All Things Crypto - Tokenized Birkens are the Meta

# All Things Crypto - Tokenized Birkens are the Meta | 2025-10-16 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1LyxBXlDjXnGN | status: approved
# Speaker names are voice-match candidates, unconfirmed unless marked confirmed.

[0:00:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: 'Sup, boys? The old man is just waking up from his midday nap because it's necessary to sleep during the day. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just a little delirious, but I just woke up. Man, I knocked out, bro. Holy cow. Alright. Let's get some music going, get some tunes. Where's this where's this Cardi b ratchet shit at? That's what I that's what I need to play from that. That's what she did. Yeah. You know? She gets off my ass. Wait. Can y'all hear me okay?
[0:01:09] Kool @koolcryptovc: Nipsey, can you hear me? Cool. Can you hear me?
[0:01:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, okay. And cool. When you were done there, you could hear me. Yeah? Okay. Money. Money. Money. Money. Let me see. Where is this one? Where is this? Where is this? Okay. K. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Just so Nat Nat gets here. Here we go.
[0:04:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: All the bad bitch need is up. Money.
[0:04:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: Money.
[0:04:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nah. You heard it. Money. Didn't say it. But what I heard was he just asked like soup. That's what I heard. That's exactly what I heard. I'm just saying. I'm just
[0:05:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey, Lara.
[0:05:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Try and drop something.
[0:05:12] Samara @thee_samara: Me and Landy, you're making so much...
[0:05:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Cool. You shoulda heard her earlier, bro. You heard her, bro. She came into space. You know what she was saying? She was
[0:05:18] Samara @thee_samara: like, oh, me and Landy just give me a womb space. Ain't even making much
[0:05:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: money's Bitcoin for my pocket. Man. I was like, bro, this is a aligner space. Okay? This is not, like, Nat Nat gloat space. You can say that for ATC. Although I can't find you now anyway. But, Nat, what's cooking, baby?
[0:05:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, man. I am great. I am great. It... It's been a day. Tons of volatility in the market, but also tons of news. I'm excited to dive into this one today, Jacob.
[0:05:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Cool. My g, you good, baby? You good, bro?
[0:05:47] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I was driving to
[0:05:49] Kkoma @itskkoma: the house. Driving right now.
[0:05:50] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'll be home soon. But, yeah, I'm here. Let's go. Let's do it.
[0:05:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Let's go. Everybody else is fired because, yeah, you're all on my own time. That's how this works. Duh.
[0:06:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fine. I take naps. Okay? I take naps. I'm old. I went out. I got a haircut today. It was a whole walk to the barbershop and walk back. You know? Like, people get tired out here if they have to rest. And plus, I run imp... I ran impromptu space... Aligner space. You guys know, like, I only have so much brainpower. I can't... You know, it does... It doesn't work it doesn't work to not not not too too much. So until everybody else gets here, you know, you guys know the drill. Nice. My man, Chad's coming up. Track network's in the... Look who's showing up. Monie's coming. You guys know the drill. Yo, Dave. Yo.
[0:06:35] Benny @rarity_garden: I just wanted to
[0:06:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: tell you congratulations on your fucking big news, man. That's fucking tight.
[0:06:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thank you, bro. Let's go. Alright. Nice.
[0:06:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm I'm happy to witness that shit with you. That's amazing, man.
[0:06:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thank you, bro. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. For those that don't know, I pre... Bro, I don't know how you remember that. That was, like, two days ago. That's, like, a lifetime ago. But, yo, I I I let the chat know. So for everybody that isn't aware, so November 14, I got asked to speak, at an, an Andrew, an Andrew Nikon's, conference, here in New York, which if you all... That don't know Andrew, he's literally the guy that started to Google Deep Brain, and, like, they want me to go talk via Genspark. Genspark want... They're like, hey, man. We know that you're, like, our biggest power user in New York and on the East Coast, so we would love for you to kinda come through and do a whole, like, presentation, you know, of Jen Spark on stage during this conference. And I'm like, say what? I was like, yes. Of course. I would be honored to do that. So November 14, I'm gonna do that. But, yo, Chaz, don't worry, bro. I'm still gonna make it out to Deacon even though I know that's the same day. So I'm a I'm a do my thing over there, and then I'm gonna probably hop a flight to Vegas to, to head to Deacon. But big, big, big news. And, yo, this is what I'll say to everybody here, man. Like, there is always somebody listening and always somebody watching here. We say this to you guys all the time, which is why, like, Nat literally, like, is finding, like, the whole show, like, twenty four seven is because... It's for good reason. Right? Like, it's for comedy and content, but also, like, there is always somebody listening, always somebody watching. Like, Andrew's account has 1,200,000 followers. So, like, you guys can genuinely understand. And, like, that opportunity does not fall, like, on deaf ears here, especially, like, with me. And when I got that message, was like, JetSpark? You want a little old affiliate me to go and give a whole presentation at Andrew's conference in front of hundreds of people about JetSpark? And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, alright. But will y'all sign the will y'all sign the proposal? Did I send y'all? You know how to throw that in there. But, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be doing that on the fourteenth. So, yeah, Chaz, I appreciate you, bro, man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Monica, looks good.
[0:08:55] Moni @monitalan: Nothing. I I was like, what happened? Everybody disappeared.
[0:08:58] NatNat @Natnatx007: Right here, you
[0:08:59] Moni @monitalan: know, tweeting, seeding. What is... I don't even know how you say it. Yapping.
[0:09:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Little bit of a snapping, z ding, z... Like Cracking. Yeah. Cracking. Yeah. Good stuff. Monica, thank you for coming through the space earlier. I very, very much appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. We got the track boys. Well, the the track guys did come up. Guys, Twitter spaces is hella wonky today. Okay? So I need y'all to be patient. It's been this way over the last couple of days. So just make sure that, you know, we're gonna get into the stories in a second, but I just wanna make sure that everybody is aware. Like, look. There might be some technical issues today, probably a lot of them. You saw it took Nat Nat probably, like, 10 times just to get up here as cohost. I don't know if that might be a cohost thing, but, yeah, to the track boys. Yo. Benny, Aaron, like, feel free to come on up. Come be a part of this conversation with us, and, you know, yeah, let's cook. Nat, give us the rundown. How much money did you make in the record, baby, with Landy and the Wolfspeed? You mean?
[0:10:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: Well, remember how we were... I I was always mentioning on... I'm always mentioning, actually, on the show that I am hedged. And today, the short side.
[0:10:17] Samara @thee_samara: Sorry. No.
[0:10:18] Moni @monitalan: It's I was gonna say, did you mute for a bit?
[0:10:21] Samara @thee_samara: No. No.
[0:10:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's a baby. It's... We can hear... We... It's okay if the baby, like, is in the background of the phone.
