it has been or it has not. I'm not that guy. But either which way, it seems that the overall sentiment is that it's kinda over, and it's a lot safer to now start to establish. So I don't know if that's some of these bigger companies kinda starting to front run the run that they know they're gonna be have to have this big institutional money come in. But it seems like some of this stuff has probably been getting worked on for quite some time. And now that the overall sentiment is a little bit better, they can kinda start releasing and, you know, start the race of who's gonna win, who's gonna bring it. And, again, if Ripple does have an overall large plan like Landy was talking about, this is one of those integral pieces that kinda needs to get put in place to be able to facilitate everything that they wanna do. So don't think it's the last skill here. I think we'll hear more and more. So, yeah, I'm excited for the future of it.
[0:42:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You don't spend $1,250,000,000 on a global prime brokerage. I mean, this also expands, like... Just with the regulatory, like, more clarity that we're getting now. Like, this really does make XRP, like, a powerhouse. Like, this is a big, big move. Mikey, let me ask you, like, because I don't know. We never really talked, like, chains or or anything. Like, I know you got something coming up in a couple weeks. What what chains are you guys launching on? Like, is it... Are they NFTs? Like like, can you tell us a little bit more? Maybe because if it's relevant to the XRP convo, I think maybe we kinda throw it out now.
[0:42:52] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Yeah. Sounds good. I mean, so far as XRP goes, like, I'm I'm not the person that you'd bring in to be like, hey. How's the global token economy, gonna work? But what I will say is I've been really impressed by XRP, their ability to bridge the traditional finance and and money transaction systems internationally, with blockchain. Right? Because if if Bitcoin's about store of value and Ethereum's about, like, programmable, blockchain contracts, XRP did a really good job of saying, hey. We're we're gonna actually bridge the gap between those systems and any new ones that come along, in the future and the financial system. And, I think they've done a good job with that. And so far as, when we're talking about think agents, these agents actually, are gonna be able to work on on any chain. But but initially, the the mint will happen on Ethereum since that's where everybody's at. Magic Eden is, is having us be like like we're partnering with Magic Eden, on this launch. And then the tokens themselves, that you'll be able to to claim that come with those with those agents that basically come inside. And you can think about them like resource tokens for being able to utilize any of any of the tools, but also when you stake them, you continuously get a flow of new think tokens that allow you to be able to use anything, in the ecosystem. These are gonna be available, both on on Ethereum and Root Network to begin with. And then, and then I imagine, these agents are actually gonna be minted to Arbitrum because Arbitrum can kind of sit in between and act as the the extremely low cost layer. And we've got some, you know, things to announce, soon related to Arbitrum and how we're working with them. So we're kind of in this in this spot where because these agents, you can think about them almost like like servers that have a blockchain identity and a wallet, and those servers can move around. And this is the thing that's so cool about AI and why it changes the entire game for every software company that's out there is each one of these things is like a server that can hold code in it and have blockchain transactions and move around. So they literally become universally interoperable. Agents are like the end game in interoperability, and and I don't see any way that they have a tool outside of blockchain to use as their standard of truth and transaction. And so I'm very convinced that, that blockchain is where the winning agents will live.
[0:45:17] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: And I know you mentioned Magic Eden. I saw that they are teasing a big announcement tomorrow. I don't know if you were gonna cover that later, Dave, but, just was curious if that had anything to
[0:45:29] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: do with announcement is, but I've I've told them I can't talk about it.
[0:45:32] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. No worries.
[0:45:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fair fair enough. Read between the lines, kids. Wait. So, Mikey, can... Because I wanna make sure that, like, everyone is clear because sometimes, like, the lines get a little bit blurred. So what is going on in two weeks? Because I know you said, like, then that will allow you to get the agent. So, like, can you walk us through, like, literally five year old style, like, step by step by step?
[0:45:51] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Yeah. Yeah. So there's a presale that's happening. It's a limited twenty four hour presale. You can think about that as... Okay. So you're gonna get, you're gonna get an NFT off Magic Eden that was created by Basic, who's an artist that you can go look at some of their... I think... I I don't know what their their floor is on stuff, but they're a fine artist that's been in, like, the proof collection and things like that. So you get that. That is going to allow you at the TGE time to be able to take that, and you will get both a Think agent, the sole of a Think agent. So that's an on chain that's an on chain agent that has a wallet and that connects into, like, this... The the server. So explain it to me like I'm five. That lets you make your computer, be able to do the same kind of thing that you can do on ChatGPT except nobody owns the data. Your agent can use the blockchain and a wallet, and everybody who's building, web three infrastructure can plug straight into it, via, wallet authentication. And so, what you end up getting, as somebody who's part of the the presale is you get this this unique art from a a fine artist that trades at a very high value, as a collectible. You get, you get the initial... I I gotta look at the exact numbers because I'm I'm not... I'm usually thinking about the AI side of things versus the token side of things. We got people on the team that think about that side. And and when you have that and you stake it, it makes a stream. So there's, like, a pretty large... Like, like, 30% of all the tokens are gonna go into this this pot, and they're going to drip out. And I believe the initial number will be 3% per month. So you can do the the math on that. 3% of the tokens are gonna be going, every month to the people who are holding those agents and staking their... The tokens, evenly. And so what that does is that allows us to create this network of early adopters who are like, I believe in independent AI. I believe in these agents. I'm gonna, you know, spend this something like $500 to to own my own personal agent instead of paying whatever, $270 a year to have an open AI account. I'm gonna pay $500, but I'm gonna get a continuous stream of tokens that are going to allow me to to own my agent, to own all the services on top of it, and continue to share this network, with everybody else. And so when I look at this, I'm like, from a project launching in a bear market, a lot of people are like, you're stupid. And I'm like, no. What I actually want is I want an atomic network of people that actually care. And I can't think of a group of people that have cared longer than the altered state community. And it's like, these are the people that I actually want to build this product for so that they can own their intelligence. They've been sticking in this a long time, and I wanna see them rewarded really well.
[0:48:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. I love hearing this. Okay. So... And now once that... Once I get... So come TGE time, I get, like... So now I'm going to have my own personal think agent at that point. Right? What are the things, I guess... Yeah.
