All Things Crypto: The Evolution of InfoFi w/Morgan from @Tunnl io

# All Things Crypto: The Evolution of InfoFi w/Morgan from @Tunnl io | 2025-07-15 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1rmxPygrjdbKN | status: approved
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[0:00:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know, it's that pool and pizza life. You know? But now we're gonna get set up. Just finishing my pizza. Oh, look at this. Million dollar bread. Trip, what's good, baby? Hold on. I got some music here for us. I got throwback today. Well, not really throwback, but it's kinda like... You know, I liked it because, you know, I could sing along to a lot of this stuff. You know?
[0:00:58] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Not with your mouth full.
[0:01:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You relax. This is my space now. I do what I want. I do what I damn well, please. Oh, our guest is here. Guys, don't eat on the space when we have a guest here. Morgan, please excuse the the rudeness and the people that are eating on the space. It's ridiculousness over here. You know? Hold on.
[0:01:19] Voice C: I'll I'll allow it. I'll allow it.
[0:01:21] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Don't worry. His music taste will be more abhorrent.
[0:01:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Uh-huh. Wait. Important or abhorrent? You can't be doing that. Don't talk to your I know.
[0:01:30] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Was garbled. I didn't hear.
[0:01:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Alright. You know what? Everybody shut up and let me play my music, alright, for the intro, and then shut up.
[0:03:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm sorry. You guys have to deal with my singing. Here's what it is.
[0:03:09] Voice K: While you're keeping my singing in your mind, like, share, and retweet the space. Thank you.
[0:03:47] Voice K: Guys, like, share, comment, retweet, and we are gonna cook today.
[0:04:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Alright. That's enough. That's enough. And the little joy that I get out of singing from time to time, like, it so happens that it's here. It is what it is. You know? Like, just leave leave me be. I understand. Like, what the hell? You know? Welcome, everybody, to ATC. Happy Tuesday. Hope everybody's week is going well. We had a killer episode yesterday. I'll get a killer one for you guys today. Morgan's here. I'm gonna introduce Morgan in a second. You guys heard what we were talking about yesterday. Just so happens there was another moneymaker that went out today that I claimed again. Shout out to the folks finance team to the tunnel team, but we're gonna get into it in a little bit. But let me just go around and say what's up because there's anarchy going on. There's anarchy in congress, anarchy on hyperliquid. I don't know what the hell Empress is gonna say, but we're here. Cool. What's good, baby? What's good, bro? Hey.
[0:05:06] Kool @koolcryptovc: Hey. You guys? Happy Tuesday. I'm ready. Let's go. Right. Right. Right.
[0:05:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Right. Let's do it. Let's do it. Landy, what's good, my brother? How are we doing? And and by the way, Landy, I do not forget. I I forgive, but I do not forget what you did to me in that Hermetica space. I was just... It was wrong. It was... I'm not gonna tell everybody what you did, but it was just... It was... You you were wrong.
[0:05:29] Voice C: What's up?
[0:05:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dave. I didn't mean to ruin your day. But
[0:05:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god.
[0:05:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: I freaking love you, brother. It's it's a great day. I mean, I I put out a video yesterday. Bitcoin did exactly what I described in the video, so that's good. I got to trade it and everything. I got to go to a Hermetica space, troll you a little bit, but more importantly, a lot because I learned a lot more about what's going on and what the future might hold, including a little bit of things that I didn't even know that were actually already kind of in the works behind the scenes. But that kinda got, you know, somewhat leaked out, but I think we can all surmise what that's gonna be. But it's all good stuff today. I know that, some people are are sad. They're like, look. I I looked at congress, and congress isn't doing what I want them to do. Have they ever done what we want them to do? No. Absolutely not. And when you find out why they actually voted against some of what was out there, it's because there's some gamesmanship being played around this particular agenda point. And it's not all that it seems, and we're likely gonna see this straightened out very soon. And they will start bringing this to committee, and that's where it's going next. So I think it's gonna turn out okay. I think it's gonna be good for the crypto space. But, yeah, let's get let's get rolling right into it.
[0:06:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Let me just say what... God. I was gonna say empress, but... Hey, empress. Why you gotta hate on my music choices, bro? Like, that's what I understand. My... That song choice was good. You don't like that song?
[0:07:13] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I wasn't drunk. Sorry. I'll... Would you want me to pull up drunk? I could start pulling up drunk. I don't know
[0:07:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: how that would go for you. I I... If I'm being honest, I think probably 90% of our audience has no idea if you're drunk or sober the times that you're here because half the time, Landy has to translate the shit that you're saying to the audience, which is massive alpha.
[0:07:34] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Now I'm thinking that you're the one that's drunk because half the time, I'm translating Landy for you. So are you straight over there?
[0:07:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is this what's happened? Is... Am I being... I being... What's happening? Am I being inception right now? Like, I don't know what's going on.
[0:07:48] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: The South is
[0:07:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: really hot. She's got a point. Most of the things that I say, people are like, yeah. So that puppet was saying something. I don't know what the hell it was.
[0:07:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It's true. And, yeah, you're both our translators in this analogy. Go figure. Empress, we both got problems. Bread, what is good, bro? Welcome, my man. What's what's what's cooking, mister Billy Betts? What's happening, bro?
[0:08:09] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yo, GM gang. Can you can you hear me better? I've got a phone that isn't loaded and clogged full of shit and dirt and everything else because, you know, iPhones do that. Yeah, dude. It's another another day of locking in and building dope shit. And, yeah, man, just happy to happy to be here and, you know, listen to Drunk Empress.
[0:08:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. This is what I'm talking about as far as loyalty goes. Thank you very much, Fred. I love having you here all the time, especially when you're on my side. I thought that was gonna be an East Coast crack when you were, like, a bunch of air and smog and shit from the East Coast. That's what I thought you were gonna say, but you didn't. Good job. Sunny d, what's up, my bro? Thank you for the fist pumps during the music, by the way.
[0:08:52] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Hell, yeah. Dude, vibes are vibes. If you can't shift in between another vibe and and some vibe that someone's sharing, oh, man, that just kinda... It just... You're not very loosey goosey, baby.
[0:09:07] Voice C: You gotta be loosey goosey.
[0:09:08] Sunny D @dylN0chill: But I'm telling you, it is as if I were... I live in the Bay Area right now. And in fact, I do live in a bay, and it's an area around the bay, but it's typically very cold. But right now, it's, like, 80 degrees and sunny. And if I lose connection, it's because I'm on a boat. And I'm loving summer. This is amazing. Yeah. And the crypto stuff, I'm pumped. Like, it's just all happening. Tron's awesome. A lot of other chains are awesome. But the simplicity I get for for just being on Tron is perfect because my brain hurts sometimes in these conversations.
[0:09:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: And, Chris, I think we all know who takes the cake for being drunk on the ACC today. Thank you, Sunny d
[0:09:55] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: on a
[0:09:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: boat, baby. Sunny d's on the boat.
[0:09:58] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: In all seriousness, and Dave is unaware of this. I don't know how he's unaware of this. I have a plethora of haters that like to smear my name and say various very bizarre things, including that I shoot Suboxone. So for clarification purposes, I am not altered in any way outside of the kitty crack, aka rock star, that I have consumed in mass quantities today, and I may actually take a bite of my child's key lime pie because he left it sitting here and didn't put it away. Other than that, I am sober, and I just wanna put that out there before you clip that shit up and put it all over the timeline and make my life hell. Then I'm gonna harass you and they... Dave's gonna yell at me.
[0:10:36] Voice C: You gotta switch to Red Bull.
[0:10:38] Bread @_ToastMalone: When you get... You give up that monster. That stuff's poison. You gotta be drinking Red Bull.
[0:10:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. The the the... Like, next thing you know, you're gonna be eating out of four logos. Kidney sticks. I love how
[0:10:47] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I saw bread throwing hundreds up, though, because bread was like, yep. She ain't wrong, but get some clue, Dave. I
[0:10:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: love it. Oh my god. Vince, what's up? Before I say what's up to our final guest, Vince, what's good?
[0:11:02] Vincent_R @DJVincentR: Not a man. I'm here for the tacos and the alpha, bro. But I enjoy having these conversations in great space on that Hermetica space earlier, man. I always pick up a ton of good nuggets through that shit.
[0:11:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Taco Tuesday, except we don't have any tacos to give out. It is what it is, but we do have a massive gift. And if you are here in this space, I'm telling y'all right now, your minds are gonna be blown the same way that my mind was blown because you're... Y'all heard me talking about it yesterday. Morgan, welcome, man. It is great to have you here with us on ATC, dude. Thank you so much for taking the time to come and chat with us, man. What's cooking, man? How's your Tuesday going?
[0:11:34] Voice C: Hey. Hey. It's doing alright. Really appreciate the invite. We've been shipping a release over here today, actually.
[0:11:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like that. I like it. I like it. We're gonna get into all the ton of... You know what? I wanna kick off with a ton of stuff. The congress shit can wait. Everything else could wait. Right? Like, you guys heard Landy, like, okay. So what? We get we get cheaper Bitcoin. Morgan, I wanna give... Literally, I wanna give you the floor because, like, all we talk about in here is, Kaito and Yaps and Snaps and Quacks and and everything else. And when I discovered Tunnel, I'm like, wait a minute. I'm not putting USDC... And by the way, just so everybody knows, like I said in the beginning, I just so happened to claim another folks' finance, Neil. Okay? I submitted my other one this morning for $70, and now another one came up. Claim that one, 77 USDC, that I'm now gonna finish it probably right after ATC and put that one out. Tell me where you're gonna find a 150, $160, bro. Right? And leave my math out of it, Empress. Where are you gonna find a $150? Okay? Like, just chilling out, hanging around. So, Morgan, I wanna give you the floor. Like, literally give us... Like, take a minute or two and just give us the the four one one. What is Tunnel? What are you doing? And how are you different than these other platforms, man?
