All Things Crypto: Follow the Money & Find the Future

# All Things Crypto: Follow the Money & Find the Future | 2025-06-12 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1dRKZYOMemwxB | status: approved
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[0:00:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Everest, what's good? Najecko, what's cooking? Ian, guys, we got a quantum computer specialist in the building.
[0:00:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: What's up, Ian?
[0:01:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Justice, what's up? Landy in the building. Bitch, what's cooking?
[0:01:39] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: It's good to be here.
[0:01:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Tuh.
[0:01:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: T one and only. What's up? Let's get this to your face.
[0:01:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Jamara, you got full house today, boy.
[0:03:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're not holding up if you don't know if you don't know this one. You you ain't holding up to be on this stage. We too old.
[0:03:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: You guys remember that mace joint? That was such a good joint. What's good, everybody? What's up? Welcome to another ATC. This is our closing episode for the week. It's Thursday. Man, it is a... I don't know about you guys, but, like, my timeline is just one thing after the other. This is how it comes out here, man. It's just waves. There's days where we got nothing to talk about, and then there's days where it's just like, pop pop pop pop pop. Like, a... Yo. There is no shortage of shit. Like, after I put the... I had... I waited to put that tweet out because there was just story after story after story. And I'm just like, okay. Like, now... And since I put that out, there's been another four stories that I still have to send myself over so that... Who knows if we're gonna get to them, but still massively, massively impactful, I think, for the entire crypto industry. But, welcome. I hope everybody's doing good. Guys, I can't be playing Lexi, man. I can't be doing it. Like, I I I refuse. I need to figure out what's going on with Junie. I have an open an open plea with Sam Altman. I shot him a DM. Yeah. Right. As if, yeah. We'll see. I I don't know what's gonna happen with Junie, but hopefully, she's gonna be back soon. And, yeah, we'll go from there.
[0:04:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: But let me say what's
[0:04:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: up to my cohost and everybody that's up here. Cool. What's good, bro? Hey. What's up?
[0:04:34] Kool @koolcryptovc: How you
[0:04:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: guys doing? Happy Thursday.
[0:04:36] Kool @koolcryptovc: I am gonna say I'm probably gonna be out for another week. I'm going to Jamaica with the family. So you guys today today might be the last day you hear you hear from me for for a while, so I'll be back soon soon. So I'll let you guys know. But Jamaica with the family. So that's it. Well, yeah, I'm I'm happy to be here. Let's go. Right away for the show. Let's go.
[0:04:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, let's go. Jamaica with the fam. I like that. Whoo. That's nice. Oh my god. That sounds beautiful, bro. Let me tell you. Vacation is necessary, so enjoy it, bro. We will try and hold down the fort while you are gone. Seriously, take the time that you need. Your fingers need to freaking... From typing and making... Tweeting all this much, bro. Like, just take a rest and fucking just relax, man. Enjoy it. Landy, what's up, my bro?
[0:05:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: I am doing wonderful. Today, Billy Long was confirmed. So I'm doing great. If you don't know who he is, I'll explain a little bit later. So other than that, you know, just watching the markets and all that good stuff, you know, market stuff.
[0:05:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: These are Billy Long. I say... I have no idea what that is, but I'm sure you can tell us in a little bit, and I'm looking forward to Samara, what's up, man? Welcome.
[0:05:43] Samara @thee_samara: Hey, OJM. Dave, Jim, Cole, Jim, Landy, Jim Empress, Jamesonny b. Good to see you guys, man. Yeah. Nothing much. Just out here searching for alpha yapping. Magic meetings come to an end, so yapping heavily about it. So, yeah, that's what we're doing. So, yeah, I'm J and J guys.
[0:05:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Appreciate you being here, Samara. Thank you. Empress, what is up?
[0:06:04] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Not a dang thing, which is nice, you know. I'm here for it.
[0:06:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: What what timeline are you watching? The one that everyone's saying Flywheel. I've been saying Flywheel lately, but I say Flywheel because I actually had an idea. My my Flywheel is is warranted for the record, by the way, just so you know, I think, kinda. Anyways Value
[0:06:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: loop. Value loop, sir.
[0:06:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Vincent, what's good, man?
[0:06:29] Ryan @Rlad1776: All good, man. Got my magic mushroom gummy, so I'm feeling really nice today. No. Just kidding. But, hey, eat them if you got them. But I came up to support my boy, Landy. I couldn't get let him get cooked like he did yesterday by Empress.
[0:06:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hi. Oh, we are starting off feisty today. Sunny d, what's good, bro? Great space. Thank you for this morning, bro. If it's not for you and Trav, man, I'm telling you, bro. Like, I don't know how we get speakers that just don't speak. That should be a prequalification... Pretext. Right? It's like, in order to qualify to be a speaker on the space, you should be able to speak. I don't know. But what's up, bro?
[0:07:04] Ryan @Rlad1776: Yeah. I'll get... I'll send them some feedback. It's true. We need to get some more. Well, I mean, folks aren't... They're just kinda sleeping on Tron. And when everybody wakes up, then things will happen. Till then, we're just carrying the torch.
[0:07:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Literally sleeping on the space. The tube would fuck at the end of the day. Shit. Good to ask you.
[0:07:26] Ryan @Rlad1776: Hey, Dave. Can you... I wasn't paying attention. Can you repeat the question?
[0:07:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm sorry. Who is even talking right now? Who is that? Oh, shit. Yo. Sonny, I didn't even... I'm looking at that, I'm like, what the fuck? Oh my god. Y'all can't be having two people speak from the fuck... Yo. Anyways, throwing me off already on this game. I'm like, oh my god. I'm really tweaking out of it. This is crazy. Speaking of mushrooms, Vincent. Anyways, Meta Beast, what's up?
[0:07:56] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Quite a bit, actually. I have some things to talk about myself today. And one of them is today is the first day that all things crypto is being streamed into ATC World.
[0:08:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Can you tell can you you tell us a little bit more? What is ATC World?
[0:08:20] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: So it is still a work in progress, but it is one of my decentraland worlds that I have to build in. And I threw something together, one of which is a giant video screen, and finally got the streaming bit down.
[0:08:41] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: So I threw it up on the screen. Okay. Got every... I got every... I got everybody's PFP in there,
[0:08:52] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: some other things here and there. We even got our own landy. We even got our own little personal jet.
[0:09:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, is that so? Okay. I'd like
[0:09:06] Kkoma @itskkoma: link to it?
[0:09:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Can you pin it up to the top?
[0:09:09] Ryan @Rlad1776: Please tell me it's not India air.
[0:09:13] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: The jet? No. It's on the ground. And the... I I can post the link. There... It is Decentraland, and it will tell you to download a client. Oh. There is there is a way around that. You just have... I I think all you have to do is tell it no, and I think there is an option to still log in through the old web browser way, hopefully. So I know that might be a deterrent, but hopefully not.
[0:09:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Listen. A, number one, thank you for obviously putting ATC land together. That's amazing, bro. Like, that's incredible. Thank you, number one. You bet. Yeah. I'm definitely gonna test it out for
[0:10:00] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: sure. TrueMedia coming next.
[0:10:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, let's go. Shout out to the TrueMedia crew. I love it. Shout out to everybody that's here. Ian, welcome, man. It's good to obviously chat with you. Thanks for obviously coming on. Love you being, obviously, a part of this. I don't know if you're sure how how things work, but maybe give people maybe an intro as to as to you and who you are.
[0:10:22] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Oh, sure. So I'm one of the people who's working to make Bitcoin quantum safe. I've collaborated on some bits. I talked to people that are doing, you know, programming and, you know, we're talking protocols. And I I think that Bitcoin has a very good path to quantum safety. We just have to get enough people to discuss it and reach consensus on, like, what to do with Satoshi's coins, what cryptography to add, things like that. Amazing. Do we sell 6,200,000 Bitcoin into the market, or do we burn them, or do we, like, make people migrate and then burn the people who don't migrate, things like that. We should discuss that. I'm not going to have an opinion about any of that, but I will explain all of the choices. And then my my day job is I'm trying to save web three from quantum computing because they have no migration path. But I am definitely not here to show, like, what Web three should do. I am definitely, like, concerned about ZK because it's insecure today, and it can be broken today. So I'll share a a link if you guys are interested in the academic papers on that. But it... It's also not quantum safe, so that affects Bitcoin in a very different way. And all these, like, layer twos create additional problems. So I've been in in cryptocurrency since 2002, which is a long time, but I've met some of the people who were in it longer back in the the nineties when they were still writing papers. I didn't have a very good idea, so I didn't publish it. Didn't release it. I should have anyway. But I'm just here for the space, and if that's something to add, I'll raise up my hand. If not, I'll just let you guys kinda conduct business. If you wanna hear from me, call on me. I'll answer any questions you guys will.
[0:12:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Incredible. Yeah, man. Thank you so much for obviously being here, Ian. I I just knew that, like, once we chat... Once we got into the DMs, I was just like, I gotta have you on on the burn in some capacity, shape, or form, and that was perfect intro, dude. Thank you. Yeah. Anything that you wanna add to, feel free to throw your hand up, contribute. We're a bunch of Heathens up here. We're constantly cutting each other off anyway. But I think if... When... If and when you speak, I think we're probably all gonna shut up because it sounds like you have a lot more experience than the rest of us. So thank you for joining. It's... Yeah. I I really appreciate you to see me here. Good stuff. Coma, welcome. You're late. You're fired.
[0:13:06] Kkoma @itskkoma: Well well, that's a a very nice welcome. Thank you, Dave. It's good to be here. Happy Thursday.
[0:13:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Appreciate. Yo, man. There was some crazy shit that went on a virtual today. I saw people making 450 exit with some shit. Iris, what is going on, man? There is so much cooking in this market, guys. I don't even know where to start, but let me just say what's up to Justice. Justice, what's up? How are you?
[0:13:29] Samara @thee_samara: Yo. What's up, everybody? Happy Thursday. Yeah. I'm I'm chill. Yeah. I'm just, you know, on the till. Looking for alpha's grinding and all of that. So, yeah, shout out to everyone.
[0:13:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thursdays are popping today, man. People are awake. The timeline is alive. Spaces are alive. Look at this shit, man. Bread, let's cook it, man. Great space earlier, by the way, with the agent hustle boys.
[0:13:53] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. GM fan. Not a not a whole lot. Just hanging out. It's just started pouring rain here, which is kinda nice. And I will do my best to not run this shit off the rails too hard today if... As long as, you know, Empress and Landy don't encourage me.
[0:14:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Don't encourage them, guys. What the fuck? Stop it. Stop with the encouragement. Man, I I genuinely don't know where to start. I feel like if I start with the first story of the 216 entities that hold over 6,000,000 Bitcoin, we're gonna go down rabbit hole city. So I'm gonna hold off on that because I'm sure, like, I know... I wanna hear Ian so bad, but I feel like we're never gonna get to the second, like... Or any other of the 50 different stories that are on here. So as I'm looking through this, let's
[0:14:41] Kkoma @itskkoma: start
[0:14:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: with the Zuck story. So senator Warren and Blumenthal back on the warpath, they got DM deja vu. Zuck and Meta are obviously conspire... Not conspiring. They're obviously, like, trying to put some stuff together, obviously, since the stablecoin act. Will the hill let Zuck mint his own money this time? It it is essentially the story here. Zuck is obviously trying... You know, you you have a lot of these big tech companies that are gonna be looking to obviously issue a ton of stablecoins. Is this stuff that we obviously need to be afraid of? Do we need to be worried about? And, I mean, anything that says Elizabeth Warren next to it, I'm not really for. But, I mean, at this point, what do we think?
[0:15:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Cool. What's up? And then we'll go to the...
[0:15:23] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I'm I'm not... See, wait. So he's saying, is she forward or she's she's not forward?
