All Things Crypto: Trac Network Alpha

# All Things Crypto: Trac Network Alpha | 2025-10-09 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1mrxmBlVpaQKy | status: approved
# Speaker names are voice-match candidates, unconfirmed unless marked confirmed.

[0:00:01] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: What
[0:00:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: up, Taz? Let's go.
[0:00:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: What up,. What up, no credits?
[0:00:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Little reread that.
[0:01:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wanna feel old? This was fourteen years ago. Fourteen years ago. Uh-huh.
[0:02:05] NatNat @Natnatx007: No wonder I
[0:02:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: don't know that song. No.
[0:02:09] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Lies.
[0:02:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not lies. No.
[0:02:13] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: What Nat Nat said.
[0:02:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Driving up to the house. It was good.
[0:02:35] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Hey. Homegrown's here.
[0:03:12] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Please know.
[0:03:32] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: The chains and whipsic side. Oh,
[0:03:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: no. Man. Feeling man.
[0:03:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Himself right now.
[0:03:40] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Not the song I requested, but it's good anyway.
[0:04:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Hold on. Oh, that was that last one.
[0:04:10] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let's go fucking.
[0:04:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, until the end. Wait till the end.
[0:04:14] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yes. No. No. That deserved one. It it did.
[0:04:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: It definitely did. You can't argue. Fair enough. Fair enough. What's up, everybody? Happy Thursday, aka the straggler day of the week where it takes everybody forever to get into all things crypto. In
[0:04:31] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: their defense, there has been a few last few days where, things did not quite start as planned.
[0:04:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is true. This is very, very true. And I feel like it's already starting again because now I'm inviting people and people are accepting, and I only see people as listener, and it's weird.
[0:04:48] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Beaumont will not be here today, though. Who? Coma? Coma. Yes. He has a pre... Prior engagement.
[0:04:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ah, okay. Thank you. That's good to know. But...
[0:04:58] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. The message he sent read something about beard, dinner, and wedding.
[0:05:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: What? Beard, dinner, and
[0:05:05] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: A welcome wedding dinner or some crazy stuff, but, you know, whatever.
[0:05:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Who's getting married nowadays? That's crazy work. Who the hell does that? Beard, wedding, and dinner. That is insane.
[0:05:16] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I know. But did you hear Dave? They're gatekeeping sex. Who? I don't know all the sexes.
[0:05:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, the sexes. I get it. C e x. Oh, Metabees is funny. He is a funny one. Yeah. But, today's been a day. Yes. I did take an old man nap. Yes. You guys did get lucky because my niece came to wake me up and was like, hey. What are you doing? Can I come in? About, like, ten minutes ago. And I was like, oh, good call. Because, yes, I did take a nap. Let me tell you guys. Running spaces and especially impromptu spaces now, I'm tired. I get tired. Like, ninety minutes of a space of telling people where they are in a leaderboard is exhausting. Exhausting. But, you know, hopefully, it helps some people today. Was... I ran the the sump pump space, then I went to Nat's TDX space, which apparently is now Nat's TDX space, which is kinda dope. Like, which I love seeing. But, yeah, man. Welcome, everybody. Let's get into... Let's start cooking, but let me say what's up. Cool. What's good? You good?
[0:06:19] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. What's going? How you guys doing? Happy Thursday. Let's go. Ready.
[0:06:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's do it. Let's go. Let's go. Nat, what's cooking? What's up? You've been busy today too.
[0:06:27] NatNat @Natnatx007: Absolutely. We've been cooking all week long. It's been a good day. TDX was a great... Was was a great space. We had over 19,000 listeners. I was invited last minute to cohost. I'm like, absolutely. I woke up. I was I was feeding the baby around, like, three in the morning, and I saw that message. I was like, you know what? Hell yeah. Let's do it. And it was a vibe. I can't wait to host again with Vanessa... With Banana. And thank you so much, Dave, for coming through. You had some really, really good takes. Like, you carried the conversation. It was really beautiful to see. But besides that, we've been cooking. Lots of news to cover. Long is... Long has got liquidated this week. Short's got liquidated last week on BTC. Very interesting moment on the timeline. Let's go.
[0:07:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. We also got a special guest here, which I'm gonna say what's up to in a second, but let me see. Ex Poor ex fact. He has no idea where he's out on the lead... Did somebody tell him where he's out on the leaderboard, or he still doesn't know?
[0:07:18] NatNat @Natnatx007: 88.
[0:07:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Somebody told
[0:07:20] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: him That's a good number. That's a very good number.
[0:07:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's a good number. That's alright. Wait. Is it really 88,008
[0:07:25] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I 80
[0:07:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: don't even know if that's real. Like, you're not... You just made that shit up? Yep. Yo. X factor, she made that up, bro. That's crazy work. X factor, what's up? You driving hell
[0:07:38] xFactor @xFactorPOL: with traffic? Yeah. What's... You know, what's up?
[0:07:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: X factor, don't you dare give me the silent treatment. I will kick.
[0:07:46] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You know he created chat GBTO?
[0:07:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I saw that chat GBTO. That was funny. Although, I couldn't see it because I'm in Canada, and, apparently, there's country restrictions. To the Canadians, I feel you. I don't know what the hell is going on.
[0:07:57] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Like, that was know.
[0:07:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: And they're like, oh, don't you know? Oh, don't you know? X Factor, are you there?
[0:08:05] NatNat @Natnatx007: He said to give him a minute. He's crying about what I just said. Mommy at X Factor. I'm sorry.
[0:08:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Don't come off mute now. Let me introduce my guest. Who we got behind the track net account? Talk to me. What's up?
[0:08:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hello to the track network. Hello?
[0:08:26] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Engagement farming.
[0:08:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. Not engagement farming. They're our special guests.
[0:08:31] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Oh my gosh. I'm back. Did I miss my intro?
[0:08:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: I knew he was gonna do it. I knew he was gonna cut it off. I knew it. Knew. What? What happened? What I do? Zip it up. Track network?
[0:08:44] Voice C: Hello. Do you guys hear me? Or or
[0:08:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. We got you. We got you. We got you. What's up?
[0:08:49] Voice C: What up? Up? GM, GN, and GA. How's it going, guys? How's it going? Thank you for having us.
[0:08:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. 100%, my brother. 100%. Give us a a quick little intro, if you will, on you guys. We're gonna let you guys kinda... I'll give you kind of the format or whatever, but just give a quick intro on you guys, and then we'll we'll we'll come back around.
[0:09:07] Voice C: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Thanks again for for having us. We are a track network. We're part of a... The track systems kind of a holding company. We've done a lot in this space, but right now, we're really focused on this this endeavor endeavor with an... With our l one. So l one network, peer to peer. So we... We're using Whole Punch Tech. I... I'm not sure if, if you guys are familiar with Whole Punch, but they're the guys behind USDT. And we're using their their tech as far as, like, peer to peer. And we've created already a couple apps on our side... On our, like, you know, subnets, not necessarily on the main net, and we're going live in about two weeks. And, yeah, some exciting things are happening in the back end with, this, with us going live. And, you know, that's, like, kinda high level, but, you know, really excited to be here with you guys. Big fan of Dave and and really, enjoy just kinda sitting in and listening to some of these spaces on my personal account. So I was able to, you know, try to get get a hold of you guys, get in touch, and now here just kinda kicking it with you. So thanks again for having us.
[0:10:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah, man. A 100%. Welcome, brother. Love having you here. Feel free. You know how we run things over here. It's essentially... We're gonna go through a bunch of the news, market market talk, see what we got in the InfoFy world, and then I'm, I definitely put aside some time for you at the end to, you know, give us a, like, like, a full rundown and us to be able to maybe ask some questions on exactly what you guys got guys got cooking, and then we can dig a little bit deeper. Okay? Let's go. Love it. X factor. How are you, sir? Hey.
[0:10:45] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Good good day, sir. I I love that you sound a a lot better after your refreshing nap. This is good. And and I apologize for intruding on on our guest. I I couldn't hear. Like, the first twenty seconds I I joined on the damn space, like, my mic goes crazy. It's it's weird. I must be, like, semi allergic to Dave or something. I'm not sure, but great to be here, and looking forward
[0:11:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: to chopping it up with you guys like always. Did anybody tell you where you're at on the, on the leaderboard or not yet, bro? What's the deal? Anybody tell you what you're at? That's what
[0:11:15] xFactor @xFactorPOL: you sound like, by the way. Don't if you've heard yourself. No, bro. Nobody's told me where I've been on the leaderboard, and and it's and it's okay. It's okay. I'm just gonna keep on doing the alignment thing
[0:11:24] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: and wherever I ended up.
[0:11:26] NatNat @Natnatx007: Well, You know what? You've taken a few steps back, like, like, 88 or one eighty eight, some crazy numb... I'm kidding. I have no idea where you are. They were... His ex partner on the leaderboard.
[0:11:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's been working. He's
[0:11:40] NatNat @Natnatx007: he's been putting the workings.
[0:11:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: He doesn't follow directions. That's the problem with these people... These with these kids nowadays.
[0:11:45] xFactor @xFactorPOL: I've never been one to follow directions, my guy.
[0:11:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Sorry.
[0:11:48] xFactor @xFactorPOL: That's a... It's just not Yeah.
[0:11:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: They don't follow directions, Nat. Like, I try and I I try and teach these kids the right way to do things. You know? Like, I'm trying to be a good parent. You know? I'd be like, listen. You gotta you gotta do things this way, but nobody wants to listen. CT's got an attention problem. That's the thing. I don't know.
[0:12:02] NatNat @Natnatx007: I've been in TikTok.
[0:12:04] xFactor @xFactorPOL: It's not it's not the CT, bro. It's just like when you when you live in, you know, in a certain, geographical location and you have to deal with certain, demographic of women, you just you just evolve and learn
[0:12:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: how my god. To be
[0:12:17] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: fair enough. Like, my east might be your west. Woman's fault.
[0:12:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: You That come with It's always the women's fault, man.
[0:12:24] xFactor @xFactorPOL: You ladies turn us into... You you ladies you ladies evolve us into what we become.
[0:12:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's all it is. Wow. Wow. Listening to top
[0:12:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: line x factor. Okay?
[0:12:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: You still want me to tell
[0:12:35] Voice C: him where he's
[0:12:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: at on the... You're boarding. So Exactly. He doesn't deserve that. Anyways, let's jump into it.
[0:12:40] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Hi, Derek.
[0:12:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let let let me say hi to Metabees first also before I get my my ass chewed out. Metabees, what's up?
[0:12:45] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yes. That was a very wise decision today because I am in a mood. People are... My timeline is full of... And so is the DMs of Coinbase, who has me very upset today. MetaMask launched perps. X factor says he's tried it. I had a whole bunch of stuff, and I forgot most of it. So you're lucky.
[0:13:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't know what that
[0:13:09] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Meta MetaMask perps are looking good,
[0:13:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: by the way.
[0:13:12] xFactor @xFactorPOL: I did try them this morning. Smooth, seamless. I like it.
[0:13:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, interesting. I mean, via hyperliquid. I mean, we did cover that, like, two days ago, but, welcome to today, guys, where there's, all new stories, for us to cover. But, you
[0:13:24] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: know Did it launch two days ago, or is it just launching today?
[0:13:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. A couple days ago, actually. We announced it, and it was live.
[0:13:31] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Perp launched the day, dude. Or last night, the update went live on the app that you had to download it.
[0:13:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: So Uh-huh. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
[0:13:38] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
[0:13:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Whatever helps you sleep at the end of the day. You know? But let's get.
[0:13:42] xFactor @xFactorPOL: I guess I guess the Snickers bar wasn't big enough. Dave's still a little grumpy, wumpy No. Today for the five minutes. I actually feel fit
[0:13:49] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Try one with almonds.
[0:13:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Almonds. You hear these? Yes. You hear Very heart healthy. Is that correct?