[0:12:43] Voice C: Yeah. So the TLDR and what Tunnel is, we are a creator rewards platform currently supporting x, where users can get paid to basically share content for different projects. So everyone's familiar with Kaito. Right? You know, you have to earn all that. We have a little different take on it where instead of just yapping and really having to go on leaderboards and hope to get paid, we use smart contract escrow rewards and specific content requirements what you... That you must meet. So what that really means is you get a campaign. You read the bullet points that say what exactly you need to talk about. If you need to quote a specific post or if you need to tag certain people, then you can claim a deal for a payment amount that's based on your true profile metrics, your smart followers, your engagement, all these sorts of things. We have this reward formula, and you claim a payout amount. You post the tweet, which meets the requirements, submit it, and get paid exactly forty eight hours later in USDC. And we do this all through smart contracts. There's no person that's deciding whether you get paid or not. None of that shenanigans. You don't have to wait on a leaderboard. You don't have to wait for an airdrop. It's just USDC that's locked in a smart contract, and we actually use an AI Oracle built using Chainlink functions, which checks that your post meets all the requirements. And as long as you don't delete your post for forty eight hours and it passes the verification, you get paid.
[0:14:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wake
[0:14:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: up, ladies and gents, because if you're not awake right now after what my man literally just dropped, I don't know what the hell it is that you're doing. He literally just told you after a forty eight hour review, there's no more guest game... There's no more guessing games. There's no more, oh, I hope the algorithm gets this, and I get some extra yaps and this and that. There's no more of that. It's just straight. You put together a great post. You meet all the requirements. Here is your USDC. And by the way, this is not in my benefit to bring this man onto this platform. I just want everybody to understand that. Okay? Because these deals are gonna start getting claimed up quick, quick, quick, and that is not my benefit. Alright? Like... So at the end of the day, I want people to genuinely understand, like, this is serious, serious info that you can genuinely get paid to post out here with no guessing games and no guesswork. Cool. Morgan, before I just jump back into it, cool, I just kinda want your initial reaction in terms of, like, what this is because, like, I knew that, like, you know, you're... You and Coma have been all over the yaps, quacks, snaps, and everything else. What do you think about this model?
[0:15:23] Kool @koolcryptovc: No. I I I I like it, man. It's it's it's been very stress free stress free stress free. The the Kite and stuff, it's it's legit, but, man, it's it's The Hunger Games, man. You you only get seen those movies where we we all fight in and, you know, with with knives, and we we need to get... The only one person survives. That's what that's what Kaito is. So, no, this this model is is pretty cool, man. I I like it.
[0:15:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like it a lot. Landy, first thoughts.
[0:15:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: Finally, USD stables. If you want to advertise, if you want marketing, pay people in stables. Stop paying them in Aloe because then it negatively affects your project. If they love your project, they'll take those stables, they will reinvest it in it. Thank you. That's all I have to say on that. I've been been been on this fucking bandwagon for years, Years and years and years. That's how you do it right. That's being done right. So I like this.
[0:16:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: I gotta... He's a he's a little puppet, so we gotta help boost him up a little bit and just get his voice to to, like, you know, travel a little bit further. But, you know, he's right. He is right. And, you know, I don't want this to seem like... This is, like, shill... Like, guys, I'm dead serious. Like, Morgan's not paying to be here. I literally met him in a space, invited him over here because this is what we do on ATC. Like, I want to bring the value to people so people genuinely understand. Morgan, I'm gonna start pinning a few things to the top so people can genuinely understand, like, how, like, you know, how this works and and and kinda everything that you said. But what... Like, what genuinely makes you guys... Like, exactly what Kool said. Right? What's the big differentiator? What's the kind of feedback that you're hearing from a lot of people that's like, oh my god. Like, this is so different than Taito or this or that? What's the big... Like like, is it the guesswork, or is it some... Something else?
[0:17:12] Voice C: Yeah. I think the big thing that we focused on is I never really intended this to be only focused on crypto. So, I mean, it's still pretty new. We only really started building, like, a year ago. I just quit my job at Chainlink Labs a little over six months ago. And so the real reason why we're so focused on stables and not leaning too much into, like, purely degen stuff is we know this marketing platform can go way beyond crypto. I mean, it's just a better way to market in general. Like, you're never gonna get, like, influencers in mainstream industries to do things for whatever tokens. Like, you need to pay them real money and also make sure that they're getting paid fairly. Like, they also don't understand mindshare and stuff like that. Like, that's really only a niche crypto thing. And so if we're ever gonna break Infofy out of purely crypto, we really need to build a platform that pays people fairly in real money.
[0:18:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love it, man. It's so true, dude. It is so true, guys. I pinned it up... I pinned up their pinned post at the top so you guys can understand. Morgan, maybe tell us a little bit about... Because the thing that I love, honestly, is the Telegram alert bot. It... For me, is the thing that it... That... That's everything. It's like when the deals come out... Because, like, you know, we've had, like, Yap Market and a bunch of these others, but it's like... It's literally... It's like cool set. It's Hunger Games. But with the Telegram notification, bro, I'm literally on my phone. I'm doing a million other things. I get the Telegram notification for TunnelBot. I open it up, click on it, claim the deal, and then I got twenty four hours to literally just put the whole post together. That's a... Bro, that's a lifeline. That is a world of time in crypto for me because if I had to do it either right then and there or, like, I get some guesswork, like, I'll get around because cool always gives me shit about, like, how are you not posting more? In this instance, this genuinely allows to post more. So, like, tell me about, like, the, like, Telegram alerts and and a few other maybe other cool features that you got cooking over there.
[0:19:02] Voice C: Yeah. One of the things we realized is that speed to getting content on the timeline is huge. Like, if you're a marketer and you're doing some really big marketing campaign, maybe it's fine if it takes a few, like, weeks or months to put together. But a lot of times, especially for small projects or if you've got, like, a really specific thing you wanna get the word out for, you want people to post within, like, a few hours, a day at most, and that's something we focused on. So we have an integrated Telegram bot where you can subscribe to get instant notifications as soon as a campaign is launched. So what we see is a brand will come to us. You know, we'll work out all of the, the campaign requirements, the budget, all that. Then we launch the campaign, and it automatically sends a notification to every eligible creator so they can instantly click a link and claim their deal. So we really focused on that to get speed to content and let people know, hey. This is what you're gonna earn. All you gotta do is post this, meet these requirements, and just make it really, really frictionless.
[0:20:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: So simple. Brad, we're gonna see some Billy Betz stuff here or what? Because, bro, like, the the the what's it called darn huge. Right? Like, the two folks finding one that that I have... Think about this. Right? They spent a thousand bucks over the last probably twenty four... Probably a lot more, but, like, just from what I've seen. They spent a thousand dollars just in the ones that... Like, the the deals that I've claimed, and they're now probably all over the timeline now, like, little by little because they have an upcoming NFT mint. This is perfect for something like that. You have an announcement. You have something big coming up. Like, this is a way to get... Exactly what Morgan said. Like, speed to the timeline is huge. But can you see Billy Betz using something like this?
[0:20:39] Bread @_ToastMalone: Oh, yeah, dude. Absolutely. I mean, like, one of the things that we're building this week because, yeah, it's all star week right now, so there's no baseball games to bet on. And so we're all kinda like, well, now what do we do? You know? And it's like, oh, shit. Right. Twitter. Yeah. Let's get Twitter turned back on. And so me and one of the other devs is... We're testing some things. We're trying to get Billy back out on Twitter talking shit and and being able to tag and and communicate with him. And, mean, when we first launched back in February, we were just using, like, the Eliza, you know, build for Twitter. And, within the first two weeks, we have 5,000,000 impressions. You know? So, I mean, like, this is definitely, like, something that we could probably take advantage of, you know, especially, you know, there might be some huge announcements and things happening next week.
[0:21:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, you sneaky little son of a bitch. Okay. I like it. I like it. Morgan, real quick, and then I'm gonna go to Landy. But, like, can you tell me how the... Like, how do the people that run campaigns decide on the actual budget USDC amount? Like, is this something you recommend? Like, how does that work? Because 70... Like, 70... I... Both... The ones that I claim 70 and $77, bro, you keep that, like like, that all day, bro, you will have no problem getting users, like, to to your platform, dude. None.
[0:21:55] Voice C: Yeah. So we have been working with brands to just... So, like, we have zero VC backing at all. We've just been bootstrapping it to the max. So we don't have, like, any big push. There's no juice campaign rewards. We simply go to brands and kinda just negotiate with them. We just do, like, a $500 minimum budget size. So, hey. You know, that'll be the minimum. Gotta organize it. Then we'll set the requirements with them, but we make recommendations too. Right? Like, hey. If you're trying to get this kinda reach, well, then you need sort of this kind of budget to to do it. But we've really seen the budgets be slowly increasing over time as we get more traction. I think when you're not VC backed, you need to really, really focus on the product because no one really trusts you, you know, if you're not backed by an a 16 z. You have to prove yourself. And that's pretty... It's tough. Like, not gonna lie. But I think we've managed to do it now after continued building. And so now I can use the past brands we've done as a case study, then go to a new brand and be like, hey. You're not just, like, taking a random gamble. Like, you can see the results what we did for these guys. It's on chain. Like, you can prove it right here. And, yeah, then we just go and and can land bigger and bigger campaigns. And we actually have some really big campaigns lined up soon as well Within the next few weeks, we're gonna be launching even bigger campaigns and also a major new product as well.
[0:23:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, don't you announcement of announcement me. There's one thing I'm allergic to out here. It's announcements of announcements, Morgan. Please.
[0:23:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: Alright. Alright. No. We we are we
[0:23:20] Voice C: are shipping something at the end of this month. We have our new product, and then we've got the big campaigns as well. So it's it's not announcements of announcements. We're we're launching it. It'll be like an initial MVP, so not the full rollout, but it's something that you're going to be able to use before the end of July.
[0:23:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. I like it. Landy, what's up, bro?
[0:23:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: Alright. I mean, after of an announcement from Brad, I I don't blame you for the announcement of announcement allergy here. So, as as now, I'm like, well, shit. Now I gotta really pay... I gotta hyperfocus on whatever Brad's doing and whatever Morgan's gonna be doing next year. But I wanna know, you know, what... When you're when you're a smaller platform, not VC backed, and you're trying to make it in this game, you know, there's there's probably a lot of brands and projects that that you're approaching. Do you have a vetting process for who and how you approach them and what it is that you're looking for in a potential partner? And when you're big enough where they're coming to you, do you do you have a way to flush out that vetting process so that it's not just some random rug token that's coming along that wants exposure and wants to utilize your platform to do so?
