All Things Crypto: $20B Go Poof, Coordinated OR Market Volatility?

# All Things Crypto: $20B Go Poof, Coordinated OR Market Volatility? | 2025-10-13 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1yNxabRnPvgKj | status: approved
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[0:00:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: GM GM, my peeps. What's up? We are gonna get started in just a second. Wait for my co host to get here and my speakers. And once they do, we are going to cook. Meta Beast, I think you're going to like this one, my friend. I think you are going to like this one. Let's go.
[0:01:12] Moni @monitalan: Markets move fast, we're the ones in power. Mike left, Charles Lit, Dave set the pay. Every take a gym, every call a check. We don't follow trends. We... I create more men. Some from credit, fire, to chain fry. We've been a system. They talk TV. We talk tokens and truth. We don't miss the web. We have built the booth. We don't chase coins. We chase conviction. Every job decoded, every mark in this. From the top to the street, it's pure ignition.
[0:03:32] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: You'll be hearing from my people.
[0:04:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is all things crypto.
[0:04:05] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Come on.
[0:04:06] NatNat @Natnatx007: That song is such a vibe. What?
[0:04:11] Moni @monitalan: I feel like we needed a team song. No?
[0:04:14] xFactor @xFactorPOL: That's a... That... That's that's gonna drop at the clubs in South Florida soon. Skrillex remix coming
[0:04:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go, bro. You know what I'm saying? Cool lifts, weights, and portfolios too? Come on, man. In what world? Like, that's... Come on. Are you kidding me? That's... Mean, personally, my favorite was Monica, the GPT was wild. He said Monica was the referral princess. I was like, goddamn. I was like, hey, GPT. What do you know about everything that I say about the whole thing's crypto? Hey. Listen. It it spits it out. You know? I feel like that was a banger, but, you know, Landy, the maxi, laser eyes beaming. I thought that... There was no puppet mention, but we could always adjust. It is what it is. But what's good, everybody? Happy Monday. Hope everybody's doing well. Welcome to ATC, the first episode of the week, and boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, do we have a lot to talk about. This weekend was absolutely wild, but before we get into the stories... And nobody lead into the stories. Let's just say what's up real quick, and then we're gonna get into the stories. Because I hate when people do that. It's like, oh, you know what? Did you see this this? No. Gamer's not here. We're not gonna let them screw this up. Cool. What's good, bro?
[0:05:21] Kool @koolcryptovc: How you guys doing? Dave, what's up? Happy happy Monday. Let's go. I'm ready to back to you. Nat Nat, what's up, my guys? It'll be Monday. Matt will be ice doctor. Let's go. Ready for
[0:05:30] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: the show. Let's do it.
[0:05:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Nat, what's cooking, baby?
[0:05:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: What's up, Dave? I've been looking towards this space all day long. I mean, there's a lot to cover. Can't wait to dive into it.
[0:05:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Puppet, what's cooking, bro?
[0:05:46] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hi. Hi. How is everybody? I'm here. It's, like, it's 02:30PM on the West Coast. It is not sunny. It is not beautiful. It's overcast and nasty. And I don't know. Like, I keep hearing that, like, something happened and, like, I'm... I haven't been paying attention. But, apparently, like, there's been things going on, so I guess we'll talk about it or something.
[0:06:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is like, I'm making so much money. Apparently, there was some drama over the weekend. I don't know. But, I mean, the platforms were literally closing out my positions because I was making too... You know you're making too much money when a platform auto closes and deleverages you. Okay? That's when you know you're making way too much money. Okay? That's how this works. This is crazy. We're gonna get into that too, by way. Meta Beast, what's cooking, my brother?
[0:06:35] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I'm plummeted.
[0:06:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's Meta Beast's word for he's happy. Flummoxed is good. That's great. You... Did you hear polymetaversal list or whatever?
[0:06:47] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That was I did. I did. I did. I heard something else. I did DM you on it. You may wanna take a look. I could've been... Could be wrong. But I am on Cool's top five leaderboard list on Wallchain, which really befuddled me.
[0:07:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, look at
[0:07:04] Kool @koolcryptovc: that. No way. A little bit
[0:07:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: of hard work, a little bit of consistency,
[0:07:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: and look at that.
[0:07:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're on CoolCryptos top five wall chain leaderboard mindshare. Isn't that nuts?
[0:07:16] Moni @monitalan: And I realized we're not
[0:07:17] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: in Kansas anymore, but I was more curious for my spot on the leaderboard. I haven't asked.
[0:07:24] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Cyber warrior, go look at his profile. He posted, like, the top 100 today on on all the epochs.
[0:07:30] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: The one one the one that did not come across my timeline, Gofinder.
[0:07:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. But I I I got you, Meta Beast. Don't worry about it. If you need it, I got you. Just give me one second. I'll pull it up for you. But in the interim, let me say what's up, X Factor. What's cooking, my brother?
[0:07:43] xFactor @xFactorPOL: What's up, fam? How are we doing? Missed you. Man, it's it's crazy because, like, we from Friday to Sunday, I don't really get to talk to you guys on a personal level on this space, and I... And I'm starting to fucking, to freaking miss you guys. You know? It's, it's crazy. But, yeah, this is an awesome awesome crew. I I love being here. It's a great way to start my week. My my workday freaking sucked, and I'm really looking forward to it. So excited to chop it up.
[0:08:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's not make it weird. Let's not make it weird. Yep.
[0:08:10] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Yeah. We can make it
[0:08:11] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: a little weird.
[0:08:11] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Yeah. That's fine. Who wants to run? That's fine.
[0:08:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bouquet, you gotta chill out for a second. Don't forget, Bouquet, don't think I forgot you, bro. You were the one that had me scrolling 15, 20 pages deep when you were like, oh, yeah. I just tweeted about aligners, like, this morning. Can you find my spot on the leaderboard? So, Bouquet, I'm a come to you, bro, but just chill for a hot second. But, guys, there was some madness, madness, madness that went on. Yo. Shout out to everybody that's here. Millie, I see you. Vince, what's good, bro? Bildo, what's cooking? Cruciapixio, Dee, what's cooking? Dee, I'm plugged in a 100%. Yo. Shout out to Adrian. Adrian, thank you for coming through on the livestream this morning. If y'all missed it, go back and watch magic hour. We had Carlitos. We had Jamzi on the magic hour this morning talking with Roger from Aligners. Talk about Alpha City, boy. Whoo. You do not wanna go and miss that one. But the the new Hey.
[0:08:58] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Hey, Dave. Really quick on on that space. I tried to join you guys and talk, but you don't have an actual space going on there. Right? It's a it's a it's like a
[0:09:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: YouTube video. Bro. Like, the... You know, that's for, like, the fancy setup people, bro. Like, I don't got that kind
[0:09:10] xFactor @xFactorPOL: of I was about to say, bro. I was, like, figure... Trying to figure out for, like, fifteen, twenty minutes. I was like, bro, why the hell can I talk
[0:09:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: on this
[0:09:16] xFactor @xFactorPOL: shit? Anyways, good. Yeah. Sorry.
[0:09:18] Crypto BŁÅçķ-Øpş @Crypto_BlackOps: Yeah. Yeah.
[0:09:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm not I'm not that fancy, bro. I don't got that kind of setup. You know mean? You need, like, money money to have, like... You need, like, roadcasters and stuff. I don't got that. You know what mean? I'm not from buying Roadcasters. I'm I'm buying Bitcoin, bro. Like, get out of here. But this weekend, monster weekend, and Landy and I went back and forth in the DMs, in the chat, trying to figure out what the hell happened. The biggest liquidation in crypto history took place over the weekend. 20,000,000,000 just went poof overnight, and we were like, And I'm like, come on. I'm seeing Marty... Bro, when I was start... When I started agreeing with Marty party, that's when I know there's obviously a problem. So I had to... Obviously, there was a hard reset that had to be done. I had to share some information with Landy and be like, is this true? Is this not? But, guys, 20,000,000,000 going poof overnight over the weekend. It is not... Let me tell y'all something. Okay? It is not easy watching a portfolio of yours when the majority of what you own in Bitcoin, opening up the wallet and seeing it down significant 5 figures, and you're just like,
[0:10:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: not fun. And then the family looking at you like, what's the matter? And I'm like, nothing. I'm I'm good. Everything's fine. Everything is totally totally fine. I'm good. Everything's fine. Cool. What the hell happened this weekend? What's the deal? What was your take before you can give mine? Let's go around and hear what what what y'all did.
[0:10:40] Kool @koolcryptovc: So, yeah, it was it was interesting. I I am lucky. I'll say luck... I I won't say lucky. I'm happy I'm happy and lucky because at the same time, I think it it was lesson I learned from history. Four years ago, you guys know my story. I'm not gonna say it again. You know, being... I went up like crazy when when I went down. So this time around, I vouched myself that every time I receive any, rewards or whatever it is, that money goes into Bitcoin, ETH, or u s... USDC. So when the crash happened, I I was on... Was I was on my live show. I was in the show Friday, evening, and my phone was blowing up. I was like, yo. What the hell is going on? And the chat... The chat... The live chat I was on YouTube. Like, hey. Cool. You need to go look at your... Go check the market. Like, we'll check the markets. And I logged in. I was like, wait. What? I I thought it a glitch. I was like, yo. What's this? The funny thing was what what what I saw were actually better better prices than what actually happened. So when I did did some deep, deep dive, I was like, oh my god. This is actually much worse than than what I saw. So, basically, I I I have the tube. I can't pull it up. I'm driving. But, for example, Atom, Cosmos. Cosmos went from $4 to 0.004. We got... We... We're having tokens down 85%. So I think it was a flash crash, and it happened very quickly. So I... A lot of people cook... Because I was like, I saw some tweets online saying, oh, I I missed the generation of buy. I was saying, what what the hell are you talking about, man? And that's when I I realized that, oh, wow. Things actually went down 90% within minutes, and they went went back up. So some people bought bought the dip. Right? Other people had... They have the chance to. But this was the craziest thing I've ever seen in my crypto history. I've never seen anything like this before. And it it it was shocking because it it it hit me at first, but it didn't really hit me because my portfolio didn't go down. Not really. Most of my assets are in EAP and freaking Bitcoin and in, what's it called, stablecoins. So I I... It didn't really go down, man. But a lot of people that I know lost a lot of money, A lot of money because these people, they trade with millions. They they, they use very low leverage. Unfortunately, their positions were liquidated because Binance, they they had a stop loss. They had a stop loss. I... Very low. If you use low leverage, right, and you're trying to... You know, your your liquidation will will be like a... Like, $2,100 a week. If if you have your flash crash like this and it went down, you... People lost money. Millions and million... Millions lost. And I think the reason why things were this were this bad was because a lot of big money banks... Banks, a lot of VCs, their positions got liquidated too. So that's why it was that heavy billions wiped out within, like, minutes. But I... Like I said, I wish I would've caught the generation bottom because things went down that heavy, and look at where they are now. So... But I'm just... Like I said, I I I was shocked by the same time. I've been to hell with crypto, so I wasn't really really that shocked. Know? I think I was just shocked at the the the speed at which the liquidation happened at the the generational wealth wipeouts. That that was what shocked me that quickly. And so... And the... Does it show you guys how insane this was? This crash was worse than FTX, was worse than Luna, and was worse than the COVID crash. So that that shows you how bad this was. But because it was very fast and recovery was fast, so people didn't really... Can really understand what really happened. But I I I... No. I I had to do a show on Saturday. I canceled my AirDrop show and made it like a like a therapy session. I had a therapy show for three hours. No, I'm just serious. I I held a therapy show on Saturday morning for three hours because I knew people were devastated, where people's money were lost. I had to kinda... I assure them, see, you're gonna be okay. Because if we survive COVID crash, if we survive lunar crash, if we survive f t f t t crash, 're gonna be okay. So... But I'm I'm still blown away by this. Let me let me hear what everyone else have to say, but crazy... This space is nuts, guys. Absolutely nuts.