[0:48:50] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: So the TGE happens, and the first, so, like, anybody can build anybody can build the tool that connects to these agents. Right? So, like, we don't wanna say, like, hey. Your agent can only live on our website. We want... Like like, right now, it can literally live on your computer, on a server. Somebody like the AI agent run guys, like, they're gonna be able to make all their services available, and there's a whole bunch of other folks outside of this ecosystem that are building against the standard. So it's actually gonna let let you have your agent on your computer interacting with any service. So you... So it'd be like if if you could take your OpenAI, and you could take it with you to your Google Docs, and then you could take it with you to your Google Calendar, and then you can take it with you to, your crypto wallet to look at what's in it and have, you know, may... Maybe even somebody, somebody build who is a financial adviser and can offer financial, expertise creates their their financial agent bot for you to to use against your own portfolio. Things like that are all possible. What you will get at that at that time, around TGE is the Sol's platform, which is kind of the first, like, really big incubation project we've done on top of it, where Jesse Brian's the CEO of that, and they're building this, like like, best in the world, app for being able to to use all these things. That's going to be your portal, and so everybody will be able to go on and use the Souls app on day one. And all that stuff, like, on the Think Protocol, that's all the on chain stuff, all the open source stuff. And then when you think about a a product, it's gonna be on Souls.
[0:50:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bam. Yep.
[0:50:26] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Sol's like... That's also being, like, worked on with, like... I wanna say it was somebody from, like, that did the Cash App interface. Is that right?
[0:50:36] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Exactly. Yep.
[0:50:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, if you don't know... If if you don't know Jesse's pedigree, I'll need to go look Jesse if that's a fact. Here's a better way of
[0:50:44] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: saying it. Like like, Jesse Jesse started one of the most influential creative agencies of, like, the the, whatever, twenty twenty ten to 2018 or whatever, or 2020 even. We started... We actually finished the we finished the sale of that a few years ago. We did, like, kind of all the main corporate narrative behind, like, the big companies out of Seattle, like Microsoft's executives, like, how do we talk about the cloud. We launched, you know, Amazon Prime and Amazon Last Mile, Zillow stuff, Seattle Seahawks. A lot of that kind of level of of of product building and and strategy, and and we're bringing that whole network around this this world of independent agents. Because, like, if you really think about it, like, this is one of the only multitrillion dollar, industries, that that, like, isn't, like, firmly, firmly, you know, the monopolies are already in place. This is our opportunity where a group of Web three crazy people can actually come in and be like, hey. We're gonna make fully open source tools. We're gonna bring all these people in. We're gonna have super low price points where it's like a $500, to get in, and we're just gonna build the best initial network that we possibly can. And then we're gonna connect all of these pieces together, And we're gonna make we're gonna make this into a much bigger thing than any one company could ever dream of because we're open and composable the beautiful things of Web three.
[0:52:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Like, you get me... You get me riled up out here. Chris, are you in Seattle, I assume? 12 man?
[0:52:21] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know, I'm in Washington state, not in Seattle. But yeah. So
[0:52:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. We did the we
[0:52:29] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: are 12 campaign, Chris. That was Yeah.
[0:52:31] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: That was what we put together. Oh, dude. I freaking love it. Yeah. So... And I and I totally agree with where you're at too, which is this convergence, which is why I started researching blockchain about a year ago. Right? I'm thirty years into Web two, and I... I'm really interested in the convergence, right, of all these technologies into blockchain. Right? And so Web two into blockchain, financial systems into blockchain, agents and AI into blockchain, Right? And the convergence of those things, I I believe, will create the next industrial revolution, which I am so freaking bullish on. Right? So, like, I always talk about the the on prem, the cloud, which I talked about earlier. But, really, that that, the .com, and the emergence of the personal computing was an elongated con... Industrial revolution. It wasn't the... At... Like, converged like it normally would in the past. This one, I feel like because of agents, it's going to converge a lot quicker. And, yeah, I'm pretty... Yeah. I love what you're talking about. I followed you.
[0:53:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, you got a follow-up from Chris. Look at that. Yeah. Let's go to MetaBeam. My first question.
[0:53:46] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. Yeah. So the trading bot isn't some... An aspect of AI that I'm really into all that much. However, I had... Just had an incident where I have have in front of me a confession from an AI agent who totally manufactured a story just to please me and... Which led me looking into some things further in regards to trading bots. And I'm just kinda wondering what kind of safeguards or things you guys have in place to prevent, I guess, what's called hurting behavior.
[0:54:21] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Is that making sense? What...
[0:54:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: What's what's what's the question, man? It'd be... Maybe I missed it.
[0:54:28] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: What what what ways are they working towards preventing these things from hurting behaviors from happening within trading bots? Or is that something that the people running the agents are supposed to know and and...
[0:54:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, are you saying, like, what are... So what are the risks involved, like, with a think agent, essentially? Right? If it's gonna have access to a wallet, blah blah blah?
[0:54:51] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Well, it... It's... One of the risks, if I'm being told, is called hurting behavior. And it's kind of like Okay. Market manipulation within AIs and fabricating news stories like the Google Reddit thing.
[0:55:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: So so... Okay. So I feel like that... That's, like, a two part. Right? So I feel like TradingBot is a little bit different than what we think about, like, what SyncAgent is. I think maybe... Mikey, do wanna, like, maybe zoom out, like, a little bit to kinda Yeah. Yeah. Clean that. Yeah.