[0:24:36] Voice C: Yeah. I think the big thing is I... I mean, especially working in the industry for three years myself as a dev. You know? I mean, chain, like, it's pretty institutional. Right? Very trad fi sort of vibes there. And so my network really isn't in the whole DeFi, you know, token kind of space. So I think that sort of made it easy. Like, the projects I was reaching out to, you know, Folks Finance or Conchero or Space and Time, they're another brand that we got a partnership going with. Those are really legit projects to begin with, and they're already who I had in my network. I mean, admittedly, like, you know, six months ago when we were first starting out, we definitely had to work. I remember there's this coin. It was like Pooh coin. And I was like, oh my god. I can't believe we're working with them. But not gonna lie. Like, if you're an initial builder, you just gotta take what comes to you. But now we're in a place where we actually have a brand to protect. Right? And so we're really hyper focused on making sure that those brands are set up for success. But it's not even that hard. Because if you say, hey. $500 minimum budget, USDC, like, we're not gonna pay people in your shitty token, it really weeds out a lot of those projects that are just looking to rug.
[0:25:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love this, man. I'm telling you. I love it so much. Stables is the way to go. Like, this is it. Like, it really does weed out. Because everyone's gonna say, oh, yeah. Here you go. I can give you freaking a thousand dollars of, like, my token. It's fine. It's cool. And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that's terrible, but that has to be, like, in a decent amount of size because once people are gonna earn it, they're just gonna go out and they're gonna dump it at the end of the day. At least this way, look, you might not have the biggest budgets, but $500? I'm I'm... Landy, I'm about to I'm about to quote boiler room. Don't tell me you can't put the... Tell me tell me you don't like my fucking necktie, but don't tell me you can't put together $2,500. You know what I'm saying? Like, for $500, at the end of the day, like, there are brands out there. Yo, Morgan, I don't know if you're looking for BD reps, but I'll tell you right now, I can funnel you a shit ton of brands for a $500 budget that would love to be featured on your platform, dude, and I'm being dead serious.
[0:26:39] Voice C: Yo. We're actually working on affiliate... A BD affiliate program. So if that's something you're into, definitely hit us up. Because we wanna just... Like, it's a little tough not being VC backed to, like, put someone on a salary. But if we're like, hey. We'll share a percentage of the total reward pool you land. Like, hell, that's easy for us, so we might as well do it. But, actually, my cofounder, Kyle, is currently working on that program right now. That's about to go live within the next couple weeks here. So, seriously, hit me up. We'll get you in touch.
[0:27:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is what I'm talking about. Like, I don't know about y'all, but the word affiliate has been everywhere in my spaces over the last forty eight to seventy two hours. And I'm tell... And my live streams, and I'm telling y'all right now, like, the affiliate game, cool. We're gonna get into we're gonna get into the affiliate game. I know referral game and everything else. I should probably put my referral link in the top of here. Right? Fuck. Fuck this. Yeah.
[0:27:29] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I was wondering where that was. Dave, what's your performance level metric?
[0:27:34] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I need you some...
[0:27:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hate it here. I hate here. I hate it here.
[0:27:37] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. That's what I've been saying....
[0:27:39] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: All signed up, so I'm just wondering what's your performance level metric is, Dave. I'm curious.
[0:27:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Vincent, please go ahead. I hate it here.
[0:27:48] Vincent_R @DJVincentR: No. Morgan, I I love this kind of, type of marketing, as far as that goes because they fee... Feel like businesses, they want more organic reach. They can they can take these marketing budgets and and be more constructive towards paying for organic content and be pushed out. There's a lot of companies that do this, but I think the way of doing it and monetizing it, smart contract automation of it, beautiful. I love I love what I'm hearing so far, so thank you for sharing.
[0:28:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. For sure.
[0:28:18] Voice C: It's honestly, like, I know Jesse from base always says it, but it's, like, still day one over here. I think one of the coolest things has been a... Being able to, like, build alongside the community and get that constant feedback. Because, like, look. We've rolled out some features that have flopped. We've rolled out some updates that aren't popular. But, hey, as soon as I can listen to the community, learn what's going on, and quickly react, that's been the best part. It's honestly like a superpower, and I think the best part about building a web three.
[0:28:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Amazing stuff, dude. Amazing, amazing stuff. I love it. Yeah. Alright. Wait. I'm getting my referral link now. Goddess, look at this. Okay. Getting my referral link now. I'm gonna put it in the comments, and then I'm gonna pin it up to the top. One of the questions you guys have for Morgan because... I mean, there's... Morgan... And and if I recall correctly, I saw your account four days ago, and you were at 300 and something followers, dude. You're now at four and a half thousand followers in three or four days. This is what exponential growth genuinely looks like, bro. Like, am am I crazy, or am I see... Am I seeing that right?
[0:29:15] Voice C: Like, the BD what we were at exactly. I actually don't even control that main account. So I'm with the dev on the team. I am not even, like, the BD guy. I mean, I have my own personal account, but I don't make content here. So that's all my cofounder, Kyle. Big shout out to him. He's the one that stays on our feed. I'm more, like, in the trenches of the code. But, yeah, we have seen some really, really big growth. So it's super exciting to see that. And I think the big thing for us is just being able to get that reputation with brands because you can have all the followers in the world. But unless you actually know people in the industry who are willing to trust you with large budgets, like, you're not gonna get anywhere.
[0:29:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's facts. What's the biggest budget you guys have worked with? So what have you guys done so far? I saw, like, so far, you've paid out a little over a $135 in USDC. Right? Like, tell me to get... Like, flex a little bit. Like, I wanna hear, like, really what you guys have done.
[0:30:03] Voice C: I think we're closing in on 200 k in total rewards, through the platform right now. The largest campaign we've done, we actually just closed a deal for 17 k total reward pool. That campaign is scheduled to go live, I think, the end of this week or next week. I'm not exactly sure the date on that, but I know that we actually just received the transaction for the funds today. So super hyped for that. 17 k has been our biggest budget so far, but we're looking at even more. And I think what I'm really excited about is being able to do a new product too, which allows not just brands to promote stuff, but anyone. So it'll be Tunnel Boost. Actually, I haven't even announced it yet. You guys are the first people to hear about this new product. But Tunnel Boost, it's it's coming. We're doing it so you can basically get promotion on anything. Because a lot of people aren't brands. Right? Like, what if you're just a founder and you wanna do the whole founder led marketing thing where you're trying to promote your personal brand to get more attention to your product? Well, you might not have some $500 budget, but maybe you've got, like, you know, 25 or $50, and you just wanna get a little bit more visibility on a certain one of your posts. Well, with Tunnel Boost, you're gonna be able to do that.
[0:31:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait a minute. So, like... Yeah. So it's a bit... Just real quick. So, Morgan, are you saying that I can promote, like, ATC, like this like this show, All Things Crypto?
[0:31:26] Voice C: Definitely. So, like, you go live. What you do, you... You'd go live. Right? You'd have your little tweet where you're saying, hey. You know, come come through. Put that in there. Launch it. People instantly start engaging, reposting, commenting, following, and real people too. Like, this isn't bots. We don't work with bots, none of that shit. So we actually validate every single creator on the platform, not just with Kaito, not just with, like, your metrics, not just the verified status, but we use TweetScout, Kaito, and Twitter engagement metrics. So there are no bots on our platform. We fully validate it with three different things. We kinda use Infophy aggregation. So instead of even relying on our own metrics, we're using many different data points and making sure every creator's legit. And so, like, yeah, of course, you're not gonna get paying people, like, 10¢. You know? The minimum payout is a dollar, and it's usually more in the $20 range per engagement. But these are, like, real chat accounts that are engaging with you. So we're not trying to compete with the people that in your DMs like, oh, get some promotion on Twitter. No. No. No. None of that. This is real Web three creators certified in the industry.
[0:32:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Did y'all even know what TweetScout was? Vince, did you know what TweetScout was before this? I had no idea what TweetScout was before I met more... Until I met Morgan. Legit. No clue.
[0:32:39] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I did. I used to to dunk on people when they had bad at accounts.
[0:32:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love it. Vince, go for it.
[0:32:47] Vincent_R @DJVincentR: Morgan, I'm curious as a a music producer, is this something that you would go down within the music industry, that ecosystem?
[0:32:56] Voice C: Yeah. So the current focus right now, we're very much focusing on web three and making this really work well in web three. But as I said before, like, that's just the start. We know that... I mean, our team is... It's five people. So with that small of a team, you really wanna make sure you're focused on one thing at a time. And we wanna kill it with web three, and then the next phase is gonna be expanding beyond, especially beyond x. Because we know that crypto Twitter, it's a little bit of a bubble around here as much as I love everyone. Like, we're trying to get new users in the space. And those new users, they're on TikTok. They're on Instagram. They're on YouTube Shorts. And that's where a lot of that mainstream stuff is too. Like, for example, I'm sure everyone scrolls YouTube Shorts or TikTok and, like, they see music, like, clipping where, you know, it just got some, like, music video that's clipped up whatever to music. Those, like, those producers are paying $2 per thousand views just for people to, like, hear that twenty second clip. And so clipping is this huge industry, and we already have the infrastructure to do these sorts of content rewards. So that is the next really big phase we're looking at as we expand beyond web three. So I I don't wanna, like, have you have a bad experience by trying to promote something outside of web three today just because that's not the focus. But we're now building the infrastructure, battle testing it in web three. And now that we finally have more mainstream adoption of stablecoins, we're gonna be able to go to mainstream creators and say, hey. It's like real money on the blockchain. This isn't some bullshit token. You can take this to your bank and actually use it.
[0:34:34] Vincent_R @DJVincentR: Oh, okay. Thank you.
[0:34:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Great stuff. Morgan, I I want you to get into also because, like, this is gonna be something that I... Like, I literally... I'm teaching my nephew about, like, affiliate marketing. He's 16 years old. Okay? 16. And I'm like, yo. This is something that you need to understand how to do because he's home for the summer, and I'm like, yo. Like... And I'm talking to my sister, his mom, and I'm like, I'm gonna teach him how to do this because this is no brainer. Is there... And I'm gonna... Empress, I'm coming right to you. Just this one question. Is there any restriction on, like, the type of account? Right? Like, if it's an account with a thousand followers or 2,000 followers, can he... Because he just started building up his Twitter. Can he still claim a deal, or is there, like, a minimum requirement of some sort that that, like, you have to meet?
