All Things Crypto: WTF is an InFofly Wheel? You Gon Learn Today!

# All Things Crypto: WTF is an InFofly Wheel? You Gon Learn Today! | 2025-08-18 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1lPJqvrWLEnxb | status: approved
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[0:00:11] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yo. What's up?
[0:00:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: What's up,? What's good? Wait a minute. Is that... My god. Crypt titties in the house. Yo. Crypt titties, long time no see, bro. Amazing. Let's go. Love that. Got a special guest. Cliff is coming. Let me get some music got going over here, man. We need some tunes. Cliff, what's up? How are you, man? Hey. I'm doing well. How are you? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. We're gonna get started in just a few. I'm gonna wait for the crew to show up and throw tunes on for a little bit. So hang out for a little... For a few, and then, yeah, we're gonna get started in just a couple minutes.
[0:00:51] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Sounds good.
[0:00:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Alright. Let me get some... Any any musical requests?
[0:00:57] Landy @CryptoLandy: Let me see.
[0:00:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let me see what I got cooking over here. Where's empress when I need her? Let me see. Oh, it's still going. Not bad. I like this one.
[0:01:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Come on now.
[0:01:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Where is everybody? Alright. Let's go. Let me start adding everybody up.
[0:01:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Uh-oh. Okay. Here we go. I gotta skip for a hot second. I gotta skip for a hot second.
[0:01:34] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: For a
[0:01:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: hot second.
[0:01:35] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I was gonna send you something too. Damn it.
[0:01:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hurry up. Send it. Send it. What are you... What is it? Send it. Go. I don't know why my YouTube mishears. What the hell is going on? This is crazy. Alright. Send it over. Let me see what you got. Cools up here. Guys, like, share, retweet this space out. Let's go. We got Yeah.
[0:02:00] Kool @koolcryptovc: I heard and Frisco, like, three three hundred k airdrop from Hyperliquid. She she needs to do some donations for the for the sea.
[0:02:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Sweet. And do you... You're making donations? I like that. I love donations. She's like, shut up. I'm looking at the song.
[0:02:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Okay. Do I just grab some music at this point? Because I feel like everybody's already here.
[0:02:24] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Can't read it anyway. Music. I don't know. I sent you crap.
[0:02:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: You did send me something? You sent me crap?
[0:02:30] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. Because I grabbed the
[0:02:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: first thing.
[0:02:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I don't why my laptop is just not connecting to the Internet now, but my phone is. So maybe we're just gonna scratch the music for today. Yep. It's kinda what we do. We play on the fly. So it is what it is. Yeah. I don't know why my my laptop is literally not connected to the Internet. But, anyways, what's good, everybody? I hope everyone's well. Yeah. It's already three minutes after. Fuck Welcome to ATC, guys. Happy Monday. Hope everybody is good. I had a great weekend. Cooked a lot over the weekend. Spent some time in spaces. We helped a bunch of people out. Bunch of people helped me out. Cool. We were out... Yeah. Yemi and and that crew, man, they... They're they're good people, bro. Like, I'm glad you you put me on to them. They're they're they're so funny. They're they're hella hard workers. And... Yeah, man. I'm just super glad I got a chance to meet the... To to meet those guys. I started adding them to the ATC chat, but, yeah, it's been a crazy weekend, but we got a lot to get into today. There's so much stuff. I know Nat Nat said she's gonna
[0:03:41] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Did he rag? No.
[0:03:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. No. No. It's just my alarm. Just my alarm. Sorry. My alarm went off just in case.
[0:03:49] Kool @koolcryptovc: You know what
[0:03:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean? So... No. No. I didn't. I I didn't rag. And I've been, you know, I've been cooking on Tunnel, and you get to meet amazing different projects on Tunnel. And we got one of them here with us today. So let's kinda go around and just say what's up. But cool. What's good, bro?
[0:04:05] Kool @koolcryptovc: Hi. What's my guess? Happy Monday. Hope you guys doing well. Hope you guys had a had a great weekend, we're we're ready for the show, man. Let's go. Let's do it.
[0:04:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Yeah. Emp, what's cooking?
[0:04:17] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: People are hard to work for. Otherwise, we're good. We're good. Mhmm.
[0:04:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Welcome welcome to Web three. Welcome to crypto. Welcome to CT of Web three. That's a fact. Levy, what's up, puppet? Hurry up. Move those legs.
[0:04:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: Sorry. It took me a little while to get here. I was chasing you down. But, yeah, it turns out that if you don't work for anyone, you don't have anything to worry about. So that's all the advice I have.
[0:04:45] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Just don't work for anything. More money than god. Some of us still have to work for a living.
[0:04:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: She never said those. That is a lie. Listen. Just... All you gotta do is learn how to short the markets. Constantly short the market. No. I'm just kidding. It's a it's a joke, the short the markets thing. Anyway, yeah, just, you know, watching markets, doing all that good stuff. Here to to learn a little bit about our guest today.
[0:05:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nice. And, Landy, bro, it it always happens this way. I got lick... I got liquidated on my on my leverage long via... On on Avantis. I kept it open. Cool, bro. $5, bro. $5 on my eth long, bro. $5 with the range. Come on, man. Get out of here. Gonna put another one on because I I generally do believe it. But for the d gens that are not that are not doing leverage positions, I'm gonna introduce y'all to Cliff and the reteam in just a second. But let me say what's up to Metabeast. Metabeast, what's good?
[0:05:44] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Hello. Hello, everyone. Hope you're all well. When you are a god, how can you have more money than god?
[0:05:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's a very good question.
[0:05:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: It means infinite value
[0:05:56] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: and spiritual. But anyway... And... Yes, empress, people are exhausting. That's exactly what the emotional support mannequin was made for. But I made about maybe $10 exploring and diving into longs and shorts for the first time using hyper liquid. Oh, whoo. I had wonderful exhausting fights with AI over the weekend and continue to. And, yeah, that's about it, I think. Happy Monday.
[0:06:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Happy Monday. Let's go. And I was gonna put a smile on our faces. How about that? Let's go, meta beast. I like that, bro. Come on now.
[0:06:41] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Love it. And if you need... The splash app works really well if you want ease of use because I suck at perks. So if you want a referral link to that, I can put it down in the comments,.
[0:06:52] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: If it will help me, I'll definitely take a look and put it to use.
[0:06:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. I love it., welcome.
[0:07:03] Kkoma @itskkoma: Hey. Is my mic okay? I know yesterday was a little hazy,
[0:07:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: but... Yeah. It was. Yeah. No. It's good now. It was good.
[0:07:10] Kkoma @itskkoma: Cool. Cool. No. I'm just... I'm surprised we're talking about Amplify again. I'm not sure Metabase loves that. But, yeah, looking forward to just learn about what this flywheel is, Dave. So... And, yeah, I gave this account a follow as well. So I would love to learn more about that as Yep. Throughout the space.
[0:07:28] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yes, comma. I feel like I joined a cult this weekend as well.
[0:07:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Listen up. Okay? When dad was away for one day. Okay? One day. Alright? I was gone for one day. I checked the chat. It's like freaking... Like, the the the the inmates are running the asylum. So we're gonna do some info fly. We're gonna do some hyper liquid. We're gonna do some yield strategies. We have guests today. Okay? We're gonna have to do a nice a nice rounded a nice rounded edge over here. Okay? So welcome everybody, obviously, that's tuning in next
[0:07:59] Kool @koolcryptovc: to judge.
[0:07:59] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Never calling you daddy. Just wanted to clarify that.
[0:08:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Really? That's fine. That's fine. I'm okay with that. I think
[0:08:06] Kkoma @itskkoma: you just did.
[0:08:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's fine.
[0:08:07] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I'll call you daddy.
[0:08:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Sim it down. Sim it
[0:08:10] NatNat @Natnatx007: down, you.
[0:08:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Sim it down. Yeah. Cliff, hopefully, you knew what you walked into, but I promise you, this is probably one of the more educated bunches out here. But, Cliff, what's going on, man? How are you?
[0:08:24] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Hey. I'm doing really well. Thanks for having us on. You know, you you talk about a lot of the different organizations out there and especially the people. It... It's great to hear from the community and and really connect with people who want to find out about new protocols like like Re. So really, really excited to be on and and talk with everybody about it, especially when we have such a great team behind the protocol. I mean, it's... Talk about connecting great people with protocols on top of great people. It's kinda... It is it is the opportunity to create a good flywheel there. So thanks.
[0:08:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah, man. Of course. And and and... Look. I don't... We we we screw around over here, but this is probably... Like, what you're gonna hear, like, we we we go over so many different things here. Right? So we go over, you know, market, like, market news, updates, plays people are making, airdrops. I mean, we try and really run the gamut, and you have, you know, everything from our airdrop farmers to the ones that are looking for the next d... Like, the next d five plays across all different chains from base Solana, Ethereum, Tron. I mean, you name it. Like, we're here for it. So we're super excited for, you know, for you to obviously join us and give us the lowdown on on what Re is. Because I was just learning about it, obviously, on Tunnel. We're we're big fans of Tunnel, obviously, over here. But... Yeah. Like, I mean, if you wanna kick us off, it's not like we don't do typical, like, AMA stuff, but let's kinda kick it off because I feel like I genuinely wanna learn about it. I know Coma does it a bunch of others here as as well. Well. So So give us the quick lowdown on what it is.
[0:09:50] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. So, you know, first of all, thanks, everyone, and thanks for having Re and the team on. Re is an on chain reinsurance protocol. So, you know, ReLabs, which is the company or the organization that develops the protocol for the reinsurance company and and the and the protocol in general, has put together software that memorializes reinsurance contracts and puts them on chain and then allows the protocol to let people post their stables in exchange for a deposit token and participate in reinsurance. And so starting at the beginning, what is reinsurance? Well, reinsurance is insurance for insurance companies. All of the major insurance companies around the world ultimately have to back their policies that they sell to customers with a big pot of capital. And a lot of times, it's more efficient for them access to that capital to pay losses from somebody else, namely a reinsurance company. So, you know, it's... It sits behind all of your insurances out there, so all of your auto insurance, your life insurance. Every... Everything has a big pot of capital behind it for the most part, and it's a multitrillion dollar industry that's been around for centuries. It's just quietly been propping up, the capital markets that we all participate in because, let's face it, nobody can do business or or really exist without insurance of some kind. And so we set up an... A a reinsurance company that participates in what we call noncatastrophic program, low volatility business, meaning we don't back anything that that, like, that is catastrophic, meaning no hurricane, no flood, no no earthquakes, nothing that can kind of go all or nothing, which which as a result of... Means our our reinsurance business is very predictable. We can generate yields for the business that that are sizable when compared to other yields out there, but still very predictable, and the business won't go away overnight if if we get hit by a hurricane or something like that simply because we're diversified amongst about 330,000, 340,000 insurance policies that that our book of business is is backing at this point. So any one insurance policy going upside down or or having a negative outcome doesn't really affect the entire book. And as a result, we've written about 170,000,000 in total premiums so far. That's amongst about 26 reinsurance contracts in The United States. And what the Labs Co. Has done is, first of all, represented the balances that are backing all of those reinsurance policies on chain. So you can go to our our Dune dashboard now, and you can see the capital that is sitting in regulatory compliant one fourteen trust bank accounts in cash. You can see that on chain. So we have an attestation that goes and verifies the balances of those accounts and then publishes those on chain for us. That's the reinsurance side of it. What we've done on the other side is set up a protocol that allows people to participate in backing those two in return for a yield token in two different ways. So right now, we've got ReUSD and REUSDE. REUSD is kind of a park, set it and forget it type of opportunity that allows you to put down a stable and in return receive a token that yields, in this case, the basis trade plus about 250 basis points in return for using that capital as regulatory backing. Meaning, we'll use it to write more business, but we won't use it to pay losses. And that allows you to have something that is principal protected and safe and still earn a yield up and up and beyond what you would normally be able to get in something that pays the basis trade or, let's say, the risk free rate or something like that. The REUSDE opportunity is something that pays a little bit more if you're willing to take a little bit more risk, meaning when you put a stable down in that, it gets converted into something that participates in paying the losses that the REUSD doesn't end up paying. So you earn a higher yield, could be in the mid teens or low twenties depending on how the books do. But in return, you you get, in this case, less liquidity and and and a little bit more risk by by taking that opportunity to earn more yield. And then the piece that I left out on the ReUSD side is you you do have more more immediate liquidity on your offerings there. So all of that together is the reprotocol and how we support reinsurance and a little bit of a primer there. And then on top of that, we recently released an incentive, a loyalty program that that lets people accrue rewards for participating in, say, buying and holding reUSD or or participating in the the the borrow end markets and providing liquidity really to incentivize people to participate in lockup capital for the long run. But all of this is very successful. We're having a great time doing it and looking forward to answering some questions.