[0:10:27] NatNat @Natnatx007: Like, it's not gonna be... I was just... I was adjusting his bottle. That's why. Well... Yeah. So I I I think for me, it's it's not like how much money or anything like that. For me, it's when I was today was the second time doing a livestream. And as I was mentioning certain prices that I was looking at, the ranges that I was looking at, the candle wicks literally went straight down to the the wicks that I was mentioning or the price levels that I was mentioning. And it was pretty cool to see the audience looking at those... The wicks behave that way live. Because usually when we're on the space, they're not looking at what we're looking at. But today, they were able to see and how how the wicks correlated with the liquidity that was there and how it worked as a magnet, and it kinda hit all of the levels that we were talking about live on the stream, and it was beautiful to see.
[0:11:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Wait a second. I... You lost me at, livestream. Did you say you were on a livestream today?
[0:11:28] NatNat @Natnatx007: Uh-huh. Yeah. But I wasn't sure of my face. Okay? I am Wonder Woman, Wonder and Woman, I will remain. Okay? I was showing images.
[0:11:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Cool. I've been begging this one to get on crypto magic out with me for the last, like, twelve weeks in a row. Okay? Twelve weeks. Said, no. You don't gotta show your face Wonder Woman. Don't know. It's a bit... It's a little bit... And I'm like, okay. Do you... I see where the loyalties lie now. Okay? Alright, Nat. Okay, Nat. I see. I see.
[0:11:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: You text me that one time. Okay? Just one time.
[0:12:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Might be true. That might be true. I embellish a little bit sometimes. I might... I embellish a little bit sometimes. But, you know, Nat, tell me more. So now, like... I mean, just kinda give us the rundown now. So you guys were obviously... Like, everything you've been saying here... And, again, I don't wanna go too too deep down, like, the trader rabbit hole, but, like, what Nat is explaining in terms of, like, the levels, she talked about, like, where the liquidity is building up and really just, like, watching these levels and how, like, her, Landy, and and, obviously, like, the wolf crew, like, are able to take advantage of it. So you're saying, like, once you were on the livestream, like, you guys put the shorts on and, like, it was literally just off a cliff and then down to, like, what, one zero eight, one zero seven?
[0:12:38] NatNat @Natnatx007: A lot of us had shorts in position for a a while because we hedge with our spots. Right? And the way we do that is we have... We hold our spot position, and then we open, like, a short position to profit off the volatility. And when we open up the space, it was, like, around one ten ish. And then I met... And we were mentioning, okay. So we're currently at one ten, but if doesn't hold or we break below this level, we'll look... We're looking at or I'm looking at that one zero eight, one zero seven pocket and see what what we do there. If we do get to that that one zero seven, I do see us bouncing a little bit to try to reclaim that back that one ten and one eleven. And literally as soon as I said that and while Landy was stuck speaking his piece, we saw that candle go below one ten, go below one nine, one zero eight, and hit that pocket between one zero eight and one zero seven. And then now what we're seeing right now is that bounce from one zero seven right back up to one zero eight, so now we're watching one zero nine and one zero... It was so beautiful to see all of that play out. Right? It did hit that liquidity that was down at that... Between that 108 and one zero seven area. There was some liquidity to the top. I... The the price action does not look strong. So what I'm looking at is what it does here with, within the next four hour candle. Once they... If that candle does close nice and green, then we may potentially see a retest of that one zero ten... One ten area, possibly maybe one twelve. But we have to we have to close green here. Otherwise, we're looking at the liquidity down below up to, like, one zero one zero four, one zero five.
[0:14:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Cool. Does that... That sounds different when she makes a lot of money. Yeah. You hear this? She sounds different.
[0:14:12] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm buzzing the baby.
[0:14:14] Samara @thee_samara: That's why. Yeah.
[0:14:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: I don't know why I hear you. Like, it was beautiful. My god. It was glorious. It was beautiful. Have a levels. I'm like, oh my god. Yo. That must've that must've made a boatload today.
[0:14:26] Samara @thee_samara: Oh, boy.
[0:14:27] NatNat @Natnatx007: I think for me, it was... Because it was my... It's my second time ever doing a stream. Because, you know, I'm web two world behind the test trader on the floor or whatever. And then for this... The first time I did the stream, I was on the go. I was, like, driving, so I couldn't really pull up my charts or anything or do... Or kinda let's look at my... For for... Forecast my... The liquidity levels that I was looking at. And today, finally, I... I've made sure I blocked that time off so I could be in front of the desk and and kinda, like, really showcase what I was looking at. And because it was my, like, my actual first time doing that, being that it was my second time on the stream, but the actual... My first time showing my charts like that and seeing, how the prices hit and how the audience was able to see the prices hit. For me, that was big. Because I feel like sometimes when I say stuff because I speak really fast or with an accent, it kinda goes over everybody's head. The fact that they were able to, like, visualize it made a big difference.
[0:15:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not like you... I'll tell you this. I think now you're discovering, like, the difference between what a livestream does versus, like, spaces. But you are... Like, the more I listen to you talk and, like, the more I've listened to, like, how you've kinda, like, kinda come into this, like, real active trader. I guess, I don't remember you being, like, as you... Like, you talked before, like, amazingly just off the experience you had, but now, like, hearing you more active has been absolutely... I mean, you are... It's impress... No bullshit in that. Like, you know, no. I'll risk you a little bit, but, like
[0:15:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: Thank
[0:15:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: seriously impressive for real. Like, yeah. Like, it's it's genuinely impressive to hear how, like, you're really calling these levels and, like... I mean, yeah, it's just... It... It's it's great to hear, and congrats. I'm really happy that it went... That that it went well. That's awesome.
[0:16:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: Thank you so much, Dave. I appreciate it.
[0:16:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Now we just gotta figure out... Now we just gotta help Dave make money. You know what I mean? Like, Cool's got 17 houses. You have, like, 14,000 Bitcoin. Cool. How do I... I mean, help me. Help me.
[0:16:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: You're on track. Cool. Tell him how much money he's gonna make being, like, the number one person on the leaderboard.
[0:16:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I mean, the... No. No.
[0:16:33] Kool @koolcryptovc: You're you're the right track because I think since you embrace the the Infify stuff, what's gonna happen is you're gonna be reached out to by a lot of other Infify projects, man. If they see what what what you you do in the liners or or wall chain, and it just grows from there. So this way... This is your your your journey to starting, bro. And you... But you but you... I messaged you out there, and let you know you're about to kill it very soon. I mean, there's a lot of projects coming out, and they were... They're looking for people that have the time to host spaces to build to build a community. And like you said, you never know who's listening. Like, always tell people, if you have something to say, say it. If you have a... Have something to... If if you don't have to build, put it out there, man. Let people see it. So... Because you never know who's the... Watching and who's listening to you. My my trip to my trip to the the Bitcoin conference was sponsored by a company, man, last year. I didn't pay a dollar. I mean, the whole... Where everything everything I did, the conference itself, where where I stayed, the Airbnb, everything. Just because of hosting spaces every day, and you never know who reaches out to you. You never know. So if you have a skill, put it out there and don't... Just like not not now. Shit. People know who she is, and she's gonna be a force, man.