[0:15:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. He said... And by the way, I think it was those three crashes combined, which is nuts. But, Nat, I wanna hear what, like, what you got going on. How was your weekend? What did you do when this happened? Where were you? Like, this is one of those moments. You know what I mean? What what... What's the deal? And how much, also, how much money did you make so I know exactly how much I need to write off on my outstanding bill?
[0:15:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. The 88,000. That bill is climbing. Right? Honestly, guys, we can't... Some of us did see the the drawdown coming. Obviously, no one in this world could tell you how fast it was gonna happen. Like, we knew there was liquidity building up around that 108106105 area. Obviously, as as as a trader, you kinda get into the mindset that it's going to get there over time slowly but surely kinda thing. So we kinda didn't know... We knew a a downturn was gonna happen, just not that one quick flash. I remember having my my short. And prior to a space that I did earlier that day, was like, okay. We usually pump during this space, so let me close my short. But we didn't pump during that space. I'm like, okay. Something's very interesting. The liquidity is getting heavy at the bottom. Let me reopen my short. And I did, and I was actually out with my daughter. My daughter had this... Her school had this, I forgot what it's called. It's like a a little thing where we... Where where kids and the parents, they they they
[0:16:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Open school night.
[0:16:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yes. Yes. And we were playing around. We were having fun. And then my my cousin called me, and he's like he's like, Prima, I got... Prima is Spanish for cousin. Right? He said, I got liquidated. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah. Like, I like everything? He's like, yeah. I was like, no. It can't be everything because you have some USD. He's like, yeah. So not the USDC or USDT, but everything that was in perps, even with the stop loss, it didn't take a stop loss. It just kept taking everything. So it it it was sad, and that's when I looked at my phone. I was like, oh my god. I saw Bitcoin at, like, $10.03. I'm like, what in the world? But it came up so fast. By the time I was able to log in on Aster and sell my position, it was already, like, about, like, like, above $1.10. I'm like, oh my god. But you know what? In in moment... Moments like these, I kinda resonate with those that that lost some money because we've all been there. All been there. Like, school of hard knocks teaches you the toughest lessons, and these are lessons that you don't forget. These are lessons that you take with you for the rest of your life. Right? Now these individuals know... Just to be careful even with your stop losses, don't don't trade more than you can... Than what you can't afford to lose. Right? And that's with everything everything across the board. But it it was it was very interesting. I I I know that at some point, these wicks to the downside, they get revisited. Right? So these wicks can be seen like a be right back. Not saying that it's gonna happen, like, right away. I'm trying to see now what I'm looking at. I'm looking I'm looking at that one sixteen to one eighteen k area because there is liquidity once more building up around that one ten k. Again, I don't think we're gonna get there, like, right away being with what just happened, but I would say, you know, proceed with caution here. This... Just because the sun is out doesn't mean the storm is over. So that's what I'm looking at. I'm looking at that one sixteen, one eighteen area to see if we reject. If we reject heavily within those pockets, I think maybe one ten or below again. So just just be careful. With regards to alts, honestly, my alts bag wasn't wasn't affected. Like, he he did have fell, but it bounced back so strong. I'm one... I'm up almost 200% ROI. My XLM bag up. My ADA bag is up. All of these alts, the ones that I had, right, those dinosaur coins, they weren't really affected like that. Even even Aster, right, I I have a limit order set at at 40¢, and that didn't get filled. So, yeah, it really does... It really... At this point in time with all this volatility. Right? We we wanna be careful how much we invest in, but what we invest in as well. Right? A lot of these shit coins got completely depleted, and some of them didn't even bounce back.
[0:19:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wild wild stuff. Yeah. Adrian, give me a second. I know, and Landy's been chomping at the bit to get through this. Landy, give me your assessment, bro. Like, great stuff, Nat. I appreciate... And when you say all... Nat, which is actually a real quick question. When you say altcoins were in fact, bro, I saw ADA down to 36¢. Some of these things got slammed.
[0:19:48] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. But they bounced back so hard that by the time I I came home and I and I opened up my Coinbase and to really... Because I was with my daughter. Right? So I I I didn't wanna, like, take away from that bothered the other times. By the time I got home and was able to dive into what really went on, a lot of these coins bounced back. Like, when I saw ADA, it was, like, above 60¢ again. Right? When I saw Hedera, it was, like, at at 15¢ again. I'm like, what in the world? So I kinda had to look at the chart to see what happened because by the time I got home, everything was already, like, recovering.
[0:20:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I mean, even just the recovery. Yeah. Actually, give me give me one second because I want... I I do wanna go to Yeah.
[0:20:24] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Go ahead. Go ahead. Landy Landy, get in there.
[0:20:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Go for Give me... Give give... Good good stuff, Nat. Landy, give me your take, bro, and tell me why Marty Party is an idiot and why I shouldn't rename the space. Don't listen to Marty Party again.
[0:20:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, look. I've talked about this at length before. There is a liquidity problem in crypto, and that was violently exposed. You know, last week, Nat and I talked about this across various spaces, here. I mentioned how I was taking out short positions, expecting corrections, and some of the normal areas that I was looking at or identifying as areas of interest to the downside and what I wouldn't... What I wanted to see from the market to kinda be long again in the market. But I was... In fact, Friday morning, Nat and I were on a space together, and I had mentioned how I was short across markets, like, all the way across markets. And the market hadn't even really, dipped yet. Things were still kinda green. You know, we we were kinda messing around in certain areas for traditional markets and for crypto markets, But I was pretty firmly, you know, adamant about my short positions and that... And I rarely say this, that I was short across all markets, because traditional markets just... They looked like they needed to correct. Bitcoin and and crypto looked like it needed to cool down and correct. And I mentioned, and Nat has mentioned all of these levels to the downside. Now no one could have told you that they're gonna get hit by that evening, but the news actually came out about, Trump proposing a potential 100% tariff on China based on things that we knew were happening last month. So this was not really unexpected. Everyone acts surprised, and and I was very unsurprised by all of this because we knew that percent had done the the Argentina Peso trade last month. We knew that what China had been doing in some of their trade stuff with soybeans was affecting ag here. We saw it in the economic data. This stuff was not unknown to the markets. So for anyone that's claiming like, oh my god. All the positioning, oh, they did it right before this. They had insider information. Okay. I had no insider information and neither did not... Neither did many other people on that stage that were short the markets had no insider information. I had absolutely massive swing short positions being built out across various exchanges in both traditional markets on the, options trade side of things, and I had a bunch of short positions across crypto markets. So we were expecting a pullback. Why was it so damn severe in crypto? Because liquidity is garbage here. It is absolute trash here. There are very few actual liquid coins in these markets, and Bitcoin is the prime example of the most liquid coin here, followed by Ethereum and some of the other majors. Now what we saw was that the derivatives market got smashed and grabbed, and this was because of spot unwind. As soon as that news came out, it took a matter of, like, six hours before everyone got their positions, and then the whales started dumping the spot side to wipe out all of the liquidity. In fact, we went from $47,000,000,000 in leveraged open interest. That is perps and futures contracts. K? That's leverage in the markets. That's all your your perpetual trades, your three x, your five x, your 10 x, your 50 x, 100 x traders across all of these different derivative and futures contracts on all of these centralized exchanges, we're at 47,000,000,000. By the end of that evening in the low that came in, in many cases around $10.01 to $10.02 for Bitcoin alone wiped out $15,000,000,000 in leverage. That is absolutely insane. That's Bitcoin. That's just Bitcoin. That's only one pair. That's not even the inverse pair. That's not
[0:25:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: the
[0:25:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: USDC pairs. That is your USD and USDT pairs only. $15,000,000,000. Poof. You wanna know why? Because the market was longing the top. The absolute PECO top had the most liquidity that we had seen come in since last cycle. Now it's normal for price to be this high. You're going to get a lot more open interest because prices are higher. When you lever up, you're basically doubling and tripling up on that current price in terms of leverage. So this is kinda normal stuff as prices appreciate over time. But for that to be Bitcoin only and for the rest of the market, I think 20,000,000,000 is just the tip of the iceberg. There was probably a $100,000,000,000 across centralized exchanges and across perp decks and all of the rest that had liquidity wiped out. I I... In fact, there might even be more. I'll give you a good example. Total market cap, that's all of crypto in terms of its market cap. And here's the biggest problem. We went down $1,000,000,000,000 in value. So from the high to that's... That low, which factors in the perpetual contracts, we lost a trillion dollars in value. And we've talked about this, and I'm gonna bring up a really... I'm sorry, Cole. I'm gonna bring up a really, really nasty example, and that would be mantra. Alright?
[0:26:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: How do you say
[0:26:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: it to me? I'm sorry. I apologize ahead of time. But when you look at the valuation versus the amount of actual liquidity, the liquidity is the real value because you're not calculating the price of the tokens that are fully liquid when you're pairing that against the liquidity. You're only pairing the liquidity against the total supply and not factoring the liquidity that's actually in the market, and it's not real. Those market caps are not real. The only thing that is real is how much liquidity you can pull out of the pools. That's the real number. That's the real value of those tokens. And all it takes is for someone to get a little froggy and say, you know what, Mantra, I don't like what they're doing. They seem to be buying tokens and then locking them up by reselling those. I don't like that. They're using other people's money as investors. They're using that money to buy this and then sell it to new investors, and they're running basically a Ponzi. I don't like this. I have a lot of tokens. I'm gonna dump the ever loving shit out of this thing and take all the liquidity out of that pool. And that's what they did. Now a lot of people can say, insider trading. Oh, they had insider info. It was the market makers. Those evil bastards. No. No. No. I'm sorry. If there was more real market makers in this game, you would not see what happened just happened. So all of the people that are there screaming about, oh my god, collusion. These people knew it. Trump knew it. He must have... His sons and baron Trump and everybody, they all got together in a room, and they figured out why we're gonna say China and tariffs on a Friday at 5PM. And then when we do that, we're all gonna be short the markets. Wait a minute. The markets are fucking closed. Excuse my language. I'll take all the chunk list to the face for this one. But the markets are closed. That would be the stupidest business. You just had options expirations. The markets are fucking closed. Why would you then announce something that will tank the markets in futures after after hours trading. And right before, you could even get new options trades in because you know Monday, it's gonna bounce. Like, that makes no sense at all. It's the most nonsensical BS I've ever heard.
[0:29:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I feel so much dumber now having listened to this and thinking the way that I was thinking before. But wait, Landy. But wait, Landy. Let me ask you
[0:29:25] Defiayodeji @haryodeji42: a question.
[0:29:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: So what is Binance compensating people
[0:29:29] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: for?
[0:29:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Why are they coming out and saying we're...