[0:15:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Sounds super boring. Love the tagline. This is the Berkshire Hathaway way. And, honestly, like, this is it. Like, this makes sense to me. Right? When I was reading kinda, like, through kinda your guys' campaign on Tunnel, it's like, it's boring, but, like, we say this here all the time. Like, a lot of the degens, they don't like the boring stuff, but you know what? It's the boring shit. It's the less risky stuff that actually gets you paid 8%, 16%. So, I I mean, I'll... Without having to essentially, like, worry about trading and and and and putting on leverage and doing all this crazy shit, go back Karen's... I put this in the post that I created for you guys. I'm like, yo. Go back Karen's insurance policy. And I put a gecko in it if you guys wanna check up top to make it really simple for people to kinda, like, understand, like, where this is coming from. But I thought that was a perfect explanation. Guys, I mean, Landy, I know that, obviously, you cool. Coma, you guys are obviously big, like, in the DeFi world. When you look at stuff like this, any... Anything maybe... Any questions or anything you wanna ask stuff?
[0:16:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I mean, look. I'm I'm actually really familiar with reinsurance, actually. This is kinda stems from a family business. But, so it's it's really cool to hear about a protocol that is, doing this. And it's a very important function that a lot of people don't understand, that really does, I think Cliff mentioned, kinda drive capital markets because you need insurance for everything. I mean, even brokers, we have to get our insurance in order and, like, all that kind of stuff. So, I did wanna ask what network is it on?
[0:17:04] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: So we did we did announce the base launch today. We do have native existence on Arbitrum, Mainnet, and and Avalanche at the moment. So there's four chains where we're we're natively available, and we're focusing on on building up liquidity and participation on those on those networks right now. So, you know, they they each have their own personality, but we're we're... We want to be where the community is, and and that's that's where we'll focus our efforts.
[0:17:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: And are you guys you guys are located in The United States. Right?
[0:17:43] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: So we're actually based out of the Cayman Islands. Our our DevCo, the the the labs company, is is primarily North American, but the protocol itself is run by us... An organization in in the Cayman Islands.
[0:18:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: Okay. And what do... Is there a... An area where we can go to see what kind of contracts you guys have or just the Onshared stuff?
[0:18:17] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Sure. So v.xyz will take you to the entire portal at the moment. And then there is docs.v.xyz where all of the smart contracts are published. And and we do have a Dune dashboard that we'll we'll be publishing on the docs page soon, but it does provide a lot of the insight into on chain and off chain assets and as far as what's published on a daily basis.
[0:18:49] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Just to be clear, I didn't throw a laughing face up and Twitter's really messing with me with this auto emoji thing that it does. It's very weird. I don't know if anyone else has noticed.
[0:19:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hate recorded spaces. It's recording of the spaces is what's killing us out here and... You know? Coma, I know you're big into... I mean, you're you're always moving money around. I see... I'm looking at all your posts. You're like, I'm doing this. I'm borrowing here. I'm lending there. Talk to me. Have you ever... I mean, is this something that you think you would take a look at?
[0:19:22] Kkoma @itskkoma: I I I don't... To be honest with you, they... Like, the whole insurance aspect is something that I'm pretty unfamiliar with. So before I jump right in, I would probably have to read into the docs more. But I probably read... Like, understood, like, maybe 10 to 15% of that because it's definitely not my specialty or area. But, yeah, I'll... Personally, I'm probably just gonna have to read the docs and really, fully understand what I'm getting myself into before, jumping right in. But, maybe... It seems like the people around me, like Landy and Dave, you guys have a pretty good grasp of it. So, enough reason for me to wanna take a look. So, yeah, sorry. I couldn't bring as much value here. But, yeah, I'll I'll just... If anything, it's just more I need to study it.
[0:20:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. You're good. Cliff, can you give us, like, a breakdown of, like, what what... Like, when we say, like, typical insurance, is it, like, car insurance, homeowners insurance, any other type of insurance?
[0:20:17] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Right. So it... It's a diversified book of types of insurance that will back. Certainly, auto insurance can fall into that, and that's a combination of personal and commercial. Small, medium businesses, we have a considerable amount of workers' compensation insurance, some homeowners, depending on whether it includes catastrophic or not. We usually carve that part out. But we have a set of very highly qualified under... An... Underwriters and actuaries that evaluate this business before that we bring it onto the books. And so far, it's been performing better than expected.
[0:20:56] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Okay. So I'm the person on here that understands maybe one and a half percent of what these people talk about. Can I? Can you give me the... Can it... Terrence scenario how that plays out? I mean, so are you guys... Is it like you guys are progressive but have a cryptocurrency, I don't know if I'm saying this right, yield earning on top of that, or does that make any sense?
[0:21:26] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Sure. So I think what you're asking is how does the regular insurance company that you buy your auto insurance policy from fit into this equation. Right? So you buy you buy your auto insurance from some some carrier. Let... Let's let's call it Carrier X. And Carrier X also sells $50,000,000 worth of insurance to everybody else in your state in in The United States, wherever you're at. Now they... In order to carry all of those policies and all of the liability that comes along with that, they need to have a certain amount of capital on the books in order to to meet regulatory requirements to to back all of those policies, and they need to be able to show the regulator that. Now in a lot of situations, whether it's just not efficient, they they have better things to do with the money or they don't have it, they can go to a reinsurer to to to offload that obligation, meaning support all of those policies and pay the losses or at least part of the losses on them in exchange for some of the economics, meaning some of the some of the premiums that you pay every month go to the insurer that's providing you the insurance. Some of it's gonna go to the reinsurance company for putting up all the money to pay any claims and any court of supporting any regulatory requirements for them to sell those policies. So it sits behind the insurance company that you buy a policy from and and takes a spread or or takes a portion of the of the premium that you end up paying. That's where it fits into, I think, the story that that you're trying to put together, and that's what we do. We we provide that backing that sits behind the insurance company, and and we sit behind many insurance companies. So we really take a spread of all of the policies that they sell, and we do that across a number of different insurance companies so that we're very, very well diversified. And for us to put up that regulatory capital, we end up tokenizing people's stables. And in in exchange, we were willing to pay them a yield for putting up the capital that we then use to put into those accounts and ultimately provide that regulatory backing for them to write their policies. Is that making sense?
[0:23:53] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I... Yes. That clears it up quite a bit for me. Thank you.
[0:23:57] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Absolutely.
[0:23:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: How much do you guys have in TBL, Cliff?
[0:24:02] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Well, if you look at our dashboard right now, we'll start with the top. We've written about a 168,000,000 in total premium. That's our top line amount of business that you can look at, and that's a great number to look at. Then you can look at what are our assets that are backing all of that, and that's somewhere in the number of around, let's say, 60,000,000 in total assets that that are used to support either the business or tokens that are deposit tokens. And then on chain capital is sitting in the range of about 7 to 7,500,000. So a combination of all of that, we would put it somewhere in the in the 60 to $65,000,000 range.
[0:24:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Got it. Yeah. Lendi and then, x factor. Go for it. Awesome.
[0:24:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: So I, yeah, I found your insurance strategy breakdown, homeowners auto, small business commercial, and then workers' compensation. So, I guess my question was, is there a way for, someone who's coming to your platform to see which, insurers you're underwriting and and, you know, which lines of business you're picking up, as you guys get those contracts done and they're funded? Or is there a way for, like, someone to understand the pathway that their that their money is taking through this reinsurance process?
[0:25:31] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Right. So we're we're working on a transparency dashboard that will provide as much of that as we're able to provide. Obviously, we can't provide any kind of personally identifiable information or anything like that. But as much of the type of of reinsurance that's being participated in by what we're taking from deposits, we're working on a visibility... On a transparency dashboard to provide insight into that. Now, obviously, there there is some delay when a deposit happens into when would these reinsurance contracts get written. And while those assets are idle, they're they're they're sitting in something that's also earning, a yield for it. So that plus the reinsurance returns are what ultimately add up to what what contributes to that yield as it comes back. But to answer your question, succinctly, it's... We're working on a visibility dashboard that you can go and look at to see what deals the the protocol's taking part in.
[0:26:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good stuff. And for those that that that that were, that are maybe still, like, a little unclear, like, I think MetaBeast's question was was really good just so people genuinely understand because I know, like, a lot of things kinda get lost in the sauce over here. But really simply, like, what happens is when you deposit your stables, right, with with Re, your money is then used to go back, like, real world insurance policy. So everybody genuinely understands that. That's the basis of everything kinda where it starts, and then those premiums that they get paid is essentially being siphoned back to you guys. And, obviously, there's different risk levels between the two different... Between between the two different... So there's r e u s d and then r e u s d e. And, guys, go check out those. I I also pinned it to the top. I pinned their their website to the top, their docs. They have a whole point system that's going on as well. But X Factor, did you have some? Then I wanna say what's up to Nat Nat.
[0:27:30] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Yeah. Hey. What's up, guys? Always nice
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[0:27:32] xFactor @xFactorPOL: here. Just a... I... A couple of questions. It's actually... And every time I jump in this space, it kinda strikes home a little bit with me. Right? But when I was younger, I used to be a two twenty agent. So I was involved in insurance, and I sold commercial auto policies. And each one of those policies usually would have... They would they would be a million dollar policies. Commercial auto policies, especially for trucks, have have higher policy limits. And then they would have reinsurance after a specific amount of money. Let's say the policy was written, you know, and it's, the first $405,100 k, the carrier would pay it, and then the rest would go through a company like... Or London's, for example, which would be a pretty big player in the reinsurance market. There's there's a bunch of different branches of lot of of London's or, I guess, underwriters under that umbrella. But, anyways, my question is, I know reinsurance carries some regulation as well that you have to be pretty pretty well backed and stable to to provide that service. How do you guys keep up with that compliance? And, also, what is your exposure?
[0:28:40] xFactor @xFactorPOL: How do you tap into that reinsurance? When there's catastrophic risk involved, that's usually when when it when it comes in. Right? When it's a policy limit event or something like that. What's your exposure to that stuff in in specific markets? Could you give me a scenario, if that makes sense?