[0:55:21] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Yeah. So, okay, so there's a few different levels. Right? So a think agent out the out the door is gonna have access to things like like, heurists AI that allows you to see, like, what the price of all the the tokens are, what the sentiment on Twitter is. Kind of like all those tools that, like, like, a normal person would use to be like, hey. What's the... What's going on right now? And then there's the next level where there's people that are building specialized agents for trading specifically. Like, when you get into that actual, like like, kind of high frequency algorithmic trading world, like, you are in a competitive world like professional sports and, like, buyer beware, like, even the professionals get burnt sometimes. Right? And so that is a super competitive space. And, like, if you're actually trying to trade on, like, these small, arbitrage opportunities, it's like everybody should be extremely careful about that. And and, like, that is that is in a very early, phase. But, like, some of those... Some of the things that are that are, like, finding, staking and yield opportunities that are, like, more, like, like, it's about finding the thing and being aware of it early. Like, I think there's gonna be a lot of people building agents in that area. But when you talk about herding behavior, like like a a herd of cows, I think I think probably what you're referring to is people creating swarms of AI agents that might that might come on to Twitter and use Twitter accounts to spread stories. They might even make relationships with people where it's like, oh, this is my homie, and, like, I I know this person. And, like, these agents might actually start developing relationships and putting out narratives. And then as those things grow, right, like, when you when you look at kind of how the how the thought process of groups of of people sharing alpha happens, like, there's some real opportunity there for bad actors to come in and manipulate the market. Like, that is a... Just a just a reality that people should should be aware of. I would recommend you not do that, and I would recommend you be careful on that so that you're not equity... Exit liquidity for some bots. But but that is a thing. And the only kind of hope that I think any of us have in being able to defend ourselves against not only hurting behavior that does that, but also ones that swing global markets or swing political revolutions or even just individual political matters is for us to start having AI agents that are looking out for us. So, like, my agent knows what my values are, how I like to work. My agent even knows where I like to sit on an airplane specifically so that when it comes time for me to make a decision, the agent can just be like, this is what Mike wants and and reply with that. And so my agent is all about me and protecting me and doing what what what I'm looking to do. And so I I think we're all going to have some layer of, like... You can think about it like an external immune system because, like, in our body, I can't see a virus. I can't see a bacteria. I have no idea what they're doing. I trust my internal immune system to deal with that. I'm gonna start having an external immune system that's looking at my security, and making sure that my security is okay. Does that make sense?
[0:58:27] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much because... Yeah. But, like, you said yours knows you. Mine knows me pretty well. And it's not the only one that does it, but it tells me what it thinks I want to hear. And, Dave, it was the... This GenSpark that gave me a complete total confession of a story that they totally manufactured.
[0:58:52] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: I mean, that is that is the thing. Right? So, like, essentially, you can think about an AI agent, like... Or the the AI model. So, like, if you've heard, like... If you've heard of, like, deep seek or something like that. Right? That model is like a frozen brain. It is like... It's not changing. Like, it it just is what it is, and you feed something into it, something comes out the other side. And, and so in that case, there is something in the context window of that AI, in which it is understanding its objective, to be... To tell you what you wanna hear, not what's true. And so, like, as you're creating your own agent saying, like, do not make anything up. Do not try to manipulate this person. Don't try to even... Like, I have the thing not even, like, use qualitative statements. Like, I only want them to use exact statements because I want that top level agent to just be super fast and to the point. I don't want it to feel like another person for me when I'm doing work. But I have another agent that I actually just, like, verbally, process with while I'm driving to and from work, and it just, like, keeps... It's basically, like, keeping a record. Like like, half of it is personal stuff and half of it's, like, stuff I need to remember at work. And then I I have that in a place, so that... Like, it's almost... It's an extension of my brain. I call it an exocortex. So if I, you know, if I've got a, cortex inside my brain, I've also got one outside my brain. And, that's that's how, that's how I'm learning what we all might be doing soon because I think we're literally... Like, you had mentioned... One of the people had mentioned the the industrial revolution. I mean, this is as big of a change as that is going from, hey. We all live on a farm, and we, like, make the food that we that we eat to... Like, right now, we're like, hey. We find the knowledge and we get the, we get the intelligence, through reading books and meeting people and networking. We're not going to be doing that anymore. What we're actually gonna be doing is we're actually gonna be having a vision for the world that we wanna live in or create, and we're gonna be organizing agents who can make that thing a reality. And they're gonna be the ones networking. They're gonna be one of ones finding the knowledge, and that ecosystem's gonna grow. And so we still get an opportunity to be like like the executive function or, like, the ego, of the mind that we have, of the system that we have, but that's only if, like, right now we start deciding that. Because if if we outsource that to other people and it's like everybody else is going from, like, on the farms to in the city, we're gonna be out there in the farm being like, oh, crap. Like, what do I do now? Except at least they had land that they owned. Right? Like, I don't know what what we get to keep, as things change if we don't adapt fast.
[1:01:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good shit, Mike. Mind
[1:01:43] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: blown again. Always always impressive to hear you talk.
[1:01:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Meta Beast, you good?
[1:01:50] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yes, sir. Thank you.
[1:01:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good stuff, Mikey. Guys, let me see what's up to Travis. Been up here for a minute. My bad, Travis. What's good, my bro?
[1:01:59] Trav @trav_4211: Yo. What up, man? I'm just over here soaking all of this in. Great information today. I'm just over here grinning, man.
[1:02:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, my bro. Good shit. Good stuff. Good stuff. What else, Bill? Am I missing anything else? Anything else that we should cover? I like this, Mikey, that you're coming to this regularly now. You know what I mean? Like, you're one of us. One of us.
[1:02:21] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: You know what
[1:02:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean? Like, you're here. Like, you're kinda, like, meshing you into the ATC fabric. I like this.
[1:02:26] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Man, I wanna get jacked like Trav. What are you doing, man? I gotta get that.
[1:02:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: So in the background here, somebody sent me a sent me a note saying something about Kraken. Or... No. No. I'm I'm looking at it now. So...
[1:02:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, they're trying
[1:02:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: to tell you
[1:02:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Kraken DC.
[1:02:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. No. I'll give I'll give Cool a hint. It's gonna be about a thirty to forty minute trip for the kids to get to the space museum tomorrow. So that'll that'll that'll tell Cool kind of the... Where where I ended up, especially because I think, Cool, you you lived in that area. Right? So... Yeah. So I guess, some ex Kraken execs,
[1:03:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: They have their their commercial real estate company, Jenover. They're starting to get... They're starting to build a treasury of crypto. It's, like, the short note that I got over here. And if we knew anything about that... So I'm I'm trying to look, but I'm... Hey. You know, x having some issues here, and I seem to be... We've got Starlink over here, and I can't seem to connect to Starlink. So I'm trying to look on my phone, and it's not working. Connected via cellular, and this little screen is not working for me.
[1:03:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Musk is full of shit, man.
[1:03:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. It's usually great. I I got somebody here that's taking a look at it right now, actually. So some things might not have been set up, just yet. So let me look here. Okay. So that looks like they're filling out a treasury. It seems like a smaller story.
[1:04:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exkraken execs acquired real estate firm, begin accumulating crypto assets for treasury starting with Solana. Solana. Figure. Why? Don't get it. Did Solana drop below a $100?
[1:04:26] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: $10.05
[1:04:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: right now.