[0:29:31] Kool @koolcryptovc: We owe you money? Yeah. I was... I was... I was about ask that to me. What... Like like like, how does a a a short... How does a... Your stop loss get liquidated? I don't I don't I don't get that part.
[0:29:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: The... Okay. So here's the thing. You have... And this this is not new for Binance or any other centralized exchange. This happened on a lot of them. So I had resting orders that I was trying to get filled. Maybe half of them got filled even across centralized exchanges. In fact, I had really... I had a a a very good success filling my resting long orders that I just had as, like, emergency orders, perp decks except hyper liquid, but that's a different story. There's there's a big... The the big problem is the size of the liquidity pool. When they... When you have a flash crash, the liquidity pool for most of these centralized exchanges, they have a big pot of USDT, USDC. Right? Those are all sitting sitting in certain wallets, and they get deployed to these different contracts based on what Binance sees as needed liquidity to keep the pair in parity with the Oracle's price across different centralized exchanges, DEXs, perp DEXs. Right? So there's that baseline liquidity for the value of the token. But if it shoots through on that particular pair, you might have a stop loss. There's no way that liquidation engine can even get you because there's not enough liquidity. And this actually brings me to a point that there's people even in Bitcoin that are trying to solve this. Right? Granite protocol. Right? And and there's a few others that are trying to solve, like, the... On the loan side of things. Right? But this is on... It's the same thing when it happens on an AMM because it's all automated. It's trying to fill and hit all these stops on the way down, but its price is moving so fast, it can't even execute the fill of the stop losses. Instead, it just goes straight through to the liquidation because the liquidation engine is trying to grab as much liquidity to fill the other side of the order. So this is this is not... This happens in... This has happened in traditional markets even when I was doing market making.
[0:31:42] NatNat @Natnatx007: I was just about to say that. That happens in stocks a lot.
[0:31:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. That's why they have the pauses. Right? That's why they'll they'll pause the market and...
[0:31:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: The circuit breakers. But, Landy, the one thing I do I do wanna make sure that people understand the difference because we we were talking about this, and and just as I'm coming to you, just... I I really wanna just hammer this because I think this is this is important stuff. The difference between equity market makers and crypto market makers is the vested... The interest that the market makers and equities have, whether it's the interest, the the regulation, or whatever, they do provide liquidity where it's necessary. And then on top of that, like you guys just said, you have the circuit breakers. Right? 5%, 10, 15%. Right? Like, they're they're essentially, like, putting pauses on all this stuff. Crypto doesn't have that. So my question to you is is, number one, how do we fix the market maker problem? Because what... If I'm paying all this money, we hear all the time, oh, $70 to get listed on this one, and that's just in USDT, then you gotta provide $70 in tokens on the other side. But they don't provide the liquidity where the liquidity is necessary in times like this. So Yeah. What are we doing out here? How do we fix this problem other than us opening up a market making desk?
[0:32:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: You need you need more you need more liquidity than that. Right? If you're taking a freaking $100,000,000 token or more and you're only providing 70 k liquidity, let's say 75,000 on each side, so 75,000 on the USDT side and 75,000 on the coin side, that gives you a liquidity pool that effectively people will look at and go, oh, it's a $150,000. No. It's not. It's half. It's half. Everything you see is half. It's always half. And there's not enough liquidity. There's not enough market makers. And we have... Well, conch... Code is law, contract, contract, contracts. On centralized exchanges, they are so illiquid that half the time in last cycle... Remember, you'd go to try and log in during a time like this, you couldn't even log in to the website because, one, there's some technical issues there. Maybe you need some more servers. But you know what else they need? More liquidity. Because if you have a $100,000,000 token, but you've got liquidity so thin across all of these exchanges, Let's say you've got a 150 k or 300 k or 500 k liquidity pools across a bunch of different exchanges. When you have one that goes down and they start cascading, the Oracle's gonna keep repricing it. You're gonna get those liquidations just straight to the price because it's gonna skip every single order and go straight to that price because of the way that the indexers and oracles work. Now why do I know so much about this? Because back in the day, long, long time ago, I was involved on the DEX side of things, and we had horrible, horrible oracles and horrible indexers. And we couldn't really communicate very effectively with these new exchanges, and they would do things to, like, screw us, and we try to do things to screw them because we'd get out of sync in terms of price. Well, fact of the matter is is everything's pretty well in sync these days across centralized exchanges because of these oracles and indexers that we have to maintain price parity. But if you've got MEXC, who b books the shit out of that thing anyway, already trading against you, and they've got, you know, $50,000 on on the USDC side or USDT side of the pair, and Binance has 400,000, and Bybit has got 300,000, and and Binance takes the biggest hit. All of these other liquidity pools are toast almost in an instant. So it doesn't even matter. You have to have aggregated liquidity that is that is bolstered in the... On the biggest pairs with the most volume, and we don't have that. You wanna know a big thing that would solve that is getting Binance over here and allowing them to be in The United States so that market makers in The United States could actually make the market. Because this is bullshit. We could have had this done, but no. Chokepoint and Chokepoint two point o took all of that away from us with the finance stuff, and then we have to go state by state. So if I'm a market maker based in California or Arizona, I can't even make the damn market. I can only go to Kraken or Gemini or some of these to even to make the market. And then I'm running an OTC desk. So if I'm running an OTC desk, that doesn't even matter anymore. It doesn't matter to you if you're trading on one of these exchanges because that's only mattering in the deals that are done behind the scenes. So I can't even get liquidity to these markets. There's a big barrier, and it needs to be fixed. And I'm... I... It... This is a really good example of that. And, unfortunately, you're wiped.
[0:36:33] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Are you telling me there's no magic?
[0:36:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: There's no magic. In the in the Internet money?
[0:36:38] xFactor @xFactorPOL: No. There's...
[0:36:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. There is
[0:36:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: no magic.... Internet money.
[0:36:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Real quick. So so let let me ask you. And, Landy, great assessment, bro. Like, I I I fully... Like, I'm with that. Right? Like, that makes per... Everything you just said genuinely makes perfect sense to me. So this is my question now. Number one, centralized exchanges are a problem because the other thing I saw was when people were saying... I think it was USDE or... I forgot which stable. Was like, oh, this z pegged on Binance. It went to, like, 60¢. No. It didn't. And that is exactly what Lindy is explaining to you because on the DEXs, on Curve, there's hundreds of millions of dollars in stables on US. I think it was USDE... USDCE. I forgot which chain it was, but, like, there was hundreds of millions on Curve. Just on the centralized exchanges, it actually... There wasn't enough. Right? So when you get this kind of influx... So I guess my question now also is to you guys is... And, Nat, maybe if you if you wanna take this and, Landy, like, follow-up, cool, whatever. But is... Are we gonna see now more consolidation, or do we need to see more consolidation amongst all these exchanges just from a liquidity standpoint? Because how is the liquidity supposed to come in here? It's gotta come from somewhere. And I felt like I... I've been thinking about this since the day that I got into crypto where I'm like, there's a bazillion different exchanges. This is not gonna work. Yeah. It has to consolidate. Go ahead, Natalie.
[0:37:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: I agree. It has to consolidate. Otherwise, we'll just keep seeing these things because here... Here's the thing. Right? When you look at liquidity levels, they act as a magnet. So if things get out of control with with, all of these different, liquid... Liquidity spit all across these different decks, guess what? They won't be able to stop the next one or the next one or the next one or the next... And we'll be doing this cycle over and over. And I'm sure Landy has a lot to chime into this, so I'm I'm gonna end it with this. This is why I hedge. Right? This is why we hedge. Go ahead, Landy.
[0:38:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: She had to
[0:38:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: throw it in there.
[0:38:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is why we hedge. Let me
[0:38:31] xFactor @xFactorPOL: hedge Sarah. Let me
[0:38:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: put you on game, Dave. Nat, cool, and audience. Everybody on stage and in the audience, I'm a put you on game right now because it ain't gonna get better. It's gonna get worse. Here's why. Because private issuers are gonna issue their own stablecoins, and they're gonna provide liquidity to the pairs that they want to be associated with or or products in their portfolios. And we're gonna have so many different stables across so many different decks and that you're gonna see this continuously. We're going to have a liquidity problem, the likes of which you have never seen before. And what's gonna happen in the future is all of the leverage traders are gonna get washed and rinsed and washed again and rinsed again until regulators step in and go, hey. There's a problem. What if we all just pool our money together and pick a stable coin? And then all of these different bifurcated JPMDs and Citibanks and Bank of America stablecoins are going to all say, you know what? We think we really should all just back USDC or whatever the the name of the coin is gonna be. The Trump... T USD. Right? Trump US dollar or whatever it is. I don't know. Well, maybe they're gonna do all of that. And I'm gonna tell you there... That's the only way to do it, is to have one overarching centralized, fully controlled, fully guardrailed, not answerable to a US government or any other government, by the way, private organization, which is worse. You think CBDCs are bad? Private organizations and corporations are even worse because they don't have to follow the law. They can make rules and regulations to protect their business. That's... And this is exactly where things are going.
[0:40:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's exactly so true. And, guys, I just I just wanted to clarify one thing. Right? Because I talk about hedging a lot, but just to clarify, hedging doesn't mean that you've experienced no losses. Right? In order for one side to get a gain, the other side has to take a loss. Right? So what hedging hedging means is, like, you mitigate your risk. It'll stop your account from going to absolute zero. So for example, for me, for Bitcoin, I have spot, but then I also hedge with a short that comes in handy every time we see something like this go down. Right? Because, you know, one one one thing with Bitcoin, the volatility, you you could profit off the volatility if your hedge the right way. So with my short position on top of my spot position, it helps me profit off the volatility. So I just wanted to clear that point. And the second thing is, I I know Dave is is gonna... I can feel him rolling his eyes right now, but Hashgraph technology provides features that can significantly improve liquidity and market efficiency.
[0:41:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: What is this fabulous? That was gonna be
[0:41:26] Moni @monitalan: my question, so thank you, Era. Era. Era.
[0:41:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: So I freaky time.
[0:41:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: I have one thing to add to this. One of the things that you can look at right now, and you can go back... And I was showing Dave this. You know, on any kind of Oracle that reports spot price versus derivatives price, derivatives price... And I'm just gonna use Bitcoin as an example, but it was across the board for a lot of things. Spot price did not go where derivatives price went because derivatives are leveraged. It's all leveraged money in the system, which is why you saw those giant wicks to pennies and then right back up because the price oracles are pairing with the spot pair. Bitcoin, for instance, on its spot pair got to a $107,000 and then bounced really hard, closed above right around a 113 or something. Right? Then you had derivatives pairs that went all the way to a 100,000, like on Kraken, went to a 100,000, 101,000 on Binance, a 102 on Bybit, and a bunch of other places. And then was... We had a massive, massive spread between the derivatives and spot prices. And what that tells me and that would... That's what should tell... This should tell everyone that where do you wanna be? One, you... If you were if you were a trader, you were probably already on the short side. If you're long in the highs, I'm sorry. That just wasn't the play. Because if you're already in spot, what that is saying, spot was... And and, Dave, I was very adamant. Even as early as Monday last week, I I was talking about how I was getting short, and so was Nat and many other traders in this market. We're already hedging short. And that's... They... You know, I was a little cautious early in the week, but as the week progressed, I was like, no. I'm going in more. I'm building out an actual short position on a swing trade. And why do I do that? Same reason that Nat does that. If you have something to protect in your portfolio, your spot bags, you hedge on the way up, especially when you see periods of consolidation at highs and the highs are in. It's like, okay. Even if I lose on this trade, which if you manage your position well, you can break even very easily. But even if I lose on this trade, I'm protecting. I'm I'm providing for some portion of downside risk. And then I can take profit on that because I'm making money. I can then use that to load back up in my spot position or potentially trade it on the way back up if I wanna, you you know, utilize leverage or something like that. But this is where I really... One of the reasons why I'm even here is to teach people about how markets move so that if you're going to get in position and position yourself in markets, you have as much information or know how to at least go about processing what's happening to do things like that. Like, hey. You know what? I can actually take a hedge position against my spot portfolio in a lot of these centralized exchanges. And it pays to do so even if you're gonna lose a little bit or a fraction along the way. You you pay for times like this, and it's like insurance. I... That's the way that I view it. That's why a lot of people, they get really mad at people, traders especially, when we talk about going short when everybody's like, it's a bull market. It's a bull run. You're stupid. Why don't you say bear? You're so bearish. I hate I hate bears. We
[0:45:09] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: need the planners.