[0:13:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: Almonds or almonds? Because I've been hearing too...
[0:13:58] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Almonds. It's almonds.
[0:13:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: Almonds. It's almonds for sure. Almonds or almonds? Do you pronounce the l or do you swallow it?
[0:14:04] xFactor @xFactorPOL: All men... Almonds is not what we're talking about, Nat. It's it's definitely almonds. Right? That's it. Like, this... There's no there's no... We're not gonna argue
[0:14:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: how you say almonds.
[0:14:14] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Aluminium. Using?
[0:14:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Aluminium. Yeah.
[0:14:19] Voice C: That's where you live in in The US. You know? Yeah. In the South, we say almonds.
[0:14:23] Voice D: So
[0:14:24] Voice C: Almonds. Pronounce it l. You know?
[0:14:26] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: The one with those oval shaped nuts.
[0:14:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Of course, would take the opportunity. Nat, kick us off. Tell me what's going on. I see silver at all time highs, $50 an ounce, still cooking. What's the deal out here? Give me the macro picture.
[0:14:39] NatNat @Natnatx007: No. I am... Like I said yesterday, right, the price is not... It... It's not controlled. It is breaking out out of that multiyear cup and handle, which we mentioned yesterday, and we saw the floodgates open on silver today. Right? It's still in that lineup, gold, silver, net... Oil, and natural gas. So we definitely need to see our... Keep our eyes out on that. The other macro news is, again, today, they were... Trump sat with the Democrats, and they spoke about the probability of reopening the government, but there was no deal made. We're still at a stalemate. So let's see. Things are looking very, very interesting. We are on day nine. We have silver running, gold taking a breather, BTC taking a breather. Now the question is when we see gold pick back up, does BTC follow? And if BTC follows, is it going to do that catch up play, that massive breakout to follow gold? Because if it is, that would put BTC at a massive, massive all time high.
[0:15:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It's... I mean, there's so many different catalysts that are cooking out. Yeah. I saw I saw Arthur Hayes also talking about TradFi's new narrative is is the, quote, debasement trade. He says he expects banks to sell gold, crypto, and tech derivatives to clients after nearly twenty years, which is kinda nuts, but it's exactly what we were talking about, obviously, like, other day, specifically, like, with Polymarket. Yeah, Metabees. Go for
[0:16:09] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I remembered something. Yeah. So nobody cares that about my gripe about Coinbase. People who I'm adding for my aligner stuff, there's... They're not... Why are they not on my mindshare?
[0:16:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't understand what you're saying. But... From left field, but you... Yeah.
[0:16:31] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: So I have a gripe about Coinbase. And the people that I... When I do a post, I add certain people, but they're not on my mind share. Shouldn't they be?
[0:16:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. They should. And that's that's been... You know what, Meta Beast? You bring up a great point. Dave, the devs need to do something. The devs have not done anything just yet.
[0:16:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, you're going
[0:16:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: to cry. To do something
[0:16:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: because... Oh, dear. What you meant. Giving you guys shit.
[0:16:55] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Want me to cry, I'll cry.
[0:16:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm never giving you guys any insight ever again. They they definitely need to do something. Just... Can we get through some stories first? You do something. You do something.
[0:17:09] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You want me to work? What?
[0:17:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exactly. Work. What's the gripe with Coinbase real quick? What what...
[0:17:14] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: This is Coinbase. What happened? I understand, and I know that there have been times depending on which form of payment I use to purchase crypto that it gets put on a
[0:17:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: hold. Okay. Yeah.
[0:17:27] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I purchased some yesterday, and I had to buy again. And then I noticed, oh, they're going on hold. What the hell? So I went to do a third one, making sure it was the usual payment route I take and even looked, and it said your funds will be available to you immediately. They lied.
[0:17:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No. No. You have to read the fine print. That's, like, rule number. That's, like, literally, like, crypto one zero one. If you use Coinbase, okay, if you fund it from your checking account, okay, they need seven to eight days in order for those funds to clear. Your funds will stay... They're available for you Now on Coinbase. Let me That's the fine print.
[0:18:12] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let me let me mention also in the hour or so long chat that I refused to leave, which they did hang up on me base... They just disconnected me. And I did not use a cuss word at all, Nat Nat. You would've been proud. I remain... I try... I wanted to. I wanted to very badly. I said no.
[0:18:33] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: They even... They flat out... They said they got it. It's for my security, whatever. And they have to make sure that the funds are there. They flat out told me they have the money. I said then... Because I told them, then cancel my third one because I would not have made that third buy had it not told me they will be... It would be available to me instantly. And I am not new to Coinbase, so, yes, I understand that. That's why I started with that opener that there are there are some particular payments that that happens.
[0:19:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: How did you fund it? Check on your account?
[0:19:07] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Now I don't remember. All I know is that when I... Before I hit the buy button, it told me my funds would be available to me immediately. I never changed my form of payment from the other times I bought it, which wasn't that long ago. So I don't understand what has changed now that this is occurring. Yeah.
[0:19:28] NatNat @Natnatx007: So met... MetaBees, it def... It's like what Dave is saying. Right? So you... If it's... If you're if you're, depositing it from your checking account, technically, they they have up to seven business days legally, seven to ten business days to hold and and keep the funds without us doing... Being able to do anything
[0:19:45] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: They they have to make sure that the fund... They get the funds. They flat out told me they have the funds because I told them
[0:19:52] Voice M: that Hold on.
[0:19:52] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Can't... Please cancel the last transaction.
[0:19:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know who you're talking to, Meta Beast, when you go to... Like, when you literally go to to to to the chat. You're literally talking to an outs... An outsourced, like
[0:20:02] NatNat @Natnatx007: Correct.
[0:20:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Customer service team in India, bro. Correct. Yes. I know. That's why just reading from the paper.
[0:20:07] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's why I told them. They told me, you know, there's nothing we can... Nothing can be done. I said then, yes. Someone somewhere can do something because that's the case in every situation. Is there somebody that can do something, they just choose not to?
[0:20:20] NatNat @Natnatx007: Well, Meta Beast, have you contacted your bank? If you really want those funds back back, you know you can contact your bank and and open a claim. Right? And then the bank will do all the work for you in the bank.
[0:20:30] Kool @koolcryptovc: But but
[0:20:30] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: by then, it's by then, it's probably October 15 and I have my funds.
[0:20:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Exactly. So stop complaining. No. Know the rules.
[0:20:36] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I will never.
[0:20:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Move on. Yeah. Exactly. Know the rules.
[0:20:40] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Fund I do know the know.
[0:20:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: From your PayPal account. Fund from your PayPal account. Fund from your PayPal account. End of story. Fight me. Like, that's... Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Next. Guys, BNB. What is the deal? What is going on with Binance? I am seeing Binance and Mindshare everywhere that I look across my timeline. That that that that 4 meme coin is now going crazy. I saw CZ in the space with Baroque and Mario. What?
[0:21:11] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: All I see is Coinbase.
[0:21:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Of course, all you see is Coinbase. But the BNB mindshare is literally taking over. Cool. Are you seeing this with me, by the way? Like, BNB... The BNB mindshare is... I mean, I feel like BNB's on... Like, I see Astrospaces everywhere now. Like, are you guys seeing the same thing that I'm seeing or no?
[0:21:28] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. No. Yes. I I agree. It's it is violent season right now. I think that there was a small rotation, probably some eat and some soul into BNB. But, anyway, you're right, though. I think I'm not... I think... Well, yeah, it was Asta. Asta was what started this. Asta is at a at a... Like, a hyper liquid version on on on on on On BNB. Yeah. On BNB. And I think that hype has brought brought people into the ecosystem. So if you go into a couple of plays early, you're doing very, very well. But, yeah, man, I think that's where the party is right now. Mean, we we go through this all the time, and and it'll be... It was Cardano for a while, then it was Solana, then it was Zeed. Now it actually own Bitcoin too. Now, BNB, has a, you know, all coin season on BNB right now. So that's pretty cool. As a matter of fact, actually, ma'am, I made a tweet about this. My friend, he had 1,000, BNB, and he sold it for $7 four years ago... Five years ago. That BNB now is worth $1,300,000, man. This dude is in absolute agony right now in pain. So, yeah, it is BNB season. So
[0:22:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: Also credit CZ. Right? When c c z started posting about his involvement in Aster, we saw Aster take off massively, right, when they mentioned that former Binance individuals are behind Aster that helped catapult it higher. Right? And the fact that CZ is now being active since he... Because even when he got out... When he was in prison, he got out of prison. He was still a little bit silent. He would pull some stuff here and there, but he wasn't as active as he is now. And now that he's active, he's, like, bull posting Aster and talk about B and B. I I I think that that has helped the movement a little bit too.
[0:23:17] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Flu season.
[0:23:21] Voice M: There's a company... What's up, guys?
[0:23:23] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Hey, DJ Dave. How are you?
[0:23:25] Voice M: Our company just bought, like, $3,000,000,000 worth of BNB. And BNB bought some stable coin. I can't remember the article exactly, but that's what started to push. But the thing that blew my mind was how fast the fucking shit coins blew up on BNB after it started to pump. I mean, it was crazy.
[0:23:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: I I think that was the tweet. What's up, Dave? I think that was the tweet essentially where b... I I I remember the tweet from CZ essentially saying, it's BNB meme coin season. Like, legit, he literally tweeted that. And, yeah, there was a digital asset treasury company that bought... I think they're... They now hold over a billion dollars of BNB, which essentially makes them... Or no. Four... It was $464,000,000 of BNB, which now makes them, like, the largest digital asset treasury company for BNB ever. And I I don't... I generally don't think people understand, like, how BNB, like, actually operates. Right? Like, BNB is massively deflationary. They're constantly burning BNB tokens. So, like, this coin is going to continue to run, and you're talking about literally,
[0:24:37] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: like,
[0:24:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: the biggest exchange on the planet... Crypto exchange on the planet. They're doing crazy numbers, crazy revenue. So I think this is just the beginning for BNB. Excuse me. BNB. But... Yeah.
[0:24:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: And DJ Dave, if you wanna make up for all the shit coins you lost money on, here's the place to be because these guys will... I'm just... Trust me.
[0:24:59] Voice M: Yep. I need to. So I'm definitely sitting in here, bro.
[0:25:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Good stuff. Guys, you know what I also saw today? BlackRock now owns 804,000 BTC. That is literally almost a $100,000,000,000 in Bitcoin. Like, we said that we wanted ETFs. We said we wanted the institutions. Everybody's here. Now they're offering it obviously, like, you know, to to to the quote normies or or or or the tradified world is now offering this. Do we like this? Because, we talk about Sailor all the time, but BlackRock now owns more than Sailor does. Like, just, like, for this. Are we scared at all? I have to ask this every time. Like, cool. Not... Are we scared at all for any of this? You you
[0:25:48] Voice C: know what?
[0:25:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: Cool. Go ahead.
[0:25:50] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm... No. No. Say, I I mean, you... Are you scared? Like, I don't understand. Like, you said... So BlackRock owns everything. They own all the homes. Are you scared of buying a house? They own all the gold. Are you scared of buying gold? They own everything. Like, there's nothing you could do. Like, it's... It doesn't make any sense, so you can't... It makes no sense to to even talk about this. I mean, it's good to talk because it's it's Bitcoin, but, I mean, this is nothing new. They own all the coin base. I mean, oh, a lot of it. They own a bunch of micro strategy. They do this to to control things. That's what that's all it's about. And and that's it. So I don't know. It's it's not bad. It's not good. I mean, it's what it is. I... There's nothing we could do about BlackRock owning Bitcoin. It's... They're not gonna stop. This is what they
[0:26:33] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Can you rule the world if you own enough Bitcoin?