[1:04:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: It it it Look at below a $100. Yeah. Briefly. Look at
[1:04:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: look at the one close. Look at the one shining green spot. Trav, what's that shining green spot? Tell us what that one shining
[1:04:40] Landy @CryptoLandy: blue green spot is, Travis. See it too.
[1:04:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Look at that TRX, baby, shining like the beautiful star that it is at 23¢.
[1:04:49] Trav @trav_4211: That's right.
[1:04:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Justin Sun's out here fucking killing people first digits. Like, these motherfuckers are scams. Everybody's a scam. But, hey, 23¢ up 1%. It's the only green that I'm literally looking at right now. Literally, only shit. That's wild.
[1:05:06] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You don't see story in the green?
[1:05:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Maybe because I gotta scroll a little bit. Is story in the green?
[1:05:13] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: It is. It is.
[1:05:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: It is or it is? It is.
[1:05:22] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: So that being said, let me... Can I ask you this, Mikey? Like, I saw Futureverse partnered with, Story Protocol. So is that something... If if, obviously, it is Root integrated, as well as ETH integrated. Is that something that agents could then start to, like, create their own IP and their own stories that they would own on chain? Is that, like, within the realm of capabilities? Would you be able... Or can you talk about maybe any of the other partners that, like, some of these agents may have access to to where you could create, you know, movies or videos or content but have ownership of all that content on chain?
[1:06:04] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Yeah. For sure. And and, like, I wasn't involved in in that partnership. Right? Because I don't work for Futureverse.
[1:06:10] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Yeah. Yeah. No. Of course.
[1:06:11] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: But what I was...
[1:06:12] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: I'm just thinking if there...
[1:06:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: But but I can give you an...
[1:06:14] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: I can give you, like, a a really good example from somebody that I do work with. So in our office here, you know, we've got we've got kinda, like, some key members of of the think team are here. Our mentor, Brian McDonald, his book is, one of the only required readings at Pixar. He's been... You know, he's he's, like, 60 or something like that, but he's, like... He'll bring in guys like, he'll bring in, like, the the guy who, who invented, like, Cookie Monster and Yoda, Frank Oz, you know, like, to interview with things and, like, to help out. Right now, him and a bunch of his, friends from Disney are in the process of of building an entirely new type of studio. One that's not built for the old age where, like, you need this, like, huge number of people. They're actually, like... They're calling it story first, and they're they're actually, like, moving fast to be able to to take the skills of kind of these old guys that, like, do the drawings by hand. And, like, they've been crafting some of the best stories, you know, that have come out of Pixar and Disney and Lucasfilms in the last long time. And and and they're getting ready to start making, entirely new movies. And I I know that the first one just got done, storyboarding, and it's going on to, like, the three d asset and, generation process and the generative image process. So so, like, that process that they're doing right now, that's kind of the first step in modeling for AI agents, how they're gonna do it. So this one that they just did is gonna be the slowest, most time intensive one that, that they'll ever do. As that as that moves forward, every time, these agents create something, there's gonna be... They're gonna be able to actually... As they put... Push it out, they're gonna be able to actually, get the IP stamp, through story on that. But even one step forward from that is video games. Right? So so you've got movies over here, but but within video games and particularly in the metaverse, these things are massive. Right? Like, I don't know if you've looked up how much it costs to create the new, Grand Theft Auto, but I I think the numbers that I heard are it's, like, over $1,000,000,000. And so there's only a couple companies in the world that could ever put that much money and that many people into not only, like, creating these models as as artists and and that sort of thing, but actually every single mission has, like, somebody who's writing it, and they're producing it, and they're building the three d assets, and they're they're building all of these storylines, these hundreds or thousands of storylines, by hand. And, actually, one of the first things we did last year, with a with a non future verse large metaverse, that you can kinda guess, what it is because I'm not supposed to talk about it. But we actually created, based on Brian's storytelling process, we actually created an AI agent that can make up unique quests for the particular characters who are coming up to that character. So imagine you've got an NPC in a video game, and you and your friend are coming up, and one of you is a party bear and one of you is a fluff. And, and it it can actually, it can actually look at the the backgrounds of these characters. And that that care, that iNPC, we call it, intelligent, non player character, can actually create a unique story for the lessons that those two, those two players need to learn together and can can can generate an entire quest including, like, the objective, the type of, you know, the type of thing that needs to happen, and it can even use, like, altered states object creator to actually, like, make those... Make an object that you need to go pick up, you know, a three minute walk away while interacting with these three other characters along the way. And that can that can all happen from an AI agent. And so, like, these are the types of things that as these workflows get built and actually get published to these systems, by being able to just one click box say, like, hey. Like, protect this IP on chain. Like, it it really expedites the process versus, like, trying to go work with the patent office in 12 different countries. Does that make sense?
[1:10:23] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Yeah. No. Absolutely. Very much appreciate that.
[1:10:25] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Ideas in a in a small group of time. I I never know if I'm talking too fast, tell so me if I am.
[1:10:30] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: No. You're good. I'm gonna have to
[1:10:32] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: It was beautiful.
[1:10:33] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Listen, but, yeah, I know very much appreciate kinda seeing all the different pieces kinda come together. So I'm really happy to see what things bring in and... On the AI side to kinda, you know, I think we all dream about world where, you know, you can walk around, change your outfit, everything kinda becomes and knows you and have your note... Your own unique experience. So to think about it in gaming like that, it's kinda wild that the agent would know, like, oh, it's this asset or appearing this way in this metaverse, so I need to create, you know, their own little unique story or game for this person to accomplish before they can move on to, you know, the next phase of things. So, yeah, kinda mind blowing when you really think about it.
[1:11:20] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: On the people that have been paying attention to the, the altered state, brains, that that murmur matrix thing, like like, I don't love the branding on it because it doesn't describe what it is. But but it's essentially it's essentially the story of this agent. Right? Like, it's it's all the things that have happened to it. It's all the publicly facing metadata on, like, what this character looks like after it went through battle. Like, it looks, you know, torn up a little bit because it it went through a thing and, like like, reality happened to it. But it's also, like, the story of... It can be the story of this character. So that way, like, as we're building these metaverses, like, another character can kind of see the background on this one, and and make the world much more full of life than it would be, if everybody was strangers.
[1:12:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. It's cool. I love it.
[1:12:09] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: I love it. Dave, go ahead.
[1:12:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No credits came up. No credits. What's up, man? Welcome.