[0:45:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Run off season. My god.
[0:45:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: But we have to. You have to. Especially if you have something to protect or if you're building a portfolio, especially if you're new, you don't wanna lose everything and start over again. You gotta protect yourself.
[0:45:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. And and and That's fine. One one one more one more thing, guys. Just because we're bullish on an asset doesn't mean that we have to ignore what's in front of us. Right? Like, a lot of us are bullish on Bitcoin long term. Right? But last week, we saw the massive re... Those rejection at the same levels over and over. We saw liquidity building up at the bottom over and over. And you know what? Rejection at the top failed move higher. What happens next? We're gonna go lower. Right? And with liquidity building heavily at the bottom, it's not going to ignore those those millions and millions dollars sitting at the bottom. It's never... No market's gonna do that. Right?
[0:45:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know what I need, Nat? You know what I need? I need the I need the Nat and Landy masterclass for hedging. That's what the fuck I need. Okay? That's what I'm It's within the age. When I say this.
[0:46:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's... There's an age. Stop this.
[0:46:08] Moni @monitalan: I I don't know.
[0:46:09] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Woah. Woah. Woah. What's with the age?
[0:46:11] NatNat @Natnatx007: The Yeah. Have more like...
[0:46:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: I was
[0:46:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: born not that '25.
[0:46:15] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: That's a fine.
[0:46:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's two fines. Like, that's two fines.
[0:46:17] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Wait. Are you saying... Lan, are you saying that that's older than than what she's saying? Is that what you're saying,
[0:46:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Lan? You're right there. You do not wanna go
[0:46:24] Kool @koolcryptovc: down to The question I have is, can you... Can anyone explain to me how a project goes down 58% on Friday and on on Sunday is up 2000%? I just... Guess just
[0:46:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: because people got money, bro.
[0:46:39] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm just seeing... Breaking stuff on a timeline, man. Like, these protocols are up, like, 20 x within four, three days.
[0:46:45] NatNat @Natnatx007: You're right. That's why I I said with my aunts, by the time I got home, I saw 80 above 60 again. I was like, wait. It's coming up.
[0:46:51] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: That's what
[0:46:51] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm saying. Look. Can... Someone explain that to me.
[0:46:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like, I don't...
[0:46:54] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: Bro. I'll explain it to you, bro.
[0:46:56] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Cool. What it is... Cool. What that is is a stink thing. So what people are doing is they're putting limit orders. No. I know that's what
[0:47:04] NatNat @Natnatx007: it's called.
[0:47:04] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: It's it's called a stinker.
[0:47:06] NatNat @Natnatx007: Give me one second. So what... I don't I don't want... I wanna I wanna get this important point across because I I want everyone in the audience to be looking at this level. Landy, because you can explain it beautifully. Right? You know, my my my Spanglish, right, and your English, I think you got this. Right? So why are we paying close attention to this one one sixteen, one seventeen, one eighteen area on BTC? Why is that important?
[0:47:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Quickly. Well...
[0:47:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Because right now, that's the median of this wider range. It's also an area that was prior support and and then provided for resistance after Bitcoin fell through it, and this was three times prior. So if it gets there and it rejects again, it's more likely to gonna go visit the lows. Now we did over the weekend kinda fill out a large portion of that big wick down on spot price, but we did not do that on derivatives. So we do have to be careful. Look. There was a lot of liquidity wiped out of the market, though. I'm not looking for, like, extremes to the downside. We haven't seen levered... We haven't seen things lever up. But one of the biggest warnings that I can I can give you is if you start to see Bitcoin getting up towards resistance and it's rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, and then you see lever in the markets, and you could just use open interest? The number keeps going up and up and up and up, then that's telling you that that there's probably a good, a good amount of money that can be grabbed on the opposite side. Right? So if it's rejecting here at one sixteen to one eighteen and you see open interest continuing to rise, it's likely that people are trying to force the issue on the derivatives market and spot isn't following through. So usually, it'll go and hunt that liquidity down below. And then if you see liquidity continuing to build, like open interest going up, but it's sitting on support, it's failing to push through, it's likely gonna go back to the upside and take those shorts out of position. And that is not market manipulation. That is just how markets work.
[0:49:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: You have to go where the is. Yeah. Marty party. Okay. Wait. Hold on one second. Justice, hang on. What... Just bear with me. I need... I wanna say what's up to Adam. I also need to say what's up. You met Samar, and crime season is back, baby. Yeah. If we believe, either that or just the criminals are back. Season is back. Yeah. The criminals are back. But, Adam, what's up? Then I'll go say Samar. Adrian, that was... Game where I'm coming.
[0:49:28] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: Yo. Cool. I'll tell you what this is. This is all fake, bro. It's fake shit, fake volume, fake everything. Thank god we got fucking smart friends like Landy to fucking help us get our shit right. But I... I'm like, fucking... For me, it's like a meme. Like, you guys are trading perps? Like, really? You're... Really? There's a... There are actually people out here trading perps? Really? I I just... I'm always I'm always impressed by people who are like, I'm well, I'm hedging my blah blah blah blah. I'm like, really? Oh, man. I
[0:49:56] Moni @monitalan: just You're right.
[0:49:57] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I just...
[0:49:58] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: I I... What am I...
[0:49:59] Moni @monitalan: I have a little bit of Solana. I have a little bit of Bitcoin. I got a little bit of Ethereum.
[0:50:04] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: I mean, you know, the idea of me trading perps, bro, I don't know. It's... For me, it felt like the whole last month, man. It really felt, like, with Aster and its fucking fake volume and hype with the bullshit fucking $200,000 NFT bullshit fake. Again, cool. Fake fucking scam NFTs, sales, wash trading. It just felt like they were pulling in that retail, just sucking them in, man. Just sucking them in for the one fucking fuck you. And it felt like that's what
[0:50:35] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: that was. It was just a
[0:50:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: big So they... You're picking
[0:50:37] NatNat @Natnatx007: up this tab. Right?
[0:50:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Adam, I got Adam's f u tab. The old
[0:50:41] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: And then it's like, oh, and then Binance is like, but don't worry. We're gonna give back 250,000,000 after they just made, like, 5,000,000,000 or something. You know?
[0:50:49] Moni @monitalan: It's just like...
[0:50:50] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: It's like, what is that, man?
[0:50:51] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: That's such a joke, dude.
[0:50:53] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: I don't know. It... That's what it felt like looking at the complete outsider who's got nothing to do with it, but that's what it felt like from the outside.
[0:50:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fair. And and I I can see... I can definitely see why. But, guys, I wanna move it along. Adrianne, Justice, go for it. Give give me a quick take, then I wanna go to gamer for a quick take, and then I want us to keep keep rolling. We got a lot to cover.
[0:51:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Justice had her hand up so long. She's like, I don't even know the hell I was gonna say. Alright, Justice. I'll come back. Gamer, go for it.
[0:51:24] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yo. What up? It's an ugly day in the bay. It's raining like cats and dogs over here, so my connection's crappy as hell. So cool. What I was gonna let you know is whenever you see a WIC like that, those are stink bid limit orders that are down there. So even, like... So so, essentially, what you do is you set limit orders even below what you think is gonna... Where it's gonna go just in case black swan events like this happen, and then you get that limit order filled down below, like, on Bitcoin at a 107. Right? And then it whipped all the way back up. But then for for me, what I've seen is whenever you see that happen, price will usually go back down a little bit before it gets a buying support level. Meaning... Because whenever that happens, it essentially wipes out all the limit orders off the books. Right? So think of it as, you know, we're we're falling down in price with the falling knife. All the limit orders get filled, pushing it back up, but then there's no more buy limit orders to fill. You see what I'm saying? So then if the selling pressure continues, very easy to push it back down, you know, into the wick until, you know, another... Or, you know, you start seeing the curve on the bottom. So that... That's just... I was just throwing that out there for you to know about that. But then, like, if you watch it, like, you know, when I was watching it, once you see that higher low, that's when I pulled the trigger, like, right under one ten and and got that, you know, got that next higher low on that bump. So at least, you know, I didn't catch the one zero seven, but I caught that next higher low. So, yeah, those are just stink bids that people set way down there. Speaking of hyper liquid, that's exact... Act... Actually, all the charts across the board, they all look the same. So so if you look at hyper liquid, it went down to, like, $23, like, $23.50, and it came all the way back up. That was all limit orders getting filled. And that... That's essentially what all that was, which is all limit orders. So, you know, I learned this pre... From previous cycles that you can actually... I mean, you could basically double your money in, like, an hour.
[0:53:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: What do mean... Wait. Wait. Wait. What do you mean by limit orders getting filled? You mean on the way down? The bounce back?
[0:53:48] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: On the way down.
[0:53:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Yeah. It's called
[0:53:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: hitting the bid. Is...
[0:53:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's what this is called. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so you can... Like like...
[0:53:57] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: It's a... Like, whatever what are... So, like... So let's say let's say Landy's saying, oh, we're going to a 116. Right? He's I'm gonna put a stink I'm gonna put a stink bid at a 110, a 105, a 100 k. Like,
[0:54:11] Moni @monitalan: I'm gonna
[0:54:12] NatNat @Natnatx007: ask some liberalize.... For clarity, though, Gamer. Right? The only way to know this, it'll be to watching the liquidity levels. Right? Or I'm gonna stop insider information.
[0:54:19] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[0:54:20] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So, like, you still gotta you still gotta have... Yeah. You still gotta know your levels. Right? You still... You can't just be like, oh, I'm putting that 50,000, and it's gonna get filled. No. No, dummy. It's not gonna get filled. Right?
[0:54:32] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: You still you still gotta look at the levels.
[0:54:35] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: You still gotta pay attention to, yeah, liquidity and everything else. But, you know, those people that got filled, like, on hyper liquid at $23 right now. You see now they don't have their money. Right? So you can do... And you could do this on anything that has limit orders. Oh, yeah. It... The rain's destroying me. But, yeah, just throwing that out No.