[0:17:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: This this is the beginning for
[0:17:47] Kool @koolcryptovc: you guys, man, for real.
[0:17:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. I appreciate it, Cole. Yeah. Not cool. Like, we gotta meet up at a Bitcoin conference at some point. Like, you know what I'm saying? Not getting to your Benjamin Button time traveling machine and, like, we gotta we gotta all meet up. You know what I mean? Like, this is... This has to be a thing. You know? Then people will go crazy. Like... And we could, like, put, like, our PFPs. For the record, I don't know why people have been, like, totally, like... They've been on me about my p f. They're like, well, hey. Are you so short in real life? I'm like, bro, it's a PFP. They're like, you sure like your PFP? I'm like, bro, it's a PFP. What the hell you want me to do? This is so ridiculous.
[0:18:19] Kool @koolcryptovc: So so the question, would you rather meet at a Bitcoin conference or Altcoin conference? That's that's the question.
[0:18:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Well, don't don't get me started, Cole. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. You you know the answer to that one. Let me go to Monica, then I wanna obviously welcome Benny up in the... In there. What's up what's up, Monique?
[0:18:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: Should get
[0:18:37] Moni @monitalan: a consensus. It's gonna be in Miami. Can do 305. I don't remember
[0:18:42] NatNat @Natnatx007: when it is. I mean, if we do wait for... I'm down to wait for the Altcoin conference. Right? We might be waiting a little bit, but I promise you, I'll still be 25.
[0:18:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Next time. Okay. Next
[0:18:53] Moni @monitalan: time. But 10¢ is... I'm looking at the date. May fifty seventh. We can go celebrate in Coimaya. Is that when it is?
[0:19:00] Samara @thee_samara: Yeah. I'll take it.
[0:19:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'll take it. Also, I mean, why we gotta wait till then? December. You know what mean? It's art Basel. I don't know. I just just find any excuse. And put... Then I'm not standing next to cool, just FYI. And I don't care. There's no bathing suit pictures. Like, I'm not standing next to cool. I'm not taking pictures next to cool. Like, it's a one... No. Money's on fire today. Money's on fire. Benny, welcome, man. Really appreciate you making the time to come chill with us. We had an amazing conversation last week with your boy, our boy now. But welcome, man. How are you?
[0:19:38] Benny @rarity_garden: Hey. Hi, everyone. Great to great to meet you. Yeah. It was was great. Was just a little bit too busy to grasp all of that stuff that you talked about, but I'm happy to join and, yeah, talk a little about what we're doing.
[0:19:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Love it. I don't know if we have you here. How long do we have you for, Benny? Because normally, like, we kinda go through the top news stories of the day. Shows about, like, you know, at this point, we're probably, like, another hour. So are you good to chill with us for another hour?
[0:20:05] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. Sure. Everything's fine. I'm here.
[0:20:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Benny, give give me give me your general outlook. Like, looking at the Bitcoin markets now, obviously, like, we all... A lot of us know you here. Probably some more familiar than the others, obviously, like, from track, but I'm sure you're following the Bitcoin markets. What do you... What what what what do you make of these markets right now, bro?
[0:20:23] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. Disclaimer. I'm a shit trader. Yeah. I'm I'm looking at at the macro. I'm a developer. Right? And developers are... Not all, but for the most part, at least that they know me, including, very, very bad at trading. So... But I understand some macro macro stuff. And I believe... Yeah. Well, something big happened. Yeah. Of course, was the biggest flash out in in crypto history, but we also know every couple of years or maybe every third year, there is the... A bigger flash out than than before. It's just part of the game. If you look at the... And I'm really stoked about the Bitcoin three months chart. If you look at that, you have this this... It's literal pattern. You have this green, green, red, green, green, red candle since 2023. Absolutely clear that this is, like, institutions started to buy their finger in quarters, and I don't see any any breakdown of that on the macro. So that... That's how I see that. Yeah? Maybe there will be something happening. I don't know, but I'm super bullish, like like, before, before that started... Before I started to see this, actually, and, don't see that going away.
[0:21:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Great take, Benny. No. I appreciate it, man. I like this kind of where he's like, full disclosure, I am a shit trader. So ladies and gentlemen, we give you the full scope here. Right? We give you Nat Nat, then we give you Benny. That's how this works and everything in between. Benny, really appreciate the take, man. Hang out with us for a few, And I'm gonna set... I'm... I set aside about ten or fifteen minutes at the end for you to talk. There was a lot we mentioned last time, like, about track and... I mean, there was a bazillion of one different questions. But, yeah, Moni, go for it.
[0:22:14] Moni @monitalan: It's not what say we even talk about Infofy.
[0:22:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: We even talk about Infofy sometimes. Like, yeah, that's true. That is very, very true. He's such a dumbass. Aaron, you up here with us, bro?
[0:22:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey. What's up, guys? Yeah.
[0:22:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: What's up, bro?
[0:22:31] Voice H: How's everyone doing?
[0:22:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Doing good, man. What's cooking?
[0:22:36] Voice H: Yeah. Not much. Not much. Just, you know, just observing the markets and, you know, just is... Has been quite... I think we spoke last Thursday right before the flash crash. So, yeah, it's been a interesting display of events in the last week. So... Yeah. But, you know, we're all here kicking and having a great time, and definitely maybe some broader, things happening in the background that we're we're just not sure of, but we're all here for it. That's what crypto is all about.
[0:23:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Appreciate you, bro. Yeah. It's... Like, we had no idea what was coming, didn't we? We were, like, just willful bliss last Thursday. We were like, and then little did we know thirty six hours later, like, like, madness was gonna erupt. Like, that's like, that's the thing. You don't know what's gonna happen five minutes from now, an hour from now, like, a day from now. So, yeah, it's it's it's crazy stuff. Okay. Let let... Let's get into some of the stories. Gold... Nat, gold, another all time high. I saw forty two fifty is now the first asset to surpass a $30,000,000,000,000 market cap. That is nuts. Is this effect... Like, what happened to Bitcoin gold correlation? Like, when do we bring that back?
[0:23:58] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. So so gold is... It's definitely having its moment. Right? And and we can see that throughout the years, every time gold has such a great moment, the other side falls. So for example, gold is running. We we technically say it's because it's sending a warning. Right? It means, like, some kind of uncertainty in people. When when when there's economic uncertainty, they they hedge with gold. Right? And and that... That's what we're seeing now. And we're we're seeing the markets kinda, like, give in a little bit. But with regards to gold and Bitcoin, it's definitely one of the most important charts in in in my opinion. Gold is definitely overcrowded at the moment, and what happens when an asset is overcrowded is that it tends to pull back. So on that pullback from gold, it'll be very interesting to see how Bitcoin would react. Right? Because, typically, we would see Bitcoin lead the way. All is, it led the way most of the time except for this year, where, gold is actually leading the way versus Bitcoin this time, which is normal. Right? One could say that when when we look at the long term trajectory, maybe Bitcoin is going lower at the moment. It's setting up a bar to go higher. Who knows? But that chart is definitely one that we need to keep an eye on. As I mentioned, gold is is overcrowded. One... Once we see that pullback, then we'll take an... Another look at to... At the correlation between gold and Bitcoin and see where we're at from there. But it's definitely an important chart.