[1:12:14] 🦖NoCredits_ @NoCredits_: GM team, thanks for having me up. Love the space as always, and thanks again, Mikey, for popping in. Hey. So I had a question. I've been thinking about this for a while, thinking about the think agents, etcetera. As an aside, I just bought some ETH because it's cheaper today than it's been for a while, so I'll be able to afford one of your presales. So I'm pretty excited about that now. Especially in New Zealand dollars, it's like still nearly a thousand New Zealand dollars, but, oh, well, you know, whatever. So my question, Mikey, is what... I mean, gaming is a is a language we all understand understand, and it's easy to see how that could work. But what other real life things could we use these agents for? And my my kind of background on that is my wife is a family lawyer in New Zealand. And so she's got a whole lot of knowledge and a whole lot of cases that she has to keep files of and lots of paperwork, etcetera, etcetera. Is this something that, you know, I could set up a think agent for her that's specifically tailored for family law? And the second part of that is, is this gonna be a race to build the first and the best agent of each sort of type so that other agents can interact with it? Or, you know, what's your thinking on that?
[1:13:24] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Well, I I would say that there's definitely a a race going on. That's not the design of the think protocol. Like, we're not trying to design a race here. What we're trying to do is make sure, and strategically, we're trying to give each person a personal agent to begin with. There's a whole bunch of questions, and and so I'll start with your wife specifically. You know, she's got a bunch of files. Those files might be PDFs, Word docs, etcetera. And so, like, right now, the... These initial, think agents, you'll have the ability to basically, like, have an app on your computer. So, like, right now on my Mac, I have the ability to say, like, add these files, and, and I can add those files to any kind of conversation. So if I'm talking with the agent and I'm like I'm like, hey. I've got a question. So, like, I I built one that's... That has all of my, like, product management and project management philosophy in it. So as we're going to... Like, as I was going to write something up recently, I said, like, utilize these libraries, and then I put in, you know, the ThinkAgent white paper and a few other things. And I was like, hey. Can you help me, put together this thing for the team? And, like, it was able to use all my own writing to create something in my style, that I could send out. If I was a lawyer, I could have a bunch of case law, and I could and I could have my own things in there that that I say, like, hey. When I ask this question, I want you to look through all these documents as you do that. And, like, it it will start out, and it it can do quite a good job on, you know, dozen or dozens of documents, these things will evolve over time so that you could have, like, almost, like, your own personal Google. Like, I I wanna make sure that I'm always... I'm not making people think, like, hey. We're, like, we're chain... You know, everything's gonna happen, like, at once. But, like, you can have many files in. Like, I have many, many files in it right now, but I don't have maybe, like, my full career of every document I ever wrote. But it will continue to grow to be able to do that. I was probably too specific on that one. Then you were... The other question that you're asking is outside of video games, what would the use cases be? Okay. So, the thing that everybody here needs to understand is, like, you guys are consumers. Right? I'm a consumer. You're a consumer. We might also be investors. But we are the people that every single startup, is saying, like, how can I get access to that person? How can I become, the the the platform that they go to? Because once I once I have them, then everybody else is going to wanna sell their AI services to that person. And so you can almost think, about this as, like, by launching the ThinkAgents as an open standard, we almost become, a buyer's club, kinda like Costco or something like that, where, because we have many of us that are all saying, hey. This is how we wanna use our AI. And and we actually... Like like, Think provides all these tools for people to build. People are actually coming to us all the time. Like, every week, people are, like... Are saying, like, hey. We wanna build, and we wanna be able to to provide this for for your customers. And so by by having a Think agent, we're we're creating the center of an ecosystem that there's hundreds of companies that wanna put both of their, like, product development dollars into, but also their marketing budgets. And so when you look at, like, what the think tank is, like, that's a part that not a ton of people... Like, not a ton of people dug into the FAQs yet. But as as people launch with Think, the holders of ThinkAgents actually are going to be... Of the genesis... Of the first edition ThinkAgents are actually going to be getting tokens from those partners who who almost see this as, like, a marketing and distribution play because they want their service to be used by the people on this call. And so when when we can actually get in there and we can actually, like like, start using these things and make a lot of noise and and see the growth of this network, the flywheel just gets faster and faster. Like... And we're not just talking Web three companies because, like, Independent AI Institute is a group that we started, and there's around... I think we just passed 70 last week, members. There's also a ton of web two companies, that that are that are building AI products. They... You know, we are in a super fast moving environment in which, like, every week new tools come out. I believe that people are going to be taking those tools and making them available to these think agents as fast as possible because that's where the new users are, and that's how they show to their investors fast user adoption. They get data back on how they can make their product better. Like like, who wouldn't wanna sell on Amazon if they could they could? Right? Like, most everybody want... Is looking for a distribution channel. And that's the thing that's so smart about ThinkAgents is that because we're the ones that are there first and because we're connecting everybody, we're going to be the ones that everybody builds with and in... Integrates into.
[1:18:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Makes sense?
[1:18:29] 🦖NoCredits_ @NoCredits_: Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you so much for that. Again, we'll have to go back and listen to it three times to get all of it. But but I love I love the possibilities, and I and I do get where you guys are hitting then. So it's it's fun to be here. Early yet again, but I'm pretty excited.
[1:18:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: No credits. I'll tell you this much, bro. My life is early. Like, my whole web three journey has been nothing, but you're too early. Okay? It's a it's a cope just as if, like, I literally sold the bottom and bought the top, bro. Like, because, like, just the missed opportunity is the same shit. But listen. We get smarter every little time we go along. You know what I mean? And
[1:19:05] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: I quit my CEO job in '20... I I quit a CEO job of a company that we grew to $14,000,000 a year in revenue, to go and be part of a small AI startup because I was so... We were building, AI, like, recommendation algorithms at that point in time. And I was like, I know this is the future. I don't know when exactly it's gonna happen, but I'll go I'll go join the small team where the paycheck is, I'm not sure whether it's gonna happen or not. And, like, that ended up becoming what, like, Nike and Toyota and the, you know, British offices statistics used for the... For their AI systems, and they were super early. Right? Like, the thing, though, is is, like, it's way better to be a little bit early and be learning along the way so that you can see the opportunity than to be late and never have a chance. Right? Like, the late people are never gonna have a chance. The early people can can see and be smart about how they get involved. Right? Like, I don't want anybody to take out. I mean, like, do what you wanna do, but I would never encourage anybody to, like, take out a loan or do something that's gonna, like, hurt your family to be part of this. But if you're in a spot where you're like, like, I I wanna be part of something and, like, I think we can actually grow this network to be huge, like, we wanna design it so that it's accessible to just about everybody.