[0:54:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're good. You're good. And and the one point I did wanna make too. Right? Because I don't wanna kinda tie this whole, like, thing together in a nice beautiful bow so that everybody understands. Right? So if the majority of you here listening are not, like, active traders, I don't wanna harp on this too too much. But I think it is very important to know exactly how these markets work so that you can also pick your levels. Right? So when you see... Hear these guys talk about, right, like, oh, limit orders at $24 or $25 on hyper liquid, right, they're looking at a lot of these liquidity levels that you heard Landy talking about and so on. You might not be an active trader. Like Adam said, you might not be trading perps. I'm not actively trading. Right? I'm not like these guys. And the majority of us here are not like Landy Gamer, Nat Nat, right, and a few others. Right? So understand what they're... To take away what they're giving you here is understand the... Like, behind what the... Like, the crux of what they're saying is look at the liquidity levels and understand how to read this stuff in these marketplaces so that you are better equipped on exactly where you could potentially put your dollars and cents so that you hear Kool say, how did these things bounce back so much? The guy that had, you know, orders down to $25 on Hyperliquid is chilling right now at $44. You get what I mean? And here's the other thing that I did wanna say to bring this whole market maker thing whole. I put this in the chat, but I wanna share this with everybody, and I put it down below as well. If you look at Soon, if you guys remember, we had we had Bao here who's the, the intern over there, at Soon, and we had Joanna here at... Soon Network. Okay? It's a... An SVM, almost like an l two. Right? Like a Solana layer two. They... Now remember, Joanna used to work at Coinbase, so she is uber familiar with how this entire marketplace works. I heard, and I didn't confirm this, but this makes perfect sense to me seeing how Soon has been performing because there were massive outliers. When you look at it, you typically think there's red everywhere. No way did anything survive, but there's a couple outlier coins like, wait a minute. How did this survive? It survived because Joanna had the presence of mind, if from what I heard is true, to go out and hire her own market making team. Because when you list on an exchange, they can tell you, oh, we'll do it for you or you can do it yourself. And the majority of token, like, of people that launch tokens, they have no clue. They don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to making a market. But Joanna knew, and... Because Joanna has seen the inside of this beast, and she went out and said, I'm getting my own team to make this market. Look at Soon today hitting all time highs. We brought her on here. That token was 18¢. It's at a dollar and 6¢ right now, and it is the reason why. So when we talk about understand, invest in teams, invest in people, Right? And really get, like, the crux of what it is that they're trying to tell you and how their business functions. Ask a million questions. That to me is the perfect example, and I'm trying to get Joanna and Val back on here. I've already reached out to them because I think that is the... Like, that is the change that we need to see in this space. Right? Is she essentially locked up a ton of Soon and spent the dollars and cents to put her own team in place to say, we're going to provide and really make a market in Soon and not like these other, like, fakey... Like, whatever the hell you wanna call. These, like, you know, fly by night, quote, unquote, market makers that are on an exchange that literally have no experience doing this whatsoever. They're literally just trading against you this whole time. So I will hope that's clear for everybody. Yeah. Landy, go for it, then let's move on. And, I don't know if Justice fell asleep.
[0:58:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, she got her hands up again. Yeah.
[0:58:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: Give me one second just to clarify something real quick here. One of the one of the big things that when you hear tokens are getting listed and a project is providing liquidity to the exchange, right, they're giving... You know, we carved out x number of tokens so that we can list on exchanges. What they're doing is they're just giving the exchange money to put in the liquidity pool for the automated market making system. What Soon has done is they, in addition to doing that, went out and got a market making firm there. Or they hired their own market making firm to actually help make the market because it's just not enough. And that's kind of right back to the points that that Nat and myself were making earlier is there's no liquidity in this market. These markets are very, very thin when it comes to liquidity. There's no circuit breakers. And when these types of things happen, you can see who actually has real market makers with them and who's just using the automated market making system. Why did those wicks bounce back so quickly? Because all those orders that are now coming in from people going, I gotta buy, buy, buy. And when your orders get closed out on one side, it's a buy on on the other. Right? So when when shorts are taking profits, it's a buy on the other. So it starts now to hit those levels where they have to take profits or whatever. That's just the automated market maker doing its work. When you have a real market maker in there in addition to the automated market maker, you get you get projects like Soon that take a little dip, gets picked up, and just marches right along like nothing happened because they got the liquidity. And that's really what you want to hunt in these markets. And, unfortunately, it's it's it's thin just about everywhere you go.
[1:00:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. Great stuff, guys. Amazing. I feel like amazing analysis, amazing assessment. And for those also that don't know, like, I follow Miles Deutcher, like, a lot. Right? Like, I feel like he's a dude that also has a very good pulse on this market. Just I wish he wouldn't freaking eat on spaces like an animal. It's disgusting. Like, what... Stop eating on spaces, Miles. Like, you you... Like, what you have to say is completely eroded by, like, your, like, your your open mouth. Like, stop.
[1:00:49] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Why why can you hear the food food stomping? Yeah.
[1:00:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: When you hear the... Like, I hear the the food in the back of his throat. I'm like, bro, I wanna pay attention to what you're saying because I feel like it's super important, and he has great points. But come on. It's ridiculous. Stop it, Miles. But amazing stuff. Justice, I don't know if you're back, and you wanna make one final point if you can? No. Her hand didn't go back up. She just had it up the whole time. Nat. Nat. But Justice fell asleep on us, but she helped me out on the on the livestream today. Okay. I know... Listen. I I... We spent enough time. We spent forty forty fifty minutes on this right now, which is amazing, and and great, great, great analysis. It's time because this is important time. Okay? I have to say it. We saw Wallchain come out. We saw Max put out the tweet that said, make sure you go and add your wallets to wall chain. How many time... You... Cole does not wanna run another therapy session on Saturday. Do me a favor. One is enough for him. I promise you, do not make this man run another therapy session because you're like,
[1:01:52] Moni @monitalan: I didn't know. I missed that on the wall chain, but I have
[1:01:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: so many quacks, but I never added my. Stop it. Okay? If you're here right now, go to wall chain. Okay? Go to the... Literally go to the account here on Twitter, and then click on the thing that says quacks.app, and then open it up, connect your Twitter, and then add your wallet address. Add it to every single project on there. I don't care if you've ever tweeted about them or not. Add your Solana and add your EVM wallet address. Leave nothing to change.
[1:02:23] Adam McBride @adamamcbride: Wait. We gotta do it for each one or just one? I thought it was just one.
[1:02:26] xFactor @xFactorPOL: One one wallet for sole EBM, whatever the case may be. But he's he's saying just add wallets for everything all across. And the great thing is Just in case. This is a great announcement, and I'm gonna set the over under at 2.5. Like, a 100 people listening to this shit. Somebody's gonna forget in this space, unfortunately. Don't be that person.
[1:02:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Don't set the odds. We're not trying to make... Don't... You can't go pivot to prediction. We're gonna... Hey.
[1:02:50] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Let's go. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna polymarket that. Okay? And that's all that's all I'm saying.
[1:02:54] NatNat @Natnatx007: Run that back. Hold on. Run that back. Because I... You know, in for five I see. Newbie here, I have one wallet. Do I need to have another wallet? Or is one
[1:03:05] xFactor @xFactorPOL: wallet fine? You should have a Solana wall... Oh, I mean, listen. If you have, like, a Metamask that has everything, Solana, Ethereum, or whatever the case may be, it's the... It's your EBM wallet, run that. But make sure that you have a wallet that can accept the cryptocurrency that they're asking you in...
[1:03:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not EVM and Solana. Yeah. EVM and Solana. I don't know which one Wallchain...
[1:03:27] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: You said it was a...
[1:03:28] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Yeah. Yeah. But MetaMask MetaMask could do both. Right? So if you have if you have MetaMask, for example, now you could do that. But, yeah, you need you need a meta... An EBM and a Solana wallet for sure.
[1:03:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Two wallets Yeah.
[1:03:38] xFactor @xFactorPOL: One freaking platform.
[1:03:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Whatever wallet provider you guys use, I don't care. Just make
[1:03:43] Moni @monitalan: sure the
[1:03:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: wallet addresses. Yeah. Just make sure there's an EBM address and there's a Solana address in there and that they belong to you. That's it. And, yeah, gamer, go to the Wallchain account. It's Wallchain underscore x y z, and there's the link in there for the account... For the... What's it called? That's quacks. I think it's quacks.app or whatever. And, you know, everyone stay out of my money, by the way. Like, I don't know what the hell Cyber World is taking place in my Really,
[1:04:11] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: really quick, guys. This a
[1:04:12] Kool @koolcryptovc: great this
[1:04:13] xFactor @xFactorPOL: is a great segue point, guys. As soon as aligners goes TGE, if anybody needs a loan or has some sort of issues that you guys need, please feel free to slide into Dave's DMs. He's gonna be filthy rich. It's probably like... I mean, it wasn't even 26 k. Right? Because it was, like, a disclosure if you look through the aligners paperwork that it's, like, double depending on certain things. It's like it's like 60 it's like 60 racks, guys. So if if anybody needs uncle Dave to come through, just wait for aligners t g e, follow the website follow the website. Follow the x account.
[1:04:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Gross. And
[1:04:45] xFactor @xFactorPOL: you try
[1:04:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Stop counting my money stop counting my money before it's in my pocket. And for the record, that was only 5% mindshare. I'm at... I'm over 7% mindshare just FYI. $75,000.
[1:04:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: All my cold wallets all my cold wallets got liquidated on this move down. It looks like I'm gonna have to DM Dave.
[1:05:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: You better chill out.
[1:05:03] xFactor @xFactorPOL: You know what? You know you know what? Something
[1:05:05] Moni @monitalan: I I was just in a boat wreck. I was in a boat crash just two minutes ago. Dave, help me out. Yep. Oh, oh, fuck.
[1:05:13] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Bro, you got my ass.
[1:05:14] xFactor @xFactorPOL: I was like, no. No. No. I'm sorry, man.
[1:05:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: See what I'm saying, bro? Yo. X factor, chill out. And cyber warrior, I I got into him in the telegram. Cyber warrior, what are you doing, bro? Like, you're literally reaching into my pocket, and you're literally stealing, like, the money out of my pocket, like, directly, bro.
[1:05:30] Moni @monitalan: Like, stop me.
[1:05:30] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Sats? Anybody got spare sats?
[1:05:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Sat... I can't... Well, you guys know. I told you. I can't touch this... You got... Once the Bitcoin goes in, it doesn't come out. I told you. Metabeast, you know this?...
[1:05:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: Capsized the boat. It's it's all the way into the water.
[1:05:46] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: My my furry godmother scammed me.
[1:05:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, yo, Metabeast actually knows which bank, like, my my my ledger is actually in, so that's that's actually crazy. Although Metabeast looks nothing like me, so that's fine. Okay. The other thing I did wanna mention really quick, and then we'll get to the next topic, and I saw Pandora came up. Crypto black ops. Yo. Fuck your boating accident, bro. That's crazy. Like, you're literally getting some money. So real quick, I have 20 white list spots, for, like, 15, maybe 15. 15... I think 15 white list spots, cause I know that the people on stage
[1:06:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: are gonna be like,
[1:06:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: let me get a whitelist spot. So other than the speakers up here, got, like, 15 whitelist spots to be able to give out, and don't mind the crazy Moroccan noise up there. It's a Jewish holiday today. Again. Yeah. Yeah. Again.