[0:26:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. So that's my point. Right? Like, cool. Like, they can own gold. They don't have the monopoly on gold. Right? Like, they can own houses. They don't have the monopoly on houses. They own a lot of them. Right? But with Bitcoin and finite supply, I guess that's always my question.
[0:26:48] Kool @koolcryptovc: They're pretty close to owning owning a lot of the homes, I mean, that... That's... I mean, it's not just them. Right? Them and Fidelity, you know, the other big money bags. That's why housing prices aren't really going down right now. Right? So... But, yeah, it's it's it's not gonna stop, and it's... It it could be bad then if they decide to start dumping Bitcoin like crazy, which I don't think they will. If... As long as long as they're making their money. So they... I think their their entry into into Bitcoin was, like... Was it, like, 40 k, 50 k? It's not gonna stop, man. If they... And especially now, I think that there might there might be some staking with this or earning yield on Bitcoin. They're they're not incentivized to sell this thing because if if it's... You know, there's low supply, it's just gonna keep going up. And I and I think that's the reason... I mean, in the last... I I did I did some of show yesterday. In in the last eleven days, there's been over... Between 11 to $14,000,000,000 worth of ETI buys. They're buying at a $120, which means they believe... As a matter of fact, Vannek put a report out saying Bitcoin's probably gonna go to 604... $606,144 grand, which means if they're buying at these prices, they expect higher higher price. When they're buying at 4 k e, they're buying Bitcoin over 100 k. So they they don't they don't think this is going down anytime soon. So I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't I don't think we should worry about what BlackRock is doing, man, because we don't we have no control over this, man.
[0:28:16] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: No. Can we get someone from BlackRock in here?
[0:28:20] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know what? That that would be great. But I I... Two two points to to to add, Dave. I think for me, the... It it it begs the question, you know, when they are ready... If they can use that large amount to manipulate the market. Probably, yes. And is this is this something that Bitcoin was designed for? Probably, no. But like who said, right, this is where we are, and there's not much we can we can do about it. Right? But the the the second point I wanted to make is this is why it's also important for us to do our own research and and and make our own decisions because remember when Bitcoin was at 3,000 and everyone was screaming that don't buy it, it's going to go away. Meanwhile, they're loading up at, 40,000. And if we were loading up at 3,000, I'm sure we would be way ahead. Right? So it's kinda up to us as well to, like, really dig into these things and and make our own decisions because we... If if you were... If you saw BTC at 3,000 or even like I did when it was, like, below $10, I think it was, like, one and change when I saw it, we would have been ahead of the game. Granted now, they... Because they they bought so much, as I said, I think for me, the one thing top of mind is the manipulation factor. Right? The third thing I wanted to touch on is with regards to the pricing. That price does... These high prices that they're throwing out, it does coincide with BTC doing a breakout towards catching up on gold. Right? And I I believe we we touched on this a few spaces back. Typically, a few years back, BTC outperformed gold. Right? So now what we're seeing, we may be being in... We may be in that consolidation phase, right, where we consolidate trade sideways for a little bit. And this has caused, with everything going on in the economy, macroeconomics, in the macroeconomy, we see gold leading the way. Right? Usually, this tends to happen when something's wrong. Right? So one can say we have a missing recession or something's going on, something that we can't see. But as I mentioned yesterday, we do have different financial guardrails in place to protect us big time to... Against a crazy crash like we saw this in the seventies. Right? But when they're mentioning these high BTC prices... Because one could argue that they are comparing it to a breakout towards gold. And if BTC does break out and it up... Outperforms again like it did when it went crazy, I could see us hitting those targets.
[0:30:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. So that brings me to my next question now. I I... Like, let's let's kinda rotate now to the privacy matter because Zcash has not stopped. Did you guys see it? Shout out to my man, Blitz. I was, earlier in the chat. Like, literally put this. I saw it, and it was... I mean, this... You have one of the biggest influencers, in MERT. Right? For those that have never seen MERT, like, MERT is literally these are the dudes that are earning $3.04, 500 yaps in a day sometimes for some of their tweets. And he's saying every billionaire in the world is calling me about Zcash right now. Like, that is a monster, monster tweet, and you're seeing it. We talked about Zcash here on a massive run up when it was at a $150,160 bucks. It's literally now sitting at $215 now, and people are still saying massively undervalued. It's got $1,000,000,000 in trading volume. This privacy narrative doesn't seem like it's going anywhere, but I saw Blitz Blitz. You came up. What's good, bro? Congrats on your wins, my bro. Like, keep keep winning, man. What's good?
[0:31:39] Voice D: What's up? What's up, Dave? I appreciate the space here, man. No, dude. Yeah. I think it's... Like I said, I tell people all the time, you just gotta look into it. It's not... I'm not... No one's... No. I'm not gonna shill Zcash by Zcash. You... It speaks for itself. You know, at the end of the day, either you're gonna buy it or you're gonna choose another form of privacy. Doesn't have to be Zcash. But I would say the the one... The ones that have, like, talked the most tech wise, it always pays off somehow. You know? It might not be for the moment because there's so much in the space to, like, keep up with, bro. Like, you can't... You know what saying? But when you... In a moment like this, when the the markets are chilling, but then you just keep seeing Zcash going and going, it's like, what the fuck? You know? Like, who's doing this? Or what's happening? I mean, at the end the day, I think it's about timing. And for a lot of other project... Projects too, every other project is gonna have at the moment. It's just the cash moment right now. You know, it's been a minute. If you've been... You know, four years, been in the slumps, being slump, not doing shit, just kinda stacking and stacking. Like, if you're someone who buys the, Bitcoin, you know how it was back in the day buying Bitcoin if you just kept stacking because you believed in it. Same thing with a lot of other coins. I mean, sticking to the fact in what you're invested in, sticking to the fact in what you see and potentially of the... Of of of a a world that we might live differently in the future. Right? That's the main thing. Like, I don't think we're gonna live the same... The the world we live in now is gonna be different probably in a couple of years. And, I mean, that's just the bet you're gonna have to bet on, but that's just my opinion, though. You know? And we'll see. There's other privacy coins too. Don't forget Litecoin. Litecoin has some privacy. Monero's out there. You got Dash. You know, I'm all about the whole privacy in general. It's not just Zcash. It's... You know, like, at the end the day, you just have to be open about it on where where do we stand and what's gonna happen. You
[0:33:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: know? Tokenomics makes sense. I believe it's like... Yeah. Just like the... Just the supply. When you look at supply. Right? Like, 60 is not yeah. 60... Oh, yeah. 60... Yeah.
[0:33:33] Voice D: I love the money
[0:33:34] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: that's in Dash.
[0:33:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yo. I'm... Dude, I... At the end of
[0:33:38] Voice D: the day, like, my choice was to stag Zcash. I have some Dash, but it's nothing, like, crazy. You know? I did I did I did like what they're doing over there. And, you know, I'm always a supporter because, like, some of those same people that are in that community, they support Zcash. You know? Like, you... They understand that concept. Like, it's important to them. You know? And some people, they don't care at the moment. You won't you won't think about it because it's not the thing. It's not the train. It's not a NFT. But it's when the... That moment hits and you start seeing bigger influencers or bigger people who are in, like, in bigger projects and that have a voice and they start to realize, like, you know, there's people who never even knew this existed. You know? I think it's interesting. That just tells me this gives them more eyes. Even if the price was to take a dump, there's eyes on it. There's a lot of, engineers on it looking into it. You know? Like, they they get it. And I think that's the whole point, understanding where we're at, understanding the world that we're moving towards. Right? What could happen? Not saying it will, but it's a possibility where we could live in a world where it's, like, not fair for a lot of countries, a lot of people, and, you know, you wanna think about that. You know? But that's just a narrative. It's not really, like, it's gonna happen. It's just just... I'm just giving you guys, like, my thought process of where I'm at and why I was so, like, convicted of buying and buying even if the coin was I got down to $15.
[0:34:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Mert was literally saying that. Mert goes every billionaire in the world is calling me about Zcash right now. And I'm like,
[0:34:59] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: god. Damn.
[0:35:00] NatNat @Natnatx007: What what was the all time high price, though? Yeah. I think it... I think it's still down, like, math.
[0:35:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Realistically, like like, yeah, the all
[0:35:06] Voice D: time price where if it goes past 300, yeah, that's when I feel like you're start... You're gonna start seeing... In my opinion, you'll start seeing people buying it because it was around $3.20 and $3.40. I gotta look at it, to be honest. I haven't seen the charts like that.
[0:35:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Didn't you say it was, like, $3,000 or something like that the other day? Cool. Am I crazy, or did you say that?
[0:35:24] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Think it's... It was higher than 300.
[0:35:27] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: So well,
[0:35:29] Voice D: if we're talking most recent, I'm talking the most recent pump it had, which was, like, years ago. Once it passes that, it's all hell loose. It's... At this point, it's a different game. Like, it... I personally think it's gonna hit a thousand. That's just me, my opinion. Am I out here thinking it's gonna happen today, tomorrow, next year? No. But it's gonna hit. I I truly believe that. And it might hit more. It might it might hit more, and it's... And people are gonna just be shy. You know, it doesn't hurt to hold one coin. I mean, what they... What do they say about Bitcoin? Just hold one Bitcoin. Just one. Right? They they said that's how you need one Bitcoin. You'll be good. At the time, it was, like, what? 20,000, 17,000, 10,000, 7,000. Like, I remember those times. You know? And they just told you to hold one. You didn't have to need all that extra shit that... You know? Because, you know, it's expensive now. I tell people, like, yo. Like, yeah. If you wanna make money, cool. There's a lot of other opportunities. You know? Bitcoin is just that store of value. You know? You're gonna... You can, like... It's like a piggy bank. You know? Don't think about it. Don't think about it.
[0:36:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know, one one one thing that that I've noticed from the crypto market based on on on everything I'm seeing and and what I've experienced, to Cool's point, when his his friend sold really early at 7,000 when he would have made over 1,000,000. Crypto or or investments in general, they benefit patient investors. Right? I know I know we talk a lot about trading and shorting and blah blah blah, but the majority of the people that make the most money are those that hold for the longest.
[0:36:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fox, Aaron, go for it.
[0:37:06] Voice D: Is he talking or am
[0:37:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: I tripping? I don't I don't hear
[0:37:09] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I wanna be a billionaire or no?
[0:37:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: How did he go?
[0:37:11] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Did go? He go?
[0:37:12] Voice D: So fucking freaking bad.
[0:37:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Go ahead. Yeah.
[0:37:18] Voice C: I was I was kinda, like, curious on what... What's been driving this privacy coin narrative. I... Because it's been a narrative for, honestly, quite some time. Like, even beyond... Like, I mean, obviously, 2017, 2018 when the first was, like, kind of started to be talk... Like, spoken about. But then
[0:37:42] Voice D: Did we lose them?
[0:37:44] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. Apparently, we're losing them.
[0:37:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Damn. I wonder what he had to say.
[0:37:48] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I know.
[0:37:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: Would it have to do with the involvement of hedge funds and and how integrated they are with, how involved they are with Bitcoin that's driving everyone else the other way?
[0:37:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Are you asking me?
[0:38:01] NatNat @Natnatx007: No. Just a general question. I see Landy has his
[0:38:03] xFactor @xFactorPOL: hand up.
[0:38:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I saw Landy. I I was I
[0:38:05] Voice D: was interested if he had to say because, you know, he brings good points.
[0:38:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, okay. You can We got you back now. Go for
[0:38:11] Voice C: Sorry about that. Yeah. I don't know what's going on. No. Yeah. I was just kinda... I've cut to the cut to the point, but, yeah, like, what is... And I heard Nat say that, like, maybe it's people going be... Like, to the other opposite bet, like, a contrarian bet to what, institutions are doing. So let's go to, you know, do privacy coins. Let's transact in private. But is there anything that you've been seeing Blitz or others where, like, that's why... Like, there's a reason why people are... Like, have this appetite for privacy coins? Like, that's it's really an interesting play that Zcash has just been running like this. So... And and maybe Monero's next and some of these other privacy coins and... Or... I mean, I think it's just Monero and Zcash. The other ones you guys listed, they are... You know, like, you can transact in them, but I don't think it's like... That's not their narrative, and that's not what they're all about. You know?