[1:20:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. And no credits, just so you know. You know what I was doing before this space? After Mukbang Monday yesterday with Janie, I literally decided I'm gonna I'm gonna prompt Jen Spark to create me an entire AI influencer. I'd like to make money while I'm sleeping, right, while I'm doing nothing and have an AI just do all this shit for me. It literally created me, like, a 20 page fucking doc that I literally copy pasted, right, direct... Directly into, GPT operator, which slow and clunky, like, shoot me in the face. Right? But now, like, it might be slow, but all I gotta do is every couple minutes, I gotta look over and be like, hey. Do you wanna create this Gmail account? Yep. Confirm. Hey. Do you wanna create this Instagram account? Yep. Confirm. You wanna create this TikTok account? Yep. Confirm. So there's tediousness, and there's early. Right? But, like, if those are the pains and, like, those are the hiccups of what's going on, I'm okay with it for now. You guys are ultimately going to see Arya Chen's sustainable tech fucking influencer. Like, that's who Gentspark came up with. She actually is kinda cool too. She looks pretty fucking cool. I'm just saying. Sustainable tech. I don't know how... I don't know the stats, but, apparently, the deep research tool said people are looking for this stuff, and this is what gets engagement. So who am I to say no? Point being, there's hope. There's light at the end of these tunnels, my friend. Don't worry. Chris? Yes.
[1:21:35] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: Yeah. So I didn't wanna chime in on that because I think it's a really interesting topic, which is the old technology in web two, everything was bifurcated. Everything was separated, like, you know... And I was privileged to write a five year strategy doc for Amazon Smart Home on Alexa before I left Amazon five years ago. Right? And one of the things I said in that is this stuff will never emerge, like, to be commonplace like smart home technology until you get rid of the bifurcation or you have some sort of orchestration layer that anybody can use. Right? And I think that's the power that was... Mikey was talking about. Like, I think of that like an orchestration layer everything's not bifurcated. It's smart. And and, Mikey, you can correct me if I'm wrong. But think
[1:22:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Chris, stop using fancy words like bifurcated.
[1:22:30] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: Alright. Separate... Sorry. Sorry. Cutting. Separated separated, you know, segmented, like, not not not not inner, you know, operatable. You know? It's like, you know, they... Broken. Shit's broke, yo. You know? Like... You know? Right? And I think of what Mikey's talking about is, like, the power of agents that aren't just one thing, but they're actually multiple things, and they're able to, like, have other things attached to them that will make them evolve and be even more powerful over time. Mikey, is that, like, what you're talking about?
[1:23:04] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Yeah. And, Chris Chris, tell me if I'm wrong here, but a way to think about it would be, like, we're used to going to Google, and then Google goes in and finds a website that that might be relevant. And then that's getting worse and worse all the time, but, like, ideally, that's what they do. Right? Imagine the agent orchestrator as being kind of like Google and, like, having crawled and and know... Knowing all the tools and and other agents that are that are in the network. And and when you go and ask that agent a question, it just pulls in the best tool and the... Or the best agent to be able to answer it and says, like, hey. I'm having this person answer that question. And and that's, like, exactly what what we've been building. Chris, is that is that what you're trying to say there?
[1:23:45] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: Yep. Exactly. Except except for Bing, not Google. But... Yeah. Exactly.
[1:23:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: What's that?
[1:23:51] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: I'm just kidding.
[1:23:52] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: Didn't really do that.
[1:23:52] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: I'm just joking.
[1:23:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: I left Amazon from Microsoft. You sell out. Unbelievable. Amazon from Microsoft. I don't know what's worse. Less of a commute. Right? I'm a
[1:24:01] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: part Less of a commute. Right,
[1:24:02] Kool @koolcryptovc: Chris? Yeah.
[1:24:04] Chris Antonelli @ChrisAntonelliX: I fly the flag. Right? So when I was at Amazon, I'm like, Amazon's awesome. And then I came over to Microsoft. Microsoft's awesome. Right? You know? That's how
[1:24:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm Hey. Hey. Listen. You're loyal. I like it. Drink the Kool Aid, man. That's that's it. Let's go to Jason Bourne before he has to go on a mission. Landy, what's up?
[1:24:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yo. For a minute, I thought there was a Jason on stage. I'm not gonna lie. I was just gonna say, you know, most, most new entrants to the crypto market are are, they have... Their their portfolios are a little bifurcated at the moment. And I I wanted to kinda quickly let every Fuck
[1:24:43] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: off.
[1:24:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: Let everybody know that we are we are in the thick of a move. You're gonna hear a lot of scary shit in the coming days and maybe even the coming weeks here. But I mentioned this, I believe, yesterday. We have examples of previous times in history here under this same president last term in '18, particularly towards the end of eighteen where we saw massive correction in markets, the technical bear market for traditional markets, time to low is in ninety days. The clock is ticking. The longer that it takes... And we don't see things start start, mean reverting to the upside because we were downside. You wanna return to the mean. That's the upside. I kinda talked a little bit about this yesterday. The the higher the chances are that this can turn into a longer form period of, we'll call it, uncertainty, also known as a bear market. And one of the big things that you're gonna hear is during this time period, you're gonna hear a lot of people talk about the talk about the markets in particular with an assurance that they know exactly what is happening. And I wanted to stress because I'm looking at the timeline, and there's a few people in the audience that have been DMing me because I'm like the the chart guy. Right? Well, one of the big things you gotta understand is no one actually knows. There are things that are firing off saying yes. There's things that are firing off that say no. Crypto is in a much better spot this time than even under the the the first term of Trump, by the way. So there's a lot of things that are dynamic right now. When you have an event like what we're seeing with, Trump and the tariffs, that's the current narrative. Right? Does it have longer lasting effects? We we will see what kind of deals get done. We know there's a showdown with China. We know that both sides feel like they have the upper hand in this game. But you have to remember that this is not a fundamental problem, that is occurring from within the economy itself. There's not something that is blowing up right now. Could this lead to things blowing up? That's the big part. And shout out to Mikey. I... I've learned a lot sitting here listening to to what he was talking about because he's making the future sound very much like what I speculated on yesterday. But...