[1:06:33] xFactor @xFactorPOL: There's no
[1:06:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: way it's another Jewish holiday, bro. It is. It is. Unbelievable. Can't make it up. We we like how... Our September, October is just... It's fire. But what do want me to tell you? Like, we like to eat. But sleepagotchi. I met the sleepagotchi team. It's gonna be a free mint, but, they collabed with, I think, everyone and anyone, 7,777. Shout out to Yemi for obviously putting me on for that one. Yemi, I see you, bro. And, yeah, I got 15 to be able to give out, and I'll give them out by the end of this space. You have to like, share, retweet, comment, the whole nine yards, and you have to be following the aligners account because there's an extra 10% go... Ongoing competition so I can make more money on the aligners. So I need everybody following the aligners account. If you're gonna be eligible... If I pick you, you have to be in this space. Okay? You have to be in this space. I will be taking screenshots of everybody here. If you are not, I will give it to the next person. Don't Physically and mentally. Yes. Correct. Both. Both. Both. 100%. Okay. Now that I have the housekeeping the housekeeping items out of the way, wall chain TGE. Cool. I need predictions, bro. What do you think is going to happen here? And Nat's actually gonna be able to win some info fi shit with us for the first time, bro. I'm excited. Nat, you're coming along for the ride.
[1:07:52] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I
[1:07:52] NatNat @Natnatx007: know. I... Guys, I know you guys have, like, hundreds and thousands of, like, the little quack point thingies, and I just got to, like, 11, and I was so excited.
[1:08:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nat, that was me. When Cool put me on to Kaito, I literally had... I think it was... I think I maybe had, like, 12 yaps. But you know how much that got me, Nat? That got me 700 Kaito, which at the time, would turned into, like, almost $1,400. So I I shoot you not. I I I hand to god that that was exact... I I... We held this... Cool. Held the space. I crashed the space. And literally six days later, they were like, surprise. CGE, bitches. I was like, okay. Cool.
[1:08:28] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: I need to speak
[1:08:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: to a manager. Yeah. So get your quack get your get your quack game up, up, up. Cool. Where are you, bro? Stop eating any of the food, whatever you're eating right now. I need to hear from you. What do you think quack t g e at? $100 a quack?
[1:08:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Damn. Bull's like, I'm... I can't even be giving speculation. I'm not trying to...
[1:08:51] Kool @koolcryptovc: Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I'm I'm here. I'm playing...
[1:08:53] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Hey. There you go.
[1:08:54] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm playing dolls with it with my daughter, man. We're playing doll dollies. So it's always
[1:08:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh my gosh. That's so beautiful. That's so beautiful.
[1:09:03] Kool @koolcryptovc: I saw the announcements today. I the announcements, and I... It's pretty quick. I think two days from now, we're gonna see... I'm I'm pretty sure it's probably either they announce how many tokens you all receive or just trade TGE, but it's probably TGE. War chain has been out for for at least, what, six, seven months now. So it's about that time. The hype is crazy on this platform right now. So I don't I don't know. I mean I mean, I don't know what direction we'll go, but I think the early early... The people that have the early badges might be the ones that benefit the most on this and the people that have the most quacks. I mean, quacks and how many badges you you... You've accumulated over time. But, yeah, I'm excited, man. Anyone I jumped jumped in when we did, and, hopefully, you guys do well of this. But, yeah, it's cool. It's fun. It's fun. I like it.
[1:09:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: How many quacks you got, cool? That's what I need to know, bro.
[1:09:52] Kool @koolcryptovc: Almost 2,000, I think.
[1:09:54] NatNat @Natnatx007: God damn. Babe, it's just me and you now, bud. It's just me and you.
[1:09:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Damn. I thought I was ahead of the pack. What the hell? Oh my god. Samara, what about you, bro? How many quacks you got, Avantis, Jeter?
[1:10:10] Samara @thee_samara: Bro, I only have, like, 60 quacks, bro. I started late. Bro, I I started quacking, like, just during the period of Avantis. You know? Yeah. Like, you know, we couldn't get the access before they went public because, yeah, people were there before. It's cool. It's, like, one of the earliest people on watching. And, yeah, he put us on, we got the early badge. So that's cool. I have two badges. I have the Avantis badge because I was top 10 on Avantis. So I have that, and I have... Well, hold
[1:10:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: on a second. Wait. How do you have an early badge and then you... What? If you had an early badge and you knew about this for
[1:10:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: a minute, why haven't you been quacking, quacker?
[1:10:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: Tamara, correct me if I'm wrong, but as soon as you... You had a few months to signed up sign up and then you get the... There's two different early badges. There's the gold quack thingy, and then there's the rose gold. Right? And then now those are done with. The new ones that are coming out are going to be, like, silver. Correct?
[1:11:02] Samara @thee_samara: Yeah. There's, gold, silver, and the bronze. The bronze. The gold, silver, and bronze.
[1:11:08] Samara @thee_samara: So I
[1:11:08] Samara @thee_samara: have the...
[1:11:09] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: What the hell?
[1:11:10] Samara @thee_samara: Yeah. No. No. Like, I think they were the... We have the gold. They... Me, Dave, cool. We have the gold. Atlantic has a gold too, I think. Yeah. Be... Because when they rolled out watching for the public, they gave us, like, a week to mince or to claim the gold badge. And after that, they released the silver and then the bronze. So I have that one and the advantage badge for being top 10.
[1:11:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Me too. Don't tomorrow, my shit looks like it's made of wood. What the hell?
[1:11:37] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's all I have. Early quacker and Avantis.
[1:11:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. My shit looks like it's made of wood.
[1:11:41] Samara @thee_samara: I think that's a bronze. I don't know. I don't know.
[1:11:45] NatNat @Natnatx007: Bronze. Yeah. I got the bronze too. I told you, Dave. It's just me and you over here.
[1:11:50] Moni @monitalan: I thought I
[1:11:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: had 700 and something quack. No. I was in early. Maybe this is gold. Excuse me. Yeah. I think that...
[1:11:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: It better be gold. Shit. That'd be a goddamn gold.
[1:12:02] Samara @thee_samara: It has to be gold. So, hopefully, we get a good drop. Like, it's it's it's ad drops again.
[1:12:07] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Yes. The one the one that I posted up is is the earliest one. I think I joined, like, on day two or three or something.
[1:12:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. So hold up a second.
[1:12:17] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: That's the one I have.
[1:12:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: This October might be the best goddamn October. Wallchain TGE, Aligners, private leader... By the way, Aligners private leaderboard is coming to a close in the next week or so. So if you're not quacking and positioning yourself, you're absolutely insane. Carlitos literally tweeted one tweet that said, oh, Aligners sounds like Alcaraz. I think it's just cool and went from 216 to 32. Okay? Just so everybody is clear. Jamsi was also on the stream today. My man was asking super intelligent questions. So if you think they're not coming, I promise you position yourself. God, I hope this doesn't eat into my mind share, bro. This is crazy. I need that money. I need that I need that money, man. Yes. But, guys, please go add your wallets on Wallchain. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. I do not want anyone being left behind. But I saw Pandora came up and Mason came up. Pandora, what's good, bro?
[1:13:13] Pandera @Dsgnrayo: Yo. Yo. Yo. Devos cooking. I see you cool. I see Mason. I see Sama. Shout out to you, bro. What's cooking?
[1:13:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Don't forget Nanab, bro. Don't try and get me drunk.
[1:13:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Was just about to say it's the female. Hey. That mean, you guys only see the men in here? Like, what?
[1:13:28] Pandera @Dsgnrayo: Nah. I can't do none that like that. Nah. I can't do none that like that. So let's go get... Yeah. This... So I think you should bring Max here. She come and tell us here. Because, you know, I got into watching. I wasn't able to get in early, but I was still able to get in early because I got a batch. So I wanna know that batch is gonna count for something. Like, we've got a good batch. It should it should count for something. We we still... One of the early people on the platform, so we should have an edge in Stan. So let Max come and tell us what our batch is gonna work in Stan.
[1:14:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. He said, yo. Bring Max here. Hey. Hey. Listen, bro. I would gladly bring them here. By the way, I'm actually gonna be on a livestream with Yuri on, October 21. So in about a week's... A week from today... Yeah. Sunday... Early Monday next week, me and one of the other 26 and me and Dudu Bitcoin are gonna be on with Yuri. So gonna be very interesting timing to see kinda how this is gonna work. But, again, you guys have until the fifteenth, so you have until Wednesday. Don't take a chance. Just get it done within the next twenty four hours. Okay? Just get it done because I want everybody in here to win. Cool put us onto this. If y'all remember, was literally Hunger Games with me and Landy, where Cool was like, so I got one invite left of me and Landy. I was like, Landy, I'm trying to kick a puppet. I don't care. I was ready to kick a puppet down the steps. I I could care less what the hell I was gonna do, but I was gonna get that. What's it called? And good, lo and behold, go figure. I I end up working for slave master Coma. You believe this crap? I end up where I end up using Coma's referral link, I think. Was it your school or was it Coma's? I don't remember who I'm working for now at the end of the day, but whatever. Anyways, bottom line is if you were quacking, please go and add your wallet to Wallachain now. I don't want anybody to miss out on this. I want to win with the entire ATC fam. Cole was literally generous enough to bring this to us from the jump. If you guys remember, we had this literally probably day... I think it was maybe day five or six. Cool. Like, I I found this over the weekend. I wanna share it with you guys. This is... I mean, he didn't share all the invites with us. Eventually, he just came down to one, but whatever. I... Can't... Beggars can't be choosers. Okay, guys? But we got this early enough. So we're gonna... If we win, let's freaking win together out here because there there is money to be made out here. And don't count my don't count my aligners money. Get out... Get get out of my get out of my pockets. Get hurt.
[1:15:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: Hard not to. They're, like, falling out of your pockets.
[1:15:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not... What do you... No. They're not falling out of my pocket. It's going right into... Whatever gets made... Somewhere clear to everybody here. Whatever gets made on aligners, I'm literally keeping 10% for pocket money, and the rest of it is go... I don't care what price of bit... What the price of Bitcoin is, it's going directly into Bitcoin, into that ledger that, guess what, I cannot touch. I cannot touch it. So good luck. And if anybody wants to come try and scam me out of that money, I don't have it. I can't do anything with it. I don't know it. I don't have it. I got nothing. So sorry. Anyways, gamer, I do wanna give you the floor because you did have some monster monster calls last week that we were talking about. I wanna say thank you because I did pass it on to a few of my buddies that did probably make a nice little bag. So I hopefully got a nice little thank you, stimmy, coming my way. But please, Gamer, the floor is yours. Nat, you as well. You guys gave some insane alpha last week on a lot of the stocks that we're trading out here based off of the current news and the current macro environment that was going on, regulatory environment. So I wanna give you guys the floor for the last ten minutes to be able to kinda go through what you guys had cooking. Gamer, go for it, bro. Of course, he's not gonna do it. It's a terrible day in the bay. Unbelievable. I queue up ten minutes for... I've never done this in my life. Never have I given this man ten minutes. I'm fighting to shut him up all the time. And now the one time I try and give him ten minutes...