[0:25:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Cool. When you look at... And I don't know if you guys are actively, like, either trading gold, but, you know, we hear all the time, like, being able to trade gold. Like, cool. Is gold part of your portfolio? By the way, just out of curiosity, because I know, like, between real estate and crypto and and then four zero one k. Like, I'm just kinda curious, like... And maybe to hear from both of you guys as well as money, like, is gold part of, like, your portfolio?
[0:25:53] Kool @koolcryptovc: So I I was tempted. Well, I think gold was, like, 2,100 when it was stolen, I think. But I I I thought it was too it was too slow for me. It was too slow. I thought... Of course, it's... It... Gold is not to make money. Gold is to prevent... Help you reduce the deflation on your... I'm sorry. Protect you from inflation. Sorry. But I didn't wanna touch the hook because I just thought it was too big. It was too heavy. The market cap is massive. But I don't know. I think for people with hundreds of hundreds of millions, it might be a good a good place to park your money. But if you have a couple 100,000, I don't I don't think so, man. I mean, maybe for some people here, but I'm not really big into go, honestly. I I rather... I prefer I prefer the the the the the the real estate stuff. Real estate to me makes sense. Go... I'm not saying gold makes sense. It does make sense. But for me personally, I believe if you wanna buy something like gold, Bitcoin is where you should get. That's the... I just don't see my son when he gets older or or these young people buying gold, man. But I think they they will be attracted to sell something like Bitcoin. And I think that's probably what's gonna be the the future. Young people, they're not into stuff like gold, man. They like tech. They like something that's new. They like something that's flashy. Bitcoin has a cult, man. Gold gold... I must be I must be a dozen, but Bitcoin has a cult, and that cult hasn't really. If you think about it, right, think about, like, how many people on this earth own Bitcoin versus gold. How many countries or companies are buying Bitcoin versus gold? That's the reason why big money bags love... Are starting to fall in love with Bitcoin now finally. Right? So I think for... When it comes to upside, I I don't I don't think it's... You know, like I said, it's up to you how much money you have overall. But if you don't have couple 100,000,000, I don't think you have any business buying gold. But you could trade it. Yes. Trade it for sure. But buying gold and stacking it to me doesn't make sense. If you wanna do that, I'll I'll say buy Bitcoin or just buy buy buy some house. That's what I think.
[0:28:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Interesting. Got it. Monty, what about you? You got any gold in your portfolio?
[0:28:14] Moni @monitalan: I don't. I do more stocks than just... And crypto.
[0:28:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fair. Alright. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Another new... In other potential top signal news, Steak and Shake has officially renamed the burger, the Bitcoin the Bitcoin burger. So steak and shake is now... For those... I don't have a steak and shake in New York. I don't know what the hell that is, to be honest, but, apparently, like, it's this really large steak chain. But, yeah, sorry. Go ahead, Matt. You really wanna get on this steak and shake news.
[0:28:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: No? You don't wanna talk about steak and shake news, Nat? Baby's like, nah. Steak and shake. We don't wanna talk about that.
[0:28:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm I'm with you. New Yorker over here. I have no idea what that is, I but did wanna I did wanna chime in on on on on on on your question with regards to having gold on the portfolio. I did. I did. I I mentioned, I believe, 2020... Towards the end of twenty twenty three that gold and gold miner stocks were definitely one to to look into, and and though they ended up paying, you know, big. But but but to Cool's point, if you do have, you know, a a a majority of of cash or of fiat laying around, then you would have to definitely compare gold to Bitcoin and and which one will provide the best return.
[0:29:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Interesting. And I think now... I think I think the reason I asked this question, guys, is is because now when we see, like, all these RWAs coming on chain and and they're gonna be available to be able to be traded, Like, every asset is gonna be tokenized and be, like, be able to be traded on chain. So when I look at this, it's like, you know, is this something... Like, I guess, I also look at it as when I was coming up, right, like, when I was learning, like, the the financial ropes in life, nobody taught me how to, like... I'm gonna say this. I can't believe I'm gonna say this. Balance a checkbook. Right? Balance a... That's an old per... Person term. It is what it is. But, like, nobody taught me financial literacy is the point that I'm trying to make. Right? And when I see gold now coming on chain, commodities coming on chain, like, I feel like this is going to be a necessary thing. And I don't have chill... I don't have kids, but, like, something to teach your kids about. It's like, yo. Like, they need to know about gold. Like, this is the most valuable asset. Right? Like, metal... Like, precious metal in the world out here. So I don't know. And, like, the the ability to kinda combine that with, like, being on chain and tokenization, I think that's a powerful, powerful tool for, you know, at least people of the future. So I know I've been talking to my nephew about it a lot. It's kind of the reason why I asked because now most of us don't even know. Right? Like, if we're in some mutual fund or some index fund, cool. And then we maybe own some basket that has a little sprinkle of gold on the... You know, a little ETF basket, whatever. But, you know, we don't really know much. But now, like, all this stuff coming on chain, I feel like, is gonna be a really big, like, transformative, like, time. Aaron, yeah, go for it, and I'll go back to Monica.
[0:31:04] Voice H: Yeah. Gold is, like, it's always good to probably have some... What gold in your portfolio? Maybe, like, two to 3%, they say. The big the big investing firms say this. But if you really look at, like, your return on gold the last fifteen years since Bitcoin's been around or even the last ten years, if you had a thousand dollars in gold, I think that the math was... In, ten years, the gold returned you 20, like, 2,500, and then Bitcoin returned, like, over over a million dollars. So, like, regard... And then fifteen years is even crazier and more drastic, and five year... And and fifteen years more drastic and and crazier. So I think it's over a billion dollars in in, dollar value for Bitcoin and, like, 3,000 for gold. So, like, you know, it's fine if gold has one year where it outperforms Bitcoin, but I think, I don't think that's gonna even be sufficient where we see five years from this time frame, when you put a thousand dollars in Bitcoin that it would outperform, gold's gonna outperform Bitcoin. So I still think Bitcoin has, like, a huge amount of, a huge gap in the market to make up. But in in all... But it's... Like, if you're two to 3% in gold, if your portfolio is in jewelry, I think that's probably, like, the best use case for gold is, like, to have some fancy jewelry and look good. And then if you ever need, to liquidate real quick, you can liquidate your jewelry. Right? But to have, like, ETF gold, it's it's... It depends on what you what you want. Right? But I think, like, you can allocate it any way you like, but I personally like like having jewelry gold just to just to be the... Alright. If I, like, you know, I ever need to liquidate this, I can, and here here here it is. Right? But since we're on, like, growth topic, just wanted to, yeah, mention that.