[0:15:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, no. They're they're gonna dig into his ass, bro. Like, they're
[0:15:32] Kool @koolcryptovc: just like, yeah. Not. So... Got it. Got it. Oh, yeah. So, you know, Meta, I think they tried doing this before with... What's that author... What's that's it called again? Yeah. Jamie, started doing this four years ago, and I... They said, hell no. So it's been years. It's been years since this happened. So I think it's it's a possibility, man, because the environment has changed, guys. The environment is different now. A lot more banks and companies want their own stablecoin. I'm not... I I spoke about this yesterday. I said a a lot of companies are gonna try to launch their own stablecoin. So he has a he has a a good chance of of of having his own stablecoin, man, for Meta. Very, very good chance because the environment is different now. This is not seven years ago. This is 2025. You're like, things are different now, and I don't know. I think my my my only my only issue might be, you know, what happens after Trump leaves. Are we... It's all about who's in power when Trump leaves office. Right?
[0:16:30] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: They Don't worry about it. Trump is never leaving. It's fine. He's king.
[0:16:35] Kool @koolcryptovc: So it it all depends. It all depends on, you know, what what happens on the new Republican party. Are they gonna go a different direction or or keep carrying carrying the Trump flag or the Democrats getting power again and stop being hostile to crypto again? But I... In my opinion, I believe it's probably gonna happen again. I think the environment is just so different. There's too much money in this industry now to to slow to to slow down now. So I think it's coming. I think it's coming.
[0:17:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Interesting. Metabeast go for it, and then we'll go to Ian.
[0:17:09] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Well, I... No. I want the next topic.
[0:17:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, okay. You got it. Ian, chime in. Go for it.
[0:17:16] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: So there was Libra and DM, and then all of that team left, and they made SUI. And it was open source. It was free. And then the people at Aptose were like, hey. Look. A free blockchain. They downloaded it, and then they raised billions of dollars off of it and and launched it with no product of their own. They just downloaded the copy that was available for free. So you have, you know, kind of, like, four chains of an evolution that that happened from the original programmers and the original development. But it's today is is the blockchain that they'd created. I think that the bigger concern for having Zuckerberg launch a stablecoin is international payments. Facebook is, like, dying as grandmothers are dying. Like, there's not many people on Facebook. Instagram has a big hit with the youth, but they still don't have, like, any answer to TikTok. And so it's like influencers and bots. But where they have a lot of influence is in the political ads and the political sphere around the world. They were directly involved in getting several contentious people elected. I think one of them was, what, The Philippines. The guy's family stole billions of dollars, and Zuckerberg helped the son get elected to office. And so that political influence is a form of soft power to wield policy if they let Zuckerberg do it, but it's also super dangerous because you don't want Zuckerberg having all of this influence that he can make. Now he's also one of the youngest billionaires. So out of, like, the top 10, everybody else is gonna die, and it's gonna be him for the next, like, forty years. So they have to worry about his legacy and how big his legacy gets before he reaches the same age as, you know, Elon or a bunch of other people.
[0:19:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. There's so much I wanna ask over there. Wait. So you're saying it was Libra, DM, and then SUI as in the SUI that we have today or another SUI?
[0:19:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. It's MOVE.
[0:19:40] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: That's SUI. That's it.
[0:19:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. It's MOVE.
[0:19:43] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: That is it. Yeah.
[0:19:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wow. Yeah. Lendi, go... Thanks, Ian. Yeah.
[0:19:47] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Move is
[0:19:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: the program. Amazing. I didn't know that. Holy shit. Lendi, go for it. I wanna hear you.
[0:19:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's it's built on Move. So that was their their original. And when it... When that failed, Sui, Aptos, and a bunch of others tried. Sui and Aptos are really the only major relevant ones. I think that they're gonna try and come back. Look. I I think that no matter what at the end of the day, Zuck's gonna end up with a stablecoin. I think that that is just a matter of time. It... It's inevitable. We we know the genius act is gonna get passed at this point. I I don't see... Oh, man. There's so there's so many rabbit holes to go down here, but it... It's definitely... I think out of all the crypto legislation, I think that's the one that will pass. I'm actually not very sure that the Bitcoin act will pass. I think that it's going to be Genius Act. They might, they might throw on some other, stablecoin legislation as well to dovetail things in and tighten things up. But they they need a they need a vector for sucking up US treasuries, right, and exporting the dollar. So the Fed doesn't wanna do it. The Fed also doesn't wanna be on the hook for CBDCs, so they'll they'll spin down pilots, which they've been doing. There was three pilots running. They're almost dead now in The United States because why? You don't even need them. You're you're already operating inside of a walled garden anyway with the traditional fiat systems. Let everybody else launch stablecoins, back it with US treasuries, then the Fed doesn't have to balance sheet expand or QE as much or as quickly. And then they can offload all the treasury demand to all these stablecoins export the dollars. So they get their cake. They get to eat it too, and everyone gets rich along the way. And, Zuck is not gonna be left out of that game. Absolutely not gonna be left out. So, you know, he he got sidelined, this past election. He's going to come back in a very big way, I think. And I don't know if we're gonna get lizard zuck or bro zuck, but he's gonna be very, very wealthy doing whatever he's doing next, and it's gonna involve stablecoins. It's gonna involve a revitalization of the move code and a chain of their own. And Elizabeth Warren can stomp and scream as much as she wants. It's not gonna it's not gonna happen. This is the way things are going.
[0:22:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. He said, bro suck or lizard suck. Oh, man. I love that. I absolutely love that. Yeah. I mean, it's get the... I don't know. With with Zuck, it's almost like you never know because it was like he took the... When I saw that interview of, like, with him and Joe Rogan, he was like, yeah. In the administration. Like, they made us do this. They made us do that. Now all of sudden, he's like, no. We're not gonna be doing this anymore. It's like, bro, I don't know, man. I feel like Zuck just moves with with with the current. You know what I mean? That's not the... Yeah.
[0:22:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: Dave, he said everything an asset of the CIA would say and and multiple governments at that. So he literally... He will move with whichever way the political wind is blowing.
[0:22:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Facts. That is facts. Alright. Good stuff. Yeah. We don't gonna spend too much more time on Zuck, but I just pinned this up to the top. Guys, we literally were just talking about this yesterday. Okay? Platforms using Stripe Connect can now offer stablecoin payments to their users. First out the gate is Shopify. Literally, we talked about this exactly yesterday. I mean, obviously, the huge news that came yesterday, now Shopify is gonna enable millions of their merchants to accept payments in USDC. Landy, cool. You guys think maybe we were were we wrong about the USDC IPO maybe? Like, I mean, we couldn't anticipate this news, but this seems like this is the accelerant right now, boys. I don't know. This is fuel on the fire.
[0:23:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: Cool.
[0:23:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Anyone? Nope. Nope. Nothing?
[0:23:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, yeah. No. This is this is absolutely the way things were gonna go with USDC. Look. It's... They're they're they're here. Right? They're headquartered here. So this is this is big. And and the IPO oversubscription and, like, all the others... Look. This is just all pointing in the direction of we need more than one vector. It is a... This is a big deal. It's now down to UI UX. How are they gonna how are they gonna handle it for regular everyday normies for adoption? I think it's gonna be foisted upon normies, and they're just gonna make them figure it out, screw ups and all. And, and... Yeah. I mean, USDC is gonna lead the charge in that regard. Tethr still has an uphill battle to... I mean, they have the lead, but we've seen how leads can get... Can can evaporate very quickly many, many times in industry leaders. And I think, you know, with some of the challenge and pushback that they've gotten overseas in The UK, especially, that that does open up the door of... And and so does stablecoin legislation. Right? And that was right back to Genius Act and all that stuff. They're just they're just... They're greasing the rails. It's all coming together. So so, Randy,
[0:25:17] Ryan @Rlad1776: I have to ask then because didn't they just launch USDC on the XRP Ledger? You know? So that's another expansion and absorption of USDC. Right? How do you see that kinda playing out?
[0:25:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, I see that the rails are headed up in that regard, and we will eventually hit critical speed where then we can five d ascend with the XRPL bloodshed.
[0:25:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: So I'm not... I had to go there.
[0:25:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: I couldn't give a serious answer
[0:25:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: to this. Yeah. So,
[0:25:52] Ryan @Rlad1776: Dave, we... Maybe we should launch a meme coin called Mushroom on the XRP.
[0:25:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, I'm so in. Let's go. Like, shroom on XRPL. Are you kidding me? Like, I think it would crush, bro. I know just the guy, by the way, to go to it. Are you kidding me? The aiagent.run. Oh my god. Yeah. Let's go.
[0:26:08] Ryan @Rlad1776: Yeah. Holders get some free gummies.
[0:26:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. I'm fucking good. Crypto would be so much better, man, if people just fucking shroomed a little bit on a daily basis. I swear to god, it would be so much better. People are just so much more chill on the timeline. You know? Cool's out. You guys see Cool's post? He's talking about exposing fucking scammers. Since when? I never knew Cool to be, like, the the the expose type of guy. What is this... This is a crazy town we're living in right now. I don't even know.
[0:26:35] Kool @koolcryptovc: It was just a question, man. I I I I was still thinking. I don't think I should, though, because you you don't wanna... Look. We're we're here to make money. We're to to turn our families, lies, and all that. But, man, starting drama on the timeline, I don't know, man. I don't I
[0:26:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: don't think I think there's a way to do it without causing I'll just
[0:26:50] Kool @koolcryptovc: keep keep keep myself, man.
[0:26:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Keep it
[0:26:52] Kool @koolcryptovc: to myself. No problem.
[0:26:53] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: I do tons of drama.
[0:26:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. Well, it's your duty to
[0:26:58] Ryan @Rlad1776: your community to make sure they are safe. You gotta call them out.
[0:27:04] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Oh, they're just people lying about their cryptography. So I have a list of about 45 people who can't tell the truth about what math they use, and I call them out on a regular basis.
[0:27:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Ian, you are gonna become very good friends, sir.
[0:27:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: See, we just have our best friends. Yep.
[0:27:22] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I think it all has to do with the delivery, the way it is brought about and the facts that you have. I think you can do it in a way that doesn't get people worked up, make... Because I know a lot of times when people call somebody out, many people are like, oh, that guy's just nuts. But there... I believe... Truly believe there's a way to go about it and at least get it out there for people to take a deeper look at something if they feel they need to.
[0:27:53] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: I link the source code, and they say that I'm lying.
[0:27:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I I
[0:27:59] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: show them their actual code that says ED25519, and they say that I'm lying because they can't spell ED25519. Accepted that to me yesterday and today.
[0:28:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[0:28:16] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I couldn't I couldn't argue against that because I have no idea what you're talking.
[0:28:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: And that's... I think
[0:28:21] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: in that case...
[0:28:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think that is the point is the audience in which you're... Like, who you're actually taught. Like, who are the people that this is being disseminated to is the question because if they don't understand, then it's like... Then it's who spins it better. Right? Speaking of eloquent delivery, as... Empress hit us.
[0:28:39] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: People don't care. Fuck all. If you call out scammers, they go back again and again. Look at the people that have, you know, rugged this place over and over, and there's an entire army of of dogs running around. But you can educate, and you can do it in a way that is that is targeting more the group. And that's what I pivoted to. The callouts that I reserve myself to are clapbacks when I'm doing things. But if you're gonna call people out, it's better to just be like, hey. How about that KOL who just showed 19 tickers on their freaking timeline? But you don't have to add them because that pretty much describes, I don't know, most KOLs. So that's the way that I go about calling people out these days after years of, you know, fighting and scrapping and everything else?