[0:28:53] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Sure. So just to answer your compliance question, every every... Our reinsurance is all regulated by the Cayman Monetary Authority. So it's all sits underneath CEMA. It's a fully licensed BII reinsurance company, which gives it the authority and the capability to write reinsurance really anywhere in the world that recognizes that license. So that's that's who oversees the reinsurance business itself. And then in terms of what you're what you're talking about, the different tranches of risk, the way reinsurance contracts are written, different people take different parts of the risk. Right? So if if the trucking company, let's say, has some $100,000,000 set of policies that they're gonna write, they might sell the... Some piece of the risk, like 80 to 90% of the loss to one reinsurance company. They'll sell 90 to a 100 to another reinsurance company. And any kind of excess of loss that, you know, beyond all of the funds that get cleared out, they'll sell that a 100 to a 110% of loss. They'll sell that to somebody else and and so on and so on. So the different pieces of the risk are all sold to different parties that want to take different, you know, chances on where the loss is going to be, and they'll be compensated appropriately for that. So that's what... That was kind of the laddering question that you were that you were asking. And then lastly, the catastrophic...
[0:30:26] xFactor @xFactorPOL: So Oh, go ahead. No. So just just just to clarify on that point, you guys... Even on a catastrophic scenario from one of these insurance companies, your your exposure is minimal is is what I'm I was trying to ask
[0:30:39] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: personally. Way the way, yeah, the way our con... The way we get involved, generally, we we do not take any kind of catastrophic risk. So, you know, we'll we'll generally net that out of any kind of contract or just not take on anything that that involves fully... A full loss, a catastrophic loss like that. So that was... That's just part of our our operating contract, and and we're we're sticking to that for the longevity of the protocol. Now that doesn't mean we might not open up a part of the protocol that takes on specific catastrophic risks sometime because that that is interesting to a lot of people. And I think that's interesting to us because that that supports a lot of different policies around the world and a lot of different situations that absolutely require catastrophic support, but it... It's a unique need that needs to be taken on very systematically before we decided to do that. So for the sake of getting everything up and running, we've we've decided to exclude that from our from our investment policy.
[0:31:49] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Got it. Awesome, man. It's a a very interesting concept. It's a... It's very safe yields for sure. So pretty pretty cool. And thanks, Dave, for having me up here and letting me ramble a little bit.
[0:32:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. For sure. And I also see... Obviously, I guess I'm looking through kinda a lot of this stuff. And what you mentioned, Clint, is, like, you could see all the off chain assets you said in about a 114 different trust accounts, all of that being visible on chain via Chainlink. Yeah?
[0:32:16] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Well, yes. They're called one fourteen trust accounts. So that's a specific type of trust recognized in The United States that that allows you to open up a trust that's bidirectional, meaning two parties have access to it. That's the regulated bank account that the money sits in when it's off chain. And then we have a number of different accounts that we're publishing through Chainlink so that everyone could see the balances of those on a daily basis. Correct.
[0:32:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Got it. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. I had no... I learn something new every day. That's why I love these spaces. A 104... Well, one fourteen. Trust me. I got it. And I guess maybe my last question for you is I'm I'm someone that vehemently despises points. Hate points. Like, points points points drive me insane, but everybody issues points. So... And I know that people here do farm points. So maybe tell us a little bit about kind of the points program that you got cooking.
[0:33:10] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Sure. So, really, points are there to incentivize people to to hold. Right? So if you're not in The United States and... Or in a in a sanctioned jurisdiction, you can KYC onto the platform or KYB for that matter. And as long as you can KYB, you can accrue points. So even even if you didn't get the ReUSD or The US... ReUSDE from the protocol, you will... And you you acquire it somehow, but you're KYCed. You can start to accrue points on a daily basis, meaning that through the campaign, one point per token held per day will be accrued. And we're... We have a a number of different boosts and multipliers for participating in different ways, for example, on Pendle or or providing liquidity to the various liquidity pools, we'll we'll all kind of multiply or boost the way people are are are accruing those those loyalty points. So, yeah, if you go to re. X y z, there is a points panel there that that tells you each and every way that you can accrue points. And, obviously, we have the announcements on x at at re, and there's a... Actually, the Discord channel is incredibly educational and active on a daily basis.
[0:34:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Amazing. Good stuff. That's all my questions. I mean, if you guys consider going to Hyperliquid at any point, I think I know a guy who knows a guy that might be able to make... Maybe make some some of those connections for you if you guys maybe thinking about that being the next destination.
[0:34:43] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Yeah. That would be a very interesting conversation for sure.
[0:34:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's do it. Good stuff. Cliff, I appreciate you, man. Listen. You're more than welcome to obviously hang out with us here. All we're gonna do probably for the rest of the time is just kinda go through the news, see what's up, see what everybody else has cooking, what's been going on in crypto, and would love to to kinda have you around and maybe comment on some of the some of the stories that we got going on. But I appreciate you obviously taking the time, man.
[0:35:04] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Yeah. Definitely. Hey. Thanks for having me on. I'll I'll hang out and listen.
[0:35:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. For sure. Oh, actually, Cliff, one last question. How's the Tunnel experience been for you, by the way? Like, as a brand. Right? Like, we always talk over here about, you know, like, us getting involved and and and obviously, like, accepting offers for, you know, to to post on behalf of these campaigns. How is it... How's your experience been with Tunnel?
[0:35:24] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: Oh, it... It's been fantastic. I mean, the fact that the community rallied around this so quickly in such an exciting way, it's it's mind blowing. So thank you, everybody, and it's it's great to see the community, you know, really, really blow up like this. So thank you.
[0:35:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Of course. Guys, go retweet my tweet at the top, shouting these guys out. I put together a killer gecko video. It was like, yeah. You get paid. When when Karen saves 15% or more on her car insurance, that's how you get paid. I thought that was funny. Nobody? Nobody.
[0:35:57] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I'd like to speak to a manager, please.
[0:36:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: I thought that she was fired. Nat, what's good?
[0:36:04] NatNat @Natnatx007: What's up, guys? Oh, happy to be here. I just got back from back to school stuff with my daughter. Excited for the week and looking forward to some amazing stories. Great. Great. Hey, guys. I like what the insurance stuff and what you guys are doing is different. It's new, and it might be the beginning of something.
[0:36:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, Nat, today, we're gonna we're gonna give you the crash course, not on Infofly, but on Infofly wheel because I invented it over the weekend.
[0:36:33] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, I can't I can't wait. I have so many questions already, Dave. So many questions. My
[0:36:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: eyes just rolled in the back of my head like slot machine.
[0:36:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: What the... Bro. Listen. Okay? I'm an innovator out here. Okay? I'm a trailblazer. I don't know about the rest of you.
[0:36:48] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I know. We needed another flywheel. Mhmm.
[0:36:52] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You Take my money, please.
[0:36:54] Kkoma @itskkoma: Have you heard of, like, wrapped tokens? That's exactly what it is, but with info from
[0:37:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: Liquid staked info?
[0:37:02] Kkoma @itskkoma: It's the same thing as wrapped in a circle.
[0:37:07] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: J m n I h I h. I'm gonna be a teenager and speak in acronyms now.
[0:37:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: What? You know, we don't have that far of an attention span. I can't spell that long way. I don't know what you said.
[0:37:19] NatNat @Natnatx007: You lost me at a. Like, I was j a. That's as far as my brain got my bad, I'm
[0:37:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hate it here. That's what she says. I hate it here.
[0:37:30] Kkoma @itskkoma: I like how we're on our best behavior with Cliff and Reeve and that... You know, now the... Well, the shackles are off.
[0:37:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Exactly. Now the inmates can go back to running the whole bucket in asylum. It's crazy work. Come out with telling Cool earlier that my Avanta's position got liquidated, bro. I gotta put it back on again. Fucking a... By $5, bro. $5.
[0:37:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bro, delta neutral large volume. All you gotta do, you could just collect all the points.
[0:37:59] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yeah. And make sure... Dave, I I don't know if you are doing it, but make sure you also post about it. You know? That's that's the whole point of Infofy. You have to post that you cost money.
[0:38:07] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. Put... What what did Landy say?
[0:38:11] Kool @koolcryptovc: I did I did tell Dave that, you know, that he needs to talk about your stuff. Landy, quick question. Del... Delta Mutual... I know what it is, though. Can you just quickly explain what that is? And how much Yeah. Would you recommend?
[0:38:24] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, I'm not gonna recommend anything, but what you would do is you would open a long and a short at the same price, and you're now hedged on both sides. It's essentially a stable position. And then if you do this in size and then you let price go in one direction, you can you can basically create an ARB trade. So let's say you go, delta neutral. You open a long and a short right at... I don't know. What's Bitcoin at? $1.17. Right? And then price goes up to a 120, or it starts rising towards a 120. Now you're gonna take a loss on your short side, but you're gonna be gaining in equal measure on your long side. You do have to factor in funding fees. But you... The reason why you have a delta neutral position is because the funding fees are gonna be one-sided. So if the market's long, the long... The short might be losing value on the way up, but the funding fees are likely gonna be long pay short. You'll be collecting the fees on that side of things. You also have to factor in make or taker fees for when you're entering and exiting. But you can let one side go, and you get to arb the fees on that. And then if you see that, like, hey. Price is now starting to go back down. I'm gonna take a short again here at that same value that you have the long open for. You're... You essentially lost nothing along the way. You ate on fees, and then you can start to arb trade because now you can bracket trade a range if you want or you just let one side of the position go. Now this is an evolving strategy. It's not delta neutral at that at that point. And, yes, you can take losses on delta neutral positions because of the fees. I think Coma found this out fairly quickly. But you have to actively manage these things. And if you're on a platform that is offering up a point system, you could churn a lot of volume doing this, and you can possibly find yourself at the top of the leaderboard.
[0:40:20] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: So that's a that's a tactic, a strategy, not like an app or anything.
[0:40:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. So in the TradFi world, that is called a straddle, where you go long and short at the same time at the same price.
[0:40:31] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's funny. I think that's what AI was trying to kinda tell me was an option I could do when I was doing mine over the weekend.
[0:40:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. So... Yeah. And and so delta neutral strategy is depending on where you are in the world. It's like if you're trading options, it's a straddle. If you're you're going into, like, great stablecoins like Hermetica. Delta neutral is to print out a stablecoin on the other side, and then that can be used to stake and do whatever and or yield and stuff. So there's all kinds of different delta neutral strategies. It's just taking advantage of the the market and the fee structure within it, but you can also put volume on these different platforms. So one of the easiest ways... One of the biggest things, if you look at the top person on the leaderboard there, they... One, they've been trading, but they've also had delta neutral hedges on. So they're they're just collecting and keeping the volume, slashed. Right? So they can open and close, open and close, open and close, open and close right along the way. Let one side go. Let the trade fly. Open and close, open and close, open and close, and then let the other side fly, you can put on tons of volume in the order of millions in a very short period of time. And if you use a bot, it's even faster. They should probably fix that.
[0:41:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I'm feeling so SMRT today.
[0:41:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: You guys are so funny. Thank you, Lendi, for the breakdown. Man. Yeah. CK, Today's not the day, but I wanna say what's up. What's up?