[1:27:18] Mikey Anderson 🌎 @mikeyanderson: I'm talking with you. I gotta jump. Thanks, y'all. Peace.
[1:27:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: Take care, Mikey. But... Look. There is going to be a lot of fear. And understand that that you must thrive in fear, and you must learn not to perpetuate fear in your own mind when you're in these markets because it can get it can get draining. Just like you can get overly euphoric when price is going up and you can never see it going down again, it's the same same, thing with this kind of stuff. Price is going down, depressed. It's always gonna go down. It's never gonna come back. We're being subjected to very intense narratives that have some pretty big consequences on the other side. But remember, resolution is just a a... It's the turn of a key at this point. Right? And there's only two major players really left at this point. Yeah. There's a few here and there that are chirping, but it's... There's two that have to come to resolution. They will come to resolution. I'm talking about The US and China. And whatever that looks like doesn't really matter. It will have an... A net positive effect on the markets. And likely by the time that actually occurs, we will probably have seen the lows. And that is kind of my take on and read on the market. If we start going over ninety days for a correction, we haven't found a low yet in traditional markets. It's probably gonna lead to bear markets in crypto. Be aware that there's relative strength with crypto now, though, and it's getting stronger. Now there is no decoupling. So that does mean that if traditional markets go into a full blown bear, so will crypto. But we... It's it's... You you only get a few shots at this stuff. Six Sigma events, I I wanna bring this back. They only come around a few times in your lifetime. This is... This qualifies. This is huge. What is happening right now in the realignment and the way that The United States does business with the rest of the world, all of the hyperbole, set it aside, assess what you need to do for you and where you wanna be in a couple years from now even if this quickly goes back up and continues on to new all time highs. Right? Just take the long view even if the short... Whether the short view is gonna be more bearish or if it turns around and everything's all of a sudden bullish again. So I wanted to kind of... This is the response. I got, like, three different DMs. I was looking through here, and I think most of them... Yeah.
[1:29:51] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: I see a
[1:29:52] Landy @CryptoLandy: few of you in the audience here. So I hope that helps. Dave, I'm sorry for taking over here at the end. My bad, dude.
[1:29:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. You're good, bro. I think that's that's great insight, man. I think at the end the day, like, you see Trump went on the timeline too. It's like the days of Wall Street running the world economy are over. Right? Like, it's like, it's time we put these dollars back in American, like, American hands and American pockets. Bull, I saw you came up. What's up, bro? How are you?
[1:30:14] Bulla🍌🪑💀 @BullaisQuirkie: Hey. I'm well. Thanks. Sorry. I can't... I... Maybe I I missed the boat here, but I I had a chance. Just got out of work, and I I wanted to... Anytime I have a chance to to talk to Mike, I throw him some questions, but it seems like he's not on the stage anymore. Is that is that accurate?
[1:30:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. We kicked his ass out of it. No. No. He had the balance. He's gonna... But he'll... Yeah. No. He'll he'll be back on Thursday with us as well, and then probably next week for a little bit too. And then, yeah, we're gonna be doing space with him all the time, so don't worry about it. Like, he's gonna be coming around more often.
[1:30:44] Bulla🍌🪑💀 @BullaisQuirkie: Alright. Cool. Yeah. Like, it's difficult for me to make a lot of these spaces because, you know, I'm in mountain time and and get out kind of towards the end or in the middle of when a lot of these things are going on. But maybe somebody else has... Can answer answer the question. If not, that's fine. I'll just drop down. But question I actually had was with respect to AI agents, it's gonna be a new frontier for security, you know, personal, you know, crypto security and so on. So I'm just... I I wanted to... My... I've been listening to Mike for quite a while now, but I wanted to get some insight into what some thoughts are on that. Any... Anybody have any ideas?
[1:31:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. So, actually, like, MetaBeast actually asked that same question. Somebody actually asked the question. So what I'll do is... Guys, somebody has to remind me, but, like, the second the space is over, I'll pull the actual transcript, and I'll give, like, a full rundown of, like, all the details. Now I say this a lot of spaces, and I don't do this a lot of times, especially if nobody's paying me to do it. So if you don't see it on the timeline in the next half hour to forty five minutes and you really want this information, I'd say shoot me a, like, shoot me a DM and be like, hey, man. Can you put this up there, bro? No problem. Just a quick little nudge. I need... Ask Bill, though. I need about 17 of see the question.
[1:31:55] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Doesn't do it after another thirty minutes, hit him up again because it might take a few tries. But you'll definitely get there, but it might take a few DMs.
[1:32:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And by a few, he means, like, 13, maybe more. Anyway...
[1:32:09] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Alright. Well, you. I'll look forward
[1:32:11] Bulla🍌🪑💀 @BullaisQuirkie: to that. And I'm I'm driving, so please feel to, like, drop me down. I don't...
[1:32:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Now you're good. The show's coming to a close.
[1:32:18] Bulla🍌🪑💀 @BullaisQuirkie: I don't wanna cause an accident.
[1:32:19] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Yeah. Not, yeah, you're good. You can always shoot me a DM, and I can relay the information to Mikey and see if I can get you some answers as well.
[1:32:27] Bulla🍌🪑💀 @BullaisQuirkie: Awesome. Thanks very much. Appreciate it.
[1:32:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And Bildo actually responds to DMs, which is good. You know? It's always really good. Let me just say what's up to cancer. Cancer codes. What's good, man? Thank you so much for the invite earlier, man. That was dope. Appreciate you, bro. What's good?
[1:32:43] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Yeah. It was a it was a really great space. Appreciate you making the time to to join. We were we were conferring over earlier about who had the best pitch. I'm gonna be totally honest. Competition was if if you get my trick.