[0:29:29] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I tell people what happened to me, how it went down, and say it's up
[0:29:35] Samara @thee_samara: to you to
[0:29:36] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: decide. I mean
[0:29:37] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: But if you include the individual meta base but if you include the individual meta base, the reality is is you can... Like, it... It's just not worth it. You can lead a horse to water. They're not gonna... They... We have seen... Anyone who's been here for any amount of time has seen massive grifters that just... Sometimes they go dark even for, like, two months. And then they come back, and they're like, hey. It's fine. And then you can tell people it's just... It's completely wasted energy. I just think it's so much more, like, effective to globally educate about things to look for versus, like, the individual throwdown.
[0:30:15] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Fair enough because mine have probably not been big fish.
[0:30:22] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: What... But one I just did is put out there right now is just... There's there's a second banker bot with a second r out there just alerting people. So I I I can probably understand that. I'm guessing the people I have done it about have not been huge fish.
[0:30:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: But it's just people that get you...
[0:30:43] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. But, Metabies, that's a problematic... That's an impostor account. Like, those types things people call out all the time. That's not a big deal. Like, if you see a fake Dave account and you put it up on your timeline, that's not an individual. I think we're talking about, like, when you are... Like, people who go on spaces, people that you know that are prominent figures, that scrapping is what we were going toward.
[0:31:04] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. That's why I said bigger fish. But... Yeah. Yeah. So now it's the same there too. Yeah.
[0:31:11] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Battelleck is lying.
[0:31:13] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: You want a scrap, Ian? You just come from my bags? Banker just integrated e. Just come from my bag.
[0:31:22] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: But... Okay. So if he rewinds the chain like he's saying that he's going to, then it's gonna break all the bridges, all the connections, all the layer twos. That's all gone unless they also rewind to the exact same point. And that also includes the dApps being out of sync because there's a database that has to run to give you all those permissions. The source of truth is the blockchain. But if a blockchain rewinds, the databases are all broken. And then it's gonna burn between 30 to 70% of wallets.
[0:31:56] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. Ian, that's not
[0:31:57] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: what doing. From him himself. But, yeah, this is what Metallic is planning.
[0:32:02] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: No. No. No. We are going to kidnap him. He's never allowed to have sex again so that he goes back to being a geek and paying attention to what he's supposed to do. Then we're gonna teach him about a business and how he can tax the EVMs that are building on his foundational layer and actually make any amount of money instead of just being used and abused and pretending to get laid and causing us a whole bunch of headache. That's my plan.
[0:32:25] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Anyone could subdue him, Empress is the gal.
[0:32:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Listen. He...
[0:32:31] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Oh, go ahead.
[0:32:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: I was just gonna say, look. I... I've been hearing a lot about how Eath is a slow cook. And, you know, my natural clap back is, yes. It's a slow cook to zero. But that's not the way in which I envisioned it was was him burning everything down around him, you know, but that's just me. And, also, I'm joking for all my ETH friends down there that, yes, I'm a Bitcoin first guy. So...
[0:32:58] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: And I'm not joking for the record. He's just covering his ass for his network.
[0:33:02] Landy @CryptoLandy: I am. Yes. I am....
[0:33:03] Bread @_ToastMalone: ETH friends up here. And each friends up here, sir.
[0:33:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, sorry, Brett.
[0:33:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Well, Andy, and this is this is perfectly on the heels of the news story that came out earlier today that said, Larry Fink says he has no plans to retire anytime in the near future.
[0:33:19] Chai @chai_lens: Long as daddy
[0:33:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: as long as daddy Blackrock's around, bro, it seems to me like he's gonna be around. Yeah.
[0:33:26] Kool @koolcryptovc: I mean, he... Is he that old? Is that old? Right? He's like, what's... Yeah.
[0:33:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's in his sixties. Yeah.
[0:33:31] Kool @koolcryptovc: Bro, I used to... Oh, Roy Buffett retired in '99, man. Boy, this dude is here for, like, thirty years. What are you talking about? He's not going
[0:33:39] Bread @_ToastMalone: As long as as long as, you know, the high end art market continues to launder money the way they do, Heath isn't going anywhere.
[0:33:45] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: And at Mappers. Right? And at Mappers. We're here. We're here. It's all good. Dave, also, don't forget to check your DMs. Two other things popped up. So...
[0:33:54] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Yeah. Amazing. Metallica's talking about destroying all of the institutional accounts.
[0:34:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hello? Explain.
[0:34:04] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Okay. So his idea is that you're gonna not have a a wallet anymore based off of your private key. You're gonna use your seed phrase to do every transaction. And then a ZK Stark will prove that your, like, recovery phrase would eventually create the wallet address you're trying to spend from. That will be the new transaction style, and anybody who tries to use a private key will just get an error. Like, your wallet will be useless unless you're using MetaMask and putting in your recovery phrase. Are you with me so far?
[0:34:42] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: But you know why? Because of Privy, because what we're seeing. He's... He... I mean, he's a decentralization maxi, so he's still trying to pivot in that direction. It's it's obviously not feasible. And, we're going to kidnap him, but I'm just saying that, like, I do understand the the Mentus. What?
[0:35:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Just No.
[0:35:02] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: No. This isn't This isn't about decentralization. This is about quantum safety. He has to break the cryptography. And what he's planning to do is to break the cryptography in a way that breaks all of the institutional accounts. It breaks all of the exchange accounts. It breaks anybody who's using code.
[0:35:21] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: What does that lead to? Why is he doing that though?
[0:35:25] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Well, it would be quantum safe after it recovers maybe eventually, but only in a really, really complicated and sideways
[0:35:32] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: ethos of catering to the decentralization is the point. Right?
[0:35:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hold on. Hold on.
[0:35:37] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Yeah. The emperor's decentralization.
[0:35:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: Ian, he's he's first gotta make a move to risk five and get the freaking emulation up and running No. And Sorry.
[0:35:48] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: I'm like...
[0:35:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: To do any of this. Right? Because as it stands right now, he wants to move to risk five. They've already floated that out there. And the overhead cost for emulation is is acceptable for the trade off. Right? And to even get there, because that in and of itself doesn't make it quantum safe or quantum secure, then he would have to start working on this other stuff. But I don't think he's ever gonna find consensus with any of it. So he can try... Oh, we lost Ian. We can... He can try. I think he's going to try and fail, and only a portion of his ideas are going to be integrated. The only thing that I've seen that even caught traction was the move to risk five, and then and then emulation until hardware catches up. And I would love to have a quantum talk with with Ian sometime. This is probably not the the right venue to do it. But, you know, if we if we do have, you know, quantum computers breaking cryptography, which at some point they will with the current cryptography that we currently have. We have much bigger problems than Satoshi's wallet and Bitcoin and everything else. I mean, the whole world is is essentially at risk. Web two, web three, any any technology, any encryption is a... Is at risk. And and there's far bigger fish to fry even outside of the crypto space than going after some of this stuff. It would just kinda all happen at once if if I had to hazard a guess. And that's why it's a very important thing that we are talking about in the Bitcoin community. I'm glad that you brought up some of the BIPs. There are BIPs. There is... NIST is working on this stuff. There's a there's a private public concerted effort to look into this and how to solve for these things, but it's gonna be a long road. And, fortunately, at this time, I'm on the side of those who are creating creating quantum computers are lying about where they are at in terms of their their technology. And I can... Yeah. I'll stop there. They're they're lying about where they're at.
[0:38:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think so too. I kind of agree with that because I I I... As of 2022, I think it was when I was looking into this quantum computing. When I was looking into quantum computing, IBM said that they were gonna have, like, a a 1,200, cubit, quantum computer, or some crazy number. And, like, you know, 1,200 cubits is, like, it's wild. But... Yeah. Ian, I shot you I shot you an invite. I don't know if you can... If you wanna request to come about, please, like, feel free. We'd love to have you back up here. If you're on your laptop, definitely switch off the laptop and get on from your mobile device. It makes it a lot easier. But, yeah, crazy stuff. Alright. What else we got cooking? Coinbase one rolls out an American Express card. Coinbase one. I mean, listen. I I kinda love this because this is gonna be my big old fuck you to American Express who probably shut down my account when I was 24 years old. So I was spending a frivolous amount of money doing ridiculously stupid things and driving myself deep into debt. Thank you so much, American Express. But now if I get to have my Coinbase one card, which I already do, and I've been a Coinbase one member for a very long time because everything I do is in crypto. Suck it, American Express. Do we like this Coinbase one? Yes? No? Maybe? Where we at? Empress?
[0:39:23] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: You're asking me about Coinbase?
[0:39:26] Bread @_ToastMalone: Nope. Cool.
[0:39:29] Kool @koolcryptovc: Of of of course, I love this, man. This is this is a way to easily onboard the the, you know, the web two people. They they will have to learn about, you know, package swap and Uniswap and all this stuff. They will just... They'll stay on. I actually saw a article today about Coinbase. They they... In... They're integrating a lot of DEXs into their app. So if if you're making transactions on Coinbase, they're actually using Uniswap or Aave or whatever. So... Or an only one app. So this is a good thing. All this is it makes it easier for the average user to use crypto. That's that's what we want. This is the first step of adoption of definitely a a beautiful thing to happen for
[0:40:12] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: sure.
[0:40:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: So that Arrow drone was posting as well. Coinbase one app. Like, so now you're gonna be able to trade millions of fucking tokens. Yay for everybody. Well, yeah, that that...
[0:40:22] Kool @koolcryptovc: That's the reason why they... It's up, like, 20, 30%, man. Aerodrome and, like, all the tokens that they that... That'd be integrated with the Coinbase app are up massively today.
[0:40:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Empress, you wanna talk about Coinbase?
[0:40:36] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Oh my god. I'm so glad you asked. I just wanted to grab the tweet that I have up top. You know what? Here's the thing. What did I say? Follow the rich, get richer. But, also, if you look up top, once it loads for the people who can't see it, people have no idea how entrenched the Coinbase mafia is throughout all of crypto. So I say pay attention to the stock being potentially tokenized, and that's, like, the most stratified thing I've ever said in my life, but there's been a lot of talks about that. And, additionally, I think that it is a massive... I think the guy's a genius. Armstrong's a genius because I think he has built out an absolutely massive monopoly in an unregulated space. And that in the future, we'll be looking at many, many attempts to have that broken up, but it'll take obviously a long time. And I think that should play out very interesting. But in the meantime, always paying attention to the early aspect. Great. Sure. Fine. Whatever. I have a Coinbase wallet, but I don't have the Coinbase app because when you don't have the KYC on? And I think Coinbase is the root of all evil, and I would get a MetaMask credit card before I would get a Coinbase credit card, although I don't have a Coinbase credit card. To be fair, though, in the interest of deep pockets and getting rich and being early, fuck all the idiots that are going to sign up for it, and I hope there's millions, and it's a great onboarding apparatus for that purpose. Go us.
[0:42:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. I'll take my 4% back, cash back, and Bitcoin all day every day. Your fuck you has been noted. Thank you, miss. What... Good take. I like it.
[0:42:23] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Notice I compare it to 10, and I like 10. I'm just saying. There we go.
[0:42:29] Bread @_ToastMalone: Love Coinbase.
[0:42:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: You better love you love Coinbase, motherfucker. I'm sorry.
[0:42:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm over here actually puking right now. But... Yeah. No. I mean, this is all inevitable stuff. Gemini has their Gemini card. You've got Kraken's coming out with something too. This is... You know, it's all about who they partner with, and, you know, sir, they're gonna they're gonna do numbers on it likely from existing users, and I'm sure that'll be good for those that go to use it. Look. I begrudgingly have to use Coinbase Institutional for some of the work that I do, And it is not... It's not even a good experience. Like, what the fuck? You got all the freaking money in the world to actually fix your bullshit. I have so I have so many misgivings with the way that they run their business, the way that they purposely take down one side of their fucking application when there's a volatility. Yet I can get in there and I can trade. No problem. So there's there's a lot of problems over there.