[0:42:04] CKCardano @CKCardano: What's up, Dave? I appreciate you. And thank you so much for not, like, inordinately qualifying the content that that would deliver to the community because as we know, some of us are are varied in many, and we can we can contribute in many ways. I just wanna say, Dave, again, thanks for thanks for having me up. Landy, you're a goddamn gem meta. I mean, all day every day with the culture. I just wanna say, Cliff, you got me, like, so excited about what you're talking about because I think there is such an opportunity for just everyone to win here and not rambling longly about this. But, right, how many of us, were healthy in our twenties? Right? But, you know, from 18, if we're old enough, we had to pay monthly premiums. Right? What I'm trying to say here, imagine the 20 year old that pays those premiums for a freaking decade. What is that? $20.30 grand, right, by the time they're 30? Let's just say, now imagine if that if that principal was actually gaining yield. Right? So that 20 year old healthy kid, what if mom and dad go, hey. I I don't want you encumbered with medical expenses. So what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna fund you, like, your little 20 year old ass with $20,000. Now $20,000 lending and borrowing in stables can yield, say, $250 a month. Well, guess what, kiddo? That is what the government expects for you for your for for your health insurance, you know, premiums. Feel what feel what I'm saying there? So I see what you're cooking, Cliff. I think there's so much efficiencies to gain there.
[0:43:24] Landy @CryptoLandy: That's called delta neutral. You're canceling out your insurance premiums with the yield they're creating on the
[0:43:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: other side. Health insurance. It's homeowners, auto, small business, and workers' comp.
[0:43:34] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: You know? No. No. But he's he's innovating here. He's he's talking about what's called self insurance. Right? This is actually pretty common for companies to do. They'll self insure or there's sets of people that will will band together and create a... You know, they'll they'll basically put a pot of money aside that lets the government or or the regulators say, okay. You have enough in this pot of cash here to to basically insure yourself. And that can go and earn yield while it's sitting in the bucket, and you're not paying it to a third party insurer. You're self insuring yourself. And that... That's really where a lot of this can go in the future as we as we kind of figure out the rails and the infrastructure. I'll... We could we could make this self-service eventually. So absolutely what you're saying can happen.
[0:44:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: CK, bailed out. You like that?
[0:44:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yo. The other... See the fuck? There it is, CK that that... On the back of that is when you start getting big enough as a... As an organization that does that, you just open up your own reinsurance company because
[0:44:33] CKCardano @CKCardano: Exactly, bro. See, what we do is we say, are you a crypto native? Do you not wanna be a 60 year old that can't pay your bills? Cool. If you're between the ages of 20 and 25, fund this account with 50... Bro, we get ten thousand 20 year olds that are smart, and then that's lending and borrowing. Yeah, exactly.
[0:44:50] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: And we'll throw in a free popcorn machine.
[0:44:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Call now. Go and proceed. And you'll get... Y'all already seen what
[0:44:58] CKCardano @CKCardano: doing on this plane.
[0:45:00] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I wasn't cutting you off, Shiki. I just thought it was like... It sounded so much like an old old school infomercial. It was like, and we'll throw in a popcorn machine with, like, car insurance. It was just funny.
[0:45:14] CKCardano @CKCardano: Call now. I got that set it and forget it energy every once in a while because I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to empower these people. Right? But we both remember OxiClean, r I p.
[0:45:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, sad. Yeah. I remember OxiClean. Yeah. Everybody does. Poor guy. What was his name? Billy? Anyways Well, you're talking about
[0:45:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: the ShamWow guy or or Billy Mays? Because there's Billy Mays.
[0:45:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Billy Mays. Billy Mays. The the ShamWow predates Billy Mays. Yeah. You remember the Billy ShamWow? The ShamWow was amazing, though. That was an amazing invention.
[0:45:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: ShamWow. Don't look him up anymore. He's having a bad time.
[0:45:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. He he he he
[0:45:51] CKCardano @CKCardano: has eyeball, like the telltale heart guy from fucking Edgar Allan Poe. He has the big ass eyeball, ShamWow. But, yeah, Willie Mays was the guy in the airplane accident. I think he bumped his head or some... I don't know, bro. Too much coke, but I... So I heard.
[0:46:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Bro. Yeah. Bro. Billy, yeah, Billy Mays is... Yeah. He's he's not he's not here anymore. Guys, listen. Today's objective. Right? I mean, like, you guys had learnt... You... We learned the first part now. Okay? Now we teach. Nat Nat needs to catch up on everything Infofy, okay, in the next one hour, and we need to, like, literally, like... We we need to Infofy pill nat nat. Okay?
[0:46:25] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: So anyone tell me it was a skip day? Goddamn it.
[0:46:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: What? No. We can talk about HyperEVM as well. I thought that's
[0:46:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: that's that's called do less things crypto right now. No. I'm just kidding.
[0:46:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hate it here. I fucking... I hate it here. Hey, Vibes.
[0:46:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: What's I just thought I'd say hello. I've seen you go around. Everybody else will miss me. Yes. Oh, well, hello there. Yes. This is the intern Singh. Welcome to Monday.
[0:46:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: Was such a soothing voice. Right?
[0:46:59] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: How many eggplants do you have?
[0:47:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: I have no idea what that even means, Metabies. Well, I don't even know, like, from where to where. Anyways, back to Infofy. Nat, what we need to know right now is what is the... What is your level of understanding of Infofy so we know where to start, or do we start from the beginning?
[0:47:17] NatNat @Natnatx007: What I got so far is you post a lot and you get points. That's all I got.
[0:47:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Copy. Okay. So I'm I'm gonna school you on because this this is a tried and tested method for over the last forty eight hours. So I'm gonna school you as to what I came up with, and it's called the info fly wheel. Alright? So we... So the way I met Cliff and and the re team and and everything else is we had Morgan come in. Morgan is the founder of an app called Tunnel. Right? Now Tunnel is an Inflow five platform. Right? But you get paid USDC. Now how does it work? So you obviously see everybody posting on the timeline, cool, coma, and everybody else, like, to save their life. There's always a bunch of projects that are on what's called the Kaito leaderboard and, like, you know, they put all this money up and it's like, talk about them, talk about them, and then they give you amazing airdrops. Cool. But Kaito, unlike Tunnel, right, is you tweet, you create, you don't necessarily know what you're gonna get. Tunnel is essentially kinda the opposite in a way. And what they do is they actually... They partner with brands just like Re. Re essentially puts up, an initial, let's say, campaign pot. And in order to have access to the tunnel platform and be able to claim a spot or, like, claim a a spot on... In in their campaign, you have to meet two simple requirements. Right? So you have to have at least 10 yaps, and we'll tell you what the yap and cool and and whoever will tell you what the yaps are. And you need to have a tweet scout score of at least a 100. And what I'm realizing is talking to people over the last few days, a lot of people don't know what tweet scout is. So if you don't know what tweet scout is, it's literally like your entire Twitter life broken down by numbers. And all these platforms are using it as probably, like, one, if not more, multiple points of data. But the cool thing about TunnelNet is once you meet those requirements, you claim a campaign, and you literally... They give you requirements for a post. You get paid in USDC. Everything is done via smart contract and AI. So the AI verifies your post is legit. You you submit it, and then twenty four hours later, you got USDC in your account. Now the higher your, obviously, your influence, right, meaning higher TweetScout score, more yaps you have, the more money you are eligible to make per campaign. For scope, I make about 30 USDC for every post that I put up. So think about that. And I and I claim anywhere between, like, two and four campaigns a day. Okay? That's 60 to $120 in USDC a day that I make, unless I screw up the post, which I've done in the beginning maybe once or twice, but no more, for literally posting on behalf of the guys that are looking for more exposure. And, obviously, I didn't invite them here, obviously gives us another leg up and makes us more valuable here at ATC. But really simple. Meet the requirements, post, get paid. Simple enough, USCC. That's as simple as it gets.
[0:50:30] NatNat @Natnatx007: So now...
[0:50:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: With me so far?
[0:50:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yes. Got you so far. So I guess my confusion is because I'm trying to catch up after being gone for, like, almost a year. Right? Is this different than the HyperFi, or are they both the same or one's the parent company?
[0:50:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. So this is where my info info flywheel comes into play, and this is specific to me. So this is... Zip it up. Thought this was really... This was really good.
[0:50:57] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Storehouse. Zip
[0:50:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: zip zip it. So, Nat, this is how it works. Right? So I created this info flywheel, right, with all these different, like, images that you saw, and I'll pin it to the top in a second. But the way I saw it is I have all these GenSpark AI credits, right, to give out. I have 50,000 free GenSpark AI credits to give out. I've given out, I think, like, 30 or 40,000 so far. So there's, like, 10 or 11 slots left. You go to Genspark, and you create content for one of these companies, right, like like Cool and Coma and and essentially that you see on the Kaito leaderboard. Kaito is kinda like the big dog in the yard. And you earn the yaps. Right? And once you have the 10 yaps and the 100 tweet tweet score, then you go over to Tunnel, and then you can start earning the USDC. So I found it... Look. Take advantage of the free credits that you have with me. Go start yapping on the timeline about a project that's on the leaderboard so you could earn your yaps. And then once you earn the yaps, you walk over the tunnel and boom. You can start claiming deals and start making $30 a post. Simple enough. No?
[0:52:02] NatNat @Natnatx007: Definitely simple enough. So what's... What would be the ticker symbol for Infofy then?
[0:52:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: So this is the thing. Right? It's not a specific project. There's tons of them. Cool. How many how many projects are you... Are are on the Kiteo leaderboard roughly about now that that you're tweeting about?
[0:52:18] Kool @koolcryptovc: You mean me me personally, overall? Yeah. You. I'm more in probably, like, 36 leaderboards.
[0:52:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: See? That... There's a bevy of them to choose from, And they paid big money to be on that. They typically pay about a 100 to a 150,000 just to be on that leaderboard. But, like, that's everybody on crypto Twitter that is then literally tweeting and talking about you across all of Twitter. So it gives you massive, massive exposure. It's not perfect by any means by any means, but then they reward you with either USDC rule. And there's all different types of campaigns. Cool. Is it, like, typically USDC, then you get, like, a certain, like, certain supply for pre TGE?
[0:53:02] Kool @koolcryptovc: No. I think they... Most of it, they... Because it depends. 98% of all the projects rewards you in their native tokens. Some of them some of them do do stablecoins. Yes.
[0:53:17] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I'd like to buy a vowel, please, Pat.
[0:53:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yes? E.
[0:53:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're out. Yeah. Em, go for it.
[0:53:32] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Hi. I'm your friendly neighborhood wet blanket. Not not. What he neglected to mention is that, while he is printing, there's a lot of drawbacks on this info fi thing. One, you can get muted by your followers because they don't really appreciate the billboard aspect of your timeline. Two, if you are not vetting the projects that you are posting about, you don't know. There are people who will put that outlay out because they'll make more money in the long run and then still wreck the hell out of people. So that... That's a potential problem. Three, the points, the fucking points, and the way that this is clocked and the way that you're paid and everything else, you don't get to know. It's a mystery. It's a sliding scale. You could bust your ass for a single project on Kaido and get $3, or they could just rug you at the offset and, the launch could get all fucked up and then they could go Mea Kopa, or you could make it to inner CT and then they restructure, quote unquote, and be like, no. Fuck you. Kick you out of that circle. I love it. I I love it so much. So fun.
[0:54:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I don't know if I put my report out yet, but I did a report on the the vast differences between some of the different... You know, the the tweets that are out, whatever it is, and the different Yeah.
[0:55:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wall chain and everything else.
[0:55:03] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Put that out.
[0:55:03] Cliff White 🌏 @thecliffwhite: But Yeah.