[1:17:17] xFactor @xFactorPOL: And and you show them you show them hard, you gas them up, and then this is how it
[1:17:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: is. It's unbelievable. Crazy This out here. And and it's a beautiful holiday in the bay. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
[1:17:27] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: While
[1:17:27] xFactor @xFactorPOL: while while this happens and Dave gets gets punched in the cock here by people not speaking, Zeep Zeep, by the way, don't sleep on it. They have been rumbling about potential TGE as well. And if if you guys haven't checked your account recently, they did an update where they retroactively added a ton of Zeep there, so you could be decently positioned. It's a smaller leaderboard, but a good team behind it. Pawns is very, very solid in this industry and well respected, so I I wouldn't fade that. And then also, if you guys didn't hear, Mega ETH made some some sort of very hinted announcements towards potentially going TGE as well as Monad. So there's some there's some shit going on, man. There's some crazy stuff going on this week.
[1:18:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. So I think the... There was mad Monad news. Right? Like, I know we talked about this last week where the cards... I don't know if that
[1:18:23] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: was real.
[1:18:23] xFactor @xFactorPOL: Yeah. The card the card the card tactic was was wild work. I mean, it was it was a lot of fun from the cards with the marketing technique and the way that they used it got them a lot of attention, but they're they're finally going going live, and it looks it looks like Mega ETH maybe is jumping in and following suit. So just a couple of chains that were hyped and very heavily talked about finally coming into fruition. Don't know, man. I think October's back, bro. We had a we had a little hiccup, you know, probably the worst possible thing that ever happened in the crypto space ever, but we're so back, I think.
[1:18:54] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: On both.
[1:18:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: But real quick, Tom Brady literally said on air on a live football game yesterday, check the poly market. Okay?
[1:19:06] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: The poly market. Fuck.
[1:19:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: The fucking world. Top signal or we're just getting started, x factor? Which one, bro?
[1:19:14] xFactor @xFactorPOL: There's... I mean, we're we're still super early, Dave. But but the fact that they're using it as a Google, basically, like, hey. This is how Google started. Right? Like, hey. Let me Google this. Let me polymarket this. Imagine you're having a casual conversation with your homie. It's like, hey. You know, I wanna look at, what are the odds that Trump runs for a third presidency? Let me polymarket that. You know? Like, that shit is actually literally here. So once you actually incorporate a word into culture, that's when stuff kinda gigascends in. I think that's what polymarket is doing here. I don't think we're bullish enough, honestly. I'm not LARPing. This this this prediction markets thing in a couple years is gonna be five, six times bigger than what it is right now. Least...
[1:19:59] Moni @monitalan: I think
[1:19:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: if we're following that analogy, I think aligners is going to Gigascend too. I mean, aside from the info fi stuff, the Launchpad, what they're doing and how they're trying to get rid of, that first day dump, how... And they're trying to protect, these, long term investors. I think with everything the crypto market, everything we've been going through, everything we've been seeing, that massive volatility, people, like, geeking projects, I think, launch pads like that with the TBS system that they have in place and IWO structure, I think those are going to be the next wave.
[1:20:34] xFactor @xFactorPOL: And and listen, if somebody can figure out how to properly, launch some, some of these projects and, and add value to both investors and the projects actually doing it, they're they're they're gonna have a massive massive valuation as well. So here's here's hoping that that's aligners. It's a refreshing project that's done a a unique take instead of just copy pasting stuff that's out there. So I think they have a really good shot. That's why I'm that's why I'm talking about them. I I really do think it's a great project backed by a good team.
[1:21:05] NatNat @Natnatx007: Absolutely. Same. Shout out to Roger.
[1:21:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: And and Roger on the stream today said, Roger, anything you wanna tell us about, like, the wall chain TGE? And he was like, oh, they might do some sort of, like, vesting. And I'm like, What what do you know, bro? Like, you better
[1:21:19] Moni @monitalan: speak up.
[1:21:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like, you
[1:21:20] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: better you better
[1:21:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: say something. I don't know. Like, that... That's speculation nation.
[1:21:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Real quick. Let's go to Landy, and then I wanna say what's
[1:21:29] Kool @koolcryptovc: up to...
[1:21:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: I know I know Moon Call XPT came up. Yep.
[1:21:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, cool. Moon's up here. So I have a hot tip, just the tip for everyone. Don't let Matt Matt.
[1:21:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: Do not go
[1:21:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: to your wife.
[1:21:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: Sorry. Do not go to your wife and say, hey, babe. Do you wanna go poly? And that's just... Make sure that you're being very clear that you are looking at poly market because, you know, wires can get crossed and, you know, sometimes the wife can get a little little, like, jump to conclusions. Right? So just, you know, hey. What are you doing? I'm just taking a look into poly. Yeah. No. Because that's... There's so many levels to that. Like, poly one
[1:22:18] Moni @monitalan: He might
[1:22:18] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: be a polygonner.
[1:22:19] Moni @monitalan: I was definitely Lendi. Lendi, this
[1:22:23] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: this is
[1:22:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: If she's Latina, you I was about to say. Was like honor.
[1:22:26] Moni @monitalan: He's a You gotta get you gotta get yourself that you just
[1:22:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: won't miss me at all.
[1:22:30] xFactor @xFactorPOL: You gotta get yourself you gotta get yourself a Latina that has no idea what the hell poly market is. The only the only heat that I'm gonna catch is,.
[1:22:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Tell us poly.
[1:22:40] Moni @monitalan: Was like
[1:22:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: It would actually might be worse.
[1:22:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: If you say I'm going to Bali. Forget it.
[1:22:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah.
[1:22:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: That would be the last time we would ever hear
[1:22:52] Moni @monitalan: from my spouse. I
[1:22:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: almost got a a trip to to her home in Peru and then found out what the bottom of the bar... The the garden bed looked like. Okay? So just be be careful out there, guys.
[1:23:08] xFactor @xFactorPOL: I have to turn down this space as well, by the way.
[1:23:10] Moni @monitalan: Just if you wanna hear
[1:23:11] xFactor @xFactorPOL: it across the room, I'm not trying to get fried tonight.
[1:23:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I'm retarded. Yeah. Yo. Moon, what's good, bro? Welcome, man. It's good to see you again.
[1:23:22] Moni @monitalan: Yo. On on all that, though. But now, Dave, good to see you. And market, it kinda... Look. Look. Boys. Boys. I don't wanna say it, but, yeah, it kinda feels like we're back. We are... We... Like, are we just, like, are we just going the new all time highs now or fucking what? Like like, they just... Like, was that just a fear tactic? Like, yo. You can't just leave these leverage positions open twenty four seven. Like, no, bro. Like, you're not richer than the market, fam. We'll just send Sweetie out down to 56 and
[1:23:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: then back up to $3. Solana, $20.08.
[1:23:59] Moni @monitalan: Like like, bro, let's go. Let's push this thingy up. Let's let's let $400 Solana by January. Let's get it.
[1:24:08] xFactor @xFactorPOL: He's not wrong. Bro. It's $500, and Landy's short term target on Bitcoin is 250,000.
[1:24:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Woah.
[1:24:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Woah. Woah. Woah. Don't turn me into this. Don't be. Hey. Listen. As the guy who caught a whole bunch of crap last week for talking about my short positions being built out, I don't need any more eyes. Just ignore the puppet over here. Let him do his thing. And and
[1:24:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: look... Andy is short, by the way....
[1:24:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: On stages.
[1:24:34] NatNat @Natnatx007: He has a swing.
[1:24:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I am I am very short. Have no legs. I
[1:24:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: could only ever be short. But I'm I'm
[1:24:43] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: pretty cool. I did the mind chart.
[1:24:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Look who's here. Look who decided to
[1:24:48] Moni @monitalan: show up at the camera. Did you did you just wake up at
[1:24:52] NatNat @Natnatx007: the camera? Yeah.
[1:24:53] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: No. Can you hear it? Can you hear the fucking ring? Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Sounds like you're
[1:24:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: at c.
[1:24:58] Moni @monitalan: Don't have c.
[1:24:59] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. What's Alright, bro.
[1:25:00] xFactor @xFactorPOL: There's no need to open up the faucet just give to us an excuse for not freaking talking when Dave called you, bro. Relax.
[1:25:06] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. For the record, bro. It's... This is this is crazy right now.
[1:25:10] Moni @monitalan: Hear me? Did you hear me calling you, Cameron?
[1:25:13] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: No. Oh,
[1:25:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: alright. Because I literally said tried ten minute... The whole... Final ten minutes, but now all you got is, like, two. I gave you a full ten minutes to, like... Because I I gave
[1:25:21] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: you It's okay.
[1:25:23] Moni @monitalan: Go
[1:25:23] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: ahead. I just, yeah, I just took a look at that mindshare for the wall chain stuff you guys were talking about. I was like, wow. I didn't even realize that Xfirst Wallet company is, like, my largest bike share. And, of course, Wendy. Right? Wendy O is, like, the other top person. It... It's, like,. It's all platforms.
[1:25:48] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So I was like, oh,
[1:25:48] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I might... I'm gonna have to send a DM to Wendy later. Be like, oh, thanks for hooking me up.
[1:25:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: How many quacks you got, gamer?
[1:25:57] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I don't know. It it says 78. That's not bad for not doing anything. Literally.
[1:26:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: That is not bad for not doing shit, bro. Like, congrats. For real. Literally doing No.
[1:26:08] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Seriously. Like, I like, I I really didn't do it except, you know, except, like, came here to the... Know, you came here, and then you guys were like, hey. Go get this badge and go, you know, go use this app and go post. So that's what I did. And...
[1:26:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You know?
[1:26:24] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: 78 of these things.
[1:26:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is your way of saying thank you. You're welcome. Gammer, real quick Yeah.
[1:26:28] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. No. It's it. Yeah.
[1:26:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Gammer, real quick, because you you made two monster calls last week when you and Nat and I were talking about, like, how the position with the regulatory environment out here on the minerals and everything else. So I... If you can quickly, like, give us, like, what were the picks? Where are they? Like, since you picked them, could you put them in the chat today? And those were amazing picks, bro. So kudos to you, but if you wanna really just quickly share them with everybody. So I I think it's well deserved.
[1:26:52] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. Thanks, bro. So, like, the first one was MP.
[1:26:59] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I can't... I'm trying to drive and scroll here. But but, essentially, precious metals. You know, the whole thing with USA and China battling it out. Right? Like, that's not gonna go away. And then when I actually looked into it to see, like, how much, you know, supply does USA actually have, it's only, like, 1%. Like, it's pathetic. It's actually really sad. And, you know, China controls pretty much the rest. So, you know, think of it in, like, in crypto terms. China's the whale in precious metals, and they could do whatever they want. So, you know, USA can dance around all they like, but China controls all the precious metals. And why do you care about that? Because that is everything for the future technology. Right? Electronics, magnets, electric vehicles, you know, everything, you know, relies on all these minerals. So it's important. And... Yeah. So MP, that was, like, the top one that I spotted right away. And then there were some other ones here. I'm trying to find them. Give me one second.