[0:35:21] Voice C: Yeah. We do have minimum requirements because that's part of it. Right? Like, we don't want just anybody, because we wanna provide value to the people that are marketing on our platform. So if he's got a thousand, like, he might be there, but it's not even really based on your follower count at all. At this time, because we're got that web three focus, it's really focused on that web three niche. Because if you're promoting something, like, great. You get a thousand views, but who cares if they're not in the niche that you're actually targeting? So that's why we'll start with web three, focus on that niche, but then we can build this for other niches. Right? Like, maybe you do hip hop music specifically. Well, then you would want to be matched with creators that actually have influence just in that community specifically. So that's really been the focus here is making sure they're high quality creators. Even if they're, like, smaller, we wanna make sure they're genuinely aligned and have genuine influence in whatever industry they're promoting.
[0:36:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: So many more questions about, like, AI. Yeah. We're gonna go down this rabbit hole. But, Empress, go for it. And then, cool, I definitely want you to chime in. I would love to hear kinda, like, what... Where your thoughts are at for now. But, yeah, Empress, go for it.
[0:36:23] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Are you sure?
[0:36:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: You better chill out. You better you better talk
[0:36:27] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: to You seem pretty...
[0:36:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like, I
[0:36:29] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: don't wanna interrupt. I also checked the DMs, please, of the group chat because I'm doing you solid. Morgan, quick question. Actually, that's interesting to me. What about the people? Because, like, you're gonna have a lot of crypto hoes and trash signing up, and they're gonna have botted accounts, massively botted accounts. What... Like, how does that... Does he... Like, does he keep bar them? Does he gatekeep them? What does that look like in the system?
[0:36:54] Voice C: Yes. We've got a few things. First, there is some bare minimum requirements where you simply cannot claim a campaign if you fail to meet those minimum standards. But even after you meet those, we're not going to pay you for bodied views. So we're able to detect boted audience and boted
[0:37:10] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: engagement Yes.
[0:37:11] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: I love you.
[0:37:12] Voice C: Sure that people aren't being paid for pure bots. So it's something that... And the thing too is, like, the techniques that these botters use are constantly changing. So we're constantly adapting. Like, even just today, we pushed a reward formula update, which really improves our ability to detect and nuke different botting strategies. So we're constantly there because the botters never sleep. Right? Like, they're always using new strategies, but we're able to detect that too because we've got live metrics reporting on all of our campaigns.
[0:37:43] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: So cool. I love that. I tell people all the time they should be blocking bots. They should be not not embracing bots. So I love that there's something that reinforces that.
[0:37:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Because
[0:37:52] Voice C: what happens when you bot is great. You look like you have a bunch of followers. At first, you get this, like, sugar high, but eventually, those bots don't really engage with your posts and don't actually care. And so you actually permanently ruin your audience. So I've had brands come to us, like, with obviously botted followings. I'm like, you should just delete your account and restart because you have ruined your account going forward.
[0:38:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Morgan, I need this affiliate code ASAP because I'm looking at Sunny d, and we are gonna serve you up the Tron ecosystem on a silver fucking platter, bro. The whole goddamn ecosystem starting with Sun Pump and literally branching out to every other place. Morgan, affiliate code ASAP. Please, bro.
[0:38:36] Voice C: Yeah. Let's go. We actually... We don't even have, like, affiliate codes. So this program, we're doing as an initial pilot. We're still, like, hand selecting a group of people. That's why I'm gonna get you in touch with my boy, Kyle. And we're, like, just doing it where you basically fill out a reward form, like, refer the brand, and then you'll just get a percentage of their total campaign budget.
[0:38:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, Sunny d, tell me this isn't music to your ears right now, bro. This is like... All I hear is cha ching. Dude. Dude, that's so... This
[0:39:09] Sunny D @dylN0chill: is trying to everywhere.
[0:39:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Get the lunch first.... Got it. I mean, get the lunch. Swim to shore, Sunny d. Swim to shore. Metabeast, you've been awfully quiet. I need to hear, like, what you're talk... What what what you're saying. Wait, Sunny d. Are you are you good, Sunny d, now?
[0:39:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I'm a notch. You're halfway on my ass, but other than that, I'm perfect.
[0:39:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: What was that?
[0:39:52] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: What's happening with scared now.
[0:39:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Morgan... Metabase is our resident shit disturber, I guess, if you if you'd like to call it, but he contributes such amazing content, though. If you just... We gotta have him.
[0:40:05] Vincent_R @DJVincentR: I was ignored. I was denied.
[0:40:10] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Not really sure I'm saying. Oh. Oh. Give me the drive. All keys.
[0:40:15] Landy @CryptoLandy: Because he was on stage, and you said, let me say hi to everyone, and then we're gonna get over to Morgan, and you skipped over Metabees. That's what... I get it now, Metabees. Oh.
[0:40:26] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I had no idea what he was talking about because I didn't know he was on search engine.
[0:40:29] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Suffer the consequences.
[0:40:31] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. Yeah. I just want you to know, Meta Beast, them's the brakes, baby. That's the reason we got branding. Why you keep changing your p o p? I didn't even know you were up here.
[0:40:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: You just got to p o
[0:40:40] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: p change a hoe. You can't be doing that. That is not how we rock here.
[0:40:44] Bread @_ToastMalone: I can't... Shout out to Landy on the TA for the conversation. That was awesome.
[0:40:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Metapiece was the user change...
[0:40:53] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: But I'm also not a hoe or a coho in this space, so I blame all three of them. Thank you.
[0:40:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: That... I'm working. Well, I I might be a coho, but I didn't know that Metapiece was on stage, and I apologize. Metapiece. Steve? Steve?
[0:41:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Are you throwing me a little bit beside that? You're piece of shit.
[0:41:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: He's still a listener for me.
[0:41:14] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Morgan Morgan, don't mind me.
[0:41:16] Voice C: Alright. I'll I'll try my best.
[0:41:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: Morgan's like, yeah. It's cool. I can roll with the punches. Oh
[0:41:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: my god. Sunny d, Michael, you got something. What's good?
[0:41:29] Sunny D @dylN0chill: Oh, my bad. My bad. But for real, though, like, the the k... Fake KOLs are ruining everything right now. So this is... I'm super pumped about it. So... And I'm really happy. This dude sounds really smart. I love that you brought him here.
[0:41:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, Sunny d. Love it. Cool. Anything else you wanna add? I mean, Morgan, just FYI, the fact that Empress said she loves you, I don't think she's ever said that to, to any guest whatsoever, like, ever. I mean... And I mean, ever... Let alone anybody out here web...
[0:42:03] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Really weird. I was just celebrating a fellow, like, bot slayer person. Gotta make it odd, man.
[0:42:11] Voice C: Well, I I love you too if that means anything.
[0:42:13] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: She loves this space in general, so there you go. There's that too.
[0:42:17] Bread @_ToastMalone: I love lamp.
[0:42:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Amen. Here we go.
[0:42:22] Voice C: Literally watched that movie yesterday.
[0:42:24] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let's go fucking.
[0:42:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. You can't hit him with the let's go fucking this early, bro. It's supposed to be at the end. Morgan, I'm sorry. I
[0:42:34] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: don't know. Is it time for my rant? There's a reason that this is timely.
[0:42:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay.
[0:42:39] Voice C: Oh, we got rants here too? Hell yeah.
[0:42:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, Morgan, chill out. Yeah. You... I promise. You're gonna love this one. Mori, Empress, please rant away. How'd it go on hyper liquid today, by the way, with that, sticky liquid... Don't come
[0:42:52] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: in a rant away and then did... Then direct my rant that's handling me. That's exactly what the problem is because listen up, motherfuckers. If you are a goddamn man and a founder of a meme coin community, the last thing that I fucking need you to do is to put out a tweet that says, I'm opening a space about web three women and how we are so supportive here of all that they build and what they do and how they do it. And then what I really love, when you wanna double down and say, don't you think guys? Do you guys think we treat women well here? Because we love the circle jerk where you all validate each other on whether you treat us well or not. Then let's add to that, and let's tag every crypto chick, god love them, use your body as you will, but whose entire page is actually covered in tits and skin. And, actually, I have known and seen, said the words, I will send you my tits for alpha, and that is going to be your actual sample audience for how women builders in the space are treated in CT. And you're going to tell me that I'm fine, and you're going to actually use the words, and I might let tag a woman name even cohost. Well, would you would you let us? Are you gonna let us participate in that woman's space you're holding for us, that you're talking about us, and you're telling us how great it is here for us? Thank you. Thank you so much. We really appreciate you. Okay. I'm
[0:44:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: done. Hallelujah. For the record, I take that back. She did say she loves all things crypto. She says she loves it here, that's the second thing she said she loved. So I take it back. Yes. Great rant, Empress. Ladies and gentlemen, our resident intern, Vibes, is here as well. Vibes, you still have never... You have not signed the paperwork yet for the official internship to begin. So we support women here, obviously, yada, everything Empress just said, yada yada yada yada yada. Yes. We haven't discussed terms, but hello. Happy Tuesday. Happy Tuesday. Well, it's good. How are you, Vibe? Is everything good? Life is lifeing is all I'll say, but we're here. We're smiling. And Tuesday's nearly over, so that's a win for me. I'm like, yo. New day. Let's start again. Taco Tuesday.
[0:45:04] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I would also like to caveat before any psychopathic femina... Nazis get into my DMs. I am for sex workers. I am for shilling your body. Do whatever the hell you wanna do. Just don't pretend that you walk the same path that I do. It's not my business and your... My business isn't your business. Do you, boo?
[0:45:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: See that? Morgan, we got drama.
[0:45:25] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Be safe. Be well. Be you.
[0:45:27] Bread @_ToastMalone: What's the ticker?
[0:45:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, we... I've yet to announce the space yet, so chill out. When I announce the space, maybe I'll let a female voice.
[0:45:36] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Haven't... Hey. Hi.