[0:55:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: But hold hold that hold that for a second because, Nat, uh-uh, I'm gonna checkmate Empress here real quick. Cool. Do you mind telling us what your airdrop totals have been, to date, please? Just roughly.
[0:55:16] Kool @koolcryptovc: Are you are you are you sure? I don't I don't like doing that, man. Okay. To to be honest with you, I I don't know, but I'm gonna give you a a numbers. And, of course, if there is, right, there's not guarantee for everyone, everybody's difference. And the more active you are, you have to be really be... You have to be in it. Right? You have to be in the game in twenty four seven. So Eclipse was about 15,000. Caldera was 14,000.
[0:55:49] Kool @koolcryptovc: Magic Munity was 8,000.
[0:55:52] NatNat @Natnatx007: This is coins or, like, dollars?
[0:55:55] Kool @koolcryptovc: Dollars. So so far. So far was, like, 3,000. The bulk bulk was, like, 800 or something. Infinix was, like, 3,500. I I don't I don't I don't know. I I I... That's just off top of my head. There's still... Like I said, it all varies. Right? It all it all varies. But but what I'm saying is the reason why why I like this... Yep. It's interesting because I'm... I I don't wanna say everyone can make this kind of dollar value I'm making, but what I'm saying is this, the more active you are in the enterprise space, the more opportunities you have. And and and... Yeah.
[0:56:37] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Real quick. Cool. During my checkmate that hasn't come, there's obviously time you encountered nothing. But in general, tell Nat Nat for the success level that you have had, how much time you spend grinding to achieve the success that you have...
[0:56:53] Kool @koolcryptovc: Oh, no. No. She... There's there's... Empress is correct. It's not... I mean, I mean, I'm not... That's what I'm saying. It's not as easy as as you think. You're talking about multiple trees per day depending on when you're free, but let's say you're you're... I mean, that was two, three months ago. They've changed the algorithm now, so you you don't have to do this again. Right? But two, three months ago when things were really, really crazy, we were making a 100 to 300 to 300 replies per day, 10 to 70 tweets or posts per day every day, Monday through Monday. Because the the the reason... Like I said, things have changed now so we can't compare info five down to info five from three months ago. Three months ago, if you stop in... If you stop making a post, people are coming after you on the the leaderboards. You you don't have a choice. You need to be active. But the more active you are, then you you can maintain your spot on a leaderboard. The moment you take the foot off the gas, you you lose your spot, and that's why people stay just active. But they've changed the way, things are being calculated now. You need a, they've created different, different levels or different tiers for you to... For for me, that was easier to rank on leaderboard because I have a higher tier. The higher tier, you need to have a certain number of smart followers, a certain number of Yaps, and different things that are used to put you in different tiers, which is... Which made it easier now. The algorithm just changed, like, two weeks ago, three weeks ago. So things are different now versus two months ago. So I do agree to Empress. Things were... There's been insane three months ago. But now as of Monday today, August 18, things are easier now for the true the true creator because there's... There are less people of fighting for spots now. But it is lucrative for sure, but it's not easy. You... I mean, it's easier now because they've they've upgraded the algorithm again. But the game... I mean, like I said, the game is the game, and you just enjoy the spoils, but it's not easy, like Emperor said. Yeah.
[0:59:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Know. Masterpiece Water, your points. I
[0:59:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: was going to say real quick that I think this place to everyone's, like... Because everyone has a different strength. Everyone has a different weaknesses, and there are different opportunities. So if you're someone that... That's available all day long to, like, post, post, post, post, this is definitely a project that would definitely be successful for you, and you can reap great rewards. But if you're someone like me, I have a real life business, a brand new baby, a whole family, a whole bunch of stuff going on. I I can... Best I can do is stop a post Perfect.
[0:59:51] Kool @koolcryptovc: No. You're you're you're not wrong. I'm not I'm not... I do have work, two job. I do have work, three jobs. I do have a wife. I do have two kids. I am busy. I do two shows every day, seven days a week, and I still find time to to do this. So it is... For someone like me, it is insane. I don't have the luxury, but I have... Because because to me, I figure out... Look. I... Just like you said, it it all depends on what you like. I'm a user. I like to test projects. So, this new project, I just love love interacting, playing with stuff. So it's easier for me to be playing with things and and see how they work and all that stuff. And I'm not a edge off farmer. I like to test the different chains, and I get rewarded for my for my different... I think I I like to test stuff, and I get I get rewarded for that. But like you said, it's not for everyone. The the the real... I'm I'm actually a tier two when it comes to make... Making money on this April Flying. There there are some people that their jobs seven days a week is crypto. Those people, I can't compete with them. They they make 5 figures every single... I think one of one of the top creators so far on on the Kaito. I don't know his name, but he's made about $700 within the last six months just from this stuff. And you you... You're not putting your you're you're not putting your cap... Capital at risk. All all he's done is just talk about projects every day, seven days a week. And so far, he's made about $700 so far. That... That's how crazy it it it could get. Yeah.
[1:01:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And and that... Like, it... Agreed. It's definitely not for everybody. At the end of the day, for what I do and what we do here, obviously, as host too, It's just for me, I just see it as such a win win because, like, now we got... You know, I I I I put the post out for for re, like, during their campaign. I put it on the timeline in the comments. I put the link for ATC. Come join us. Tell us what you guys do. Now I open the door for another potential prospect, potential sponsor. Right? Like, that for me is a no brainer, and I get paid to do that. Right? So that's like a... It takes zero effort for me. And I have fun with the post. You know what I mean? I put... I created videos. I create different images, like, different slogans and shit. So it's super fun. But there are actually tunnels coming out with a new product tomorrow, and I'll talk about that in a minute. But, Monica, thanks for being patient, and we'll go land these Empress.
[1:02:20] Moni @monitalan: No worries. I think, you know, I always have a lot to say about Empify. But the first thing you should not know, Nat, is that not everybody makes as much money at school. A lot of people make very little money. So he was not the right example to point to, I think. But I think the most important part is that if I... You know, I I agree a 100% that totally changed. I I honestly don't know what the next, like, six weeks will be, but I I do see a decrease in the volume and craziness we were seeing. We had a no sleep club. Where's coma? We had a no sleep club because we were, constantly, pushing out content. But what I love about Infify, which is I think some of the stuff people don't talk about, and I have obviously made a little bit of money, not as much as cool. Maybe I should learn from him. But the first part is how much I've grown. I started the year with 5,000 followers. I'm now at 10,000. How much my brand has grown and how many connections I've made. That's how I met Coma and how I've made everybody here, and it's been fantastic. And I've also now I'm connected to projects like Dave said, right, that I wasn't to before. So what I tell people all the time about Amplify is take it as an opportunity to really grow your personal brand, grow connections and relationships, and, yes, make money along the way. They...
[1:03:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: I still win against them.
[1:03:45] NatNat @Natnatx007: The way I still win... The way Monica puts it, that's so much better. Like, it's like a networking event, but online.
[1:03:52] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: And Well, so so NetNat as one of the newest to it and most frustrated with it... Let me tell... I'll tell you. If you've seen my stuff, you you know, I've been on Wallchain for a few months with zero results. My Twitter score did go up nine points, went from 35 to 44, but I was... And I was only doing maybe one or two a day, and then I stopped because I wasn't getting anything. It was either cool or coma or combination of both of them that encouraged me to get back and try again. And finally, let's say, is last week sometime, I I was at my wit's end, and I was just... I was done when I got my first half yap. And then I got... The following day, yesterday, I got point two two. Nothing exciting, of course, but, you know, I'm only putting so much work into it. It it just took in my opinion, it far... Took far too long to actually see something. Because I don't... It's something I wouldn't mind doing because... To... On Dave's point about the the creating part, I I I... It's it's fun to me to try to come up with some videos or some images or something for anything or anybody. I don't... I I I have fun doing it. Ask Landy. I made. I turned Bitcoin puppet into a storybook, which, by the way, Landy, I know you said more degen. I was thinking more... Maybe it would be something your kid might find cool that, oh, my dad my dad's a storybook. Anyway... So that's been my experience.
[1:05:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Keep trucking. Don't you dare stop. You keep going. Alright? We'll keep retweeting your shit. Put it out. Tag us if...
[1:05:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: And for other fun things, you can watch Paint Dry.
[1:05:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I do I do
[1:05:53] Kool @koolcryptovc: I do agree with what Monica said with with with the growth. The growth is what I've enjoyed the most so far in the past six months. I I I think I... We started I started Infofy whatever with, like, 15... I don't know. All I know is the the... My pace has exploded, right, because the growth has just been. Because when you when you align with different projects, you grow with their community. But, like, the the show that hosts the weekend are triple in size. The shows that host every day are, like, quadruple in size. So that's... To me, that's the alpha thing. And the money is good, don't get me wrong, but the the the the the alpha in this this meta is growing your brand. 100%. I agree with that. Sure.
[1:06:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: And on ATC, you go a new wall chain leaderboard is up now. Covalent. I just pinned it to the top. They got 200 k in CXT rewards over the next five months, monthly payouts. Today's day one. MetaBeast, let's go. Move your ass. Get on it. Let's start fucking quacking out here. Yeah. Listen.
[1:07:02] Kool @koolcryptovc: Listen. Basically, the top 10 top 10 people get 2,500 eats for the for the next five months. So that's why
[1:07:08] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: But I
[1:07:08] Voice M: don't stop.
[1:07:09] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. I I don't want people following me. I don't want to have to go through the hassle of finding a restraining order. What's up, Empress?
[1:07:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: You better stop it. You better stop this madness. Landy, Empress, go. And then we had... I know Eamon came up, and then I wanna kinda work it around. Go for it.
[1:07:24] Landy @CryptoLandy: So I was just gonna say to to Nat Nat, there's different styles of the Infophy. I wouldn't even classify... I know the tunnel is, like, kind of classified as Infophy. I almost wouldn't classify it as that. Because at the end of the day, the leaderboard stuff is... It's essentially a coal battle. You know, you're a key opinion leader in in in exercising your network, and how much effort you're gonna put into posting about a project is hopefully gonna get you paid. Whereas then there's other protocols like the like the tunnel platform where you take a request that already has assets that are going to be issued to you upon fulfilling that particular contract, basically. It's basically a contract. Right? You're just... It's a tweak contract. Like, you put out a post about something, and then you can get paid for it. I almost feel like that's not really leaderboard based, although there is other things that's built into that. There's... This is just the evolution of where I think we were gonna end up with with Kohl's anyway. And it's like bull posting for things that you don't have vested interest in, but also there are a lot of perks to getting vested interest in the platforms that you're posting about on these various platforms, like whether it's NFTs or other types of, going in and testing out the network in addition to, you know, posting about it for Kaido leaderboard spots, right, and trying to earn the apps. So there is, like, a duality there. You can earn Yaps on Kaido. You earn Quacks on Wallchain, and those will contribute to hopefully turning into something just by themselves, but then also fighting for that leaderboard spot to try and get a portion of the TGE's for the projects that you're posting about. Whereas tunnel, like what Dave is doing, is is quite a bit different. You get paid. Dave, you get paid right at the... Right after fulfillment. Right?
[1:09:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Or forty... Twenty four hours, bro. Twenty four hours. Yeah.