[0:39:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. That's a good question. I kinda wanna hear Landy because I know Landy probably has a... Has a has a spicy take on on this.
[0:39:06] Voice D: Yeah. Tell Landy to bring up. Bring bring Landy out.
[0:39:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's here. He's here.
[0:39:10] Voice D: Oh, okay. Okay. I can't...
[0:39:11] xFactor @xFactorPOL: I didn't know if he was working.
[0:39:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Landy, what's good, bro? Talk to me, man. Why the privacy narrative, bro?
[0:39:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hi. Hello, everyone. Good afternoon, Dave. Cool. Nat Nat. Great to see everybody else here. Good to see Aaron from Track here. X Factor, Blitz, Meta Beast. I'm not sure. There's a panda on stage. Says DJ... Is that Dave? Is that DJ Dave? DJ Dave is here. 04:20, baby. Yeah. I'm gonna rant. I'm gonna go on something that I've trademarked called a landy rant for just a moment here. I'll be back in morning. Talking... We we have been talking about privacy coins and price structure of those said privacy coins for months now. Months, months, months. In fact, it's been years. We've been talking about this because of the the involvement of the larger institutional players and the advancement of stablecoins and the advancement of stablecoin based government policies and regulations
[0:40:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hold on, and it's... Hold on. Because hold on.
[0:40:20] NatNat @Natnatx007: Be... Before... I'm glad that we agree because I I literally was having this conversation. So the reason why, these... Part of the reason why these privacy coins are taking off, it is because the involvement of the hedge funds and the bigger players and the... What's going on in stable coins. Correct?
[0:40:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, I I would say less than than the hedge funds and bigger players and institutions. That's that's the warning shot. Right? That is, hey. When they get involved, guess who comes knocking? Oh, that's right. Regulators. Because if they're involved, they're making deals with the regulators to help form policy. Alright? And it it really bothers me when I see million follower plus accounts only talk about this shit after it rips out of a big consolidation. It bugs the shit out of me every single time. I hate the fact that when we... When... There's so many smaller accounts that have been talking about this for a long time. I don't touch on it on a regular basis because no one really pays attention. But when I touched on it, when Blitz has touched on it, Nat, you and I have even talked about this as recently as a couple weeks ago. Dave, you brought it up on stage. How many times have we said, you know, on all your main brokerage trading, apps like your your, Robinhoods, your, Weebulls, your your, whatever one you... Whatever brokerage account you wanna log in. Since right around 2016, 2017, you've been able to buy all of these coins on there. Right? So, you know, like, Robinhood had Apex clearing for the longest time. Now it's Robinhood clearing. Right? But they they use... Utilized Apex to go ahead and clear all their coins for them so that they could actually, you know, sell Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana. Oh, that's right. Zcash, Monero, Ada, and a bunch of others. Right? Doge and that kind of stuff. Now these are all considered dinosaur coins. We always know that they're gonna move at some point. Monero had a few big pops, had the big cubic issue, which I think is still an issue, but that's irrespective of price. And now I'm seeing across the timeline today, account after account after account talking about Zcash after it's resolved its consolidation off of the lows to the upside. It started to run seven days ago and looked like it was ready to break out before then as long as Bitcoin cooperated anyway. Bitcoin ran up for about nine days, with a couple breaks in between before a little bit of a pullback. All it did was do that. It it ran with Bitcoin finally. It finally got its sun... Its time in the sun. Why? What is happening in Europe? Digital IDs. They fear that they're going to control whatever stablecoins are going to be issued and paired with these new fancy, institutional based stock tokens. Alright? And the fact that in Europe, they've been talking about this. This is not any kind of a new conversation. It's just that it's more real than it's ever been with digital IDs. They're talking about the same thing in certain states like California. They want a a... They don't want voter ID, but they want a digital ID, that you wouldn't have to submit when you go to vote. Anyway, that's a really big difference there and the way that they wanna implement it. But the point being is they don't want the regular person to have privacy. They wanna put guardrails on everything. And one of the biggest things that people are starting to understand is you... This is a weird situation to to to see the market in and some of the, quote, top thinkers in the market by by by the by the Internet's determination of follows, I guess, which can be heavily bothered. But the point being is there's now people who are looking at the stablecoin private issuers and going, man, this is kinda wild because they don't have to play by the rules. They get to make up the rules on their own. Like, even a CBDC has to have guardrails, but these stablecoin issuers just can say, no. We we don't wanna... We're gonna cut out this entire network. We don't need to service it. We're only going to service our products, and you must use this to get to our products. And also, we have a monopoly on this industry. And people are starting to wake up to the fact that stable... Private stablecoin issuance in this manner, while it does encourage competition, when you have an entire monopoly, they can get in and say, you know what? The government doesn't have to say a word about this, but we're gonna restrict it to only doing this, this, and this. And now that we're seeing some of those announcements along with digital IDs, along with government getting involved in regulation, and I'm not just talking about US, talking about across the globe, people have been accumulating any privacy coins that they possibly possibly can. Can.
[0:45:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: So, Landy, can can this can this be seen, like like, as a contrarian play. Right? Because they they don't want... They... They're they're not liking what they're seeing, what's going on in all of these regulation, regulatory stuff that's coming down the pipeline, so they're flocking to Zcash and Litecoin and all the others.
[0:45:46] Landy @CryptoLandy: Look. Here's the thing. None of these influencers that are talking about it after they've already invested and helped to pump the price, none of them are actually using these networks. They just wanna make money out. That's... Right.
[0:45:58] NatNat @Natnatx007: That was gonna be the
[0:45:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: next thing I was going to say.
[0:46:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: That's what irritates me. They They don't believe in the ethos. They don't believe in your privacy. They wanna make fiat dollars. And it bugs the ever loving shit out of me that only now are they gonna talk about what has been a great opportunity this entire cycle was privacy quiz. You could have been doing it the entire time, just loading up your damn bags. All you... But see, here's the thing. When people come to this show, we've talked about it across the past year or more more than a year. It's been, what, since '23? And I started coming here, what, like, '24 or so. And this has come up over and over and over again. Like, yeah, these things, like your Monero and your privacy coins, probably should be looking into those. They tend to not move until much later. Right? Or when talking about the trade side of things or the important side of things from the news that keeps coming out is, like, you know, people are gonna be looking into privacy coins. The fact of the matter is that you can make a lot of money on it, but it's more importantly how, what is the utility behind it. Understand the technology, whether it's Litecoins, MWeb, or Zcash, or Monero. And you... And if you understand how these things work, you can understand how to use them effectively for yourself to have privacy. And then there's the next big one. No one right now is really paying attention to Knight, the Knight network, the Midnight network in this case.
[0:47:29] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's on Cardano. Right?
[0:47:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Well, it's it's its own thing, but it is Cardano adjacent with the... You know, there is the the Midnight Foundation, and Charles is very involved over there. They have their glacier drop. It's still going on. It's free. Go check to see if you can get the night token. Why did they create this token? Because there is gonna be a bunch of privacy features in it that are gonna allow for confidential transactions. So there
[0:47:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: you go.
[0:48:00] NatNat @Natnatx007: So this is the exact rent that I'm going to have once Hereda takes... Just so you know. Of
[0:48:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: course. She had to find the plug. It had... We couldn't go a single I love it. So...
[0:48:13] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. Y'all can chant about I... InfoFy. She can talk about Hedera.
[0:48:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fair enough. Fair enough. Like, we'll let it go. Don't try and find me for shit. But the one thing I did wanna also mention is, like, how... What are the differences? Right? Because there's privacy, then there's confidentiality. Because when I look at Vcash versus Monero versus, like, Cody, right, like, there's differences, right, with different tech. So what's, like... Blitz, maybe I... Feel free to obviously make your statement, but, like, what I wanna address afterwards is, like, what makes... What is the difference with these? You know what I mean?
[0:48:47] Voice D: Yeah. I mean, well, I want to make one point. I will I will tell you this. Barry Silburn, that man has been preaching Zcash for a while. He is pretty popular, but they they made fun of him, you know,
[0:48:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: because he wasn't doing shit. He wasn't pumping, and people
[0:49:00] Voice D: were like, dude, you're you're...
[0:49:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: You told us Zcash for letting do shit for years.
[0:49:04] Voice D: So they did kinda, like, clown his ass on him. Right? He's he's always been a believer about it. Like, he's literally... He's always said this, like, it's gonna be... This is an important piece. Like, it's important to have. You know? It might not be for everybody, but he he did mention it. No. But I was gonna say is, I mean, at least for Zcash, it's different because it's not... The thing is there's a there's a transparent side to it. You know? And then there's the the shielded... What they call it. And the thing is that the two side is because it gives the the the user to choose. Because some people don't care about privacy. Let's be honest. Some people are like, oh, just look me up. I don't care. Like, look how much I'm like. Like, they don't care. And that's that's fair. I think it's, like, it's giving them a choice, which some people don't believe. And that's why, like, you have coins like Monero, which is completely private. Completely private. Like, there's no, transparent tran... Sector or where you can, like, look up the address and see how much they have. But I will say this, Zcash, every transaction is, like, encrypted. And to me, that's what really fascinated me a lot in a way to a point. It it it it it got my attention because I I... At first, I didn't get it. I was like, it should be completely private. Right? But then I started to understand. Was like, yo. Like, in order for for users to... Like, regular per... Like, a regular person who, you know, you know, to get some form of privacy at at its highest level, but still still at the same time, use it to, like, make purchases or etcetera. Like like, is is that possible? Can that happen? Right? Because, you know, at the end of the day, coins are gonna pump out the coins that kinda follow
[0:50:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: the rules. You know? Like, people are making laws, and I think that's
[0:50:36] Voice D: the advantage of Zcash. Some people don't believe it, and I get it. I mean, they don't they don't they don't see it as, they... They're, like, they're more like, it needs to be completely private, but you... Like, you gotta understand this is the world we're living in. You know what saying? Like, I
[0:50:49] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: can keep ranting about that,
[0:50:50] Voice D: but this doesn't matter. That's not the point. The whole point is, like, at this moment right now, Zcash Zcash, from what I've seen throughout the the years, they've, like, implemented ways to, like, even, like, trade. You can trade your salon and your Bitcoin into a shielded pool within the wallet that they created with Zazashi. You know? Like, you you... There's options. Is there's there's ways to still buy it and still be, like, shielded from your money, like, overall when you're, like, involving with, like, sending funds to a person with a shielded address. You know? There is a transparent address, but I would say that's more for, like, the exchanges. If you're paying your taxes, stuff like that. Right? Like
[0:51:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: So so, Blitz, that's that's Look at
[0:51:27] Voice D: look at look at look at Binance. Binance holds Zcash, but it's a it's a transparent. Right? If you Yeah. You know? If I wanna go
[0:51:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: set option. Yes. And I didn't... Like, I didn't I didn't... Genuinely, I didn't know this. Right? Like, z... X... Like, Monero, always on privacy. Right? Like, you don't have the option. Yeah. Zcash, optional privacy with auditability is essentially, like Correct. Kind of like the the the the tagline. But then you have other things like confidentiality codes where it's programmable confidentiality for the... At the app level, which is things like coding and and everything else. So there's different levels to this. Right? And I think there's obviously a bunch of different plays that can be made. I think Zcash is definitely having its moment, like, like, in the It is. In the spotlight right now and and well deserved at the end of the day, bro. Like, for real.