[0:32:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I feel like it's a good point because, like, a lot of, like, whole... Like, a lot of people don't. Like, when they buy... When you buy and sell, like, people that are buying and selling or trading oil or any other commodity like orange, like, nobody's really accepting delivery. Although you... People don't... A lot of people don't know this, but you can obviously accept the... When you go and buy something on the commodities exchange, like, you can actually physically accept physical delivery of said item. Right? And I think, like, gold is probably one of those commodities where people want to hold physical... Like, gold bars. Like, that's a thing. Right?
[0:33:26] NatNat @Natnatx007: Like, when
[0:33:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: I was in California, I know... Right? Like, I know a lot of wealthy people that literally have safety deposit boxes. Exact kid knows what's up. Exactly. Lot of safety deposit boxes that have just, like, gold bars in them that, like, you know, like, they go... Every every now and again, they go, they buy another, like, you know, one Troy ounce. Right? You know what I'm saying? For, like, you know... Or or they'll buy, like, these monster bars for, like, $50,100 grand, and it's just like, what what are you doing? It's like, I'm just keeping it in the bank, like, just for safe keep. Like, that really is the flight to safety at the end of the day. So... Yeah. Erin, good point. Yeah. Go ahead, Nat. Did you wanna chime in on something before I go to Monica?
[0:33:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. So I I just wanted to say what Aaron brought up, that's exactly why the the gold to Bitcoin chart is one of the... It's a very, very important chart. Right? Through... As of recently, before this year, actually, go... Bitcoin has been outperforming gold with regards to the returns. Right? This year, we're seeing gold performing Bitcoin, but at some point, Bitcoin will reclaim its position. And we touched on this a a few spaces ago with with Landy. That is why some of the spaces I've been, it's always... We're... We always mention if if if Bitcoin, right, goes on the rally like gold and outperforms gold, where would that price Bitcoin at? Right? So one could argue that anything below a 100 k would be a good a good buy signal even where we're currently at. Right? Because that would double or triple Bitcoin's price.
[0:34:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Great point. Yeah. Great point. Yeah. If you're a junkie for this stuff as as much as we are, like, this is, like, the watching and how this shakes out is is always funny. You hear how that... I was talking earlier, like, especially if you're making money on this. Damn. Yeah.
[0:35:05] Kool @koolcryptovc: Cool. Can we can we end the all coin season talk for now, at least the next six to eight months?
[0:35:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. Yes. Yes. Actually, that was the next story. Was gonna say all coin season index was slipping down to 28. Yes. So I won't mention anything about all coin season. Fine. That's fine. Damn, man. When will I find
[0:35:23] Samara @thee_samara: that? Hedera.
[0:35:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Chill out. Yo. Yo. Canter, chill out, bro. Chill out with h dart. Let me go to Monica, then we'll come right back. H dart.
[0:35:32] Moni @monitalan: I wanted to touch on something different that you said, and it was the whole financial education. Remember, I'm the nerd education person here.
[0:35:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: You are the nerd. Let's go. But listen.
[0:35:42] Moni @monitalan: The... So the Blockchain Foundation, this is from 2023, but the... They did a report, and I was actually shocked because I actually worked with them on this. That only...
[0:35:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: That was insanely anticlimactic. Well, you you went back... You went on mute, Mark. I'm sorry.
[0:36:00] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm back.
[0:36:03] Moni @monitalan: That only 23 states in The US require high school to offer financial literacy, and only 17 states mandate. And only one state actually offers digital literacy. This may have changed in the last two years, but this was for 2023. And the one state that did it was Georgia, not even New York. And so we have a lot of work to do when it comes to education.
[0:36:25] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: But and that's right.
[0:36:26] Kool @koolcryptovc: That... That's by design, by the way. That is 100% by design. They don't they don't want the average individual to know how how money works. I never knew for... Until, you know, not that long ago, but how money works is what saves people, you know, what what puts you in that in that top two, 3%, top 1%. A lot of people don't know how money works, and that's the reason why they just don't understand, man. I I... You... Even till today, all these years that when you... People think having money is having money in the bank or people think because you have a big house, you're rich. People think because you drive a nice car, you're rich. They don't understand true wealth is not about how much cash you have. It's really about having... What... How they say, having money that generates your money and having properties that generate your money, assets that also go up in value. But most people think being rich is carrying a Gucci bag or driving a nice car. I... I've seen people... I I was I was like that too. I mean, also my my brain has to reset, but the reason why that is because most people don't know how money works. But luckily for us, crypto people do know how money works. A lot of... Majority of crypto people get it. But, unfortunately, crypto people are the minority, very, very small. Small small number of people. So it's it's it's... I mean, we try our best to educate people as much as much as possible we can, but it is it is mind bending when you when you just know the number of people that have no out idea how money works. And they don't learn it until they... In their mid thirties or early forties, which is insane. And... But that is by design. That's the reason why a lot of people would go buy a car, and they'll they'll get a a 28%... They will borrow money on a 2020% interest on a car instead of getting more two, 3%. They don't even know how this will work. I will I will find that too. My very, very first car was a, like, a 32% interest rates. You live and you learn.
[0:38:37] Kkoma @itskkoma: Right? But I was like, oh, no.
[0:38:39] Kool @koolcryptovc: But but I I was gonna say, but I never knew. Like I said, I never learned about finance in school, man. I mean, unless you go to school for finance, the average young person, not just in The US, many, many countries, they don't teach you that stuff. For... Is by design. Because if you don't know how money works, they can make money from you because you're borrowing money to do stuff, and you're paying a premium for doing this. It's it's by design, 100%.
[0:39:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. It's like it was... When you talk about hard money, let's sharecropper math. Like, nobody ever comes out of these loans sometimes. It's so impossible. Right? Like... And and, Cole, to your point, when you say by design, a lot of times in this cut... Like, the way capitalism works, there's... In order for capitalism to work, there needs to be the haves and the have nots. Like, that's a just... I'm not... That's not nothing... That's not... That's nothing new at the end of the day. Right? Like, in order for this system to work, right, there has to be people, like, fighting from the bottom to get to the top, and it has to be the people at the top trying to fight the people at the bottom to keep their position. It's kinda like the wall chain leaderboard. And speaking of the wall chain leaderboard
[0:39:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: Hot show is here for
[0:39:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: you. I have never played walk up music for anybody in their life. Okay? Ever.
[0:39:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: If y'all don't know Hatsu, hold on. One more time.
[0:40:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: My bad, Hatsu. I never play welcome music for anybody, bro. But welcome, my g. What's good?
[0:40:13] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: Yo. This song's gonna haunt me now. I know it.
[0:40:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Welcome, man. What's good?
[0:40:19] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: I was just coming up to add to it. Yeah. It's definitely by design, but there's a lot of ways that you guys can educate yourself. How money works is a fantastic channel on YouTube. He said it, like, 20 times. I think it was cool. How money works, like, go go find places like that that teach actual education on how things are working and what is actually currently happening and why, and you can be educated and be educated enough to educate the people around you so we can all do better.