[1:09:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: So then there's there's gonna be probably more like the tunnels of the world to... As as we begin shifting in this space. Because a lot of it is... I refer to it as astroturfing when it's just a leaderboard. Because there's so many people that will not be able to to get any of that TGE or get just very minimal for months and months of posting on their timeline, which essentially to me is astroturfing. And and that... That's where, like, I I understand and I I don't actually disagree with the way that these things are being built and the way they're going because we need to, you know, f around and find out. And as we've been evolving, I think that's way better than, polls just being paid to shill, you know, with with portions of, you know, somebody goes to cool or somebody goes to come and is like, hey. We're gonna give you $10,000 of our token vested to unlock at these different periods during, you know, post TGE or something. Like, I think it's a much better way of doing things. It's a little bit more honest, but then what they're finding out very quickly is they have to keep readjusting because everyone finds a way. We find a way to game the system. Right? So... And you can't blame anybody for finding a way to game the system. But I think it's very important that there is a distinction between these different types of platforms, but it's essentially projects pay them. Say, hey. Put us on your leaderboard. We're gonna have a TGE. You go on the pre TGE. And then people post about it in the hopes that they're gonna get some of whatever you're gonna airdrop.
[1:11:03] Moni @monitalan: Thank you for
[1:11:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: the breakdown, Andy. I appreciate it. Go ahead, Impress.
[1:11:07] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I don't have a tiny account. I definitely don't have, like, the biggest account either. But no matter how many times they seem to restructure these things... And I preface it with that because usually I should be one of the people pro about this or whatever else. But no matter how many times they seem to restructure these things, if you go look at just quacks on the wall chain leaderboards, I know for a fact cool grinds harder than the people that are in the top. And if you look, you'll know everybody at the top of these leaderboards. In jet... Like, all of them. It is all the o g k o l's that have been here forever, and they don't have to do half as much as anybody else to get half the quacks. So, like, the... It's not just about the individual grind. Like, you can grind as hard as you want all day long, but getting that actual engagement on your tweets and that visibility on your tweets helps tremendously on the scores. So it just... I... If you're wondering that why I'm so, like, kinda on the negative side of this, it's because there's a lot of small accounts that grind really, really hard, and they don't see any rewards for the work that they are doing. And so I like to really provide a counter to that narrative because it's just impossible to kinda break through that. And also the the vetting of the projects, it's really... Like, it's a full time job if you're doing this whole thing the really correct way. I can tell you even I, I was able to grind enough to get a white list for an NFT on hyper liquid, and it all checked out. But so far, we're waiting to see if it's a slow rug because nothing's going on after all that hype and everything that went on and things like that. So my overall, like, negative attitude is having seen a number of small accounts come up on speaker in various spaces and kinda crash out about how much work they've been doing and time they put in and not seeing, like, really any benefit to what they... What they're doing.
[1:13:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey, Emp. You know what you just reminded me of? The Discord grind. Hey, grind for those levels, everybody. And if you get in the top tier of the Discord, you too can buy this NFT. That's basically what it is.
[1:13:28] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Call now.
[1:13:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Except it's for an airdrop. Yeah. Call now.
[1:13:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: But that was more
[1:13:32] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: fair, Landy, because you didn't depend on how big your account was.
[1:13:36] Moni @monitalan: You know?
[1:13:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, it's true. But I could also just spam all kinds of stuff in the server, and it would never pick it up unless the mods got me.
[1:13:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. It depends. Okay.
[1:13:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: The the the biggest thing I I did wanna... Because to Empress's point, she made a very good point. If you go and do look at a lot of these top leaderboards, the very first person you typically will see as soon as a project goes and gets listed on any of these AI things is the very top leaderboard person's like Ansem. It's like it's like Ansem's never gonna talk about their project, never gonna see it, and yet he's still sloshing around the leaderboard somewhere, which is always bizarre and funny to watch. But, you know, I mean, it... It's also, like, if he becomes aware of it and he tweets once, he's gonna get way more mindshare than someone who with a very small account that's tweeting a thousand times a month, which is... That's just crappy. And sorry. I stepped on both Neiman and the other person. Sorry.
[1:14:30] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I I... And I'm gonna do it real quick just to finish my point. I wanna add Nat Nat said a networking apparatus. I just want you to know that it can get real thug life in those info five streets. There are people policing each other and being like, that person did AI slop, and that person is is a bot and blah blah blah. So I'm just... Just be mindful of that too.
[1:14:51] NatNat @Natnatx007: I love your take, Empress, because they're so honest. Like, you hear a lot of people that are pro project, and they're like, this is the best project. Nothing can ever go wrong. To the moon, 1000%. It'll never go down. Never say these prices are getting. Bye. Bye. Bye. And then Empress is like, bro, hold on. Hold on. I don't wanna rain on your parade, but look, there's this side to it. I love it. Thank you guys so much for sharing it, Empress. I appreciate the honesty for sure. Which one comes with the free popcorn maker? Yeah. Asking for a friend.
[1:15:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Seriously. Guys, we also had some... We have some some new faces, some new hands. But, Demi, I know that you were waiting for a minute, so I appreciate you waiting. Then we'll go to Eamon. What's up?
[1:15:37] Voice M: Hey, GM and... GM, everyone in space. GM, host and cohost. I just wanted to check-in something and buttress what Monica said because we are on bandit space earlier in the morning. About the networking thing, I think that's the... That's just what I'm focused on now because as a small creator, that's that's basically what you should build, you know, for the future. And I'm I'm I'm not really focused on... I'm I'm focused on the rewards now, but I'm not as focused on it as, you know, my networking. And I think that's what most small accounts should be focusing on also. So thank you for meeting me speak.
[1:16:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Absolutely. Good stuff, man. I appreciate you, man. Yeah. Nothing... Listen. It's not easy out here. Right? Like, it's not like you go... We're not saying you're making millions of dollars overnight. You gotta put working out here. That's the facts. Thank you, and I appreciate it. Zamie, go for it, man.
[1:16:45] Voice K: You GM GM Dave, GM Cool, GM Nat Nat. First time being on one of your sections, and I must confess I've been loving the experience. It's it's always a good thing connecting with with people in the info file meta of today. So, yeah, shout out to you, Dave. I just give you a follow. And, yeah, I love the space. Let's fucking go. And, yeah, I want to ask you about the link for for Tunnels. Yeah? You have been talking about it, but I haven't seen anything on it yet. So I would like to look it up. Okay? If you can shoot if you can shoot a link to to Tunnel on the comment, I will really appreciate it.
[1:17:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: 100%. I'm literally gonna put it in the comments now. And, also, so you guys know, Tunnel is coming out with something really fucking dope tomorrow where they're flipping the script. It's called Tunnel Boost. And I don't wanna speak out of turn, but what Morgan told me last week and what I've been hearing in the Telegram chats, this is essentially gonna be a way for smaller accounts to essentially be the ones that can run their own campaigns so that now they get retweeted and commented by some of the bigger accounts. So I don't know exact Wow. Yeah. It's gonna be something really, really cool because they're thinking about this. And, obviously, that's a big thing. Right? When I I I asked Morgan to come into the space on Saturday when Yemi was holding a space, and I'm like, Morgan, like, you have a ton of people here that are super interested, and it's just like, well, what are the requirements? And some people either have, you know, the tweet scout score, but maybe they don't have the yaps. Some people have the yaps, but they don't have the tweet scout score. So now this is gonna be a way for them to be able... And I don't have the specifics, but this is essentially turning the... Like, flipping the table and essentially allowing the smaller creators to essentially put up campaigns and say, hey. Like, we want to grow and be able to do it. I don't know if they're gonna have to... How much money they're gonna have to put up, if at all, or what the story is gonna be, but it sounded super, super interesting. So at least these guys are thinking about it now, and I like the way that they operate, and I like the way that they do business. I've had no issues with the platform whatsoever, like, at all. And that... Yeah. Zami, also, like, just FYI, like, it's it's real... It's been a seamless seamless experience. So I'm gonna put it in the comments, and I'm gonna pin up the link to Tunnel right now. Give me one second.
[1:19:10] Voice K: You... Yeah. Thank you so much, Dave. Thank you so much. I I I think they they seem similar to yahoo.market. But lately, yahoo.market has been, I think, falling behind. They are kind of not rewarding that as much as they used to. So I'm looking for another good platform to pivot. So, Antonio, sounds like a a good one to check out.
[1:19:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: 100%.
[1:19:33] Voice K: Especially being a a small account. 100%. So thank you thank you so much. Thank you so much. Yeah. I'm here to support the space anytime I'm available. So shout out to you. Shout out to everyone on the space. Yeah. I'm looking to connect with you guys. Keep enjoying the space, and thank you so much once more. Thanks so
[1:19:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: welcome, bro. I shot you the follow. Eamon, I shot you the follow too. And, yo, for everyone that that is rationing their follows, like, stop the bullshit already. Like, help other people, like, grow out here. Like, it's a it's a click of a button. Like, what are we talking about here?
[1:20:07] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: Like, I don't wanna lose my following.
[1:20:09] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: I need 69. Stop my ratio. I need to grow. What's my ratio?
[1:20:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: My ratio. Even with the ratio business, like, come on.
[1:20:19] NatNat @Natnatx007: Is that... Are we really doing that now, Dave? Or are are people really saying that? Swear, Nat,
[1:20:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: you have no idea
[1:20:25] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: how to
[1:20:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: look straight.
[1:20:26] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: That's that's been an old thing. And and the sad part is, like, have pride people. If they don't follow you back, unfollow the bitches. I do unfollow Friday. It's it's a tradition.
[1:20:39] Moni @monitalan: I was gonna write about that this Friday. I thought I was gonna do my unfollow Friday. Hey. I I do have two questions. One on Wallchain and one on, Tunnel. Because of the model for Tunnel, don't you have to disclose you're doing... Because it's it's more like advertising. Right? I'm I'm talking for US people. Do you have to disclose you're doing something paid?
[1:21:03] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You have to KYC for something on there.
[1:21:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Oh, sit me down. No. No. No. I KYC nada. Alright? I connect my Twitter account.
[1:21:12] Moni @monitalan: No. No. I'm... I meant more the f... Yeah. FTC rules for disco... Closing when you're
[1:21:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: doing promotional content. I didn't... No. No. I mean, what what... I guess, Monica, what would be the difference between, like, just yapping and essentially... Oh, because you're taking direct payment is what you're saying?
[1:21:27] Moni @monitalan: Because you're... You have guaranteed payment. We have this debate this weekend in one space where with Kaito, you don't know if we're gonna get any payment. Right?
[1:21:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's the difference. Interesting. Yeah. That's actually a
[1:21:37] Kkoma @itskkoma: really good question that I
[1:21:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: think about. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
[1:21:40] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. Technically, yes. Okay. On your tweets, you have to disclose that it's a promoted tweet, technically.
[1:21:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Interesting. Yes.
[1:21:48] Moni @monitalan: Landy's saying thumbs
[1:21:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: up. We
[1:21:50] Moni @monitalan: have to.
[1:21:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I don't do none of that. So
[1:21:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: If you take direct payment if you take direct payment for any kind of post video content, all of it, it falls under FTC rules.
[1:22:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Come on. And there's a there's a simp... There's a loophole in this somewhere. What are talking about? This is gonna be
[1:22:09] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: a The with the Your face
[1:22:12] Landy @CryptoLandy: is on video, sir.
[1:22:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exactly. Like, you know, wait. You guys pay taxes? Sorry, Monica. What was the second
[1:22:20] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: question?... Brother.