[0:52:11] Voice D: And... No. A 100%. It is. I mean, I I do think Monero... I look at the charts. Monero is about to have his moment too. Like, I've seen that chart. It's it's it's, it looks like it's it's about to have that rocket fuel. I'm not gonna say, is it gonna happen or how much? No. But I think in the Zcash, like, it's it's been it's been one of those coins where, there are some, like... You know, what's his name who just speak? I forgot. I can't even see his name because it's, like, glitching on me. But whoever
[0:52:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: was Landy?
[0:52:38] Voice D: Yeah. Landy. It's true. There's some big influencers who just... You know, they're just pumping in. I get it. It's part of... It's the same thing a lot of other ones. They'll pump in and probably have never used it. But, you know, will be a time where, you know, the whole space has evolved, and we're all using it. And people probably wanna have their money in Zcash, mate, or or whatever privacy form where they just wanna feel protected. Right? At the end of the day, it's like, you're gonna go outside or if I'm gonna go ahead and make a transaction, do I want them to know how much I have? Not really. Like, it's not kinda like... Like, feel like
[0:53:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: a target
[0:53:08] Voice D: now. Right? Like... And that's... Like I said, that's just me. Everyone else probably don't... They don't care, and that's fine. But that's cool to have something like this. It matters, at least for the people that care about it.
[0:53:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Makes sense. It makes sense. But it's good stuff. Landy, go for it, and then we'll say what's up to Gamer and Kanter and, and Justice.
[0:53:24] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. So the the primary difference between many of these, privacy tokens... I mean, if I start bringing up, like, pirate chain and Dash and you brought up Rr. Yeah. Rr. Look. I mean
[0:53:40] Voice D: Not pirate chain. No. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm I'm kidding.
[0:53:43] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Kidding. That
[0:53:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: was the simple r.
[0:53:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: R. R. R. Yeah. So... And and look. It's it's... One of the biggest barriers
[0:53:51] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: to
[0:53:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: using these is that you have to, in many cases, hold and transact in them. Now Zcash has made a lot of headway in this regard for different, paired pools. And when when you look at the construction of the privacy and how it is implemented, at a chain level, like, have ring signatures with with the... With stealth addressing. So, basically, for for Monero, you have ZK, snarks, which is your zero knowledge proofs, which is used for the shielded transactions on Zcash. Cody uses, I believe it's called... It's it's actually... It's, oh, man. It's, Cody uses... Man, what is the... It's garbled circuits, I believe, which is, multi computational protocol or multiparty protocol rather. You know? And then you've got... You start getting into different types of implementations of z k SNARKs and delayed proof of work and coin join mixing and mixers and, like, that kind of stuff. So it's all about the implementation, but it's also about who... What audience are they catering to. Right? So Monero is is is is a fully private protocol that is catering to people who want to hide everything, right, and not have any compliance with government authorities. But when you start looking at things like Zcash, Cody, Dash... I'm even bringing up Dash. I can't believe I said Dash. They're CoinJoin, mixing. Right?
[0:55:24] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah.
[0:55:24] Landy @CryptoLandy: And Pirate, these are all
[0:55:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: yeah. Going
[0:55:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: There's... Well, I mean, like, Pirate is, I think, more on the Monero side of things where it's it's like it's all about privacy. But it it it... It's how much liquidity is in the chain if you want to take other coins to it and hide there. And then it's all about the on and off ramps because no matter... Everything that starts with Fiat and goes into these chains is trackable. So it's... They always get you at the entry and the exit. So it's about what is the ability to utilize these. Like, if you're gonna go utilize something like Monero, cash in, cash out on the other side, those are your entry and exit. And, yeah, you can hide and you can squat there, but heuristic analysis can eventually come back to bite you. Right? So it needs... We need more, distribution and use of these privacy coins, or we need a way in which there is, there is a wallet side integrated with the, and we're starting to get some of that back. Your tornadoes, your
[0:56:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yep.
[0:56:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Wasabi Yep. Your samurai wallets. We need to get these things back, especially here in The United States because that is the global leader when it comes to these things to allow for end to end. And then for for private... You know, and then and then teaching people, educating people about the onboarding and offboarding ways in which to protect yourself when you're doing, you know, the on ramping and off ramping portions.
[0:56:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Landy, do you remember real... Just real quick. Do you remember back in 2021 when the the federal government was offering a $50,000,000 reward to anybody that can crack Monero. Like, I remember this vividly. Like, it was literally yesterday. Like, the IRS... Like, they gave them an initiative. Like, they gave them a a clear initiative. $50,000,000 if they could... I'd never... They weren't offering 50,000,000, but $10,000,000 to... A million dollars to people that were solving, like, who killed JFK at the time. You know what I'm saying?
[0:57:29] Kool @koolcryptovc: Like Well,
[0:57:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: they care about Yeah.
[0:57:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: This was choke...
[0:57:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: The choke point two... Choke point choke point two point o. You know, when the Biden admin... And look. This is about politics at the end of the day because politics and money cannot be separated. Their stance was to to to essentially outlaw and and hoover it all up themselves, repackage it, and resell it. It's happening anyway, but we're at a point where those programs actually worked. Those particular initiatives actually did work on retail. Now it's... That... They didn't need... They couldn't crack Monero, so they had to infiltrate through the mining side and and that kinda app development side. Because they... There's a million ways that they can get into these privacy focused networks and monitor what's going on and drop rats and all kinds of shit on your on your devices and your computers. So you have to be aware of all of these things. But in general, unless you're moving billions of dollars, you know, you're probably not gonna raise any alarms using some of these, when you're on on ramping and off ramping to some of these protocols. But what bothers me is that most of the people talking about this are all about the price action. They they don't care about the actual use case of the protocols, and they never really have. I'm talking about since the early days. But when you're gonna select a privacy protocol, do it very, be be very particular about the whys and make sure you do your research because there are carrier protocols and pegs in... Peg in and peg outs that you can do with some of these protocols. But you have... You're restricted in terms of liquidity in most cases, so you do have to be careful. You start getting over a couple million dollars, and you're not gonna have enough... You're you're... It's... It... You gotta find a different way. Like, let's go on the street and and and we're gonna have to do handoffs and shit because they... At at some point, you just said there isn't a large enough pool for for a lot of this. And that's one of the reasons why Justin's son has been very public about how he moves. Like, fine. Look over here. Will I do this over here with my own damn network? Right? And then you wanna look inside the black box, go ahead and try, and I just have more money than than than most, and I'll be able to to go wherever I please and buy off anyone who says otherwise.
[0:59:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: More money than god blitz go for you and then Metabies, and then we'll, we'll move on to the next story.
[0:59:59] Voice D: Hell, yeah. Hey. I just got a question for Mandy. Mandy, which one would you prefer, though, if you had to choose a a privacy coin? I don't know. It doesn't have to be to invest or nothing, but, like, if you were looking at it in your opinion, just you, who would you pick?
[1:00:15] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'd still take my chances with Monero.
[1:00:18] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: He would pick Monero. Man.
[1:00:20] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Hey. That's fair. I respect that.
[1:00:22] Voice D: Hey. I respect that. Hey. I I just had to ask just to make sure about, hey.
[1:00:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think I'm pay it. I'm I'm I'm here for privacy.
[1:00:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: Are the next ones. Zcash and and Cody are the next ones. The main thing is is Zcash, Cody, the upcoming midnight dash, and all of these have worked with regulators on a case by case basis. Right? So... Because they actually want to be implemented and used by by big money. Monero is the only one that hasn't, which is why they've had to take these tactics. And and people in Monero are fighting back against it. That's the only reason why if I wanted to move completely privately, that's what I'm going to use because I can use it in such speed, that that I can get in, get out to the other side. Whereas in many of these, I have to I have to go through various steps. And if regulators did want to come after me in some way or or DOJ or something like that, law enforcement, then I would have to... You know, they they... They're flexible and they're regulation ready tokens. Right? If that makes sense.
[1:01:30] Voice C: Mhmm.
[1:01:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: Which they they have their place, by the way. So if you are holding them, they have their place. That's why Midnight's being built is to service confidentiality for these large corporations that's doing business deals. Like, you don't want a business deal that you're trying to make happen be visible on chain to everyone before the deal is done. Right? If you're just staging funds and stuff like that. Mhmm. Like, you need confidentiality. It's needed in in any kind of banking. There is some level of confidentiality, but it's about how do they work with regulators.
[1:02:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good stuff.
[1:02:01] Voice D: That's true.
[1:02:02] Trac Network @TracNetwork: I
[1:02:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love it. Great combo, boys. Aaron, you spark something out here. Mean, like, what's the difference? What do we choose? And why the privacy narrative? I like this combo. MetaBeast, go for it, then we'll go to to Justice and Gamer.
[1:02:14] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: My my question is for the Bitcoin Puppet King as well. Is BlackRock trying to take over the world, and what is your connection to them? Thank you. You can remove me now.
[1:02:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Blackrock. My god.
[1:02:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: If I I... Damn it, Metabeast. Sorry. The chunk was flying at my head right now with a flying attached to it. But No breaks on you. Let
[1:02:36] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: me tell you. I'm a fan of yours no matter which side you're on.
[1:02:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: I... Look. I can sell you Blackrock and Fidelity products, but that's not the point. You are
[1:02:45] NatNat @Natnatx007: You
[1:02:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: see? The BlackRock...
[1:02:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: You see, just love...... Psychology just circle back in quickly.
[1:02:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: You you are the one who holds the underlying... You hold the the IOU for the underlying asset. You... They do not they do not own the Bitcoin. They are holding it on your behalf.
[1:03:07] NatNat @Natnatx007: And Pound
[1:03:10] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: it to Huawei. No. So pound it kind of then.
[1:03:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: So... No. What do they... I... I'm gonna bring this up again because I think it might be important. What what these companies do is because they get such a large asset under management position, right, in something like Bitcoin or Ethereum, what they do is they have to protect their investors. Right? So then they take a big portion of their investors' money along with their own, and they buy into the boards of companies. In this case, mining boards. Right? These publicly traded companies, they buy a bunch of the stock, and then they get somebody on the board because they have to protect their customers and clients' interests. Right? Because they're not making money by holding Bitcoin. They're making money on the arbitrage and the fees for the creation and redemption process and the management process. It's an entire management process infrastructure. And what they're doing is they're onboarding in a very big way all of these different clients as part of their existing portfolios and then getting new ones, right, through the open market. But they don't hold the Bitcoin. They don't hold the Ethereum. But if they hold enough Ethereum, then it behooves them to then take portions of clients' money, invest in companies that might run validators and get on the board of those companies. Right? And or give money to different, let's call them, players with money that like to go in. What do we call this? They they came around in every cycle, and everybody always says that they hate them. But they come here with money, and they inject money, and then everybody blames them for rinsing
[1:04:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: them at the end of day. Oh,
[1:04:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: venture capital.
[1:04:57] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Landy. Landy, that that does remind me. I was gonna ask you. I did hear that VCs are coming together, for a Monero collateral backed loan where you can use your Monero as collateral, save it loan so never have to sell it....
[1:05:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Addresses and and Yeah. To to... VC funded, by the way.
[1:05:20] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Are you serious?...
[1:05:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: An actual newspaper. Yeah. Oh, I never heard of this. Oh, are you... That's the big cubic. That's that's one of the main things is to expand the Monero network into the mainstream by attaching you to physical pieces of paper so that you can easily be identified at the end of the day. Look, there's a lot of ways to shake you out of a privacy position.
[1:05:42] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Monero's where the funds at.
[1:05:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: Look, the network itself, if you're gonna use Monero, stay on it. And it's really about the on ramping and off ramping, and then there's tricks and tips that people can give you that I won't say out loud.
[1:05:55] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: But once you go, you never leave because they want...
[1:05:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Let's go let's go to Justice, and then we'll and then we'll move on from this. And then I wanna leave a little bit of time for for Aaron and track. But, Justice, go for it. Welcome.