[0:40:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts, bro. Preach. Hey, yo. Cool. I got... Bro, I... I'll give you the flowers, bro. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have met this crazy ass wizard. You know what I mean? He was dropping some massive jet. If I didn't dive head first into this freaking info fi game, but this is what I'm talking about, guys. Hot tub great info, man. Like, when you meet the people atop these leaderboards, okay, understand something, know what the hell they're talking about minus a copyborrower too. You know what I mean? Like, most of them most of them do. But the majority of them that are at the top of these leaderboards know what's up. Hatu, thank you for coming by, bro. Feel free to hang out. I I would love... I love the contribution. Hey. Coma's up here. Hey, Coma.
[0:41:27] Samara @thee_samara: I I hate you. Elites.
[0:41:32] Kkoma @itskkoma: You know what, Nicole? You mentioned Gucci bags, but you obviously don't know the market for Perkins because the Perkin resale value is insanely high and it's impossible to get. So you have to buy apparently, like, 10 other bags of some sort from from that crazy place called the... I can't remember the names. But, yeah, these bourbons are impossible. You could probably sell it for, like, 10 x or maybe not 10 x, but, like, 5 x. It's insane.
[0:42:00] Samara @thee_samara: Are you talking about Birkins or NFTs? Birkins.
[0:42:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's right.
[0:42:04] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. But do I buy
[0:42:05] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: a ton of what the purse is worth? To get it? You have to spend so much money to get this bag. That's why people are selling them for so much because, yeah, you have to buy four bags, but they're not, like, $4,100 bags. They're for, like, $10,000 fucking bags.
[0:42:20] Moni @monitalan: Yeah. They're $20,000, 30,000.
[0:42:22] Kkoma @itskkoma: Hey. Doesn't that sound like, NFT whitelist? You buy an NFT to get a whitelist to other NFTs, to buy more NFTs, to buy more NFTs, to buy more, and then you just run out of money. Thank god for Infofy. That's all I gotta say.
[0:42:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Even though somebody stole that joke from you right before you said it, it's okay. No. And I have I have whitelist PTSD. Nat, I'll take the fine on this one. Fuck that sleep I got you, guy. That's what I'll say. It made me look like a fool out here on the timeline. Like, I'll give you 20 white list spots. I sent my man 20 freaking white list. Okay? And literally, everyone's messaging me. I can't mint. I can't mint. Mind you, this morning, I confer... And, guys, you saw it. Put the DM on the timeline. I don't give a shit. I am not trying to protect anybody out here. I'm I'm I'm protecting my own ass. I couldn't believe this guy. I said this morning, I was like, can I just add one more? He's like, no. It's too late. I'm like, I I don't wanna push it. You know what I mean? I was like, but the ones I sent you yesterday, like, to round it out are good. Yeah. He goes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody was able to mint today around that time, bro. So, guys, I genuinely apologize. I promise you it was not me. And if they were a little bit cheaper, I probably would have bought the 20, but I'm not here trying to spend the $2,000. You know what I'm saying? Like, I love y'all, but we all we all we all took the l together. Let's look at it that way. Okay? We all took the l together. It is what it is. So ninja came up. Samara, what's good, bro?
[0:43:43] Samara @thee_samara: Yo. Jim, Jim, Dave. Jim, Jim, Monica, Coma. And shout to you guys, man. Shout out to Benny. Yeah, man. I think very soon, we're gonna be able to tip, like, tokenize Birkins. So, you know, fingers crossed. Hopefully, like, that way, it'll be less... It'll be, like, book... Like, harder for the women to ask for. You feel me? Unless the the women are already on chain. You feel me? So, hopefully, you know, tokenize Birkins. So, hopefully, it happens. Yeah, man. The best guys can do this. Shout out to crypto, man. Shout out to crypto.
[0:44:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: Look at the stage, dude.
[0:44:19] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. I don't I
[0:44:19] Samara @thee_samara: don't get that.
[0:44:20] Kool @koolcryptovc: You you... The the broken back cost for what? Like, 80 k. Right? Am I am I correct? Like, 80,000
[0:44:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: per bet? Price in a while?
[0:44:27] Moni @monitalan: No. It's, 30,000. Oh, you can buy one for 30 after you bought other things.
[0:44:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's literally like, oh
[0:44:35] Samara @thee_samara: spending $30,000 on a bag, man. Like, I don't care how fancy it looks. Like like, bro, I don't really understand the whole. Maybe the woman on the stage can actually explain this to me. What's those... The the, like, the enjoyments in getting an expensive bag? Like, it's just a bag. Like, bro,
[0:44:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: like It's like asking about
[0:44:52] Kkoma @itskkoma: the cars you have, like, five cars you have. Like, why do you why do you need five? Not the same. Right? It's point a to point b.
[0:45:00] Samara @thee_samara: It's not the same. It's not the same. Like, bro, like, these are just literally bags. They are just bags. Like, they... And it cost $30,000, bro. It's not the same with a car at all. I So just wanna understand what's the joy. The
[0:45:12] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: The joy is that the poor people see me carrying this bag, and they know that they are too poor to have it, and that I am not one of the pores, and that they should not talk to me.
[0:45:24] Samara @thee_samara: It's just a bird ape. That's that's all it is.
[0:45:28] Kkoma @itskkoma: It's like sports bird on it.
[0:45:29] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: I feel like that's what I said. Is that not what I said?
[0:45:32] Moni @monitalan: Yeah. That's what you said.
[0:45:33] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: I do think
[0:45:34] Samara @thee_samara: I do
[0:45:35] Benny @rarity_garden: it's a
[0:45:35] Moni @monitalan: status symbol, but to be honest, few people can recognize one. So only... It's a status symbol with people that understand the status symbol.
[0:45:43] Kkoma @itskkoma: Man. I I wanted Monica to say it's all about the utility. You could put stuff in it.
[0:45:49] Kool @koolcryptovc: We we do
[0:45:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: have great utility.
[0:45:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Yo. But, Tamara, let's be honest, bro. If you walk... If you bought your girl a $30,000 Birkin bag and y'all went out dinner, that's it. You would not be paying attention to your girl. You'd be watching everywhere she put that $30,000 bag. Like, don't... Hey. Hey. Oh, hey. Baby. Baby. Hey. Baby. Don't don't don't put that down over there. What what what does this look like? Hold on a sec. You'd be sweeping off the freaking... What's it called? Making the seat for the bag, bro. Like, $30,000 for a bag?
[0:46:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's insanity. You know what, Dave? As a woman, I am right there with you. I cannot... Regardless of how much money I make in the stock market, I cannot spend that much money on on a purse. I would be so paranoid. Like, where do I put it? Where do I put it? I... God forbid, I go to New York, and I and I accidentally put it on the floor. Like, is it gonna be ruined? Like, are the rest going to, like, walk over? I would be so paranoid. You have no idea.