[0:45:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is this an announcement of the announcement? I feel that's what you're doing now.
[0:45:40] Bread @_ToastMalone: Oh, I hate those.
[0:45:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Those are words.... Internet, and I feel I should be picking you up on these little foibles. You're welcome.
[0:45:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. I have a real question for Morgan. Everybody shut up. Okay? Just shut up a second. I have a real question. Morgan... In control of your space.
[0:45:55] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: May I
[0:45:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: just told you to shut up? I'm finally... Oh, god.
[0:45:58] Bread @_ToastMalone: Oh, jeez. What... That's so web three of him, Empress.
[0:46:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: I hate it here. I'm just a puppet. I can't do anything.
[0:46:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: I was ignored. Little... Is it gonna make... You're gonna make me do it? Sorry. You what?
[0:46:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: 321. 123. What the heck is bothering me?
[0:46:21] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Did you just sesame straight us?
[0:46:24] Bread @_ToastMalone: Shout out Elmo.
[0:46:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Therapist has to do. My therapist has to do.
[0:46:28] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: No. Don't shout out Elmo right now. Elmo's caustic right now.
[0:46:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Did you not see what happened on Elmo's timeline? You are not... Elmo, so fucking with everybody. No. There is no shouting out Elmo. But, Morgan,
[0:46:44] Bread @_ToastMalone: I didn't have a
[0:46:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: serious I'm sorry. Wait a minute. I was just gonna skip over that you had Elmo voice loaded in the chamber ready to fucking go. Are you kidding me?
[0:46:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Do you wanna do you wanna hear... Do you wanna see something even crazier? My my my cousin came over and and my nephew's here with his kids. They literally just heard that. What comes flying into the room for Bubba to play with? You guys are gonna lose your minds right now. All of a sudden, I see a big red Elmo come flying in out of the corner of my eye, and I'm like, what is happening right now? I'm pinning it right now to the top. This is crazy. Yeah. Be careful. Careful. He knows your
[0:47:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: he knows your kosher, bro. He's coming after you, bro.
[0:47:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I'm saying, I don't know what this Elmo is capable of. Literally, this just landed in the room. Check the pinned tweet. Now let me ask my question. Morgan, AI companies, how far off are we from that? Because I am literally this close to closing a deal with GenSpark and some really, really well funded, like, well VC funded AI companies that wanna sponsor some livestreams, some spaces, and everything else. And I... Bro, it's so... I... I'm so pissed because I actually put together the proposal, and I sent it out this morning. And I would love to include you in, like, future proposals because I think you just add to my offering. You know what I mean? So I know you wanna focus on the web three, but when we say web three, do we include AI in the web three space? Because I know... I mean, I do. I think it's all one AI in the blockchain, like, are gonna... They need each other. It is what it is, but I'm just kinda curious how you're looking at it.
[0:48:15] Voice C: Yeah. I think it's actually a really natural evolution. That's kinda was our plan is sort of start with Web three, but then expand out to adjacent industries, especially the build in public crowd. Like, I mean, I'm a dev. Right? So I'm pretty passionate about open source, build in public, all that shit. And especially when it comes to AI development too, I think, you know, the big, like, corporate AI, it might be, like, a little different. Like like, I don't really wanna be promoting, like, open AI who's gonna create AGI and kill us all. But especially the decentralized AI companies or especially just the ones that are more about open source and doing something for the betterment of everybody, I'm I'm super bullish on that.
[0:48:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I got one teed up for you right now, bro. Their TGE is coming up. The ThinkAgent team is ready to cook. Buildo, welcome, bro. This is... I couldn't... We couldn't have teed this up better, bro. What's good, my man?
[0:49:07] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: What's going on? First of all, that Elmo pick kinda... I hate to say it, but it looks like my PFP. Second, it supports Metabeast and his PFP changes because you gotta keep these imposters guessing. Third, Dave also changes PFP. So if you're gonna give MetaBeat shit, you gotta give Dave shit too. I was gonna come up, and when I heard Empress was drunk, and she clarified and said she wasn't drunk, I decided just to stay as listener. Then I heard she went on a rant, and I had to come up because I feel attacked. Like, I don't give a shit. I will steal some tidbits for alpha all day long. If you have alpha, shoot in my DMs, and I will flash you these I
[0:49:51] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: forgot the fragile male ego disclaimer. Please feel free, men, to actually be equal and send all of your nudes in any shape or form across to anyone that you want. But I would wait for consent, but, you know, you're not going to, many of you.
[0:50:05] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Aren't those moobs? I thought they were moob pics.
[0:50:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Man boobs. Moobs. Gross.
[0:50:15] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: But, yeah, sorry for going on a rant. Think agent, TG coming up this month. They dropped a, like, forty five minute video discussion
[0:50:24] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: on won, Beldo. Okay.
[0:50:28] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: I don't know what you won, but congratulations.
[0:50:30] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Archie, you're on the on the game.
[0:50:32] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Congratulations.
[0:50:36] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: But, yeah, I think think could do well with this as well as, you know, future verse. So I invited Aaron as well to hopefully come on sometime this week and just have a casual chat, But we'll direct them to what you guys are building and see if it would be a good fit as well.
[0:50:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Amazing, dude. Thank you, bro. Yeah. Morgan, like, I'm telling you, this is what we do out here. And and me specifically, I love putting brands in touch with... I I love connecting the dots. Right? Like, me and Buildo run shows together. Me and Cool, Landy, you obviously see the whole crew here. Me and Britt run a Sunday night show together. Like like, you know, me and Sunny d run a show Thursday show together. Like, we all work together, and we want... And across so many... And vast different ecosystems, it's crazy. From Bitcoin to Tron to just weekly web three news to literally crypto to AI, I mean, across the board.
[0:51:30] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: So Why did he leave out our late night BDSM conversations?
[0:51:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't... There is no... I do not... I want nothing to do with those conversations. You understand me? I am not... I participate from time to time. I have not recently.
[0:51:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: Thank you. Looking for sponsor.
[0:51:55] Landy @CryptoLandy: But he he...... Stage attends those spaces, which is the funniest part about this.
[0:52:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: There's no promoting late night land... Listen, Morgan. If Landy approaches you in the DMs and says, wanna promote something called late night late late night with Langley Langley... Landy.
[0:52:11] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Oh, you don't even know. We broke down some serious alpha last night, and it was not at all... It was all crypto related as a matter of fact. You don't know nothing about
[0:52:21] Bildo Verde @BildoVerde: our life. You guys were sending tipics?
[0:52:22] Voice C: No. Thanks. I'm married. Not not going on some late night. I don't I don't know what But, this
[0:52:29] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Morgan, it it it was a joke. Last night, we talked about hyper liquid extensively, and then c Casa bored me with Landy talking about micro strategy. It it was
[0:52:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: a joke. Calm down, people.
[0:52:39] Voice C: Well, thank god. As long as I don't have to send anyone pictures of my boobs for alpha, I think we're all good.
[0:52:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. No. No. That is not... We don't we don't gatekeep in that way. But funny enough, we actually did talk about What? About KOLs
[0:52:53] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: ask me
[0:52:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: for boob.
[0:52:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: Influencers during some portion of
[0:52:58] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: the conversation last forgot. We spent
[0:53:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: an hour related. Yeah. Directly related to what Morgan is talking about. And one of the one of the problems that we were talking about and one of the solutions that we talked about is literally what Morgan is here talking about with us today, which is crazy. What a confluence. Because I didn't even look. I was just like, oh, okay. Cool. 10:09 o's coming over. That's gonna be the space tomorrow. Didn't even go and look yet. I was like, yeah. I'm gonna wait to hear what's going on, and then I'll go over and I'll take a look. And it's literally the solution to the things that we were talking about our problems.
[0:53:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, it's not that random. I'm consistently bitching about problematic co... KOLs, Like, a day that ends in y.
[0:53:42] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: And you're our new weather girl.
[0:53:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's true.
[0:53:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know, he said... I'm not touching that. I did not laugh at that. Empress, I did not laugh at that. I was... That is not funny, Metabee. That is
[0:53:54] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: really fucking hilarious. Oh, god.
[0:53:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Morgan, you're welcome to... Anything else that you can... That that you wanna share on the tunnel side. Guys, I put my referral link up at the top. Those of you that sign up and you don't use my referral link, I will... I'll find you. Okay? Use the referral link at the top. I might have been a little bit late. Shout out, Omilid. Thank you very much. But, yes, referral link is at the top. Please sign up. Go check it out. Create a profile. Morgan, anything else that you wanna maybe kinda share with the crew here? This has been amazing, man, and I I really can't thank you enough for coming through because this is real alpha for people, man. This is real money that people can generally put in their pockets, like, in forty eight hours. So, I mean, anything else you wanna add, bro?
[0:54:41] Voice C: I would say just join the Telegram group. Just tunnel_io. So t.me/tunnelio. So they... That... You'll find that link also in the app. So if you just log in app.tunnel.io, you can go there. It'll be in the sidebar, but that Telegram group is the best way to get in touch with me and anybody else from the team. We're still super actively building. Like, the project's going really well. 200 k and rewards paid out, but, man, we're building every single day, and we'd love to get feedback from our community. So get in touch with me there. Would love to see y'all. Yeah.
[0:55:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Amazing, dude. Morgan, you are more than welcome to stay with this band, The Misfits, as we cover maybe some of the rest of the crypto news that we had going on for the rest of the, for the rest of the day, man. But, genuinely, man, thank you so much for coming through. This was this was incredible, man. And the best of luck. And, look, we're gonna be in touch. We will definitely be in touch because I genuinely wanna help funnel a ton of brands to your platform because I love, like, I love the way you have this whole thing set up, genuinely. So appreciate you,
[0:55:39] Voice C: man. For real. Appreciate the invite.
[0:55:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: All day. All day. All day. Cool. I was ahead of you on this one. I finally get to live on that. I'm dying on this hill. Okay? I was first. Alright? Me and Landy don't have to fight over. Who's gonna get the final wall chain quack? Fuck it. Alright? No. And cool. You do not buy another house until we use that money to help promote ATC, right, on the tunnel platform. That's what we're gonna do when it rolls out. So no more houses until we we promote ATC and... Yeah. Alright. Sweet. Alright. Let's fucking go. Good shit. Alright. Let's get into it. Landy, talk to me about fucking crypto week that literally shit the bed, completely, and what the fuck is up with congress, bro? Like, what's going on? Oh, am I gonna be able to buy cheaper Bitcoin, or am I... Should I be loading up here $1.60?