[1:06:08] Trac Network @TracNetwork: Yeah. G m probably. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good night, everyone. Yep. It's been a long talk on, like, the old privacy thing. But, yeah. Like, I think I think it was Landy that was talking about it. Well, there is, like, there is a whole lot of variations of all of them, which makes it a little bit kind of creates also a UX problem at the end of the day because, yeah, if we want people to use it, you should at least make make it quite simple for people to use. So nowadays, Ethereum or... Let me say EVM I think when I say Ethereum, I'll be connoting the token. But, yeah, it got... I don't know how it got... Like, it suddenly went viral today. Like, a lot of people were talking about it on the CEO today. So, basically, what Vitalik and, like, the rest of the researchers at EVM, what they are trying to do now is they they want to unify all of these privacy blockchains and tokens. Like, they want to unify everything on that EVM using some... Or already created privacy infras. The the one that was, like, highlighted in, like, the Jitshub doc or forum or whatever it was was... What was it? RealGone. Yes. RealGone. And surprise... Surprisingly, the the the token went up, like, 200 and something... I think 290% or 280% today when the whole announcement went out. The project is called Kohaku. Yes. So, basically, it's going to be like a kind of wallet integration where I don't know how they're going to do all that engineering or UX engineering behind, but, basically, what what it's all about is they are bringing all of these privacy chains and tokens to EVM and in a way that you can easily choose which one you are going to... Which one you want to interact with. Like, you you can know what's this... What aspect of privacy this chain is giving you, like, right from whatever however, sorry, however they are going to make the the UX look like. But... Yeah. That's that's that's on one side. I mean, it it it means that, like, I... The way I see it, think, like, the... Now that crypto is getting really serious, like, it's becoming a suit and tie business, the the the part of it is, like, kind of subjoined to to to some extent. So, yeah, all of these chains, like, they they are they are now being made to be interoperable, which means in, I I guess, a few years, it's going to be, like, more predominant, more than, like, any chain that is not able to align with that quickly might... I don't know. Maybe they might be behind or something like that. But, yeah, everything is is coming together to become in... Interoperable now, which kind of to me, it... Should I say, begs the question. But, like, it it questions how this privacy of the thing does not debar transparency. Because, I mean, as much as we are shouting privacy privacy, there should also be a layer of... Like, it it it should be privacy in a way that does not facilitate crime. There should be a way regardless of how encrypted transactions are or activities are on the Internet. There there should still be a layer where people's... Like, the trust of what... Whatever people are doing on the Internet can be confirmed that, okay, it's not it's not criminals that are doing things in, like, in an encrypted way and then, yeah, for that for that damage.
[1:10:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Criminals are everywhere. You hear some artists say it all the time. Bring the criminals back. It's inevitable. Wherever you're gonna see any type of privacy, confidentiality, the criminals will be... It's inevitable. I love the the the kumbaya potential ethos, but the criminals are gonna be everywhere. It's a fact. It's just gonna be essentially like now where exactly and how are they going to operate, but I think, like, this was a good conversation on the privacy side. Yeah, Lindy. Close it out.
[1:10:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I just wanna kinda close it up with this. Is all of these types of things, you're only as good as your weakest link in security. Right? It's only as secure as the weakest portion of security or or vector. Right? And in this case, if it's an EVM chain, there is validator sets. Alright? So there's always an overlord. Right? And and and this... It's just like the on ramping, off ramping problem. You're you're only as good as your weakest link in security. And in reality, there's always a way to figure something out if given enough time and resources. Right? And this is where it's going to get very, very complex in what is private, what is secure, what is not, what is hidden, all of this different kind of stuff because someone will always know. And one of the biggest things that I kinda wanna stress is always look at if you are a privacy maxi, if you are saying that that is the goal is to to keep all of your transactions private, then make sure you understand what the... What they are doing in terms of their building and interaction with the regulatory side of things when it comes to various governments. Because if they take the stance of hell no, we ain't gonna show, then they're probably going to be a okay to at least try, and then you can you can, you know, navigate your way with the rest of the privacy side of things and security side of things. But if there is any kind of, like, yeah, we're doing this because we wanna cooperate with regulatory authorities, Understand that there is no real cover at the end of the day. You can get got no matter what, and criminals know this. And that's where they're gonna... They're they're gonna avoid those things. They'll use them until they start to get tracked, and then they'll go and move on to the next thing.
[1:12:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hell no. We won't show. That's... Don't know why I thought about that. But... Yeah. It's... Yeah. Good good points. I like the discussion around the privacy confidentiality. This was good stuff. Bliss, did you wanna add anything before before we go? Saw your hand go up before, but anything that you wanted to add maybe in final before we go?
[1:12:46] Voice D: Yeah. Criminals don't use e cash, so I'll just let you
[1:12:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: know. No.
[1:12:51] Voice M: I'm kidding.
[1:12:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Kidding. I'm
[1:12:52] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: They're probably late. I'm saying.
[1:12:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: I do.
[1:12:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: Landy, you good? You alright?
[1:12:57] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. I had a vein pop out, and I might have a little bit of a aneurysm, but I'll be okay.
[1:13:02] Voice D: It's love, Mandy. Come on. Come on.
[1:13:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's love, man.
[1:13:05] Voice D: Just joking. Just joking.
[1:13:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Look. Crazy work.
[1:13:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's it's more about the people who are pumping it out right now when they could have been talking about it for months when it was on the lows, like, when we talked about it at, like, $50 a couple weeks ago.
[1:13:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's exactly what I'm going to say when you
[1:13:25] Voice D: get out
[1:13:26] NatNat @Natnatx007: of 200. That's exactly what I'm
[1:13:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: gonna say.... Twice. That... You're past the allotment. Okay? You are way past the allotted Hedera plugs. Okay? Co host only gets one of... Unofficial shield plug. That's fair. Fair. I have my...
[1:13:39] xFactor @xFactorPOL: That's that's the t... That's the
[1:13:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: CT for you, like, always. Right? Like, you have all all sorts of this shit happening, and nobody really talks about it. And then all of a sudden, every... Everybody's a call when when something blows up, and it's all over
[1:13:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: their time line.
[1:13:51] xFactor @xFactorPOL: So, I
[1:13:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: mean, it's it's nothing we haven't seen before.
[1:13:54] NatNat @Natnatx007: That... That's actually very, very true. But, Dave, I'm excited to dive into Track Network.
[1:13:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And I'm a Kail, just FYI. A key AI leader and not opinion.
[1:14:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: Emphasis on the
[1:14:04] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: AI. Isn't Kail bitter?
[1:14:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Doesn't matter. You're bitter. Are we piping
[1:14:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: the track?
[1:14:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Listen. Everybody sit down and relax. Okay? We're gonna give Aaron the floor. Aaron, thank you for being patient with us, bro, and thank you for setting us down this insane course, of privacy versus confidentiality. Give us the skinny, my bro, on what exactly track is building because y'all got your hands in a little bit of everything. So, people actually... They might not know your name, but I bet you they know the stuff that you guys have built. So give us the quick Lolo, man.
[1:14:34] Voice C: Yeah. Yeah. So the reason why I wanted us to go down this privacy path is because we'd like to announce on this space that we're launching a privacy token.
[1:14:42] Voice K: No. I'm joking.
[1:14:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm joking.
[1:14:43] Voice C: But... No. I'm joking.
[1:14:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm just... Yo. I was about to say that. I was like, how
[1:14:47] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: much or
[1:14:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: how much to get in?
[1:14:49] Kool @koolcryptovc: I just
[1:14:49] Voice C: I just I just manipulated the whole space to stop by the privacy...
[1:14:53] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: How much to get in?
[1:14:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: Well, the tech could just send us the the the contract address, man. At this point......
[1:14:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: The generator. It's Aaron. They're like, wait a minute. He's he's telling the truth? No. He's... He's he's just chill. He's kidding.
[1:15:04] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: He's being serious right now. Let's get the con... The market cap's under 100 k. Let's go.
[1:15:10] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Let's sell everything and just build on it.
[1:15:13] Voice C: Yeah. Yeah. No. But, honestly, it is really important. And I'll dive a little deeper into how we're actually adding or it... Already had an... Like, this layer added onto it when building it all out. But, yeah, essentially, we've had our our feet all over really the Bitcoin space when we first started out. If you're not familiar with, like, ordinals and on chain inscriptions, like, we saw that space, and Track Network was essentially an Oracle solution, a decentralized Oracle solution for ordinals, basically, because there was no way to plug in any Oracles onto Bitcoin at the time. You couldn't plug in Chainlink. You couldn't plug in, you know, an indexing solution like Graph. So there's really no data that could be taken and brought to the Bitcoin ecosystem, and I see some Bitcoiners here... What
[1:16:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: was that? Yeah. Can you guys not hear me? Because we
[1:16:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: can hear... You're good. I can hear...
[1:16:08] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: I can hear
[1:16:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, okay. Okay.
[1:16:10] Voice C: You're good. Can you not
[1:16:11] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: can you not hear him talking, Dave?
[1:16:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. You're good now. Sorry.
[1:16:15] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Oh,
[1:16:15] Voice C: okay. No problem. Yeah. No problem. No problem. Like I said, I see some some people in the in the crowd and and others that I've seen in the space for a bit, even Alpha Gamers. Have been in the couple... It's been in the Bitcoin ecosystem for a while on chain building. So, yeah, we... Essentially, we... What we've... We did was we first started to bring data inputs into, you know, Bitcoin as far as, like, ordinals and all of that. And then we created TAP protocol, track systems, which is, like, this income... Like, incorporating company that encompasses track network and and TAP protocol, which TAP is, a Bitcoin meta protocol. Basically, you can build tokens on top of programmable tokens and stuff of that nature on top of Bitcoin. Don't wanna get too into the weeds with that one. But we we have this, you know, whole ecosystem living on Bitcoin called TAP where there's a lot of fun thing... Things happening where we have NAT and a couple other other cool, like, projects that are taking off right now. NAT's sitting at about a 60,000,000, $70,000,000 market cap at 50 to 70,000,000 range market cap on on top of Bitcoin, and it's basically a sub... Subsidiary, like, income for for miners and and mining pools. So you definitely check that out when you have a chance. I don't wanna get too into the weeds with that, but it's a really cool concept that can really only be built via TAP, TAP protocol. And and... Yeah. So that's, a really cool concept, but then we wanted to kind of move more into building more interoperability within the whole ecosystem, which I think Justice was talking about this, how every l one nowadays has to have interoperability, and we definitely believe that. We... That's why we've been building Track Network for the last year and a half, two years to provide that interoperability, not just with other EVMs to other EVMs, but, you know, providing interoperability between EVMs and and, you know, UTXO protocols like Bitcoin or, you know, some other UTXO protocols and and making it seamless. You know, Cardano is also, like, you know, the case being a UTXO, based protocol. So, like, we were we were trying to make this interoperability seamless, and, that's why we we built track network, but we wanted to do in a more... Not necessarily through, like, the blockchain standard. This is actually blockless, more like the DAGs type of concept that AVX, you know, incorporates, but we do it on a little bit different level. And and, yes, don't wanna get, like, too high, nuance with the actual terminology and everything of that nature, but, essentially, we created this, like, peer to peer system, and, every... Everything is... You can kinda start building on it. We have two apps that our team built out, HyperFund and HyperMall. HyperMall is very similar to what HyperLiquid is without the, perks currently, and then, which is done in a peer to peer manner. So if you're running the actual application itself, you... You're you're, like, part of the whole ecosystem. You're technically a node data streaming data between each other, whoever else is running HyperMall. And then as well, we have HyperFund, which is the same type of concept. HyperFund, your your data streaming data through each other by just having the the node operating and running or the the app operating and running. And and HyperFund is, like, almost like a pump fund, so you can create hyper, hyper tokens that we call them. And, and, essentially, you can just create them out of thin air. And, there's a little bit, you know, more, a little bit of a a differentiating factor than pump fun. But, yeah, those are, like, kind of the apps, and I wanted to kinda go into real quick the privacy aspect of things. So you guys were talking about it, and I know maybe it's, a bit of a narrative, but this is something we've been building anyways. It's called homomorphic, encryptions, which is super important when you're streaming data between peer to peer, and it's basically encrypting data. So if you do send data to someone else, currently, most protocols and most systems, not just in crypto, but in general, you... In order for you... For that system to basically know what's happening between each other, they need to decrypt it. Right? And they need to basically fully showcase all the data that's being show, passed through one person to the next or from one cloud to the next cloud. And, with us, it... We... With homomorphic in... Encryptions, you don't have to decrypt it. You keep it encrypted when you're passing it from, one peer to the next peer. So that brings some more confidentiality and more privacy to, people that are, you know, running running the data... Running, you know, running nodes. So the ones that are, you know, streaming data and and the transactions that are happening on top of the track network. So, we've, you know, interoperated all these different factors, and, we we plan on going live here mid October. So that's coming up, and it's exciting. We, have the track...