[1:22:22] Moni @monitalan: Yo. So I I personally... So this is not a wall chain criticism. I I like wall chain. I love the UI UX. But they they, you know, they've pivoted to say they're a platform for small creators. I actually find being on a leaderboard on Wallchain much harder than Kaito. Is it me that I'm doing something wrong? Or... I I don't understand their small creator positioning because I actually think it's really tough to position yourselves on on wall chain. I mean Anybody?
[1:22:56] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: No. With the with the You...
[1:22:58] Voice K: Are you are you sure about that? Because I just made one post about limitless, and I'm already ranked on the leaderboard. I I feel like watching is quite easier than Kaito. I don't know. Are you sure your profile is linked correctly?
[1:23:13] Moni @monitalan: Well, now I'm gonna go go check. No. I think it is. It may be that I went
[1:23:16] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: to the top. So... No. The the thing is is it was easier, and and maybe Sammy has something... Some secret there. But in general, like I said, now if you go hit Quacks... Because, like, cool used to be, like, at the top top, Monica. Now if you go hit Quacks, there's at least three pages of the o g KOLs. So I think that that with them coming on board when they weren't on board, it it has gotten infinitely more difficult than it was.
[1:23:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: But think about this too. Right? So even with the top... If you become a top creator, whether it's watching or whatever, what Cool said, right, top 10 creators are gonna split up $25.30 grand. Alright. Cool. That's 2,503,000 a month. That's what I'm doing with... If I continue to go this route, correct, like, with freaking tunnel, and I continue to and I continue to do anywhere between two, four... Some days, like, some days, I do five. Right? At... And and my average USDC payout is $30. It's a $150 a day. Like, come on. Like, what are we talking about? Like, at the end of the day, it's like, alright. Fine. Like... And you don't have to do the post right away. You claim the deal. Sometimes they give you twenty four hours. Typically, it's twenty four hours. Other times, it's forty eight hours. So it's up to you. And you get to play with the tools, and you could reject the offers if you don't want to post about it. You can claim, and then you just reject, and the money goes right back into the pool. And some... Like, there's... Like, right now, there's literally more... There's, like, existing campaigns that, like, the pools are not even done with yet. Right? Like, some campaign... Dreamspace, Keyring, Reed that we just had up here. Some of them are putting in $45. I mean, it's a far cry from a 150,000 to be on a leaderboard, and then you gotta wait for the TGE and all this other stuff. Pay me now. Like, I'll put the post out, have a good time with it. Like, it's cool. I get to essentially network with those with those founders and and with that team, and they're just partnered up with Base. So they're gonna have a ton of more Base projects that are gonna be coming. So I guess you kinda have to choose... Pick and choose. Right? It's like you don't have to choose one or the other. Wall chain is kinda like your Solana, like like, playground. I feel like tunnel can be, the the the base playground. Kaito's, like, you know, pretty much everywhere. So I don't know. I I... And, Monica, I'm kinda with Sammy. I don't think it's difficult to make the leaderboards. I think you just have to focus on one because I'll say this. This kid, Yemi, over the week... This kid earns 20 quacks a fucking day. He literally puts out a post about Wallchain, about Limitless, about Gino. He puts out at least, like, one or two posts per day on each of the projects that are on there. And I think now is he
[1:25:48] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: on the leaderboard, though? Where is he, though?
[1:25:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: What? Yemi? Yeah. I mean, I'm saying he's fairly he's fairly new, so I think he's working his way up. But I see every day, he's earning 20 quacks. I'm earning four or five, you know, if that sometimes. So, like, I don't think it's difficult. I think also you just have to kinda, like, put it in. And this is the
[1:26:07] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: biggest thing. That... Do you know... Did you see these these massive KOLs? They have upwards of 4,000 quacks, and they started three months after we did. Like, that's just not true.
[1:26:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No. No. I... I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not saying you gotta make the top 10, but, I mean, you don't know... I don't know what the rewards for Avantis are gonna be. I have no clue how they're gonna structure it. Right? Like, it's not just quacks. Right? If you remember, like, yeah, when the... When Kaito and Yaps came out, like, some... Those guys ate right off the bat. And what did they do? They cheat. I remember. And some cheating 230 k right upon when Kaito... The first drop. So I get that. But I think now, like, these guys are listening, and they're taking the feedback. Like, I have no clue what Avantis is gonna do, but I'm... It's not just tweeting. It's not just the number of quacks you have. They're coming up with, like, different ways to be able to reward. Some of them work. Some of them don't. You know what I mean? So I I don't necessarily wanna say, like... Obviously, the closer you are to the top, you probably have the higher likelihood. Yes. But I don't know. If if it doesn't take too much time and this is kinda what you're doing, I don't see it as being too too difficult. That's just my dream.
[1:27:11] Moni @monitalan: Yeah. But, Dave, the other thing... Just going back to the on chain activity. I think today, you who posted something about, we're gonna see a lot more focus on not just your tweet and your content, but more on chain activity, be it NFTs or other things. And I think we're we're already seeing it. Right? We're seeing it with Polygon. We're seeing it with some of the projects. So keep that in mind as well, and that I think will also make people prioritize what projects they wanna be creating content.
[1:27:41] Kool @koolcryptovc: No. I I I with you guys. Thing... Things have changed. You know, my experience... Because I... You know, we... Dave and I, well, we... Colma, we got got into quite so early, but they've they've changed the way the game is played now. So the the hype, the madness has really died down. They've... Things are different now, very, very different now. And I think they're they're updating the algorithm, trying to trying to figure out, you know, how to make things better, you know, to to kill the AI slop and all the noise. And, of course, of course, smaller accounts did suffer from the... Of not... From the update. Right? Of course. But I think just like what you just said, the the info fight is supposed to be you talk about the platform and use the platform. But three months ago, a lot a lot of latter... Larger accounts didn't use the platform. They will make two, three tweets and get 20, 30 k airdrop. That's what was happening for three months. But it it got crazy. The hype was too much, and they changed the algorithm. They changed everything. And I think the newer newer, you know, since since the update, the noise has died down. There's, you know, a lot of, you know, you... Because before, you have to reply people all the time to to earn money and all that. Now that's done. If you if you reply people, you don't get any mind share. So they've changed a lot of stuff. That's for Kiteo. For wall change, it's still fairly new. You have a better chance of doing well on wall change, but it's still fairly new. But I I like I like where Kaito's going, I think, where you have to use a platform and talk about them. And I think wall chain actually is using our format now where you have to use, you know, protocol then talk about them. You have to use a advantage to talk about them. You have to use limitless to talk about them. They they track your own own chain metrics, and they put you on a leaderboard based on your, your numbers. So it's it's it's very interesting. Like I said, I... I'm the kind of person where you play the game, man. You just have fun with it. And, of course, nothing's fair, man. Of course. I'm not I'm not I'm not gonna say. I'm not gonna lie to you. Things are very hard now for a lot of smaller creators, man. And and I'm hoping when they shift into more on chain, you could do better. But the game is the game. It... We have fun with this thing. We don't know how long this stuff will be around for, but I I I I want people to join it, man, if you can. Right? But you just do what you can, then you move on. It's it's not easy, though. Like I said, it's not easy. Definitely not easy.
[1:30:23] Moni @monitalan: Yeah. Is that...
[1:30:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No.
[1:30:24] NatNat @Natnatx007: Go ahead.
[1:30:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. Go for it now.
[1:30:27] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. It it all sounds like it goes back to my point. Right? It depends on what it is you like doing. Like, some people find creating content and getting involved, getting in the mix really, really fun. And they... It's not like... It it... It's like second nature to them. They don't have to overthink it. They just get up and do it. But if you're someone that... It doesn't come as second nature and your content is not your thing, then it might be a little more difficult to go up into the rankings. It really depends on the individual you are and what you like doing. What... That's what I'm gathering.
[1:30:59] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: Yeah. I was gonna actually double down on that. Not not... The the... At the end of the day, it's a great way if you... And I'm not implying that everybody who does Infofy can't trade. But if you're not the best at the trading aspect on crypto side, it... It's a great way to grind and do whatever. But, like, because it requires that time, it definitely cuts into the ability to trade. So people have to prioritize in that way. But it... It's just in the same way that you might prioritize the trenches over leverage trading. You know what I mean? Everybody has their style of how they engage in crypto, and I think that, it just depends on what your wheelhouse is. I also would like to say part of what I hate about Infofy is the amount of time that it takes to talk about Infofy.
[1:31:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Listen. We talk about where the money is. We wanna help you make a little bit of money money. Know. Like, we'll have... We'll find... I'm sure we'll find some time to to talk about hyper liquid. Yeah. I know. Monica, go for it.
[1:32:06] Moni @monitalan: I'm laughing so much. I'm I actually think I forgot what I was gonna say. No. Look. I think, ultimately, you're right. I... Empress completely agree. It's another option for making money on crypto. But, again, I think also look at the bigger picture of if you wanna be a content creator, it's a wake... Great way to build a reputation.
[1:32:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Amy, go for it.
[1:32:33] Voice M: Okay. I just wanted to chip in. Out of the three major platforms like Sky to watching a cookie, I feel I feel Cookie Cookie is the... Is very easy as a small account because they may only just use engagements. As long as you can find engagements for your tweets, then you are definitely going to end Snaps but it's different for Kiteu. And... Because you have to... And you have to... You you have to reach the threshold to enter any leaderboard, but it's... For for cookies, separate. As long as you can end and you can farm engagements or get engagements on your Tweets, then you definitely end Snaps and, you know, eventually enter the leaderboard.
[1:33:19] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Great stuff, Dave. I'm sorry. I saw Alex just joined. Alex, I really wanna know, girl. Are you cracking and yapping and amplifying? Are you joining the crew on this? It's Man.
[1:33:34] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: Like like an awesome... Like, one... Oh, hold on one second. Oh, no. Hold on. So my my kid is... She's got, like, the the best of all possible homework assignment. What? It's a coloring math assignment. Dude, like, why can't all work be coloring based? It's literally coloring. I like coloring. It's it's like if it's... If something is in the hundreds place, color it blue. Don't like coloring.
[1:34:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: If it's something is
[1:34:04] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: in the tens place, All homework should be coloring based. I'm like, you have the best possible homework assignment. Whatever. I don't like coloring.... Not understand what being a grown up is.
[1:34:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think she doesn't like coloring, Alex. I I think I'm a go with she doesn't like the color.
[1:34:19] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: I I I... I've done something wrong in my parenting. I'm just saying. I... Seriously... I'm like... I I think I'm kinda like Kira. Like, she she doesn't... Her hand always hurts. Yeah. My my kids just don't appreciate. Like like, seriously, after after paying bills, my hand always hurts too along with my head, my wallet. Everything hurts. I like coloring. Whatever.
[1:34:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. Listen.
[1:34:43] Kool @koolcryptovc: Like, you
[1:34:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: better take those crayons away. She does not wanna color out.