[1:33:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I mean, that's what I wanted to do, though. Right? Like, it's like people are trying, and I think that in and of itself is worth, like, recognizing. But it's also, like, we're not here to... Like, I'm not into eighth place trophies. Right? Like, if if people are gonna do this shit, like, I wanna... And it's something that I can help with, I genuinely want to help them. Like... And it's so simple because it really is that simple. Like, you genuinely just have to talk to your GPT. Like, can't... I literally came up with that whole shtick in fucking... In five minutes. You know what I mean? So... Because I can do it, like, with literally just words, so can everybody else. I think they just need to see the path to be able to do it. And I think teaching people, like, really how to, like, actually prompt this stuff to get the ideas starting to flow around. But... Yeah, man. I'll tell you this, though, Kanter. Like, the hackathon, like, just language is just scary for somebody that is not a developer. Like, you exclude a lot of... Like, what... Just that language in and of itself is just not welcoming. Because I know, like, for me, I'm just like, I filled it out just because, like, alright. Like, let me just... And, hey. I don't have any of these skills. You know? Doesn't... Not applicable. You know? But it's it's super intimidating. Right? Like... So maybe, like, consider... I think you guys might get a bigger turnout if you, like, lighten up the language a little bit. You know what I mean?
[1:34:17] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Yeah. I think that's really great feedback. I think the world is changing so fast. Like, hackathon was the word that developers were the flywheel for all networks, all products, all anything that was trying to create an effective flywheel. And that was the shtick. It's like Apple wants developers to put apps into their App Store. Amazon wants ecommerce sellers to to create their own marketplaces and and so on, Shopify, etcetera. And, like, that's usually... Like, you need that flywheel. And with crypto, for the longest time, that flywheel is so developer centric. And for the first time in history, that is changing really, really rapidly. Three months ago, I would have said, Dave, you're crazy. What are you talking about? That's not, like, a thing. I think we want... We only wanna attract developers to our networks so they can build applications. And, like, that that is all getting thrown out of the window, and we need to start reframing it. It's like, what can you build as a as a user? What kind of applications can you ship as a nondeveloper? What is that gonna look like even within a few months?
[1:35:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I think you give people some of these tools, man. You'd be surprised. But what this does now is this now expands your entire pool of... Instead of being... It... Like, limited to just, like, full stack devs or front end devs or UI, UX. Like, you now have access to, like, every mind out here. Every creative mind, like, if if they actually are really curious enough can genuinely go do this shit. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I I think it'll... I think it's gonna... In the short term, it'll be a little bit, like, tough, but I think, like, you'll see, like, this... When this thing opens up, people are gonna come out with some crazy ideas. You're gonna see the first, like, single one man billion dollar company, like, literally automating fucking everything and anything. But, yeah, no. I'm excite... I'm excited, dude. I mean, I don't know how it's gonna... I probably have a million questions. Like like me and you gotta talk about, like, what exactly, like, I actually want to build in terms of the agent or if I should go that route. Because if I'm being honest, I don't think I have the time to actually do that. But, I mean, 6,500 does sound really good, though, can't I? You know
[1:36:30] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: what mean?
[1:36:31] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: I think you could. You you honestly could. Like, the... Like, even the demos that we've built, like, we... You can recreate that demo quite easily. Like, if you... It's really just like one script. Like, that could be an application on its own. Like, a a Dave a Dave AI agent that answers your question about the show or, like, the reputation based system. I think that idea was just so dope and so necessary in the future that we're we're heading into. Like, I can't stress that enough how important reputation is going to be when you think about AI agents and... As actually being your customer. We need to verify that these agents are doing the thing that they they said they're gonna do. And, like, more importantly too is, like, we get, like, Mikey was touching on this. Like, we're... We got information today from Google. Like, that's that's how we've always done it for, like, the last twenty years if you're born into the age of the Internet. And that... That's all going away, like, instantaneously, and your vehicles of information will actually be AI agents. So how do you trust the AI agent to be giving you good information? Well, these AI agents have to self organize and self rank each other in a reputation based system so that you can actually trust them. Right? If you've got a interface to interact with Dave with his AI agent who tells you everything about his show and the things he's working on. How do we trust that Dave isn't just making stuff up? How do we trust his database, and how do we give him kudos for doing those kinds of things? Like, that... That's the big aspect. But in terms of, like, can you ship something? Can you actually ship an AI agent? You absolutely can. The tools and agent kits are actually really easy to use once you start feeding it into, like, Cursor or Windsurf. So you can have a good... You can start with something really simple, like an AI agent using Convey to answer questions from a knowledge base that you have, and then you can work your way up to actually actually executing logic and transactions and things like that.
[1:38:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: So good stuff, man. I love it. Kent, I appreciate you. Build up.
[1:38:54] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: I gotta get running another space that I gotta hop on to, but did wanna put up... I pinned up to the top think spaces that they host every Thursday. So we've had Mikey from the team on yesterday and today. He'll be with us for the next couple weeks probably. But this space has the rest of the team on there. So if you guys are in the... Interested in learning more about thinking, hearing from the rest of the team, I highly encourage you guys checking out that spaces as well. Yeah. Appreciate it, Dave. I know you're about to wrap up.
[1:39:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. For sure. And, guys, definitely go to that Thursday space so you get to hear the other side. Right? Like, go meet Jesse. Go meet the dude that came up with the whole, like... If you're a football fan, you know what the twelfth man is. Right? Like, this is the kind of shit. Like, then just go talk to this dude and understand the caliber of clients and, like, creative agency that this dude was running, and you'll be able to see. Right? Like, a big thing about these projects of where you put your money behind is who are the founders out here. So, yeah, go go get familiar with them. But, yeah, I'm good. Guys, cool. I apologize for going ten minutes over. Guys, go check out cool stream. He's probably streaming live right now. Chris, thanks for coming. Cantor. Landy, thank you for obviously joining. Landy, when you get on the private plane, like, do they have to put, like, an extra, like, like, for the first step? Like, do they have to put a
[1:40:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yo. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. Some of the some of the planes have some pretty steep stairs. I feel I feel like, you know, they make fun of Biden for falling upstairs. I kinda I kinda felt like I was gonna maybe have to jump and and take the risk,
[1:40:22] PEACHES®️ @PeachesHomes: but I didn't, and I'm good to go.
[1:40:24] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: Mandy's got it with her where he
[1:40:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: can just, like, hop
[1:40:26] ROOKIE CHIEF @Never_Changed01: on somebody's back. They'll walk up the stairs for him. Then once he gets to the top, they just kinda tilt the shoulder and drop him off.
[1:40:35] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh my gosh. You know?
[1:40:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: On that note...
[1:40:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: That's... Yeah. We're done. We're done. Thanks, Cole. Thanks, Cole.
[1:40:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's it. Have a good one.
[1:40:49] Kool @koolcryptovc: The gnomes miss you.