[1:21:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: I have a quick question. Excuse me. The boss had his hand up first, so relax one second.
[1:21:43] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Oh, okay. Go ahead.
[1:21:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: But real quick. Number one Yeah. Aaron, first off, don't call Metabeast any names, but we don't appreciate it even though he's, he's on our space. Homomorphic encryption at the end of the day is totally fine. No. But here's... In all seriousness, at the end of the day at the end of the day, I have been hearing a lot about it. What is the difference between homomorphic encryption versus, like, when we look at, like, ZK proofs? What's the difference?
[1:22:12] Voice C: Yeah. Listen. I... I'm gonna be honest with you. You know, the difference... Me, personally, I'm I'm not sure if I can give the best answer for the difference between
[1:22:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's okay. More free
[1:22:26] Voice C: encryption and a and a zero knowledge in... Encryption. But, you know, one thing I can say is, like, I think it it fully is already... I I guess you can say that it's more so... You...
[1:22:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. If you don't have it
[1:22:47] Voice C: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I...
[1:22:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: If you're not the guy, it's okay, bro. That's totally fine.
[1:22:50] Voice C: Not the best guy for that, but I I...
[1:22:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know, I would...
[1:22:53] Voice C: Yeah. Yeah. So I don't
[1:22:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: want to covered. Yeah. No. You're good. You're good. I I like it because, like, look, I think the the... Like like we talked about today. Right? The privacy and and confidentiality narrative is here. But, yeah, Gamer, did you have a question for him? Go for it.
[1:23:06] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Good question. So... Yeah. So... Yeah. So TAP... Just for... Yeah. TAP's actually been been around for for a minute now. They've been innovating on on Bitcoin layer for a while. But I but I have been... You know, because I watch the markets, you know, and I have noticed that the NATs have been moving. And so that's why I was gonna ask you directly. You know? Like, is that... Is there is there some kinda announcement going on? Or... You know, because it seems like the... All of a sudden, you know, the tap ecosystem kinda woke up all of a sudden, and it's alive. And then, you know, like, everyone's looking at the NatCats and the the royals and, you know, we're look... Kinda looking at everything, like, you know, what's... Why is it moving, basically?
[1:23:53] Voice C: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And to answer first, ZK proof one, and then I'll go into that gamer. That's And a great question. The ZK proof, I would just... To be honest with you, like, just ask Manus or, like, chat GPT at this point. You know? I think you could kinda get a a pretty good answer on that if you want, like, anyone in the crowd that's interested. They're a little bit different. At least I'm looking it up right now. They're they're a bit different as far as, like... They both do the same thing, but in a different manner, basically. Right? So just it a... Give it, like, a... If you guys are... That's a good question, by the way, because there are... They're both private... They're both privately... They're both, like, bringing privacy, but just in a different manner. Right? So, like, if you want, give that a read. But, Gamer, yeah, it's a good question that... You know, what really kind of ignited this was Antpool started to hold NAT token on their balance sheet and start to... Or not balance sheet, but they started to basically acknowledge that NAT was a legitimate token, and they started... This is, like, the one token that I've ever seen that when I... They had over a 100,000 worth of NAT token. They're... But they're making a a ton of money in, you know, Bitcoin mining still. But they had, like, a $100,000 in in the token. We were talking to their team, and they're like, yeah. We'll accept. We'll actually utilize their... We'll, like, utilize NAT, and we'll start selling it on the market and hold some and sell some, hold some and sell some. Because, basically, NAT is a subsidiary token for mining pools. So every, you know, pool... Every block that's rewarded to a specific pool, they get a, they get basically a payout in NAT tokens. Right? It's, like, somewhere in the vicinity of, like, 8,000,000 or something. I don't know the exact number of NAT tokens, but they get paid out NAT tokens. And, essentially, they started selling it, and price started to pump. This was back in June, July ish. And then people started to see, oh, wow. This is happening on the... This is happening on TAP. This is happening on NAT, and got a little bit... People got excited and started to have, like, the first pump push that we saw. So it went from, like, a $56,000,000 token all the way up to, like, a $25,000,000 token. Then, like, a nice little retracement. And then we saw other pools start to accept it, like, top 10 pools. So Spider Pool started to accept it, and then that was that was a big one because they were like, we're gonna actually pledge to keeping some NAT token and also selling some. And I think that all this, like, all these pools starting to accept NAT token, it brought in a lot of speculation on who's gonna start accepting it next. Are they gonna start building a NAT token reserve for their for their mining pools as an extra income source? So, you know, essentially, people are like, why does this even matter? Like, why does... You know, why do why do mining pools need an extra income source? You know, a lot of a lot of these mining pools are losing, will eventually or they are, like, on... Right now, they're not losing money because Bitcoin is, like, you know, going insane. But there are stats, you know, and other things, like, we can go into where, you know, essentially, for it to... For Bitcoin to keep on, being a high return for mining pools and miners in in general, it needs to go up, like, two x every year, you know, for the next hundred and twenty years for, you know, mining to be a very lucrative industry. And for that to happen, Bitcoin has to reach, like, a $50,000,000,000,000 to... Token price per Bitcoin, something of that nature. And not saying, you know, Bitcoin, we can't go into infinity, but that's a pretty high price. And I think, essentially, what NAT can do is it can bring... Can can keep, like, decentralization with Bitcoin mining and keep incentives high still. And that's kinda like the new narrative that's being shifted in our little, you know, corner of the space and hopefully can start to kinda spread widely to other mining pools to start accepting it and to really, like, see, like, oh, like, this could be something actually serious. You know? And so that's, one little... That's not... It's almost like a little project, but it's one thing that's being built just on TAP itself. Right? That's what TAP enables, and that's a a project, an l one meta protocol on Bitcoin or a meta protocol, not really l one, but a meta protocol on Bitcoin that allows for things like this to take place. Right? So, I would say take a look at TAP. TAP right now, you know, it's also, like, a... It's a ecosystem token, technically, that all... That this enables all of this. Right? So that is one of them, and there's many other things that you can build on top of tap tap. And, yeah, that's kinda, like, the high level, I guess.
[1:28:31] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Can I clarify one thing?
[1:28:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Appreciate it, man. It's Yeah.
[1:28:34] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: To infinity and beyond.
[1:28:37] NatNat @Natnatx007: Guys, one one thing I wanted to mention real quick. Since we're since we're speaking of privacy coins, look at Litecoin. It literally just started its move.
[1:28:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, that's the ATC effect, baby.
[1:28:50] Voice C: And for people listening to the space, that's what it is.
[1:28:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Aaron, great stuff.
[1:28:56] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Well well, thank thank you for that explanation, and, I'm gonna have to go pull up my Unisat and go check that bag of NAT that I bought last year.
[1:29:07] Voice C: Yeah. Well, yeah, you... That's crazy.
[1:29:08] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: We appreciate it.
[1:29:09] Voice C: Yeah, man. That's crazy that you bought it last year. That's that's some that's some real alpha shit that you that you were doing, man.
[1:29:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, gamer... Gamer's gonna Yeah.
[1:29:17] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: In the trenches.
[1:29:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Gamer's gonna try and... We... We've been asking him to be our quant on ATC, but all he likes to do is just come in here and tell us. I told you so. So... But And
[1:29:25] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: the weather in the Bay Area.
[1:29:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And the weather in the Bay Area. Exactly. Good point. Aaron, great stuff. Yeah. Landy, go for it.
[1:29:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: So you asked a you asked a a very good question, about homomorphic encryption, versus ZK. The the use case is very different. So for homomorphic encryption, I'm gonna say it again. Homomorphic encryption, Meta Beast, That's... It it it allows... Is encrypted data that does not need to be decrypted. And what it allows for is for you to run operations against that data. And then when you have ZK or zero knowledge proofs, that's your proving a statement. So you're you're proving the encryption of the hash on the other side, and that's for, validity purposes. Right? So is is encryption and one is for validation. Right? And that's that's gonna be your primary difference. The mechanisms for the encryption is also different. So there... There's there's also performance considerations. Right? Homorphic encryption is pretty heavy. ZK is pretty light. Right? So they're they're very different use cases, and and and they allow for very different things.
[1:30:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good stuff. Yeah. I was looking it up also, and it shows Phoenix track network. Codi v two is essentially the homomorphic encryption side, and then z k is z k... Z k sync, scroll, start, net, MENA, and all the other z k ver... Verifiers. So, really, really interesting stuff, man. Really interesting. I think, like, the big differentiator as I'm looking at GPT now, kinda educating myself is, homomorphic encryption is confidential computation versus ZK, which is private verification, kinda to what Landy was just saying. Oh, look. I just got a Zora airdrop. What is this madness? Is this real? No. This can't be real. Sorry. The squirrel.
[1:31:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: You're a trillionaire? You're a trillionaire now? Because I I I looked in one of my one of my base wallets, and I was a trillionaire. And I was like, wow. Well, I mean, I knew
[1:31:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: I was close. I didn't know I was this close. Yeah. Seriously. Aaron, listen. Like, at the end of the day, like, I would love for you to kinda come back, on ATC, man, like, the future, and hopefully very soon because this is the kind of stuff where we initially hear about something because, like, I wasn't familiar with a lot of this stuff. Right? And so this is the first time that it's kinda on my radar. So I would love for you to come back, man, after we've had the chance to maybe kinda, like, do our own little digging and our own little research and and be able to really kinda, like, break this down and, and really understand it a little bit better so we can ask you maybe some more, like, intelligent, knowledgeable questions that, you know, we can hopefully relay to the audience also as well if you'd be down, man.
[1:32:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: I second that.
[1:32:13] Voice C: I I would love to do that, and I would honestly love to bring our our our founder, Benny. He's a genius, this guy, and he's the reason behind, like, the homomorphic encryptions and and enabling all of this and doing... And and doing these certain, like, detailed, you know, features or add ons to, you know, to this network and why he chose to do certain things as far as, you know, not being being more like a blockless network. You know, he he can answer all that on a very high level. I can be part of it and try to try to help translate that tech tech talk. You know? But, I mean, I think there's a lot of knowledgeable people like Landy with that explanation. That was a great explanation. And and, obviously, like, we have our handy dandy friend, GPT, and others. But, but, no, I I would love to, man. This is a great this is a great space, a great, great place where, you know, we can all just kinda kick it and and chill and, you know, that... I really appreciate that that invite again.
[1:33:13] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I can promise my questions will be intelligent.
[1:33:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No. We can't problem... We can... We we we can't sign off on anything Metabeast does. But wait. Real quick. Know Stella can... Stella, did you did you have a question about anything, like, track related?
[1:33:25] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Yes. That is correct. Hey. How is everyone doing?
[1:33:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey, Stella. What's up? It's good to talk to you. I don't think we've ever spoken before.