[1:34:46] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: My my kids don't understand. I'm like, this is this is the... This is, like, the gold standard thing. Homework. This is the gold standard homework. So I am not, like, in... I am not in, like, I am not not not doing all of the DeFi that you guys are are doing here now. I haven't actually investigated the... This, so I haven't I haven't done it right now. So... But I was reading actually some of this... The the meta be stuff that that was posted up here on all of the different standards for influencer stuff, which I thought was fascinating, to be honest. All of those... That... There's one post that breaks down all of these different standards for for who's an influencer and what they what they measure and what gains you popularity, which I thought was actually a really well done set of posts. And it has, like, no traction, which I think is ridiculous, which once again is like, this is bogus popularity. Right? Information that's useful is way down on the list of what makes you seen and and reposted, retweeted, you know, like known. And I was just having this conversation today with a friend of mine who's a VC. And we were talking about this in terms of, you know, like, where people are are are spending money in terms of marketing and and where... You know, like, what the future of marketing is because we were talking about KOL spending has been dropping for a while, and we were talking about where where spends were going. And and actually, the interesting... We didn't have, like, this discussion about metrics, but this this... You know, that post would have actually been something that I would have brought up if I'd seen it earlier. But but one of the things that we were talking about is that, most influencers don't have proper metrics. And I said one of the biggest problems with people spending any money at all on influencers is that their metrics are nonexistent. They're these very general metrics that are about, like, engagement, but not really about conversion. And I said, you know, so the spend is basically, you know, it's like, you know, giant flush is is is what you hear when you spend money for these things. So VCs right now, a lot of them are going through this sort of, you know, like, when you when you put money into a company, you have to think about the use of proceeds. And part of that money, we know, even though we don't wanna talk about it, we know that a lot of that is going to go into some type of marketing. And, and and whether or not it's in, you know, web three, web two, some combination thereof, we have to think what is the best way to get and keep attention? And this is becoming harder and harder no matter where you are. And trying to figure out where people listen, who they listen to, about what, for how long, how does that factor into their decision making. These are things that are changing, and we don't have enough real understanding of how that change is really factoring into decision making. So I'd love to see, like, a compilation of posts like Metabeast.
[1:38:23] 𝑬𝑴𝑷𝓇𝑒𝓈𝓈⋮ @Hope_ology: You should do... Yeah.
[1:38:25] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: Metabeast, you should do, like, a compilation of the data that you've pulled and stuff like that, like like, all these different ways that people are are looking at metrics. All of these different all these different applications, all the different platforms, and what they're basing their popularity standards on, and how that converts to more than just engagement, how that converts to revenue. Because one of the biggest problems is these platforms can have high, you know, user data and even in some level engagement data, but they have really crap conversion data, right, or conversion metrics whatsoever. So when it comes down to it, when you've got a company that needs people to do something, there are very few places where there are people that, other people will listen to and then commit a call to action. And that's really, the big question is who listens to who for what? And and that that that information really isn't anywhere to be had. People would pay a fortune for that kind of information. So, there's... There are people who pretend to have that kind of information, but it's not really there because it's so... It's really much more finely cut, I think, than, than what we have so far is, like, you know, like, this is a crypto influencer. Well, crypto influence doesn't really work like that. Right? There are people who are influential in terms of, like, you know, general information, I guess, about crypto. There are people who influence a certain segment of retail. There are people who influence a certain segment of professional traders. There are people who influence a certain segment of whales. There are people who influence a certain segment of institutional buyers and quibs and and, you know, qualified purchasers and things like that. Like, there are people who influence different segments populations. That stuff never gets really broken down because so much of the influencer, segment is also, like, retail in nature. They don't really break down who their audience is and what they're influencing specifically. So I would love to see more data on that kind of stuff. I just thought that was such a great tweet. I was like, I coulda used this, like, a few hours ago.
[1:41:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Meta we retweeted you. We retweeted you, Meta Beast. Thank you for pointing it out, Alex. Because I'm telling them, put it on our radar, because a lot of shit we don't see half the times. We don't see it come across our timeline. So, Meta Beast, you have this platform here. Pin it to the top. Tell people here to obviously take a look at it. Retweet and whatnot. So, yeah, good shit.
[1:41:29] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: It's up there. It's up there.
[1:41:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. We gotta know. You gotta you gotta say something about it.
[1:41:33] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: And I was trying to clip Alex so I could remember what she was saying. She would like to see more of as far as my post, and then
[1:41:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'll pull it to you.
[1:41:41] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Kick... X just crashed on me.
[1:41:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: I will... We'll pull the audiograms. Don't worry about it. We'll... We we have the transcripts. Don't don't stress. Landy, go for it.
[1:41:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. So, Alex, I think you're referring to x specifically in this case because there's really robust metrics and conversions and click through and watch time and mind share and and region and stuff like that. It's just not on x. It's on platforms like YouTube and TikTok and, Instagram to a certain extent. And many of the larger influencers in that space also have media management companies or or, you know, influencer management companies or just managers who, who also track each individual campaign for all of their different sponsors and and help with connection to sponsors and managing sponsorship relations relationships with all of that data. And it's just the problem is Twitter and now X has had really awful, awful, awful astroturfed numbers on the back end. And when they went to clean it up the first time before Elon got in, they made a mess of it. And then they tried to redo the analytics system. And, since x, you know, since x was... Became x under Elon, it hasn't gotten any better. If anything, they've just added more crap to it that isn't tracking correctly, so it makes it very difficult. But that kind of stuff is out there. It's just that in this small crypto sphere on x, it is almost nonexistent. Right? And then it makes it very difficult. That's one of the reasons why, these these InfoFi platforms came to be. It's like, well, fight over it and see how much pull you really have, and we'll adjust the metrics on the back end with AI to figure out if your engagement is real or not. And that's what many are are... That's kind of what we were just talking about prior.
[1:43:39] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: Yeah. So I missed your prior discussion, but, a lot of those metrics from YouTube... See, this is one of the biggest problems, though, is that in the era, pre TiVo and and, like, the ability to stream and things like that, we had a huge amount of the ability to understand the data of advertising. But the truth is that our ability to capture information other than watch time, right, and some amount of conversion related to watch time is is very small. The... I mean, our ability to to really be able to convert because we don't have the ability to capture attention and, and and convert the way we used to. There isn't the ability to put in the... Put the closed box around that we used to. So one of the biggest issues has been if we can't capture attention with banners, with with commercials, with forced ads, with paid ads, or ads that you watch to get extra points or gems or whatever it is, if we can't give you bonuses to watch ads, if we can't sponsor spaces and make you, you know, more engaged if the if the person that we're sponsoring talks to you about what we're doing, if we can't, you know, sponsor spaces and have the... Some third party read the sponsoring thing. Like, what is it... Like, if if if everybody is more immune to advertising, what is it that gets people to do things? We are extremely jaded. So trusted voices, are few and far between. The ability to get people to do things is actually very difficult. So the data isn't actually as persuasive as it used to be. What it tells you isn't necessarily the same thing that it told you prior to streaming and the ability to move away from whatever it is. Like, it's... Watch time doesn't actually reflect what it used to. Right? Conversions don't happen nearly at the rate that they used to, and conversions don't reflect, for example, chargebacks or things like that. Like, sometimes they'll say, okay. Well, this particular promotion got this particular number of, purchases, but often people will actually forget to link them to chargebacks. Because this is one of the biggest problems is that, people will purchase, they'll get the benefit or whatever, and then they'll return whatever it is because they just wanted the benefit. People aren't dumb. Right? We've got a very jaded population. And we have a big problem with, we don't like ads. It's like this, this arms race that we have right now where, we have ad blockers and we have ads. And then we have, we have the ads paying the ad blockers to get through the ad blockers. Right? I don't know if people know that that happens, but there's actually agreements between ads and ad blockers to be, to to be able to get through the ad blocker. They pay them to be be able to, like, get through. And then, so we have this sort of, like, arms race, and it doesn't even matter if the ad gets through because people don't pay attention to it anyway. It's like white noise now. But on the other hand, we want things to be free, or we wanna not have to pay for things. So we have this sort of we have this sort of stalemate because we we don't want to pay for things. Right? We don't want to have something that's... That we're taxed so that the government pays for it. We don't wanna pay for something by subscription. But at the same time, we're very irritated by ads. We don't want any of these things that would cover the cost of the service that we're getting. So we have a big problem right now, and it's becoming a huge problem because now the cost of ads to keep attention is getting closer and closer to, like, Super Bowl style ads. Right? They have to be over the top in order to gain attention and morality so people will notice them. It's actually a really big issue. So, anyway, it's it's something it's something to note that not anybody can be, like, a... An opinion leader or or an influencer. Right? That's not something that everybody can do anymore. And it's not just on x, and it's not just on Instagram or anything like that. That era, is leaving. That's that's like a... An old era now. The idea that anybody with an opinion can just come in and, say, look. I have this TV. It's a great TV. Buy this TV. And people will say, that's so beautiful. And, of course, I... I'm gonna buy this TV too. That's not happening anymore. Now it's... It has to be something unique and and something trusted. Trust is the commodity that we can't find. And how do we gain trust? Sometimes trust is gained through a scam, and and sometimes trust is genuine. And people can't always tell the difference, and this is this is another one of our big problems. So, anyway, there's a lot in there in terms of how how peep... How businesses can stay alive, how we can keep the services that we have, and how how we can trust the word of other people that, what they recommend is truly what they recommend. So, anyway, it's an interesting era.
[1:49:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: You better start coming earlier. That's all I'm saying. You better start showing up a little bit earlier. That's all I gotta say about you because you give amazing takes. But I gotta... But I'm hungry. I gotta eat. You know? Yeah. Bet you just went there.
[1:50:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: I started eating cereal. But, Alex, you are
[1:50:06] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: Why can't you do this later, man? I gotta pick up your kids.
[1:50:10] NatNat @Natnatx007: Alex, you are right on. And, you know, my issue with Instagram is it's too much content. It's the. Like, I... Every time I scroll, it's like some other shit. Somebody has to... It's like a content manager. I don't know if you guys have Instagram where you're on it a lot, but there is this... It's like a trend. Right? Someone starts from a video when it gets a lot of likes, and then you have, like, multiple other individuals repeating the same thing, the same ad, the same... It's it's a lot. So I think when it comes to algorithms and x's algorithm, I think just like x has to fine tune theirs, Instagram has to do the same.
[1:50:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Agreed. Metabee, save your bit for next... For tomorrow. Bring both of your bits for tomorrow. We'll see if we can get them done, like, earlier on, and we'll cook this up. But I think, like, the info fight combo was definitely important for us to have today. I liked it. I genuinely did like it. I think it was educational. We gave everybody a ton of resources. Guys, obviously, check all the pinned tweets at the top. There's a bevy of information. And... Guys, go check out. Cool's obviously doing his stream now. Nat, did you learn some stuff today, hopefully, on some information
[1:51:17] NatNat @Natnatx007: or I did. I feel like I got the gist of it. I do admit I feel like I'm a little bit late, but with the tunnel stuff, I feel like we're we're right on time. So I see you posted the link. I'm gonna check it out. I'm gonna download the wallet, and we're gonna get it cracking.
[1:51:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And I... I'm actually testing out. There was, like, a a a sample... One of the boost ones for, like, a creator that actually went up that I accepted. And I'm actually gonna do it now. So I'll be able to report on it, obviously, tomorrow, which could be really, really cool. So, yeah, tune in tomorrow. I'm gonna try and get Morgan on here with us as well so he can come through. Alex, I appreciate you. Emp, as always, of course. Zami, thank you for coming. For real. I appreciate it. Meta Beast, Eamon, shot you... Both you guys to follow, and everybody obviously that keeps tuning in here. Yo. Y'all are the best listeners, the best crew, and the best community, man. I appreciate y'all, and we'll see y'all tomorrow, man. Peace.
[1:52:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Better bees.
[1:52:08] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let's go fucking.
[1:52:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thank you.
[1:52:13] Justus_teleios @Justus_teleios: I have an econ in market space tomorrow. Come join me.
[1:52:16] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'll be there.