[0:43:34] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: It's probably to add ease of access access for the government, you know, agencies that they're in bed with with all the Department of Defense contracts that they already have prior to the centralization of our entire world.
[0:43:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: No comment. No. Okay.
[0:43:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ian, please go for it.
[0:43:52] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Okay. So I I missed the whole quantum dialogue. I realized that there are a lot of people inside the quantum space that are completely lying about their product. I'm gonna call out Microsoft as being notorious for making fake announcements and not having a product, and I think they've done this again with their chip. I think what they have is a physics process that they cannot demonstrate well, and they invented the idea of a chip just to, like, have something. But there's a bunch of quantum computers that are... Exist and are usable, not just the smoke and mirrors crap. I knew that IBM was not gonna be able to hit their milestones and their road map back when I saw it in... I think it was, like, 2018 was the time they announced this one. And because it's just like, okay. There's too many too many wires involved in their road map. And I think we're on, like, road map version four, and now it's using networking to achieve scale. And that is gonna work. That's already been done by some some groups, and they just have to, like, basically do a much, much simpler thing to make their their IBM system scale. Their current road map will keep them in the top 10. It is nowhere near the leader. The leader would be SciQuantum, and you can watch videos of their manufacturing facilities, watch videos of their their equipment. I just posted a new one where he walks through kind of the lab and the assembly area. You can see the same evidence from other pictures, that that have been posted by, Pete Shadbolt previously. The reason that they're the leader is because they have a horizontally scaling mass produced network system, and it runs.
[0:45:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: We don't know powerful is it?
[0:45:56] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Well, the thing about it being horizontally scaling and mass produced is that it grows in power every month. It's been in mass production for thirteen months.
[0:46:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: And what is it capable of actually doing? Like, how... I I mean, when when... I know how... Like, the unit of measurement in cubits, but, I mean, that's... I don't really know much, like, to to to that extent. But how... Like, what can it, like, what can it break or crack now?
[0:46:24] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Nothing now. We expect that with... They're they're declaring that they're gonna have a big enough machine to break Bitcoin, by 2027. They've had some some slight delays, and so they're saying 2028 for a massive, massive machine that's over a million cubits. But they're photonics. They don't... They run at four degrees. They, like, prefer two, but they can run four degrees Kelvin. None of this point o two Kelvin stuff. They can run on heat... Liquid hydrogen or liquid helium, whereas IBM and Google need to run on radioactive isotope called helium three or helium four, and then they have to run it in a, I kid you not, liquid metal format. That's how cold it is. They're turning... The... Yeah. It's really cold.
[0:47:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Ian Ian, I I I don't want you to get too too into the technicals because literally this is going, I'm sure, over 98% of the people hears heads. I guess what is... You know what? Let let... Let's maybe hold... I wanna... Maybe let's hold off on the quantum for right now because I have so many questions. And if we have a little bit of time at the end, I wanna get into it because I generally do wanna know, like, what the actual quantum threat is to, like, a lot of these chains. Right? Like like, whenever, like... You you know what I mean? So... But I don't wanna go down that rabbit hole just just yet. So hang tight for me. Let's get through a few more stories. And then if you're cool, let's... We'll we'll dig into it at the end. Alright? Amazing. Good stuff. Empress, really quickly, this this post you put at the top for for ton, what what what is it what is it saying here? What... Like, what's the issue?
[0:48:06] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Nothing. I got into 10 under $2, and the... That was my fuck you coin base. I like 10 better than you.
[0:48:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, got it. Amazing. By the way, great setup. Tomorrow, I'm going to be doing a one on one interview. You guys know my Alpha League lives that I do on the WagMe Hub space with, Victor, the orange PFP guy. He is their global community lead. So I am excited. This is the dude that literally brought tap to earn. Like, guys, remember hamster combat? Yay. So I'm going one on one with no holds barred. I get to ask what?
[0:48:37] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: The hamster combat. But to be fair, mindless gave me the time call to begin with, so that worked out.
[0:48:42] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yo. You guys are hamster racing though because that shit was lit.
[0:48:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hamster racing? Never heard of hamster racing. Yeah. Motherfucker's so special. Oh my god. You guys are so special. Okay. What else do we got cooking? Let me see here. What other stories? My SpongeBob. No. Not
[0:49:03] Bread @_ToastMalone: you. One, Dave. I got one. Big story today. The whole Internet broke earlier, bro, and it was bullshit. Like, Cloudflare went down, and so... Yeah. Like, Supabase was down because of it, and then because Supabase was down, my APIs went down, and it was an absolute nightmare for most of the afternoon. Like, yeah. Ultimately, I think people don't realize that, like, how much b to b, like, actually happens in tech and that, like, every single tech company relies on, like, 10 other tech companies to stay running. And then when one breaks, like, the... Everything breaks. And so, you know, decentralized is the, you know, kind of a huge benefit in that regard. You know, shout out Empress. There we go. You know, if we could decentralize a bunch of that infra that's feeding and powering all of these databases and APIs and AIs and LLMs and all this shit, like, that's what we should be building towards. There is no token, just shit that works. Are you
[0:50:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: saying that all of my webs... The web three ethos is all built and dependent on web two infrastructure? That is crazy. Wait. Damn it. Landy, go for it.
[0:50:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Am I actually gonna take a victory lap today because, you know, that old dinosaur network that no one wants to use called Bitcoin had no problems at all. But if you wanted to bridge out to anything else, all these other networks are having problems because what did they do with all their nodes, signers, and validators? Oh, they're in these big data centers. Oh, that's right. And then when Cloudflare has a little outage, oh, no. Now they can't even contact their own. So any of those signers, validators, and nodes that are outside of the data centers end up overloaded because there's, like, four of them total, and then Bitcoin just keeps humming along. No problems at all. Oh, you don't have Internet anymore? That's okay. You can use your cell phone for the cell phone towers, you can just connect to your cell phone, and you can transact just fine on the Bitcoin network, that dinosaur network that no one wants to use, that is super valuable and everybody's looking at day in, day out going, Bitcoin, please go up so my alts go up. Well, guess what? It's the fallback, and people were actually going and using it to do transactions today. And that was... I I don't have
[0:51:32] Bread @_ToastMalone: ten minutes to wait for an API
[0:51:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: call, bro. Listen. You you didn't... You had an hour or two that you're waiting. Ten minutes is far shorter than that. So... Look. I I I I have to I have to joke about this because it is hilarious every single time that I have a a network conversation with others going, no. We're decentralized. Our network's decentralized too. And I'm like, oh, cool. How many nodes, signers, and validators do you have? We have 211. Cool. How many are in data centers? A 150. Cool. So when that gets fucked, you're down to 50. And how many of those are actually signers? Oh, okay. So you're screwed, by the way, because you're gonna be overloaded, and you will not have the dispersion that we have on this network over here simply because of the way it's constructed. And... Yes. So it's always a good conversation. I get to clap back on these types of days. You know, that and network pauses and stuff like that, and then they go, but but but... And and and, you know, they can butt butt butt their way all the way down the centralized rabbit hole if they'd like.
[0:52:44] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Do I get to take a lap with Landy?
[0:52:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. Yeah. You can.
[0:52:48] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Can we go back to my beginnings with something called XLM, the stellar protocol, which I left in your hands, and I don't know what happened, And their announcement that they are under... Although they have to be approved by New York State Department of Financial will be the third blockchain to they're putting their PayPal stablecoin on along with Ethereum and the... I wouldn't... The Solana's stablecoin is kind of a joke considering the blockchain itself is unstable. Oh. But they don't.
[0:53:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Screenshots. I like this. And for the record, that was not dropped. The ball was not dropped by me. I even reached out on LinkedIn. She never wrote back to me, bro. I followed up
[0:53:35] Samara @thee_samara: Okay.
[0:53:35] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: See, I never heard anymore from you. You said you contacted her. I was out of the picture, so I left it
[0:53:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. No. No. That was in the group chat. Okay.
[0:53:42] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I contacted her recently. Alright. Yeah. Fair enough.
[0:53:44] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Fair enough.
[0:53:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: I did not drop that ball. I promise. I promise. I swear. Guys, we have a a few more people that are requesting. But real quick before we... Right before I go to to... Vince, right before I come to you, we have a second fucking capybara on stage, guys. Coma, are you excited? Look at your buddies here.
[0:54:02] Kool @koolcryptovc: Bro, you mean third, you mean third?
[0:54:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, third. Where's the... No. Oh, no. No. If you're not... Excuse me. Alright, sloth. If you are not rocking it, you cannot fucking say. I'm sorry. You had a choice to make. Okay? You chose the slow life. Alright? It's not my
[0:54:17] Kkoma @itskkoma: fault. Sloppy bearer.
[0:54:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. He's a sloppy bearer. Like, Gatsby Cappy over here is over here throwing fucking banger fucking parties in his mansion. You know what I mean? Off the fucking coast of Long Island over here, like, Long Island Sound looking great, by the way. And then, you know, you have a high school or college education, I guess, this point, but this... I don't know what the cap and gown is for, but the slots are slow. But the goddamn they print some fucking money. That's true. But, Chai, welcome. Oh, no.
[0:54:46] Kkoma @itskkoma: What an intro. Please, Chai, respond.
[0:54:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh god, Chai. Come on. Don't don't do me like that. Oh, no. You're not you're not... Wait a minute. You're not posing with the... Oh.
[0:54:57] Kool @koolcryptovc: Chai. Chai. Chai. What's up, bro?
[0:55:01] Bread @_ToastMalone: K I?
[0:55:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: It says Kai Lens. Chai.
[0:55:05] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Chai like the t.
[0:55:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Or Kai. Go ahead, Kai. Your hand is up. And, you know, Capybara's had hands. But... Yeah. Go. Kai. Sing
[0:55:14] Samara @thee_samara: the song. Sing the song. Yeah. Yeah. Kai. Kai.
[0:55:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Man. We had such high hopes for these capybaras, but it is what it is, guys. Coma, you gotta talk to your people, man. You gotta talk to these other capybaras, bro. I don't know what they're doing. Moving on now. Yeah. We're moving on. Vince, go for it.
[0:55:37] Ryan @Rlad1776: Hey. I I can tell you why the system went down today. It's because Kida did their stress test, and they broke the system. 11,100,000 transactions per second.
[0:55:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Keyword. Here we go. What what... Here we go with the the... I love the TPS conversations. 11,000,000.
[0:55:56] Ryan @Rlad1776: Yeah. They did it live. So take it for
[0:55:59] Landy @CryptoLandy: what it is. It was only it was only 10 it was only 10,999,999 failed transactions. Don't worry about it.
[0:56:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo.
[0:56:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. Listen. 11,000,000. But I'll say this, though. Vince is literally laughing all the way to the fucking bank because that fucking Nikita coin, that shit has been
[0:56:24] Kool @koolcryptovc: Dude, it's me.
[0:56:25] Ryan @Rlad1776: Cooked. Straight cooked from, like, $12.14 cents up to a dollar 64. I was pulling profits and rolling that shit over.
[0:56:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: God bless, bro. I'm not feeding any of your calls, which, by the way, I already bought that fucking creative a... That that KOL shit, which we should probably flex over here at some point, but not until I I I pack my own bags.
[0:56:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: And I'm...
[0:56:46] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. We we are from Coma, man. Coma Coma was killing killing today with Iris, man. Let me... What's up, bro? I know you missed some money like me. What's what's up, Coma? Can can you give us my offer with with with the virtual ecosystem?