[1:33:32] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Yeah. No. Not not on this space. Not in your not in your space. Yes. Well, you know, I saw gamer at first, and then I just wanted to follow-up on gamer's question kind of since we are from the trenches together. Is that... Nat is the same token or some sort of inscription that we did blindly with Benny in the Discord? Like, nobody knew what was going on, to be honest with you. I had no clue. Is is the... And I'm like, I'm trying to find where that wallet is, and I think I have it. So how do I sort of... I guess, what kind of explorer I use or, like, how do I find out that, okay, these are the tokens? Because there's so many inscriptions in these wallets.
[1:34:24] Voice C: Yeah. Well, actually, what I would do, I think the best way to see if you have, like, NAT, maybe you you inscribed it, you know, be... Before it launched or something then it was like an airdrop. I'm not sure how it came to be at. You know? I wasn't really around much when that came out. But I think a good way to find out, and I think anyone if that's, like, trying to figure, like, you know, find out if they have any NAT tokens, go to, like, Taparoo Swap or RUX. It's our it's our, AMM on top top of Bitcoin. So one of the first AMMs ever created. It's called RUX or TaparooSwap. And disconnect your Unisat, disconnect any wallet on there. I think you can connect Unisat. I'm trying to see it to make sure. Yeah.
[1:35:09] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: I think I used...
[1:35:11] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. So so, Stella, the the Unisat should show... Because, also, there was that other wallet, but I think they went belly up. So that's why all I have now to check is Unisat. Yeah. This was back when the whole... Remember the digital matter theory? Yes. Yes. The end. Yes.
[1:35:29] Voice C: I remember.
[1:35:30] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. So this was around that time where Nat came out, and then that's when the NatCats kinda blew up and, you know, skyrocketed, made all kinds of money.
[1:35:39] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Yeah.
[1:35:39] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. So that's that's when this whole Nat thing was coming around, and looks like it looks like they've been nonstop building. So that's why I plan to...
[1:35:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: The Nat
[1:35:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: token predates all of that. Pre... The NAT token predates
[1:35:51] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: No. I know. It it goes way back. DMT stuff. Yeah.
[1:35:54] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Well, what about those GIB and other names? And what are what are those then?
[1:35:59] Voice C: GIB is like a... An... A Tap meme coin. Right? It's like the first Meme Coin on on TAP, technically. Right? Yeah.
[1:36:07] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Okay. Understood.
[1:36:08] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So so TAP TAP TAP is, like, the the... It's like the... Everything was kinda built under it. So it's like the... Like like an umbrella. Right? So taps... Sits at the top, and then all the other ones kinda branched off of it.
[1:36:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I'm gonna need a TLDR on all this, by the way, because I was describing everything and anything. And I was in a million different Discords back when I was frequent Discord. So I'm gonna need a TLDR on this gamer. Please, Stella, like, help me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I inscribed a ton of stuff. So if I have NAT token sitting somewhere in a wallet, not NAT NAT to... Not to be confused with NAT NAT token, which, by the way, you shouldn't buy it.
[1:36:43] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. NATNA. Buy NATNA token.
[1:36:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Buy NATNA token. But...
[1:36:46] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Yeah. You probably do have it because I was doing the same exact thing. I was just pressing buttons and typing on Uniset, you know, and adding the comma here. Oh, no. The the the quotations have to be there. Oh, no. The space. How do we inscribe this actually correctly? And and that was going on from Discord to Discord, and and then, you know, obviously, Benny was swamped with everyone asking gazillion questions. And and... Yeah. And I believe I do have a lot of things. But the way I picked this up was Ordinal's wallet. They just kept tweeting about it. You know? They just kept saying, saying, oh, look at Nat. Look at Nat. And, yes, that was, like, summerish, you know, summertime. And then I I thought, okay. Maybe something is... I don't know. Maybe something's up. But but, you know, all the tokens I have, like, are showing up. Like, I'm I'm, like, really rich. I'm really rich according to to the expert's wallet. Right?
[1:37:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Stella, don't forget the randomness. Stella, don't forget the
[1:37:48] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Yeah. I know. I'm like a ruined millionaire. I... I'm a ruined millionaire.
[1:37:51] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I've Is is your Ordinals wallet still functioning, Stella? Or is it still
[1:37:56] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: You see, I never used the... I I I imported it into into Unisat.
[1:38:02] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Into Uniset. Right? Yeah. That's what everyone...... How I use it. Okay.
[1:38:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's how
[1:38:06] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: I use it. Exactly.
[1:38:08] Voice C: Yeah. It... So if... I think the best way to do it if... Do you have Tap Wallet or no?
[1:38:13] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: No. But I was thinking to do it. Yeah.
[1:38:15] Voice C: Yeah. Tap Wallet might be the best way, and then you can kinda see from there on Ordinance Wallet, on RooX, how much actually DMT net you hold. And then you can kinda, like, if you want to sell or, you know, like, add add liquidity, whatever you wanna do. Right?
[1:38:30] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Right. Right. Understood. And... They do require the transfer inscription. Correct?
[1:38:39] Voice C: Yes. But it's one traction... One transaction transfer, so it's pretty easy.
[1:38:45] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Okay. Understood. Yeah. Alright. I won't take any more of of your time. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
[1:38:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: No problem. Dave, and thank you, NetNat. Oh my gosh. Transfer inscriptions. Bringing me back. You're bringing me so far back.
[1:38:58] NatNat @Natnatx007: Sounds like so much fun.
[1:38:59] Landy @CryptoLandy: I I just... Is pipe coming back? Please let me know if pipe's coming back. We were like, guys, we think we get something going.
[1:39:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Right? Like like, we were, like, all in, like, a discord. We were like, we're onto something. We just don't know what the hell it is. But we we... They're telling us to do this, and we're gonna try and do this. And meanwhile, we're probably sitting on millions of dollars right now, like, schmucks, and we
[1:39:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: have no idea. Much DMT now. There's so much NAT tokens, and I didn't even realize that there was anything to this until
[1:39:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: he just sent it. Please So please find me millions of dollars in my in my Unisat wallet, in my Ordinals wallet.
[1:39:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: Let's let's not go and tank the price.
[1:39:34] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: Yeah. Yes. I was I was about to say exactly
[1:39:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: the same. Can we not do that, please?
[1:39:39] Voice C: Yeah. Just add liquidity. That's fine too. You know? Go go to the LP. I do like LP.
[1:39:46] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Yeah. Anybody spare some sats?
[1:39:52] Stella.Crypto @StelladotCrypto: This is like, you got any sats?
[1:39:54] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Real real quick. Real quick. Well, do do you happen to know how much 10,000,000 net is worth?
[1:40:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, here he goes. There's only one in that.
[1:40:04] Voice C: It's worth that much.
[1:40:04] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: $14.99.
[1:40:07] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yes. 3... $14.99? Damn.
[1:40:10] Voice C: I I have... I bought a little bit when it was pumping in August, and I have, like, you know, over 10,000,000,000, and it's really not that much net.
[1:40:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: So Aw, gamer.
[1:40:21] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Because because this is the one that was evolving. Right?
[1:40:23] Voice C: This is Exactly. It it means
[1:40:26] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Right? It kept evolving?
[1:40:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:40:27] Voice C: Yeah. Yeah. So it's... It not like a... Like, basically, the the tokens... More tokens are admitted every time a new block is rewarded, and and that's the only inflation aspect of it. Right?
[1:40:43] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yo. Okay. Cool. Yeah. That... I just I just checked one wallet, but I got, like, 40 wallets to check here.
[1:40:49] xFactor @xFactorPOL: So Yo.
[1:40:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: Thank you. Yeah.
[1:40:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Stay. And and bring bring, yeah, bring bring Benny. Like, please. Like, like, let me know. Bring Benny. Like, we will announce it. Like, I'm sure we could probably spend half a space, if not a whole space, on on some of this stuff. So...
[1:41:03] Voice C: Oh, for sure. And and and Benny can Benny can divulge into any conversation and, like, and really, like, talk high level. He's he's he's he's great. I mean, you guys probably know. Right? He... He's... Like, Stella and Alpha, you guys... He... He'll sit in... Like, he used to just sit in the serve... Disco servers and, like, help everyone out. Like, he's not a typical founder. He's a really,
[1:41:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: he's a DJ like Bart
[1:41:26] Voice C: but also a a genius too. So... We like
[1:41:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: to get Jack and Ian in here as well when when you invite Benny.
[1:41:35] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Who?
[1:41:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Jack Binswich and Ian. They're
[1:41:40] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: from the
[1:41:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: badges community. They did, they took they took, DMT to stacks.
[1:41:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Oh, that's right. I forgot.
[1:41:50] Voice C: Yeah. That'd be an interesting conversation between the two.
[1:41:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. That means how long were you holding that Benny and the Jets comment? You must have been. Was like,
[1:41:57] Voice D: You were
[1:41:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: like, Benny and
[1:41:58] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: No. No. No. No. Once somebody said and other people, then, yeah, then I said, oh, yes. Benny and the Jets. No. I I just have a requiem, if I may, before we go.
[1:42:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Hold on. Before we go. Yeah. Hold on. Go
[1:42:09] NatNat @Natnatx007: ahead. Oh, are are you about to close out right now, Dave?
[1:42:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No. Go ahead. You got something else you wanna
[1:42:13] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: No.
[1:42:14] NatNat @Natnatx007: I was about to say that I I I do have to leave, but it was really, really nice getting to know the track network. Erin, welcome any any any time here. We really did appreciate having you on. A great question. They had us thinking for a little bit. Right? And I'm glad that he was here to help us dive into dive into it.
[1:42:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Good stuff. Nat, go for it. Yeah. And Metabeast is gonna requiem us out. But, yeah, appreciate everybody coming through. Landy Gamer, as always, Stella, amazing. Justice, Meta Beast. Max, I know we couldn't get to you, bro. I'm sorry, but it's a little bit late. Cool, guys. You know, cool start of history and probably already. This is the last ATC of the week. We'll obviously see you guys on Monday. Meta Beast, go for it. Take us out, my brother.
[1:42:50] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Here's another one we lost along the way.
[1:42:53] Voice K: ATC listeners. This is Rectuium of a Dream. Tonight, we carve another name into the ledger of the lost. Today's contestant to come on down to the crypt of deceit is Squid Game Token 2021. Hype is the deadliest drug in crypto, and in the autumn of twenty twenty one, it came wearing a mask. Netflix's Squid Game had captured the world, and so appeared Squid Game token. Squid, a coin dressed in the show's colors, promising a play to earn game where survival meant profit. D gens piled in. The chart rose like a rocket, climbing over 75,000 in days. Headlines screamed. Telegram groups filled with believers dreaming of millions. But there was a rule hidden in plain sight. You could buy squid, but you could not sell. The exit was walled off. The honeycomb game already rigged. Then came the rug. In a blink, the developers cashed out, fleeing with more than $3,000,000.
[1:44:02] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Bastards.
[1:44:03] Voice K: The price collapsed from over $2,800 to nearly nothing in minutes. Thousands were left holding tokens worth less than a penny, watching in real time as their hopes dissolved into dust. Squid Game token was not the first scam nor the last, but it became a symbol, the perfect reflection of blind greed, cultural hype, and the danger of chasing easy fortune. A reminder that in crypto, the games are often fatal, just not for the ones running them. The dream was televised. The requiem was scripted from the start, and the players all got played.
[1:44:44] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's been requiem of a dream. Thanks for listening to All Things Crypto. We hope you guys learned something. Keep yourself safe, please.
[1:44:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, Meta Beast. Everybody, have a good night, great weekend. Once again, Track Network. Aaron, thank you, man. We look forward to having you back soon. Appreciate everybody coming through, man. We'll see you all next week. Peace and Blitz. Thank you, bro, for the Zcash. Amazing combo, my bro. Let's cook. Everybody have a great weekend.
[1:45:08] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let's go fucking.