[0:56:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Rokana is... Rokana is being a a political operative. And quite honestly, he's doing it in a smart way. He decided to attach the the release of the Epstein files or any available Epstein files within thirty days to the Genius Act so that they would vote the amendment down. And then, and then, basically, Democrats decided to filibuster the entire agenda because Trump is out
[0:56:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're not real. This... Are you being serious?
[0:56:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: 100% serious. You can fact check that.
[0:57:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Shut the floor. So Oh my and
[0:57:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: it was... And and and if you actually look at some of the floor arguments, they're like, look. If you want to propose this as a separate bill, we will we will accept it as a separate... It was a separate offering. Do not try to tack it onto this one. It has nothing to do with the Genius Act. To which he said, nope. I withdraw, and you withdrew the whole thing. So... I mean, look. I I don't... It... This is... It's bread and circus. Sorry, bread. I see you there. But it's... It is literally just a whole big clusterfuck, and and they're going to take any advantage that they possibly can to hold up the agenda. And quite honestly, I think that that those in the Democrat party that are gonna hold up this side of the agenda on crypto are damaging themselves because there's a lot of pro crypto Democrats now. And there's some of those same Democrats are the ones who helped craft this legislation with, some of the top Republican leadership that is pro crypto. So I think I think that the rest of this week, I I believe it should be going to committee. And there's probably going to be some arguments and some changes made to certain specific areas of these bills, but I don't foresee. And I never was looking at this week as being the week that this was all gonna get hammered out and pushed through. I think this is more of the introduction to this is the big agenda push in congress now post, the bill that was just passed, right, the the reconciliation bill. So this is, like, the next big agenda for the Trump administration. And you notice what three they are. You notice what is missing from the three? The Bitcoin Act. Right? And there's a very good reason why. Because that... I think they wanna get this done, get the Bitcoin act pushed through because then they can deal with the major part within the Bitcoin act that I think some of the banking sector lobbyists might not want to see happen. And that is if you go and look at the current iteration of the Bitcoin act, page 15 down, you will see that it is, the treasury will be taking back as part of the passage of that bill, would be taking back, gold certificates from the Federal Reserve, revaluing them at fair market value, and then giving them back the dollar amount in certificates. So if it's 11,000,000,000, they're gonna take those 11,000,000,000. They are going to revalue them at somewhere around 950 to $1,000,000,000,000 and then give back the certificates that are worth... Or enough certificates to be worth 11,000,000,000. Right? And, honestly, that's fair if they do it. I... There is some resistance to that. So I think that there's gonna be some kind of finagling that happens as part of that bill, and I think it's gonna come a little bit later. It would be a surprise if they popped it up during the discussions around this stuff, you know, the Genius Act, Clarity Act, so on and so forth. So I I would consider that a surprise. I think that they wanna also give the treasury secretary time to work on the budget neutral accumulation plan. I suspect that they're actually accumulating. Now this has not been proven out. There's a lot of people that are on the hunt for possible buys... Budget neutral buys coming from the treasury. But because of the way that the treasury publishes their numbers, it's hard to kinda figure out if they're actually doing it, which I think is perfect. You don't wanna announce like, hey. We're gonna buy, you know, $5,000,000,000 in Bitcoin today, budget neutral because we found this pile of money over here, or we're gonna reallocate that. That makes no sense to do that. So, I think that they're gonna be buying time for the administration's secretary, Scott Bassett, to actually have his team do some budget neutral accumulation even before the big... Bitcoin Act passes because that's likely gonna cause, you know, some some turbulence in the market to the upside even though it doesn't have a regular cadence of buys. So my timetable for this stuff that I've seen, and that I'm looking at personally and just anecdotally is somewhere towards the end of this month, early next month that they actually get this done for this kind of crypto focused package of bills. And and I have a question
[1:01:37] Kool @koolcryptovc: for you, man. Because there's a there's a lot of noise about Joe Powell, you know, resigning.
[1:01:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Do you think he leaves and he thinks it's a good idea for him to leave? What do you think?
[1:01:45] Kool @koolcryptovc: Because this rate cut thing has been hanging over our head for for a very long time. And what what do you think about, you know, Joe Powell? Do you think he's gonna leave, or or you think might just, you know, stick it out? Because, man, Trump is putting pressure on his due, man, to cut this rates. I don't I don't... I'm... It's not a feature. I don't even know if... Well, I don't even know, man. The the market's wrecked. Everything's wrecked. But what what do you think about Jerome Powell and him resigning in Spain?
[1:02:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: I don't foresee him resigning unless they really do start to drag him through a full on investigation for the Federal Reserve building, $2,500,000,000 rent... Renovations because he did lie to congress about that. And that that is is something that they could get him on. I think they're gonna use that as pressure if he does wanna stay in. Hey. At least work with us. Let us get this wrangled because they they really just wanna bring down those those those interest payments at the end of the day. Right? That's really what the goal is because it takes a whole lot of spending off the board to the tune of... You know, over the course of... There's there's estimates that are kinda all over the place, but to the tune of, you know, a savings of about 1,000,000,000,000 or $2,000,000,000,000 depending on how far the cuts could potentially go. I think that Powell's gonna stay, and I think that Powell will be very comfortable. And I think this is also a little bit of play as well against the Republicans, and it's smart. It's it's smart and tactical and strategic, is to...
[1:03:15] Bread @_ToastMalone: Did I rug?
[1:03:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Maybe. Yeah. You definitely rugged.
[1:03:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. But I think that it's a strategic play because I think Powell would be comfortable cutting rates in an environment where the genius act is passed because I've mentioned this so many times that it it... It's another vector for bond demand, and that vector then doesn't fall on the the actual, you know, the the the Fed as the buyer of last resort because now you have a vector of new demand for bonds for stablecoin issuance. I think he'd feel a lot more comfortable doing that, and that's one of the reasons why I believe he might have been expecting when he made comments about we might look at cutting later this month. I think that that's part of, like, if the genius act is passed because that's kind of an ace in the hole can cover his ass really nicely, and then they don't have to be as worried immediately about inflationary pressures from balance sheet expansion or quantitative easing because you have another vector for those bonds. You don't have to print out a thin air to do it. Banks can roll over to do it and then spend to do it themselves with already available capital and already available assets on their sheet. So that is kind of my view of it. But, realistically, I think Powell's gonna start cutting, and this would be considered cutting in an... Beautiful... Beautifully put on a space that I was on yesterday, and I can't remember who to credit, but they had mentioned, like, you know, you either cut in times of of turmoil, right, because something's broken. So they start cutting, cutting, cutting, or you can cut in a normal environment. And I think that this would be more of a normalized environment. Economy is not that crazy bad or anything like that, and it's been improving pretty consistently.
[1:05:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: But, Landy, I thought Trump was asking him to cut three points. Yeah. It ain't happening. Three points.
[1:05:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's not happening.
[1:05:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, that's what I'm saying. At least ask for something, like, reasonable.
[1:05:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. But you you know, he's a he's a real estate guy. Right? So when he's going in for deals with China, what did he do? Here's 435% tariffs, and then now they come down to a reasonable number. Right? And I think that that's part of the way that he's approaching it in the public eye. So... And a win is a win. So if he can make it stretched as far out in terms of of, bloviating, what is the, you know, hyping it up in terms of what he wants to see in comparison to other countries, because he's done the math. The math actually works for how much it would save. But it's... He not get... He doesn't he doesn't actually... You know, he's getting the numbers from Basant and his team. The math works, but he's not gonna get that. I'm sorry. I don't see them cutting that deep. There's no reason for But even if
[1:06:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: he gets... Let let me ask you a question. If he gets one... If if if it's a full basis point cut... So get a quarter point, a half point, markets go crazy. If if they cut one full point, where do the markets go, Lindy?
[1:06:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, if they cut one full point, the markets could potentially see volatility, and I would not be able to tell you if it's to the upside or downside because what is what is on the back of that? Do we have a genius act? If you cut a a full basis point off of that, does demand dry up? And then they have to move into printing, then creates an environment of of inflation again, of steady inflation. So that... That's where, you know, there's not really a clear answer to that. We are in a very different environment than the last time that we had massive cuts by a 100 basis points or more. Right? And that was all the way back in 2020. Yes. We've had cuts since after the raise of rates, but they've been methodical. And, yes, maybe a little tactically timed for the election, but even then, I I think that we could potentially see a very volatile market that then has to recover later. And I think, really, what's on Jerome's mind is the inflation metric at the end of the day, and it's just about balancing that. I don't think he cares about anything else. It's just about inflation now.
[1:07:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: You really don't think that if they cut one basis point, this market doesn't go fucking flying through the roof, and we don't see Bitcoin go to a 150,000?
[1:07:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: I think that we are on track no matter what, whether he cuts or not, if we start closing above a $128,000 for Bitcoin on major time frames like a monthly. I think that that's a foregone conclusion. The risk environment and the amount of money that's already in the system is not going anywhere. It's either going to be parked or put back into the system, and we've seen that risk environment being put back into the system in a very big way. I don't know. I mean, the effect on dollar dominance goes down. You know, Dixie will start to dump out, which actually benefits exporters and increases or or or increases exports or decreases the the actual trade deficit. So there's there's all kinds of factors at play here that until it happens, I wouldn't be able to tell you what my outlook would be on price. I can tell you that I'd be tentatively bullish, but I'd be aware that they could result in bad things because if we start to see inflation rise, it could be temporarily bullish.
[1:08:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. And current environment now, congress obviously chips to bed this week. Do they get this done? When do they get this done? And do we... What's the anticipation for, like, markets currently sideways? Like, what do... What what are we anticipating?
[1:09:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: I see this this package of bills likely... I would I would forecast based on my best knowledge, was already slated for them to try and push through by the end of the month, like, last week of the month, early next month before recess. And then, where's market gonna go? I mean, obviously, Bitcoin's correcting on the daily, but just slightly after putting in a brand new all time high. There's nothing wrong with structure. Macro structure looks great. We just had a breakout on a weekly. Retests are fine. Give it some time.