[0:46:46] Moni @monitalan: That. As a Latina,
[0:46:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: you never
[0:46:48] Samara @thee_samara: put your purse.... Argument to buy an NFC instead.
[0:46:51] Moni @monitalan: That. As a Latina, you never put your... I know you never put your purse on the floor.
[0:46:56] NatNat @Natnatx007: I I don't, but I'd be so scared to put it anywhere. Like, literally any... I don't... Like, do I take it on a plane with me? Like, my purse is worth more than these Playtechs. It's like, what... Yeah. As a woman, I I have a a different view on this than most women. I would rather very much invest my money in the market....
[0:47:12] Kkoma @itskkoma: Say the resale value is better than an NFT. Like, as someone that helps in a Suzuki and spent way too much money on it, I'm... I think these Bergen bags are probably the way to go.
[0:47:22] Moni @monitalan: And not only those. I mean, so some persons that are $510,000, you can resell for the same or a little bit more sometimes. So if you know how to play the game, just like with anything else, you can actually make money. But I agree with you. I'm not one to spend that much money on a purse.
[0:47:38] Kkoma @itskkoma: Wait till you...
[0:47:38] Moni @monitalan: But if you wanna......
[0:47:39] Kkoma @itskkoma: Pop it off by Monica.
[0:47:41] Moni @monitalan: If you wanna... But if you wanna send me one, I will
[0:47:44] NatNat @Natnatx007: gladly accept What what... The balance?
[0:47:48] Kool @koolcryptovc: To me, what's the amount of doing it? Don't don't they make this batch for, like, $30 in China?
[0:47:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did they debunk these guys? Yeah.
[0:47:56] Kool @koolcryptovc: That's crazy. Right? Like, the same to the iPhone. The iPhones, they they made they made it... Make that for $30.30 bucks in China. They sell it in The US for 1,500 or 2 k.
[0:48:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And So even
[0:48:05] NatNat @Natnatx007: even with, like, jewelry, like, the expensive jewelry that that people pay, like, 30 or $40,000 for, you know you... They get it for way, way, way, way less. Right? But they mark it up, like, 10,000 or 1,000 percent.
[0:48:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Tokenized Birkins are the meta. That's the new title. Nice nice title. That... Nice one. That's a good one. Tokenized Birkins are the meta.
[0:48:27] NatNat @Natnatx007: That wasn't even me.
[0:48:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: That was you, dude. That was me, bro. That was me.
[0:48:33] Moni @monitalan: I remember they have utility.
[0:48:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: You can put stuff in it and stuff.
[0:48:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Do you know what I remember? Know, cool. Do you know what I remember in 2021? This is to show you how much, like like, fuck you money was going around. Sorry, Nat. How much f u money was going around in 2021? When I was in LA, okay, like, it might have been COVID, but what some of these crazy influencers were doing, they were going to Rodeo Drive. They were buying a, like, third... Like, the most expensive crocodile, alligator, whatever, Birken bag, and they were making YouTube videos of setting it on fire and cutting it in half with a chainsaw. And I'm like, if this town is not the most insane town I've ever lived in with the most ridiculous people ever, right, just let Canada... Let let Canada... You hear me? I'm already... Let California just secede. Let it just float into the ocean somewhere. But on that note, Burke and Burner, Landy, what's up, bro?
[0:49:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hello. Sorry. You might hear some Ninja Turtles in the background. They could be real. They think they're real Ninja Turtles, but they're also watching the Ninja Turtle movie, so my apologies.
[0:49:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: They're eating pizza?
[0:49:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: There's there's pizza, there's turtles, there's jumping, there's a movie on. And I am one of the bad guys, so I'm clearly part of the foot plan. And I'm obviously a bad guy because price is going down in in the in the market right now. So... Because I let people know that this was a possibility at some points last week and the week before and the week before that.
[0:50:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: You missed the real glow... You missed the gloating session. Okay? So let's get skip past that.
[0:50:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. No. Not not... No. Not gloating. No. No. No. I am I am being hung on a cross and and put out to pasture. I'm being... I'm the... I'm I'm part of the grand manipulation scheme. The syndicate, if you will. The obvious...
[0:50:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: The Ascension. It was you, wasn't it? That's why my XRP bag is hurting.
[0:50:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: Landing, why didn't you warn us when you were going to sell your bag? We asked you many times.
[0:50:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: I sold all of the coins. And clearly, me and Donald Trump and Donald Trump junior and Eric Trump and the administration were in cahoots with the Chinese that sold some of the Bitcoin on that Friday afternoon as well as everything else that's bad that's happening in the world. So, you know, as part of the syndicate, I do need to tell you that the bid was fairly strong this afternoon, but if it doesn't hold up, we're gonna be looking at lower prices. And, you know, I did make some calls. I said, look. You know, we're trying to info fi over here, and it's not really cool when everybody's, like, in bad bad sentiments going around. So we need, like, a little bit of positive price action so we can info fi a little bit harder. We can kinda get aligned all on the same page, place our bets in in the right places. You know? I... I've gotta... I've really... I've gotta
[0:51:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: get poser out here. It's okay. Infofy is my like pleasure.
[0:51:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: I've gotta I've I've really gotta become... You know, I... I've gotta put all my chips in one in one pot at some point. You know, I've gotta call up my QuanTrix, get my Billy on the line, and really become aligned with everybody in the space.
[0:51:48] Kkoma @itskkoma: This guy's killing every and profite... He's a billion he currently has.
[0:51:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: Look. Look.
[0:51:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm... I'll allow it because my bags are in there too. I'll allow it. I'll allow
[0:51:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: Look. Come on. You have
[0:51:58] Kkoma @itskkoma: You forgot Tanner, bro. Got some tater tots.
[0:52:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: You can't move like... Don't sit on your don't sit on your ass like a tater and and like a... Just, you know, potato on the couch. You... We gotta move fast. You can't be a turtle. You've gotta be like a ninja. You gotta get the katanas out. You just gotta go full on Tibber. Balls to the wall chain
[0:52:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Full on.
[0:52:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: Balls to the wall chain. Rivets. Frogs. And look. I I mean, you can hop to it, and you can really, really, really tibber it away. I mean, you can
[0:52:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's it. Can't take anymore. That... That's it. That's it. No. Don't be
[0:52:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: so...... On my neck here, Jay.
[0:52:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: This this is some jaded
[0:52:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: stuff right now. I I am so info fied out that I've been storing this up, and now you're just gonna sit here. You're gonna Mario jump on my neck? I I don't know. I... Look. We have we have ninjas on stage with us. The criminals are back in crypto. Apparently, I'm one of them, and no one knew that the market was gonna go down. So I have to now info... I'm forced to do this, and I gotta stay on track. I... You know, there's a network... A whole network built around keeping you on track. So we we really do need to get to to to the actual crux of this stuff.
[0:53:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: I got some Wendy, real quick. I just... Just so you know, there is hope for you just so you understand, and it comes in the
[0:53:17] Kkoma @itskkoma: form of......