[0:56:59] Kkoma @itskkoma: Dude, I don't even know where to start, man. I feel like if I explain virtuals to anyone that's not in crypto, they're gonna just think I'm like a crazy person because you have to start with points, And then after points, you talk about pledging, and then you have to talk about your virginity. And, you know, are you still a virgin? Are you not a virgin? And they're just probably like, what are you... What's all these terms you're saying? You know, are you committed? But, dude, I've been I've been just saving up my points for this specific day, and luckily, I was able to save up to a 135,000 points. And I just full sent all my points and, I guess, my 5.88 or six virtuals. And at the peak, I think I was up, like, five... Like, two fifty or 500 x, but I... I'm still holding it. I have some I have some tokens that are unstaking at the moment. So I just... I'm trying to decide what I wanna do with it in terms of, like, if I do go to jail... And if you don't know what jail is, it basically means if you sell, then you're gonna be on time out for, like, ten days where you won't be earning points and things like that. But, yeah, it's 5.88 in, and I think at the current price, it's, like, 1,100 virtuals if I do sell now. So... Yeah.
[0:58:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Wait. Comma. Comma. Comma. Well, I I need... There needs to be a time out right now because, okay, I see Cool's timeline was being smart, being like, if you didn't sell your $100... Your 100 fucking x, you're literally saying 250 to 500 x, and you're holding. What are you fucking holding for?
[0:58:37] Kkoma @itskkoma: So I wanna just sell everything all at once. So it's one of those things where you're just strategizing for the most, like, optimal game. But I also have, like, a separate wallet that that also gives the yapping points for Vader. So I don't know. I I feel like there should be, like, a dedicated space just for virtuals. But, yeah, there's a lot going on. This week has been nuts, man. Like, I I know I talked about, like, info by summer, but this is really an info by summer. For some reason, all of these projects... And I I I think I know why too, but all these projects are TGing that are are from Kaido. So literally Monday, $2,000 escape. Tuesday, $3,000, home slash DeFi app. Wednesday, Infinix, I got, like, $2.50. And then Insomnia, I got, like, 4 something, so $700. Today, virtuals... Put five virtuals in out, like, $2,506,100 dollars. And then, tomorrow, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get Insomnia payout for the weekly again. So that's gonna be probably another $203,100 dollars. So, yeah, I think I pitched the perfect game or perfect week, dude. This is a... This is one in a one one in a a million kind of scenario of, like, all these airdrops is coming in sequentially. So, yeah. I don't know. Empress said... Gave me a thumbs down. I guess you're not happy that I'm making money, but that's cool too. You know? I I cheer for you, but you don't
[1:00:01] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: have to cheer for me.
[1:00:02] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's I'm just thinking how you talked about the one that you didn't make as much as you could have because you didn't get out or whatever the deal was.
[1:00:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: You only made 2,000 instead of 4,000. Yeah.
[1:00:16] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. So we can't... I can't feel sorry for you on that anymore.
[1:00:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. That's like... Seriously, Like, it's fucking the the the plebs, like, the pores, like, would call it.
[1:00:24] Kool @koolcryptovc: So guys, if if if you listen right now, I highly... Guys follow Coma. Coma follows so you can kinda see how he moves because you don't just listen to people make money. Follow them and see how they move. It could help you... Your crypto game.
[1:00:39] Kkoma @itskkoma: What? Alright?
[1:00:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let... Yeah. Let's... Maybe she doesn't like that one in
[1:00:44] Kkoma @itskkoma: a million statement because she just makes money every day.
[1:00:47] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Listen, comma. Listen up here. I will always celebrate the wins of others. I think that that's good karma. I would never take away from your wins. That said, motherfucker, you were so late giving us that can't call, kata call, whatever the hell, however you say it. I could slap you upside the happy head. I can't even with that. I'll celebrate your wins all day long. But what is that that we're just getting this information? And, also, you better go to your little thinky think box and think real, real hard about whatever you're forgetting to tell us about anything I'm polling on because I've been right. I've been told and telling people, and I would like more, please. Thank you.
[1:01:27] Kkoma @itskkoma: Wait. I did talk about Kata here.
[1:01:29] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yes. Way late. Way late. I discovered I tripped the other day and fell into a space. There's a whole polygon subsection. This shit's been going down, and I suspect you've known for more than you were letting on.
[1:01:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: I feel like she's kinda right, comma. I have to back Empress up on this one. I mean, we did get Iris, though. Like, he he did that. In all fairness, he did mention Iris. We did talk about Iris last week. So... Yeah. I also
[1:01:52] Kkoma @itskkoma: talked about I also talked about Tibber, and that thing has been just exploding. I I tried to talk about it in a previous space.
[1:01:58] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Okay. Sorry. I wanted to say that I'm the center of the universe, and I wasn't here when those things were announced. And so if you have actual l... Actionable alpha moving forward that you're sitting on, please let me know at a minimum. Thank you.
[1:02:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Coma, no bullshit, bro. Killer fucking week. That's incredible, bro. For real. For real. Fucking massively impressive, bro. Seriously, congrats, man. I'll give you the...
[1:02:23] Kkoma @itskkoma: Bro, like, you gotta... You still gotta look at Tiber, man. Tiber is, like, insane. Like, the Snoop Dogg bought Tibber. I swear to god. Snoop Dogg? He he bought, like, $200,000 worth of Tibber. And, like, this other guy, like, Rahul Paul or something, he also... Like, big crypto guy. He bought a shit ton of Tibber too. So it's now at 111,000,000. I think when I told you about it, Dave, it was at, like, $6.07?
[1:02:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Yeah. We... It it was it was, like, 15,000,000, and we were like, what the fuck? What's... What is it doing at 15,000,000? Like, oh, maybe the shit's overpriced just because... Just goes to show you. Fuck, n a. And is there still anything about it, by the way? Like, other than fucking rip... Other than it being Ribbit backwards and people associating it with Ribbit Capital?
[1:03:06] Kkoma @itskkoma: Bro, that... I mean, that... Like, a lot of people are buying this. Let me just say that. So someone knows something and there are a lot of hints. He he made he made this agent. So it may not be this specific agent because to be honest, this agent is, like, super dumb as fuck. But you... Maybe there might be some type of, like, transferring over, like, depending on how much you have. But, yeah, there's a lot of a lot of, like... I don't know. I don't know if you follow all coinists, but he's a super big, like, tippered bull. So I wish I bought more, but it's okay. It is what it is. Let's, and then on on another thing I'll tell you, AVACs. AVACs, like, trenches are, like, heating up right now. And I know you're talking to, like, the Hey Anon crew, but they just, like, are doing some type of, like, banker esque deployment of, like, meme points through through x. And, basically, it's like a random chance. Not like banker where you like to say, hey, banker, make me a token. Like, there's gonna be some type of gamification where, essentially, if you're chosen, then you're given, like, 1% of the supply of that token created by HeyAden. And then there's some, like, flywheel with Kaido that if you start talking about it... I I mean, I don't even know how to describe it, but it... During... Announced this today, and it was insane.
[1:04:23] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Can I make the request that when anybody talks about a a token, they drop the information in the pill just to help? Because I know there's copycats out there, and sometimes it's hard for people to figure out which one is the one that they should be looking into and possibly...
[1:04:42] Kkoma @itskkoma: That's that's fair. Sorry. I I said a lot...
[1:04:44] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: No. Thank you.
[1:04:45] Samara @thee_samara: Thank you....
[1:04:45] Kkoma @itskkoma: Because I've kinda really talked in this space. So... Yeah. Thanks for giving me the time to do it. But, yeah, again, Empress gave me five five thumbs down, so I'm sure she has a lot to say about my other stuff. Yeah.
[1:04:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: She's trying to be center of the universe again. She's just mad because it's gonna take away from her Polygon fucking pitch to everybody. It's fine. Go ahead, Empress.
[1:05:05] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Everybody knows my bigger bags are in hyper liquid. But if you don't want the alpha that I was gonna share, that's fine. I don't have to be the center of the universe. I can just
[1:05:11] Chai @chai_lens: You can talk about it
[1:05:12] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: as long as you drop it in the pill.
[1:05:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Share that. Spill the beans.
[1:05:18] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Listen. Like, everything again, comma, and I feel like it got stepped on. Again, celebrating your wins. And everything else you said, great. But, like, like, can we not with the AVACS? Like, can we not? Like, what did we start with? Stars Arena. Right? And then we had, like, the massive attempt at Meme Coin pump and dump cabal with, like... It it was like a SIOP because everybody was looking at Libra and that fucking disaster, but, really, there was actual spaces being held with receipts about people just, like, rinsing the hell out of that system and rinsing the hell of everybody participating in it. That is the most KOL cabal, like, ridiculousness cluster fuck inside. It's, like, all... It's 2020 CT just all running in one little teeny ecosystem. The best that you can do over there is sign your wallet in, see if that you were ever part of the Grif Stars Arena even unknowingly. You might have some extra AVACs over there. Stake that shit and let it grow, but, like, it it... It's it's voluntary manslaughter. Like, you're just going in there to get just completely jacked up by the remaining, what, 12 KOLs up in this space that are running shit. It's absolutely insane.
[1:06:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: There's a cocky new joke here somewhere. I just... I'm not gonna make it, but, Coma, go for it.
[1:06:36] Kkoma @itskkoma: Oh, that's... Mean, that's a fair point. I I guess that's a new... That's... You could apply that to any chain that has a token launcher, essentially, that relies on some type of
[1:06:44] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: No. No. No. No. The founders are actually in bed at parties, hanging out with these KOLs. These are like... This is like massive entanglement, comma. This isn't. I'm almost safer with the faceless devs that are on pump fun that are, like... It's just gonna potentially rug me completely than this entire organized crime syndicate that is Starz Arena. Like, I'm just good on that shit.
[1:07:12] Kkoma @itskkoma: Fair enough. I'll do more research from that perspective then.
[1:07:15] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Check out But out Jonas' page. Check out what happened with the early coin drops. Check out anything around the time of the Libra drop. And then, Joe, go check out Stars Arena and how that all worked how that all worked out.
[1:07:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like... Yeah. I am
[1:07:30] Kool @koolcryptovc: I am hosting Coma tomorrow on on on my show. So if you guys wanna learn how Coma is making a $100,000 by next two months, Come to show tomorrow, like, 3PM CST. So we'll be live on on Twitter live with YouTube and psychic.
[1:07:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. The only way I could
[1:07:46] Kkoma @itskkoma: ever make a 100,000 is if I copy trade Empress. So...
[1:07:50] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. Don't know. I have no risk. Nope. I have no risk tolerance. I am not a baller. I put it on my timeline. I move in very small size, and I diversify. Also, wanna clarify. Jonah is not part of the griff cabal that I was talking about. He was calling out part of that griff cabal thing. Just... So... Or Noah's, what... Who I meant. But... Yeah. Noah or Jenna. I
[1:08:13] Kkoma @itskkoma: will say that the summer is here, and people are going pretty nuts. So, yeah, as much as we're all, like, drinking the juice and, like, everything go up, yeah, I do agree. Be a little cautious. I'm just happy with my airdrops this week because, basically, no one got hurt except anyone that bought at the top, I guess. But... Yeah. Yeah. Super happy with the whole Implify thing because that's been very, very good.
[1:08:39] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Land... With Dave. I wanted to mention Landy's doing some ritual chart readings tomorrow on video... Or stream. Maybe we can boost his
[1:08:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: The rules are up to up
[1:08:50] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: to, like, maybe five instead of whatever it's at now.
[1:08:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. Yo. How you gonna take shots at Landy? The man's in the cohost spot for
[1:08:57] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: all the jokes about it all the time. Why would I not?
[1:09:00] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: He didn't know what cloud farming is. And since he's not cloud farming, I just, you know...
[1:09:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. Just so you know, Paul Atkins is my fucking uncle, so you guys better fucking chill out.
[1:09:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: When I got
[1:09:11] Bread @_ToastMalone: mad cloud, bro, farming. Yeah.
[1:09:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: I was just blew a cloud. But listen, This... That that pause. Wait a minute.
[1:09:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I would play
[1:09:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: a Yeah. Was bad. That was bad. That was my my bad. But...