[1:09:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fair enough. Alright. Let me see what's up to Samar. Thank you, Lindy. Great great fucking breakdown. Samar, what's good?
[1:09:53] Voice K: Hey, Jim, Jim, guys. Jim, Dave. Jim, Landy. Jim, Emperor, Sunny d...........
[1:10:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Appreciate you, bro. I'm gonna do a full breakdown of this space, by the way, Samara, because you are definitely someone that I do not want to obviously miss on everything that Morgan shared with Tunnel. Samar, just FYI, I literally claimed two deals in the past twenty four hours. One for 70 USDC and another for 77 USDC. And, bro, it's a forty eight hour fucking window, bro. Tell me, bro, tell me where you're make money like that. We can create posts in our sleep for these guys, literally in our fucking sleep. I don't need no AI slop. No nothing. I talk from experience, bro. It just so happened that the folks finance guys were the ones that that the... That put out the actual bounty. Bro, it's, bro, this is shooting fish in a barrel. Morgan has made it so simple, dude. So, Samara, I'm really looking forward to you obviously going back, listening to this space, and getting your honest feedback. And, Morgan, Samara is definitely a follow that you wanna have a 100,000. Trust me when I tell you this. My man literally was in the spaces with us. Like, we were yelling at the wall chain guys, yelling at the fucking... Like, everybody in the info phi space to be like, listen to what this dude is telling us right here. Okay? He was literally being like, enough with trying to figure out what the algorithm is. Samara, this shit figure... This this should simplify so much shit, bro. So I'm really looking forward to getting your feedback on him, man. Good stuff. What else, guys? Empress, what happened on hyperliquids today? Seriously, with Kinetic. Like, what... What's the deal? Like, it was a shit show. I saw something that, like, you've put in the chat. What happened in all seriousness? Like, good, bad, otherwise, what's the deal?
[1:11:35] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: No. It was... I was fine. It it turned out that
[1:11:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not you. I'm just saying what happened?
[1:11:42] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Nothing. It just turned out that that protocol had...
[1:11:44] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You made it sound like something happened, though.
[1:11:46] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Well, I don't know, Metabiz. It's something did happen, but I don't answer to you, and I haven't checked the weather. Maybe you should pipe the fuck down.
[1:11:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah, Metabee. It's 05:00 somewhere over here. No.
[1:12:01] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Disproportionate problem in the space with men going after women when they got issues with other men. It's bothersome to me. Anyhoo
[1:12:08] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I have issues with everybody, but that's okay.
[1:12:10] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: We'll target them then. That's why
[1:12:12] Bread @_ToastMalone: I have issues only with empress.
[1:12:13] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Thank god. I like to be, like, unique at least in general.
[1:12:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's all about you all the time.
[1:12:21] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: See what I mean? He's just coming from my throat, Dave, even in the chat. Like, could you
[1:12:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: get a handle on the bitch?... Up.
[1:12:27] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Then I'll call his guys out if I need to....
[1:12:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: It up. Yeah. Back it up. Bitches... Sorry. Go ahead, Empress.
[1:12:35] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: It turned out HyperFi had early access to some of the marketing protocol or marketing pool or something for the Mint. So... Which is why HyperFi is an amazing play in general. It seems to gone on... Gone off without a hitch, the whole k like... K hype thing. People are just doing the whole looping, borrowing, lending, whatever else. Pretty chill otherwise over there, I think. Landy, same sentiment?
[1:13:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I could see.
[1:13:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. Yeah. It's it's actually working as advertised. So that is good to see as it turns out if you read my comments in the chat when I was a little when it was a little questionable there for a little bit.
[1:13:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. What else do we miss? Cool. What do you got cooking? You've been quiet the last couple days, bro. That means that you're either house shopping or something's going on. What's the deal? What's what's news with you? What's what's cooking?
[1:13:31] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. Nothing nothing from my side. No. No. We set... We're... I'm settled now. No no house shopping for now for now. But now we could we could we could we could settle settle in, you know, move... Moved settled, but nothing nothing pop up enough. Right now for me,
[1:13:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm just... Like I
[1:13:46] Kool @koolcryptovc: said, it's interacting new protocols and trying trying to get ahead of the next next wave coming. The markets... I'm interested in the markets where we're going from here. A lot of weird things happening. Bitcoin broke those numbers and barely any news from TradFi. I I saw last cycle or four years ago when Bitcoin broke altamide the the first time or maybe the second time, there was... They dedicated... I I actually timed it. They spent almost eight hours of the whole day talk... Talking about crypto, and we crashed, like, two, three weeks later. But this time around, man, like, no worse. Like, this morning, I was in the gym, and I saw, the... What that, CNBC, whatever. I can't remember name of the show. Came on. They spoke about Bitcoin for three minutes, two minutes. That was it. And that's how you know that we're going a lot a lot higher because the moment these big money banks don't talk about crypto, they wanna buy and basically dominate the markets until they start to allow the the to get in. But I did see news yesterday on my other show, was pretty crazy, which was, they're gonna allow banks to custody crypto. So this is what we... We'll be saying for for months and months and months. Banks eventually, they would try to take our crypto from us and charge us for holding our cryptos, and that's that's how they're gonna make their money. And it's it's it's gonna be very weird, mate, to see what happens with, you know, with the whole self self custody thing. And, but like I said, either way, it's gonna happen. There's gonna be a day when we, maybe not me, but a lot a lot of people would buy their cryptos and send it to their bank, and their bank charges them to order cryptos for them, which is crazy. But... Yeah. But... Yeah. Apart from that, bro, I'm just watching the markets, man.
[1:15:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Yeah. Lindy, go for it, bro. Good shit. Cool. Thanks for the update, man.
[1:15:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna be a little bit of a a counter narrative to to one specific point that that, Cole brought up. I think that they would be kneecapping themselves if they were going to charge for any crypto accounts that that are being held at a banking institution because at some point, what they're gonna need to do is they're gonna need to push their stable coins out there, and they're gonna have to offset with yield even if there is, like, a $10 charge or something like that. They'll wipe that away, Or they'll have to compete with these other banking institutions because they're gonna have their own stablecoins. Jamie Diamond's now out there talking about how he's all in on on stablecoins specifically. Obviously, we know about JPMD, and we know what the real vector is, behind that as well. It's not long before they get involved in the Bitcoin side of things or are already getting involved through various subsidiaries. Right? Which they are. They're already involved. But point being is they are going to have to compete to get their stables used. So what you're likely gonna see is incentivization to go and use their bank and their stable and utilize them for your crypto. So they're gonna need to attract those customers. I would I would say that I would see... I see them making money by bringing that in, having you stake for yield or lock up for yield much in the same way. They're gonna offer these as different products. And one of the things that they're working on and hiring advisers from the outside for at this particular moment, is that they're looking at ways for how they could pitch this to somebody that is not a crypto native and how they can improve UI UX for online banking so that these things are just like, hey. Is this the liquid staking version of this thing? Hey. That's weird. That keeps coming up. Liquid staking. But you know what I'm saying. Right? They need ways to rehypothecate when they're one to one backed through treasuries. So they're looking at ways in which you can still utilize and earn, and they can advertise it to their customer base. It's going to go to institutions first, and then it's gonna start rolling out to retail. There's a lot of primitive MVPs on the back ends that are being worked on, and there's a whole host of people who are advising them at this particular moment on the best way to do it. And I think that that if you do start seeing them charged to hold your crypto or custody your crypto at the bank, what you're likely going to see is those banks will not be the preferred banks. Someone will come and eat their damn lunch.
[1:18:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know what I thought was funny? I thought when I saw Jamie... I saw Jim Kramer saying that Jamie Dimon going all in on crypto, I was like, that's fucking it. I've officially seen it all. It has officially come full fucking circle. Like, cool, Landy. Like, I'm not even joking, man. Like, I saw that headline, and I'm like, this has to... Like, this had... This this is a joke. But if you're not paying attention every day, right, like, you're... Like like like, we... Like us psychos are, You don't... You're none the wiser. You're like, oh, Jamie Dimon, Chase. Oh, super innovative. Like, they're going all in on crypto. Super smart. Dave. Like, crazy.
[1:19:02] Landy @CryptoLandy: Dave, you are now having the... You're seeing it go full circle. What I was looking at when I watched Michael Saylor turn from a fucking Bitcoin guy into a Bitcoin Maxi over fucking night in 2020. Overnight. It was like a switch just flipped. Like, oh, I read a book, and I went and I did my research, and now I'm a Bitcoin back. Literally, the week before he did that, he was shitting on it. He was shitting on it. And I was like, this this is insane. This is this is absolute insanity. I have seen everything. But then we stay around long enough and we see everybody flip. Then all the meme coiners and all... Everybody and every platform is like, I'm a Bitcoiner now too. And then the treasury companies will come and eat all the Bitcoin up and crash the entire market so that we could finally get our Bitcoin again. That's how it's gonna go. We're gonna see this in cycles. Who's the next one? We've got Jamie Dimon. He's starting to flip. We saw Larry. Larry flipped. Remember, we were all talking about it at the time. When is... He's not gonna do it. Is he gonna do it? It looks like he's gonna do it. Oh, shit. The move's behind the scenes saying he's gonna do it. They filed. It's approved. Here we go. Yeah. So we're... Yeah. This is gonna be a consistent thing. I'm waiting waiting for the Rothschilds to get into it. No.
[1:20:28] Kool @koolcryptovc: No. It's it's it's it's the game, man. It's it's... You know, like, for example, now, but Blackrock got got the ETF within a year. Grayscale fouled ten years ago. Ten fucking years ago. That's not long. It it it... No joke. Like, ten years ago, even the guys from from from Gemini also trying to get the ETF almost ten years ago. So they know the game. The game is governments and big money bags, banks, they are in bed together. They they always get what they want. They don't want anyone else to get get into this new new this new thing. But now that they're in it, they're just gonna... Like I said before, like, Bitcoin broke all time high, and and CNBC or MSC or say whatever NBC, whatever it was. Right? They spent three minutes on talking about this shit. Wow. Four years ago, I I will never forget it. It was almost eight hours just straight of crypto, and I was like, yo. What's going on? And that's how you... That's that's that's when I learned, oh, they want they want exit liquidity. They're about to crash this market, dump on everybody, right, and buy back again. That's exactly what happened. That's why I'm like, the numbers are going a lot higher, guys, because, man, they're... Like, there's no word about about, I mean, not no word. Like, the the noise is very, mutes. Every time Bitcoin breaks all time high now, the noise mute, man. I don't... My phone's not ringing. My friend's not calling about crypto. I'm I'm not getting... I'm not seeing it, man. I'm not seeing the hype, and I think they don't want the hype because they want to buy this thing before they let regular degens get it. But it's just it's just... The game is the game, man.