[1:28:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wagme. The Wagme call you
[1:28:13] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: made was good? Yeah. And another one that I've been preaching on for, I don't know, months, damn near a year now, was WagMe, and then everyone laughed. But but it really is a ticker. It's w g m I, and it's that index of minors that, you know, I was telling everyone a long time ago. And what's happening now is those miners, some of them are pivoting to AI. Right? So remember I was preaching, like... I don't know. I forgot how long ago, but I was preaching about energy. Me and Nat Nat were saying how important energy and power is gonna be because you get the most powerful AI in the world, but unless you got power, it... It's not gonna do anything. So, yeah, that... So WagMe is essentially an index of all those miners, and particularly, Iron. So Iron just started skyrocketing because they got a contract deal with Google. And then a bunch of other the miners too started pivoting to high HPC, like, high performing compute. So, again, you know, those ones started taking off. But the reason why WagMe did so well is it actually holds all of those. So it has a a diversified portfolio allocation to all of these. So, yeah, you might not get, you know you know, all of the... Like, on Iron, you might not get that full, you know, pump, but you will get, like, 21%, which is the allocation to it. So, you know, so all all those ones in precious metals and energy and power, Wow. I'm actually looking at it right now. I'll I'll take a snapshot and send it to the group later. But, like, NP is up 21% today. What is this? USA Rare Earth is 18%. Antimony group, 36%. So the metal... The precious metals is killing it. Same thing with the energy. So, like, I was also saying, like, nano, like n n e, that was another one. That one did really... That one that one was, like, 17%. So, yeah, all all these ones that, you know, that I brought to brought to here, essentially, all all the energy, power, metals, everything that I brought to, know, you all things crypto, they're all double digit profits. And and that's... And mind you, that's with the big drop. Right? So when it... When all the crypto was dropping, these things were doing double digit profits still. Like, it like, it didn't even phase them at all. So... And this is why, like, Nat Nat and Lanny were talking about hedging. This is also another form of hedging, by the way. Right? Is you get an uncorrelated asset, uncorrelated to to Bitcoin, to crypto so that when crypto falls, these balance out and hold up the rest of your portfolio. So you don't... You know, you're not just completely crashing out into the red zone.
[1:31:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. The the other thing that you can use as a hedge in the stock market too is VIX, right, a volatility index. When the the overall market goes down, VIX tend... Tends to go up. And last time we went down aggressively, like, for example, on April, VIX calls made a massive, massive amount of gains. Granted, I think with with with VIX, you do have to get in the money and leaps in order for it to be profitable, but it's worth it, especially during market volatility.
[1:31:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Great stuff. If you guys see also, and I'm going right to the hands now. Difaayo, give me one second. But I'm literally tweeting out the winners now, because it's already past seven. I already announced, I think, six or seven. So go check my timeline to see if you are a winner of one of the whitelist sleepagotchi spots. I'm gonna pick, I think, like, five, maybe, like, six more. I'm running the picker literally now in the background. But d five a o, go for it, and then Landy, and then we're gonna... And then I'm gonna close out.
[1:32:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Difei, you just engaged me for me? Alright. Landy, go for it.
[1:32:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: Big, big, big, big, big alpha. And and something that is also tied to rare earth minerals, nuclear power companies. I've said it I said it, like, two months ago here, and it just so...
[1:32:38] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: N n e?
[1:32:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: What's that? Two two months ago.
[1:32:41] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: That that was my that was my n n e, my nano nuclear and SMR and all....
[1:32:46] Landy @CryptoLandy: C j and so on and so forth. Yeah. I've I've... I've been pretty heavy in c c j for reasons. But let's let's, just just a little while ago, about two months ago, I had mentioned that you should look at nuclear power companies across many different stages. It was about two or three months ago. It was when they were consolidating. They're up over 150% now, all of them, and this is going to continue into the future. The future is very bright for energy production and energy production companies, and they all rely on earth based mining of some sort. Real proof of work, like that dirty proof of work, not the nice clean proof of work because the nice clean proof of work gets the dirty proof of work that can can be turned into something like clean energy, like nuclear. Nuclear is very, very, very big, and it's a big topic in DC and in The United States. Don't fade the alpha, please. We need this stuff to support what's going forward, and don't just look here at home in The United States. Look around the world for potential opportunities that might be tradable from the different brokers that you have, and do your research because this is the future.
[1:34:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good shit, Landy. Black ops, go for it, then I'll come back to d five a o if he's there, and then we'll close.
[1:34:17] Defiayodeji @haryodeji42: K. And, Jim, Jim.
[1:34:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: One second. Yeah. A o. A o, one second. Let me go to Black ops first. I'm coming right back to you. So hang tight one second. Black Ops, go for it. No.
[1:34:27] Crypto BŁÅçķ-Øpş @Crypto_BlackOps: I just wanted to bring up. A lot of people forgot about the the deal we struck with Ukraine in regards to rare earth minerals. So there's gonna be that. And then, also, if you look up Wyoming, rare earth minerals in 2021, there is one of the largest stockpiles ever discovered in Wyoming right here stateside. Those companies have been super fast tracking, like, fast tracking. I've been watching a lot of the the big mining, you know, machines coming up from Mexico through Arizona and some Wyoming. And I I would say, you know, we're we're pretty solid out there.
[1:35:05] Landy @CryptoLandy: Montana as well. Yeah. Montana's big. Yeah. Montana for sure.
[1:35:08] Crypto BŁÅçķ-Øpş @Crypto_BlackOps: For sure. That... Montana's not even being talked about, actually. It's really hard to find anything about that. But, yeah, big over there. But the Wyoming Reserve...
[1:35:17] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yo. Didn't didn't Trump also unwind the thing in Alaska?
[1:35:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes.
[1:35:24] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: A big mining road?
[1:35:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. We're not
[1:35:26] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: What is Alphamers or alpha alpha game. What is that what is that landing here?
[1:35:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: You can't trade it yet. You can't... ANWR, you can't trade any of it yet, but you will be able to
[1:35:35] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. That's huge. That's massive. Do your research on
[1:35:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: the companies that are offering... What is it? Anwar? Alaska.
[1:35:43] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So so so Biden so Biden locked up, like, 200 miles of of mining in Alaska due to, you know, animal rights and wilderness and the native
[1:35:55] Moni @monitalan: Oh my god.
[1:35:55] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Natives that lived there. So Trump just said, no. Throw that out the window. We're unlocking all of that.
[1:36:02] Landy @CryptoLandy: It was already federal land. It was already federal land. This is... What it was is a big BS deal, and it was to facilitate more imports from China. And we struck a deal with China at the same time. That's one of the reasons why. And part of the stipulations were to lock up some of that 250 mile federal land that was reserved by Trump administration one point o to begin drilling for oil and mining for rare earth minerals because they have... Alaska is one
[1:36:31] Pandera @Dsgnrayo: of the
[1:36:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: most rich com... It's richer than any country in the world in terms of oil reserves, in terms of untapped oil in the ground. And there is so much rare earth minerals there. It rivals every other nation combined that we know of, and that's just through preliminary surveys. So this...
[1:36:52] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I got the I I got the ticker. I'll I'll share
[1:36:56] Moni @monitalan: it with
[1:36:56] Defiayodeji @haryodeji42: You have
[1:36:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: a ticker of who's up there? Because that's who... That's what people need to research.
[1:37:00] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. Yeah. I already I already found I already found out which one is gonna benefit the most.
[1:37:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Share it. What do you mean? What are you waiting on? Share it. You have it here?
[1:37:09] Moni @monitalan: Share
[1:37:09] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: it. Well, no. I'm I'm driving. I have to go go find it. Look at it. Don't don't crash.
[1:37:15] Landy @CryptoLandy: Alpha, definitely share it when you get a chance. I I cannot actually say it because I actually am involved in the energy sector a little bit here. So...
[1:37:23] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. No. I I... Because I saw... As soon as Trump said that he was unlocking 250 miles of mining, that's... I was all over it, and I was already looking into it. Half of it is US based, and the other half is Canadian based. So but, yeah, I'll I'll I'll look into it further.
[1:37:40] NatNat @Natnatx007: Guys, and just to top it off here, and then Dave can close out. I'll go go to def... DeFi real quick. Remember how we were talking about the the the chip war currently. Right? Don't sleep on Alibaba, and don't sleep on INTC. Right? I mentioned Alibaba when it's about, like, 01:30, and it it hit almost almost 200 before Friday. And it... And today, it had a massive day. So don't sleep on chips. Right? Chips are an essential part of all of this.
[1:38:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good stuff., go for it, and then we're gonna close out.
[1:38:12] Defiayodeji @haryodeji42: K. Jim, Jim. Shout out to Dave. Oh, my question goes like this. Like, I mean, I have 17 quack. Any hope for me?
[1:38:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Of course, there's hope for you, bro. Nat's got 10 or 11. There's some of us that literally just got started. I'll tell you this right now. Watch for the mechanics that come out because what you did initially on Kaito played a very, very big role of, are you gonna claim and stake? I don't know if they're gonna have that, but I remember Cool specifically telling me, like, yo. I think there's gonna be massive benefits for those that are gonna claim, and if you can claim and stake. Right? I don't know. Remember what event this did. Right? Like, they gave us a massive bonus also. So this... And the staking for Kaito has paid for itself. If you just talk to Kool and Koma, man, like, they're... And they'll tell you right off the bat, that's paid for itself tenfold, bro. So, yes, there absolutely always is because there's gonna be people that are gonna take their allocation, cheat the hell out of it, take their money, and go, which is cool. But those that are actually believing in the system... And, bro, why do you not... Like, for someone to say they don't believe in Wallchain, I feel Wallchain has more steam going into this TGE than Kaito did when they TGE ed. Like, Kaito, don't get me wrong, has built out a massive monster platform. But the momentum that Wallchain has now off of Limitless, Avantis, Aligners, and all... And everything it has going for it now. Elsa, I mean, IDOS, you name it, They have massive, massive momentum, and I think it's gonna be a big... I hope.
[1:39:44] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:39:46] Defiayodeji @haryodeji42: Thank you. Thank you for that. You're welcome, bro. My only ask... Say was, like, the last time KuCrypto... Okay. Hear me all the host, and you are joined. I want to appreciate for the credit card... Credit they gave to me for Jamescap. Actually, James Spark. Actually, use it well, and I think I've done a lot in with James Spark. Thank you very much for that.
[1:40:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love that. I love hearing that, man. Great stuff. Yeah. Amazing. Congrats. Yeah. I love that, bro. I'm glad you used the credits. Yummy shout out to you, my bro. Good stuff. And, yeah, guys, unfortunately, I do gotta go. I literally picked out, I think it's 14 or 15 winners so far that were on that, that essentially did the retweet, everything else. I made sure that you're all following aligners. You are all announced on my page so that it's obviously public knowledge, and everybody that is there. I think I might have one or two more to go. So if you didn't if you didn't retweet, I would highly recommend you retweet this space, retweet that other tweet, because maybe I'll just maybe sprinkle in a little bit more fun for a few others. But, give it a shot. Obviously, my speakers, you guys are all getting whitelist for sure. But, yeah, Yemi, I can't thank you enough, bro, for obviously putting this back on my radar. Shot shot that team a message, and you stayed on me for it. So, Yemi, I appreciate the hell out of you, my brother. But, guys, amazing, amazing ATC space. This is the way we kick off on Monday. I hope everybody learned some stuff today. I'm gonna go eat because there's more Jewish holidays, like I said. Cool, Nat. Thank you as always, my rocks, Samara, Alpha, x factor, Pandara, Yemi, Metabeast as always, bro, Black Ops, and everybody else that came through, man, everybody for listening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Go quack and go add your wallet addresses to Wallchain now.
[1:41:22] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Let's go fucking...... Man.
[1:41:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Goodbye.