[1:09:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: California is different, I tell you.
[1:09:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: California is different. Look. As as a tiny puppet who who often is in the clouds flying across, I do plenty of cloud farming and seeding. But there is a very important story that actually, I think, will fly under the radar that I did wanna get to before we go too deep down too many other rabbit holes, and that is something that I mentioned earlier that I would talk about really quickly here. The IRS commissioner that was just approved a long party line vote, this is the same guy, by the way, that has proposed legislation in the past to eliminate the IRS. So this administration is now putting in place a gentleman who has introduced comprehensive legislation to get rid of the IRS, which is something I think we should all celebrate. We'll see how it plays out. And I I think that it's going to have some pretty big implications. You're gonna start seeing when the news dies down about all of the the riots and stuff and any any other related war based news, you're gonna see the news start to turn and attack this because I think he he... Based on what he was saying, he's gonna hit the ground running with stuff, And it's gonna be pretty interesting moving forward because there's gonna be implications, obviously, outside of... Even if there is no elimination of the IRS, I don't think he's gonna go in there and necessarily close it down. But I think this is gonna have some major implications for crypto because he is described as, somebody who does not believe that the IRS should should exist in the first place, and is also, in the past, made some crypto friendly statements. So... I fear the Greeks,
[1:11:30] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: for the record. I fear the Greeks.
[1:11:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, let's put it this way. He is... Elizabeth Warren and him have gone head to head quite often, and he used to be an auctioneer. So that's always fun. So it's gonna be fun listening to him speak when he does.
[1:11:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nice. Guys, we also had... I know Avi came up. Avi, what's good? I wanna go say what's up to Deb. Deb, Avi, what's up?
[1:11:59] Sir Deb 👑 @deb_crypt: Hey. What's up? I wanted to go back to the Internet conversation. And Landy was saying how Bitcoin didn't go down. Although that is true, a lot of Bitcoin products weren't working. For example, Magic Eden was still charging people Bitcoin to buy things, and nobody was getting their ordinals or runes for a while there.
[1:12:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: That wasn't because of Bitcoin. That was because of Magic Eden and Cloudflare. They're saying they're gonna investigate the prob... Look. The problem is is is everything is built on the central... The centralized infrastructure. I could easily trade you runes and ordinals right now. It's just we wouldn't be doing it through Magic Eden marketplace. Right? So this kind of stuff has has very big implications, and I hope that it encourages a lot of these blockchains themselves who have had issues to, you know, maybe think about not average... Advertising yourself as decentralized. Take a step back for a moment and start actually doing the decentralization portion and get your shit out of those... Out of these massive data centers because that's where a lot of this shit is hosted. Of course, they will, but, you know, maybe they should at least think about it and posture like they're gonna do it. That might do well for price. And I did wanna note, something really quick here. If if no one was paying attention to my video that came out yesterday, Bitcoin's starting to play in the areas that I was talking about. So this could have some further
[1:13:26] Kkoma @itskkoma: implications.... Advice?
[1:13:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: Advice? I would say sit on your hands because bearish divergence is about to be confirmed on the daily and kinda see where price goes from here. Above a 100 k, it's fine. Below there. Can
[1:13:38] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I ask you, Landy? So a... I know has been try... They... They're trying to learn this kind of stuff themselves, And I... They made a prediction, I think, of maybe... I forget if it's a 135 or a 175,000 Bitcoin price. What would you say about that?
[1:13:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: I would say that, there's an area of interest on a breakout to the upside would be longer term time frame, a hundred and twenty eight to a hundred and thirty, and then a hundred and seventy three to a hundred and seventy five. So, yes, they are... They're close to to where I have my
[1:14:14] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Oh, that's tree. Thank you. I can't wait to tell them.
[1:14:17] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I begged for that 16 k entry, if anybody's wondering.
[1:14:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. You know, I I have done a thorough investigation on the VPN cloud mining of Bitcoin without utilizing centralized Bitcoin mining. Yeah. Centralized exchanges and algorithms to mine Bitcoin. And and and I I consulted my my father, doctor Atkins, and he says, you know what? You need to slim down a little bit, get out there, and just run to the cloud. And you know what? I'm I'm all for it now.
[1:14:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. The guy who invented the Atkins side? I didn't know they were related. That's crazy.
[1:15:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, they are now. In my lore, they're all related. It's one big happy family. SEC, doctor Atkins, whoever that guy was the other day that pitched...
[1:15:11] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: The Hills Happen. We got the
[1:15:13] Chai @chai_lens: call. Listen.
[1:15:13] Bread @_ToastMalone: It's a decentralized family, bro.
[1:15:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: It is. Yeah. Let's go real quick. Let me let me real quick. Justice had her hand up, and then I wanna say what's up to Deb. Go ahead, Justice.
[1:15:27] Voice I: Yep. So
[1:15:31] Voice I: we're we're all diversed with the Atkins family tree and decentralized collaboration duke. While we are at that,
[1:15:43] Voice I: took notice of the topic of this space, which is follow the money and find the future, which might also be related to, you know, being part of the family tree of mister Atkins, but let's not go there yet. So what's what's everyone's thought on that? Because my my eyes just went there, and, you know, it's it's looking like a philosophical sentence to me. So... Yeah. What... What's your thought on that?
[1:16:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: Justice, are you not cloud mining Bitcoin yet?
[1:16:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: I
[1:16:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: yeah. I mean, listen, Justice. If I do say so myself, by the way, I thought my title was pretty fucking killer, just FYI. I feel like that. I am the sole reason why everybody is in here, not my stack panel that's on here right now. Absolutely nothing to do with you guys and everything to do with my title. Thank you very much. Follow the money and find the future. People are like the future. And like Landy was saying before, hype or... It's all about hype.
[1:16:47] Bread @_ToastMalone: Listen. People love alliterations brought to you by Billy Betts.
[1:16:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Brought to you by Billy Betts. I love that.
[1:16:54] Kkoma @itskkoma: Hey. Did you ever did you ever figure out that Chinese versus Korean baseball thing bet that you made? Like, do you know the difference now between the two leagues? Or...
[1:17:03] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. And and straight up, it was only half of my fault and my dumbass for not following any baseball at all. But there was a bunch of issues with the API too, so things were mapping wrong. And so I have a... I've fixed all of those issues now, and the leagues and teams are very clearly displayed correctly for whatever country they're playing for.
[1:17:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: Amazing.
[1:17:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nice. Good good stuff. Landy, we we stay on mute. Okay. Deb, what's up? How are you?
[1:17:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Jim. Jim, everyone. Oh my god. It's this Deb. Deb in there. I fell for it again. Oh my god. Deb.
[1:17:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yo. You got totally
[1:17:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: forgot about you. Oh my god. For those that don't know, Deb, is a male, and Deb is short for Debina. But good to have you, Debina. What's up?
[1:18:02] Voice K: How do you know that I was Debina? Well, it's good. I'm good.
[1:18:09] Voice K: Hope everyone is doing good. Good crypto. I see you, Dave, and every other speakers there. I just, ended my space not quite long. We're just discussing about, taking actions in web three. You know, it's gonna be so funny sometimes when you see money and you refuse to, like, take profit. So funny sometimes when you, receive a signal to buy a 10 k dollar market cap, but you know buy on the $1,000,000 market cap, then you dip. Right? It always can be so funny. So we've been discussing that. Then when I say this, I follow the money and the future. I'm like, okay. Let me take action and join this space and learn from my bosses. Anyway, they saw that, okay. Cool. So it was one of the cost. I've been here listening and trying to gather more knowledge and had more value to myself, pushing myself to different opportunities. Now I used to join CooCoopto when you use... And Samara is doing a lot of... Basically, I'm sorry, a lot of updates on airdrops and so many stuff like that. Like, all my bookmark, let me see if it's in of them are most of the stuff I see on on Cocoa tool spaces. Right? And I believe some of that right now, you know, the market can be shitty. But what what does it mean? Me trying to, like, look at some tokens that can
[1:19:27] Voice K: it's not good when we do... Just, like, make money for opposites, like, maybe shorten some cryptos. I've been, you know, doing that. Right? And that is it. Thank you very much for, you know, allowing me to speak here. I'm not taking it for granted.
[1:19:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You you got it, Deb and Air. Shacey, my life.
[1:19:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey, Dave. Fun fact. You know, Cole posted his picture earlier today when, you know, he's working out. And then, of course, people are goofing around like, oh my god. That's really you. Is that AI? And and, of course, the person knew knew that it was him. Right? Yeah. Anyway, I I just found it interesting that I looked at that picture and my immediate thought was cool would crush me with a single bicep curl. Like, that's all I could think about. Like, what an imposing, freaking figure. Like, holy shit, brother. Like...
[1:20:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: You were just raising the dog. I was born in it. He's our resident bane, you see.
[1:20:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. And I'm sorry, Demeter. I I love I love the fan club. And and the fact that you switched up your BFB and Shark Dave, I'm just dying in the background out of over here. That's all I can think about.
[1:20:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ah, you see see this? And everyone thinks this is a easy job. Okay? You guys understand what I have to shuffle around, like, to make this to make this ninety minutes work four days a week? Do you do you have any idea? Thank you very much. Chai, Kai, I wanna go to Ian first, but I I feel like I believe in the second chances. So, Ian, hold on one second. Chai, I'm gonna give you one more shot. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:21:13] Chai @chai_lens: I'm so sorry. My mic was not working.
[1:21:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, Chai lives. Chai, are you a real copy bar? Are you a real Kaito copy?
[1:21:21] Chai @chai_lens: Yes.
[1:21:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, let's go. Koma, meet your buddy. Meet you meet your brother Kai.
[1:21:27] Chai @chai_lens: Sure. Sure. So have you guys explored the airdrop from... On Evac's chain? There is a airdrop to old wallets, which is worth at least $2,000. Have you guys explored that? The GB token, the gold bridge. There there was a token which was airdropped to chicken holders in 2021, and the same token has been airdropped to old wallets. Can you guys check? And it is a airdrop of minimum $2,000. In last two...
[1:21:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Where do I find this? Where do I find this, Chad?
[1:22:01] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: On the a max chain, if you had the chicken token, token, you received an airdrop. That's what I said. Remember earlier when I was ranting about AVax, I said, but take an old wallet and go hook that shit up and see if
[1:22:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: you have anything.... Chicken token.
[1:22:13] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yeah. What I the did not even know that's what you meant. How are you getting mad at me?
[1:22:17] Chai @chai_lens: Let me tell you the whole story.
[1:22:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:22:20] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Come on. I wasn't When
[1:22:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: you... Hey. Oh, zip it. Zip it. It's Chai's turn right now, everybody.
[1:22:24] Chai @chai_lens: You guys are not Chai, when you had when you had the chicken to... Chicken token or COQ unit... EU token, you received the GB token airdrop. That was in 2021, 2022. Okay? That airdrop went to dust. It became zero. Now, again, about a week a week ago or two weeks ago, that token relaunched, and the value got 30 x in past three days. So it is at least $2,000 airdrop for anyone who had that token in old wallets. So you might want to check it if you held COQ or chicken token. On Evox Chain, you must be having that token.
[1:23:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Where do I check for this? Because I definitely had chicken token, and I definitely owned cocking you. Koki Nu, My fault. For... I a 100% own those. Those are the jokes. So... Yeah. Where do I go?
[1:23:17] Chai @chai_lens: Let me just post you the contract directly, or you can check on CoinGecko as well. There there is a token at GB. So I can post the contract too, but I just want you guys to be safe. Let me just
[1:23:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Thank you.
[1:23:35] Bread @_ToastMalone: Is there a tweet, like, official tweet from the AVACS account or anything like that that was that was posted about this?