[1:22:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Cool. That was my first thought today when I saw, like, congress knocks down this. I saw totally... They were, like, 210 Democrats and 13 Republicans voted against it. And I'm like, this is some bull... Like, who's paying off who to either keep the price of Bitcoin down at this point? But, like, overnight like this, like, you don't have the support that this shit had. And then all of a sudden overnight, it's just like, oh, 13 Republicans voted against it? Come on, man. Like, you know, it's like I was in Alex Danske's space earlier, and she's like, the economy will only be as good as the people that you elect to fucking run it. That's that's real... This is really what this shit comes down to. Right? Like, if we're gonna continue to elect fucking people that are gonna take money from special interests over and over, the Elizabeth Warrens of the fucking world, the fucking Chuck Schumers and all this shit. I'm not saying this is not partisan in any way whatsoever. I'm just saying in general, but, like, come on. Like, this is this is crazy talking. Just watching it unfold.
[1:23:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: I patched McKinnon
[1:23:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: would like to have
[1:23:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: a word. He likes to make out on them stocks
[1:23:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: as well. Yeah. God bless Nancy fucking Pelosi, bro. Like, that portfolio is doing fucking killer numbers. Absolutely killer. But, hey, it is what it is. Five minutes. Anything else we got that we maybe didn't cover, guys, in the last five? Like, let me know if something come across your timeline
[1:23:29] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Has or anything? Have people heard of Uphold?
[1:23:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. We have.
[1:23:34] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Alright. I would like to know opinions, thoughts, whatnot.
[1:23:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not not a fan. Not a fan Uphold....
[1:23:42] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Like a Coinbase. However, it does not discriminate against where you are located, such as The US, and you are still able to trade tokens that you might not usually be able to. Is that correct or no?
[1:23:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't know. All I can speak about is from my experience with them. I tried to help a friend out one time and the fucking customer service and trying to figure their shit out was absolutely damn near fucking impossible to try and understand, like, what, like, you know, like, how how to make sense of, like, a and b. It should be simple processes in terms of, like, like, an actual wallet because they're not a typical web three wallet. Right? Like, that's not, like, genuinely, like, what they are, but I don't know. My experience generally wasn't the best with them, but I don't wanna pigeonhole them. But if anybody else has any other experience, feel free to, you know, share if you want.
[1:24:31] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: It's it's just something I learned about recently. I had never heard of them. And
[1:24:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: my... Well You know what's funny about it?
[1:24:38] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You know
[1:24:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: what's funny? Is yesterday when I went to dinner with my nephew, we got into an Uber. And every time I get into an Uber or Lyft or whatever, I always tell them about, like, you know, the newest, like, d Pin project or, like, I tell them about Demo or HiveMapper or whatever just to kinda, like, make their day. Right? Just be like, look. If you're driving around, go get this shit. As And I was telling him, he... I was like, you know, like, but you get crypto. Like, are you familiar with crypto at all? He was like, I have an Uphold account. And that right there to me said a lot because it was like, okay. Maybe Uphold is kinda like a little bit of the mainstream thing in a way. I don't know how he got it or whatever. It was a five minute cab ride, but maybe it's a thing. I don't know. So... Yeah. I guess we'll see.
[1:25:14] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's that's what I was told was one of the key things is that they don't care that you're in The US. If it's banned in The US, so to speak, you can still make a trade.
[1:25:28] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. I guess Landy.
[1:25:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah, Landy. Go for it.
[1:25:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: I have a piece of news. I think you'll find it riveting. In fact Dude. It is just up into the right right now, and it's doing exactly what I stated it was going to do yesterday, and that is the pump token. So what did they do?
[1:25:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I wasn't gonna What did they do do? 1,200,000,000 in volume. I saw it, bro. What did they do? Actually, what's in fucking...
[1:25:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: They bought utilizing their dry powder, and they are pumping their own token. So you know that this is definitely gonna be sustainable and totally worth it for everybody that got... Look. I I I, of course, have been providing a little bit of liquidity over there and trying to eat off of those same fees. So I was happy to see that they finally broke the range and I could readjust my pools. But, yeah, this is likely gonna be the path that they are gonna take. They're gonna utilize the dry powder that they took in to pump the ever loving shit out of this thing and force it to become a top meme? A utility? I don't even know what you could call it.
[1:26:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Lendi, 1,200,000,000 in twenty four hour volume is more than the dry powder than they took in, bro.
[1:26:46] Landy @CryptoLandy: Of course.
[1:26:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't know. But are they announcing somebody No. No. I I
[1:26:50] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: saw they sent
[1:26:51] Kool @koolcryptovc: they sent almost 700,000,000 to to Winsomew yesterday. A large amount of support. Yeah, man. Yesterday.
[1:27:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Market making.
[1:27:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: Market
[1:27:01] Kool @koolcryptovc: making. Yeah. Exactly. So you were... I mean, the... They are they are gonna pump this thing, but like I said before, to what? Are you... What what? Two x, three x? But I... Our our... This movie we've seen before, it's gonna be a slowly down while they make all that money from it, man. That's what I think.
[1:27:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I agree too. But the big thing, though, that you have to understand is the amount of volume that they're doing is the volume for the pair. So it is technically half when you're looking at the volume based on the...
[1:27:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: They have so many pairs. Well... They have so many pairs.
[1:27:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: They they also have a lot of liquidity pools that they seeded on all the major exchanges, all the tier one exchanges. So they've ensured that they can keep this going for as long as they possibly can. And this is the path much like I suspected and kinda floated yesterday, we talked about yesterday is that it... It's not gonna be a straight plummet. It's going to be something that's going to continue to hang and likely go up, and they're going to market make it to the upside. I mean, what little pressure they have is all based on what they drop out there, right, and whoever's taking profits. And at this point, all they have to do is sit back and eat off of fees. They know this game. They've done it for a year, a year and a half. Right? They know how to eat off fees. They don't need to even sell the token to eat off fees. They they could, if they wanna take chunks, but why do not... When you can keep the the fees the fee wheel just going and going and going and going, and then you can goose it, and you can have, you know, market makers go into price discovery to the upside, and that's likely where they're pushing to now. We'll see. We'll see how sustainable it is. And they they actually do need Bitcoin to cooperate because if Bitcoin dumps out and corrects hard from here, then they're at risk of just throwing money away because the rest of the market will turn and as soon as every... They'll get overwhelmed with the profit takers. There's... I don't care how much market making you're doing. You have to move with the market. And they... And if they try to force it, they'll lose money. So, you know, I'm waiting to see if they bring it back to a range where it can become a nice little liquidity range. There's ways to eat. I'm not saying that people get into this thing. It's just an observation of the tactics that they're using and how they're doing it. And I've mentioned before that this is likely gonna determine whether they succeed and stick around in this market for a longer period of time or if they die off and become irrelevant by next cycle. And I think...
[1:29:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: You wanna know what... Mandy, you wanna know what... Somebody once told me that the old saying when somebody shows you who they are, fucking believe them. Yes. Believe them when they show you, bro. Like, I'm sorry. There's no second chances out here. Get out here. Like, they're they're like, they're crazy, man.
[1:29:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: Second chances for them. I think that they just wanna keep the money wheel going for as long as possible.
[1:30:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: A 100%. A 100%. You're a 100% right. A 100%. They... And they'll do it all. Because 700,000,000 is not enough. Right? So we gotta hit the Billy club. That's what they're probably saying to themselves. 700,000,000 is not enough. God forbid. We don't need that. We need we need more. More and more and
[1:30:15] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: more and more and more. I have a trivia question for
[1:30:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: the panel. Yeah.
[1:30:19] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Which two Bitcoin forks lasted six months or less?
[1:30:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: That's a lengthy question right there. Shit. I don't... Thinking about pump fund, my brain is mushed, so you'd have to actually tell me on
[1:30:33] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: that one.
[1:30:37] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Bitcoin diamond coin... Bitcoin diamond and Bitcoin god.
[1:30:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's right. And Bitcoin god?
[1:30:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, yeah. Those fucking two. Yeah. Because every time they forked off a Bitcoin, coin, you would get another wallet, and then they were easy just to go in, log in. You always got airdrops, you just sell it and make a little bit of money, put it back into bit coin. Those were those were so irrelevant. Holy shit, man. That is a blast from the past, brother. Holy crap.
[1:31:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: And, yo, hey. Elon's brother, I see you're requesting up, but, unfortunately, you know, it's the end of the show. So we're gonna have to get... We're gonna have to close this one out. So, you know, as crazy as this might be, this might be a crazy move. I might really go to regret this one, Elon's brother. But sorry, man. But, guys, amazing stuff. I'm gonna get back over here. I gotta go have... I'm having dinners, fun time with the little kiddos. But... Yeah. Cool, Landy. Appreciate you. Empress is always vibes. Thank you, Samar. Thanks for coming through. Sunny d. Morgan, I am in your DMs, my man. Thank you so much genuinely for coming through and putting us on to everything Tunnel is building. But I wish you genuinely, like, the best of luck from me and this whole crew over here, man. We wanna see your platform flourish, dude. And... Yeah. Amazing. And, Metabeast, thank you for coming and bracing us with your presence today. You are loved. Have a good night, everybody. Peace.
[1:31:57] Voice C: Peace out. Bye.
[1:32:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: I thought Morgan was just gonna...
[1:32:02] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let's go fucking. Let's go fucking.
[1:32:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: I thought Morgan... Oh, god. You still must have put... I missed
[1:32:07] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. You still time. Do it.
[1:32:13] Bread @_ToastMalone: Nope.