[1:23:41] Chai @chai_lens: Bro, it's an bro, it's an old token. You you might find a tweet of 2,022. I just got it, like, for $3,000 about two days ago.
[1:23:52] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. But, I mean, they didn't announce anything about this, like, airdrop. Right? Oh, like, the airdrop was back then, and all of a sudden now it's worth this much money? Feel like some...
[1:24:00] Chai @chai_lens: So there was a token already existing in your wallet. It was airdrop, like, two years ago. The value went to zero. Now, again, it is rising back. They relaunched. So there is nothing like official airdrop, the new airdrop. You won't be able to find......
[1:24:14] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Saying it's a CTO, guys. Basically...
[1:24:16] Chai @chai_lens: Yeah. It is a kind of CTO. Yeah.
[1:24:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Yeah. Put that contract just to the top. I'm gonna do some homework.
[1:24:23] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I I am
[1:24:24] Chai @chai_lens: just just a sec. Just a sec.
[1:24:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: I am I love this. Yo. The... Yeah. Any copybara is welcome in in ATC. Come up. Tell all your friends. They can come over. Cool. I'm gonna need you to change to the copy bar now, bro. Like, with alpha like the... Like, with shit like this, bro, if this works out, right, and my wallet doesn't get drained for tens of thousands of dollars, like, this is gonna be... This this is it right here. Okay? So copies, you are welcome. You are welcome here anytime. Good shit, Chai. Appreciate it. Ian. Yeah. Anything else, Chai, before before we go to Ian?
[1:24:57] Chai @chai_lens: No. No. I'm all good. I just wanted to share it with you guys. I am just posting it on the chat. You can probably pick it or, like, you can just check it. It is not. Right? It's nothing like... You can validate it on the Twitter by posting on Twitter.
[1:25:12] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's what I'm talking about. Thank you. Drop it in
[1:25:16] Kkoma @itskkoma: the mail.
[1:25:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good shit. Tai, thank you, man. Good stuff. My man.
[1:25:22] Chai @chai_lens: Thank you.
[1:25:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: These copy bars. Amazing. Look at this. Copy bars never look so sexy in their lives. Sexy copy bars. Ian, go for it, man.
[1:25:32] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: I'm nowhere near as attractive as a capybara. I am also not very chill. So I dropped a spreadsheet into the chat earlier, like, an hour ago, And this is the cryptography that people use. Now what quantum computers will begin to be able to do is turn your public key into your private key. This is also true of proof of stake. This is true of Bitcoin. This is true of all of Web three. They will be able to become anybody by converting the public key into the private key. If you use multisig, there's a variety of tactics they could use. Multiparty computation, shared secrets, all vulnerable in one way or another. There's only two things that are kind of, like, okay. The first one is gonna be hashes. So, like, that means the ZK Stark is probably okay. And the second is gonna be post quantum cryptography.
[1:26:41] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: So when people are saying that they're using post quantum cryptography, that's where the money should go, but a lot of them are lying. And so the spreadsheet is a list of the people who are being legitimate, and their source code indicates that they're actually using the cryptography they claim. And then there's a lot of people who say that they're in progress. And rather than just say that they're committing fraud, I'm listing them as in migration. And then beneath that, people who are just flat out lying. The the problem with migration is that it's gonna probably take between two to five years to do all of the migrations. Nobody has done this yet. There is not a single chain that has managed to accomplish this, And some of them have tried, literally tried very hard for years, and none of them have done it, including Bitcoin, including their deprecation. And they said, we're going to expire this old address type because it's not safe against quantum computers. They said that in 2013. There is still 1,600,000 Bitcoin sitting that has not moved from that old address type to the current standards. And those wallets have been waking up and sending their money over to exchanges. So either it's being attacked right now, which would freak us all out, or these are active users that has never pressed the button. So this this idea of a a smooth migration or a fast migration or an easy migration is a flat out bold and very bad lie. It's hard. So the ones that are doing QuantumSave, they just... Like I said, we're starting over. We have only good cryptography. And there's there's one chain that is is doing that, Ixios. They're like, we're not gonna have any smart contracts or anything like that until we're all, like, post quantum. And they're they're doing this right because as soon as you have smart contracts, it's almost impossible to migrate everybody. Any questions on that so far?
[1:29:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. But I will say that if any of that cryptography is cracked, everything's at risk. It's not just web No.
[1:29:26] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: No. Because the 30% of SSL traffic in last December was already post quantum. We don't
[1:29:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: we don't have... No. No. No. There is not consensus on post quantum cryptography yet because we still don't have an... We cannot ascertain the potential for the the the actual breakpoints. And, like, I... I'm with you up to that point. There's... What do
[1:29:52] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: you mean actual breakpoints? You mean we don't have post quantum cryptography that the NIST is lying to us?
[1:29:57] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. That is not... This is not real post quantum cryptography. That's been the main argument at NIST for the past five years. It's not real post quantum cryptography. I mean, I'm I'm sure you're very well aware of what I'm talking about and and and the conversations with NIST. Right?
[1:30:17] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: This is an absolute, like, nothing burger shit show. The the problem that you're referring to is that we don't know necessarily what all of the future weaknesses are going to be. But if you read Daniel Bernstein's cryptography papers where he goes over NTRU prime versus crystal styliothium, he will cover in a 99 page essay that is extremely pedantic, Eddie pontificates at great length precisely what all of the vulnerabilities against each of the different systems are. He has charts, and they're vulnerable to different things. Do we have absolutely golden secure post quantum cryptography? No. But I would also submit that SEC p t p six k one, which is what Bitcoin and Ethereum use, is also vulnerable to around 15 different attacks. However, because the cryptography was implemented well, none of them are actually usable because they do hashes, because they do assigning of semi random data. They're signing transactions. They're not signing arbitrary messages. So this is a big nothing burger that you're trying to say, oh, everyone's fine, or we're completely doomed and the entire world is over because
[1:31:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: the ninja is still running. You're you're distilling my my my statement down to something I didn't say. I said that there's gonna be... There's there's... It breaks everything. Once they achieve... It's not gonna be a slow roll. Once they achieve the ability to crack the the current cryptography and even some of the proposed post quantum cryptography, it's over, and it's bigger than Web three. It's every cryptosystem is my is my contention.
[1:32:17] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: You can you can take the floor if you want, but we're gonna disagree.
[1:32:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: I mean, we could disagree. I'd love to disagree with you at length in a different space or a different venue because this is a this is a subject that I'm very passionate about as a Bitcoin miner, as somebody that is also involved in many other networks, both both web two and web three. And this is not as... I I think that the the post quantum cryptography implementation as it currently stands is not as bulletproof as people think it is.
[1:32:52] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Are you referring to the error codes?
[1:32:55] Landy @CryptoLandy: It goes well beyond that. But, yes, that is one factor.
[1:33:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nice. Interesting voice. We... Yeah. I mean, I I think I think this is something that I would love to hear you guys kinda really talk about definitely and kinda understand, like, what's what. I don't know what that noise is. Give me a second. Sorry.
[1:33:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: I actually...
[1:33:17] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Okay. Sorry. That was good.
[1:33:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: I was gonna say that I had I had a pretty good conversation. I don't know, Ian, if you were in the Casper space where they were talking about this at length with quantum cryptography and possible solutions and post... The current state of post quantum cryptography and the debate at NIST because there is a there is a robust debate, and I know that you're on one side of it.
[1:33:43] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Are are you... Do you have the floor?
[1:33:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: I mean, you could say... No. No. No.
[1:33:47] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: You can I'm ready to leave. Like, you you can keep you can keep going if you want, but I'm just gonna leave.
[1:33:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yep. Yeah. Wait. Leave for what?
[1:33:56] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: What do mean?
[1:33:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Because you had to go?
[1:33:58] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Well, I'm staying awake, and I don't wanna stay awake listening to this crap.
[1:34:02] Bread @_ToastMalone: Oh, well, then get the fuck out of here, bro. Don't be disrespectful.
[1:34:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. Oh, woah. Easy. Easy. Easy. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Relax. Everybody, easy. Relax. No. No. No. Ian, so I I think what we're saying is we'd... I'd I'd like to hear the debate, but... Because you have to understand also, we don't know... Like, the average, like, Web three or crypto user, like, genuinely doesn't know, like, anywhere near enough, obviously, of what you know. And, like, Landy for us is, like, the... Our our Bitcoin guy. Right? Like, he's probably the most versed in Bitcoin from from anybody here. So what we're saying is, like, we... I would love for you guys to maybe bridge the gap for us at some point because this is how all the shit ends up going by the wayside. It's like, you know, it was like, I I can't listen to this, that. It's like like, let's put the emotion aside. Like, let's maybe set up a space if you guys want, like, to be able to just, like, you know, professionally, like, and cordially debate it. What do you think, Ian? Would that
[1:34:50] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: be cool? Would be cool, but it would have to happen earlier. Not... It's it's it's past 1AM for me.
[1:34:57] Landy @CryptoLandy: And I and I No worries. Like to apologize. I'm not coming at you. I'm not coming at you. I'm just saying that there's two sides to the debate. That's all.
[1:35:05] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: And and
[1:35:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: that And I'd like to hear you out in... At length at some point.
[1:35:12] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Okay. So I actually get you respond.
[1:35:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: I have Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[1:35:18] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: I have discussed this with Adam Back, David Chomp, Hunter Beast, Pierre Delmier at great length. There is weaknesses and attacks. I have a large number of papers that I have read on the attacks versus post quantum cryptography in general. I have about 30 papers. If you can send me more, I will read them, and I will follow along if you can send me academic papers. If you say it's all smoke and mirrors, we're not gonna have a very good conversation. We'll have
[1:35:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: to talk about That's not what I said.
[1:35:58] Ian Smith @IanSmith_HSA: Of the attacks. But you... You're saying that the whole world is just gonna break all at once.
[1:36:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: I I didn't say that. I said that there's... Okay. Listen. I understand
[1:36:13] Kool @koolcryptovc: that you're
[1:36:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: an incredibly intelligent guy, and I would... Yeah. Okay. Look look, if you
[1:36:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: can't if you can't...
[1:36:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: And and this goes for anybody that wants to come up on stage with someone like myself. If you if you get easily frustrated by somebody asking you questions, then you're never gonna be able to get your actual point out. And if you try to reframe what I'm saying or some other speaker is saying, and the only the way that you wanna hear it, then you can just fuck off 10 ways from Sunday because I'm not gonna put up with that shit.
[1:36:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: But... Yeah. But you guys...
[1:36:47] Kool @koolcryptovc: I think I think they have... This happens all the time. Right? When when some people get challenged, they they don't like it. You you you know, there's always... Like, Lanzi says, there's always two sides to debate, and I I will never disrespect somebody because I I disagree with them. That doesn't mean, you know, we we we still can't talk. Right? That doesn't mean it makes sense. So we we we we could agree and disagree, or we could have a simple conversation, but there's no need to get mad and leave the space, man. I
[1:37:18] Kkoma @itskkoma: mean, bro
[1:37:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: I I agree. I agree with you, Cole. It's just... I think we also have to understand, like, the type of person that is coming up here. And I'm not saying we need to, like, you know, we need to tiptoe whatever. But if we genuinely wanna get the information out of somebody that... Like, he sounds like an educated dude. Right? I'm not saying that at all. And, Linda, you weren't wrong in in the least. I thought you were extremely cordial. I thought you were extremely polite. Like, there was nothing that, you know, that was said there at all. Right? But, also, like, I wanna be able to get information from that guy and be able to hear and and see what he said... And hear what he has to say. And, like, that's a personality trait where, like, they might not be... Like, they're not, like, they're not the mode. Their social social skills aren't really, like, the best. So it's either now we say, oh, we stand on this this ground of fuck. Like like, then don't come to spaces, but it's like, that doesn't really get us anywhere. It doesn't really get me to the goal that I want. Know what I'm saying? Bread, your shit. That was was the... Trying to
[1:38:13] Bread @_ToastMalone: tiptoe around... I was I was tiptoeing while he was speaking condescendingly to my my homies here, you know. And then... Yeah. For anybody that comes up on stage, if you disrespect my friends, then I will kindly tell you to fuck right off.
[1:38:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: I appreciate. I... Well, look, I appreciate that. And and and, I I mean, obviously, you all know that I can hold my own in any debate. And in this case, one of the things that I didn't like is the I'm smarter than you, and I'm gonna reframe your... What you said to me in the way that I felt like I wanted to hear it. He actually doesn't understand that I'm pretty involved, and I and I actually know who he is and why he's got such a small account too. So, you know, he can... If he really wanted to get into that debate, we could have, but he actually does have a very valid and well fleshed out viewpoint on this subject that I would like to hear. He just didn't wanna hear that somebody disagrees with him. And that's why there's guys, like him in this space that don't get the recognition or aren't able to push forward these initiatives. And that's part of the problem that we have on the Bitcoin side of things is guys like that, because they won't take any pushback and they wanna reframe your arguments, they only wanna see it the way they see it. It it... He can have all the conversations with Adam and the rest. And look, I respect Adam. I've had debates with Adam too over different things, specifically the Silk Road situation and how many hops because I disagree with him. Do I have the credentials that go along with it? No. But I have an opinion, and he actually listened to me and heard me out and gave me clear, concise answers. And I thought it was brilliant. Same with Charles Hoskinson. Brilliant dude. Gotta get a chance to talk to him every once in a while, and he answers questions and is able to debate and and, like, see the other side and correct you where you might be wrong. If he can't do that, then he's never gonna jump on stage with somebody like me because I'm gonna push back. He might have the data. Go ahead. Show me the data. We need to we need to know this stuff. And all of these guys who are in that sector that are that are talking about this need to get out there and talk about it. And if they don't have the social skills, fucking learn the social skills then if you really wanna be taken seriously at the end of the day. That's all. And I get it's late, but don't don't come at me and reframe my fucking argument when I know what the fuck I'm talking about, and it's clear that so does he. So don't try and twist it to twist your way out of it.
[1:40:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I agree with that. I'm I'm all with you, bro. We got you. Empress Goldfang, I can't wait to hear what Empress has to say on this shit. Yeah.
[1:40:55] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: That lovely expression does he can't do teach. Do you guys believe that back in the day with all the founders, I used to do optics in the background. Sometimes those fights, I was picking on the timeline I was doing for them so that they wouldn't do it way back when. But here's the thing. One, I like to, in spaces here, use the term altered. And and late at night, people can be altered too. So you have to pivot and move around that for any number of reasons. It could even be melatonin. So I'm not throwing out an outlandish accusation there. But, like, that... That's something to definitely consider. Additionally, I think all of us tried to show restraint, Dave, respectfully, but it does get tiresome, the whole I I need to to break land y rhetoric. It... It's it's just... It it gets a little boring. And the thing is is while I think that it's very adorable that you guys think that this is the stuff that people need to get out there and talk about, even in universities, I'm not... I don't know how many people attended these type of lectures or have any fucking clue what went on in any aspect of any part of any of that conversation or what was written there and why would it all be germane to anything in this space as we all went and looked up other alpha to see if we had that coin dropped in there. And then the only other thing that I am going to say, I, as somebody, who went to school for years, I had no idea, you guys, the value of learning how to depersonalize and objectively observe until I got here. And I realized, fucking, that lens, that that inability to depersonalize and to take things in and then to project. And then they're so focused, and and this isn't just him. I wanna say this. I'm saying a lot of CT. They get so focused on protecting whatever it is they're perceiving as a personal attack. They aren't actually hearing what's being said, So it's not always a weaponization of your words to fit a narrative. Sometimes it's it's actual idiocy. I... I'm not gonna use a word that everybody else can see to you, but we'll say high needs. At that point, I said I want an AI to break it down. But the thing is is the actual filter, and so it really does come down to, like, stopping traffic and being like, hey. I need you to listen, not listen to respond to my point, and hear what I'm actually saying because it's not always like that. And and it could have been in that case, Landy, but I'm just saying those... There are some things that I've learned to try to pivot and move around when I'm dealing with with conflict.
[1:43:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: I mean, it wasn't conflict until he started to take shots and and try to reframe reframe
[1:43:48] Voice K: my I conf...
[1:43:49] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I said him. I... Conflict.
[1:43:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. No. No. No. I But you're also...
[1:43:52] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: And you also weren't funny. To be clear, if anybody was wondering, Landy was not funny. Questions is not fun. I hate that shit.
[1:44:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well... Yeah. And and look. I I mean... And I... If he's in the in the audience somewhere in the grease trap or something like that, I want you to know that I actually value your opinion and I would like an actual discussion, but you gotta not try to reframe what I'm saying. At least try to... If you're unsure of what I'm saying, ask me a question. But I will interject if somebody's trying to reframe what I'm saying.
[1:44:25] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Oh, I will. You know I will, Landy. I'm I'm
[1:44:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm not... This is the truth.
[1:44:29] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: This is what I've done. I've said to people, okay. So this is what I'm hearing you say, and then let them respond. No. That's not what I'm interpreted. Yes. I know. I know. I'm just saying that's how
[1:44:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: I know. Girlfriend, like, ever. Like, literally ever where I'm just like, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. No. No. No. I heard you very clearly. It's like
[1:44:53] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I... I'm hoping you guys... I I had no... Like, class after class of depersonalization so that you could objectively observe and write reports, it's invaluable. I I can't even explain it.
[1:45:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Being objective is a fucking superpower. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you that much.
[1:45:08] Bread @_ToastMalone: You got to talk to humans as a superpower. You know?
[1:45:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Imagine having to fucking manage fucking 13 of a month since
[1:45:16] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: you've handled it fine. No. I... Like I said, I just... I do get tired of the break Landy mission that happens.
[1:45:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is this Empress defending that? I like this. This is good. Look at this. Snorkel's not today, bro. Justice, do have anything you wanted to close out with? Because I am beat fucking tired.
[1:45:36] Voice I: Yep. So I just wanted to see... Wait. These arguments are crazy. Right? The the the thing is people have okay. I won't say people, but some people have problems with... You know, when you have you have ingested yourself with a certain kind of perspective for a very long time, and you have internally... And, like, you... You've completely agreed which is like... It... It's now a kind of part of you. So when you come across an alternative perspective or a different viewpoint entirely, you you most likely take it as this person doesn't know what what he's saying. Meanwhile, the problem is you. It is you who, you know, took the study in the first place and you did not... You you you stuck with one side of study. Right? I mean, for me, though, if I'm if I'm studying something, if I'm learning about something, there's two sides to everything. So while I'm learning about the side that is saying yes, I want to know the side that says no because there's... You you never know which one is right at the end of the day until you look at both and you look at reality and you say, okay. Which one actually works? Right? But then, yeah, it... It's still... Like, Landy said and Bissy said, it's it's a... It's kind of a problem of personal socialization thing because I feel like if you're arguing with people, you don't try to shove your ideas down their fruits. Right? You should at least hear what they have to say, and if you disagree, you say, oh, I disagree with you based on this and this and that. And, yeah, that's that's how civil people should should debate.
[1:47:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Agreed. Well said, Justice. Really well said. Yeah. Good stuff. Landy, keep fighting with people because apparently, they love it in the comments and the timeline, so I'm all for it. Anybody that wants to take on Landy, please know that we are here Monday through Thursday, 05:30 to 7PM eastern time. That's ninety minutes a day. We do give you some... You know, we kinda go over some crypto news. But other than that, it's just fight.
[1:47:40] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I just wanna be clear. Landy and I fight all the time in DMs, and we are still great friends. Like, literally, just back and forth all the time and and no issues.
[1:47:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Why in the DMs? Bring it here. What kind of bullshit is this? I need asses in seats over here. Okay? Like, fight here. Oh, yeah. Alright?
[1:47:59] Kool @koolcryptovc: Hey. Guys. Guys. Guys. Before you guys go, I'll see you guys in in, like, a week a week and a I am going on vacation with the families in Jamaica in a couple of days. I mean, we're moving in a couple of days. There's a bunch of stuff going on. So I was... I'll I'll definitely try to listen to the show while I'm in Jamaica. Hopefully, it's not too late, but but thank you. Always much love to you guys. You guys are legends. I'm leaving probably, I think, on Sunday or Monday, so you might see see me tweeting. And come by if you're listening. I I have a show tomorrow, Rikoma. If you guys wanna come hear about our Kaito, Infify, Journey, whatever tomorrow, two, three hour show. So much love to all you guys. You guys are freaking awesome. Landy, I love how you you held it down, bro. Don't ever back down, man. I like when people push back and never afraid to stand their ground. You should never kiss anybody's ass. Like, why? Like, if you know your shit, you know your shit. So I I love what you did, bro. Definitely, man. So I appreciate you guys.
[1:48:56] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I'd say you handled it pretty well too, Dave, for being the host.
[1:49:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Show me another host. That shit would've flew off the rails real fucking quick at the end of the day. Are you kidding me, bro? Like... And they have to do left to space, you left to space. It is what it is. But, yo, listen. We we do protect our own here at the end of the day. We wanna obviously, like, foster these incredible conversations, but, you know, you you have to be able to... Like, if you're gonna get in the ring, then you have to be able to fucking take a few punches at the end of the day. Like, that's the bottom line. Cool. Yeah. He bounced, yeah, man. Cool. We're gonna miss cool next week, but I'm gonna need y'all here coming through. Meta beast. Meta eight. Meta eight. Meta eight. Oh, guys, don't forget. Bankers on Ethereum now. You heard Empress say it before. Meta beast, go for it before we close out.
[1:49:36] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Alright. So I caught part of your WagMe space today with a d pin, I wanna say. I've been d pinning, I guess, for almost a year now. If nobody's familiar with the helium network, you can use them for your phone. $20 a month unlimited. Customer service been great. Something to look into. That's all I'm gonna say. Service has been great too. Unlimited $20 a month. Fucking a.
[1:50:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Love that. Let's fucking go. Fantastic. Good shit. Yeah. Deep in space was today. I don't believe that our our spaces tomorrow are gonna are gonna collide. I had the interview with Victor at 11:30AM eastern. I think Cool said him and Koma are gonna be on at three or or two or three. So hopefully, you guys get to chat. That's gonna be live on, I'm streaming across... My god. It's gonna be, like, I think, seven or eight different platforms and channels. So it's gonna be on the WagMe Hub space, on my Twitter, on my YouTube, on the WagMe YouTube, my LinkedIn, Instagram live. Fucking AI. I might even fucking throw a TikTok in the mix if they unban me, Landy, for fucking smoking my vape on fucking... On screen. Who knows? But appreciate you got... Oh, Meta eight. Real quick. Anything you wanna add before I before I close out?
[1:50:52] meta8.eth @EthmojiPunks: Yeah. You're a good bro. I just wanted to come and remind you that crypto is a scam. Fuck all of you. And... Oh, actually, wait. I just realized the time. I'm... It's awfully early here. I'm kind of tired. Fuck you all. Crypto's going to zero.
[1:51:08] Chai @chai_lens: Let's go fucking.
[1:51:10] meta8.eth @EthmojiPunks: I think I'm too intelligent to even speak to you guys, really. That's about it.
[1:51:14] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: That's that purple messy energy. Fuck bitches get many off.
[1:51:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Oh my god. Are y'all competing for the one fucking line? That's how you like these apples. Okay? Landy, don't you fucking do it. You go out on a high note. Okay? Everyone was backing you up. Don't you fucking say a word. Thank you everybody for joining. This was incredible. Hope everybody has a great weekend, and we will see y'all next week. Peace.