[0:53:17] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: God. No.
[0:53:26] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: I knew it was coming. I knew it.
[0:53:31] Samara @thee_samara: I love it.
[0:53:32] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: I did actually call the dip though, like, three days before it happened in a... In chat. Somebody asked me if they should go long, and I I said no because they're gonna shake out the longs before we can go higher and literally, like, crushed everything more than I ever expected. But I did call it.
[0:53:48] Kkoma @itskkoma: Did you tell the other guy the opposite? And then, basically, now you're never wrong one way or another.
[0:53:55] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: That's why you have two telegrams, and you charge for both separately.
[0:53:59] Kkoma @itskkoma: Exactly. That's what these pro sports betters says, like, hey. Pay for my premium picks. And then, like, 50% of them, they just send one pick, and then they send the other, and then they always win.
[0:54:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, snap. That's genius. Yo. Birkin on the RealReal, 92,000
[0:54:15] Samara @thee_samara: That's what I'm saying.
[0:54:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: Dollars. Alligator Birkin? What in the world? $92,000. Yeah. Everybody's like, what are
[0:54:25] Kkoma @itskkoma: you talking about in Tacoma? Like, you don't owe anything, but boom.
[0:54:29] NatNat @Natnatx007: No. We believe you. We're just saying that we would never spend that much money on a purse. I mean, I wouldn't. I would rather invest it and and make my returns that way.
[0:54:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: 92,000. If any of y'all buy a net... Let me tell you something. Unless you have, like, money dripping out of your ears, and even then even then Right.
[0:54:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know what this is?
[0:54:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is this is rapper. I... Athlete. I just got a mad check. I don't have any financial literacy, and I went to Rodeo Drive
[0:55:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: to buy my girl about it. NFTs, and they store
[0:55:03] Kkoma @itskkoma: Oh my god. He totally he totally missed by twenty minutes of us. He was
[0:55:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: in the grease trap, bro. He was in the grease trap. I know
[0:55:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: he's I really wasn't.
[0:55:09] Kkoma @itskkoma: It's a good joke.
[0:55:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: Since it's
[0:55:10] Kool @koolcryptovc: a good decision.
[0:55:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: Did you actually did you
[0:55:12] Kool @koolcryptovc: actually beat
[0:55:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: that one to death or what?
[0:55:14] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yes. We did. And it's a... And then they gave me shit about, like, you have to buy, like, three bags or something to get the Birkin. So it's, the empty white list. Yeah.
[0:55:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: You have to buy Yes.
[0:55:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You do have to grind. You do have to grind to get your Birkin. That's... It depends on what kind of grinding you're gonna do. There's all there's all kinds of ways to get on that white list.
[0:55:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: There will be no more. No more dad. I've had it up to here with the dad jokes. You hear me? And the InfoFi jokes. Okay? Enough of the dad Look.
[0:55:41] Benny @rarity_garden: The bar...
[0:55:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: I set the bar really low. I couldn't I couldn't set it very high.
[0:55:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ridiculous. Yeah. That......
[0:55:47] Kkoma @itskkoma: Reasonable, but, like, I don't know if she ever spit on, like, whatnot, but these, like... I I usually stay for, like, the Pokemon cards or, like, the sports cards, but I just want to know... I just dabbled just to see what it's like for the, whatnot with these high end luxury bags. Man, these women, like, they have so much money. I don't know if it's their money or they're, like, sugar daddy's money or whatever,
[0:56:09] NatNat @Natnatx007: but, like, sugar daddy money.
[0:56:10] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yeah. I don't know.
[0:56:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It's insane. Like Coma. Literally, what Let me tell you.
[0:56:15] Kool @koolcryptovc: Oh, yeah. Coma.
[0:56:15] Kkoma @itskkoma: Me Can you describe what they're doing? Like Yeah. Yeah. These these hosts, they put these, like, little, like, papers and these, like, plastic capsules in, like, a bucket. And they're spending, like, $500 per capsule in hopes of winning these, like, these bags. And then if they if they lose, they get, like, this, like, silver bracelet as a consolation price. And they're, like, they're ripping, like, $400, $400, 400. And then, like, once these, like, capsules are, like, limited to, like, 10, they're, like, ripping,
[0:56:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: like, $2,000.
[0:56:45] Kkoma @itskkoma: 2,000... Like, oh my god. It's pure, like, absolute chaos, and I don't think... I don't know. I think crypto has a lot of money, but Web two still has plenty of money that people are throwing around. It's insane.
[0:56:58] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: Well, don't forget a lot of those are sponsored. Sorry, Dave. Go ahead.
[0:57:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[0:57:03] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: Those are... A lot of those are sponsored. So, like, from the betting to when people are ripping packs, like, places will sponsor them so that they get all those for free and they get the money for free. If you see people betting millions of dollars online and losing constantly and freaking out, they got paid to do that because they're a good actor and they get upset and people watch them get upset when they lose money or when they win money, and their... That money is free. It's not their money. It's not their packs.
[0:57:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. Nat, you know what that reminds me of? Anybody that's grow up... That grew... Landy that grew up in New... Well, Landy kinda by default even though he's Upstate New York. We'll just... We'll we'll we'll lobby it. If you've ever been to Times Square, you remember where they used to have, like, the cards. Right? Every time we used to go, like like like, meet... Like, my dad used to work, like, smack in the middle of Times Square. Right? So you sitting outside, he's got the little cardboard box up. He's got three cards, and he's, flipping the cards over. And it's like, which one's where? Which one's where? And then you have, like, the patsy that comes up, and it's like, I'm a spend a $100 because I know where it is. And he's like, okay. And he shows you it in real slow motion. But then when it's time to... Like, when and the patsy comes up, he does it real slow, then they win, and then they walk off, and they're like, yeah. And you're like, oh, I can do this. This is so simple.
[0:58:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: Like This this goes to show you that Dave got taken by three card Monte. Now, Nat, you wouldn't know this thing is your 25.
[0:58:14] NatNat @Natnatx007: I have I have no idea what he thought. I was literally born yesterday.
[0:58:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. So, I mean, I do remember Three Card Monte, and they obviously... Then they evolved to...
[0:58:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: They had that in Rochester?
[0:58:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: Syracuse. Syracuse, Buffalo, Rochester, Poughkeepsie, they had it everywhere.
[0:58:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, it's insane.
[0:58:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: You know, we had we had this travel infrastructure that actually worked at one point in the city and outside of the city. You could actually take a train down to the... I don't know if you know this, but people
[0:58:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, you said take a train. We say take a subway, bro. Like, that's the different
[0:58:48] Landy @CryptoLandy: We took a... We had to take a train to get to even the subway. I mean, we had to take the train.
[0:58:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Exactly.
[0:58:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: We're out of counters invading your space, and then you're there. Dave's over here playing three card Monte trying to take all my... All our money.
[0:59:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, I was 12. I was 12 years old. Okay? I was 12 years old. I don't know what the hell was doing. But my dad taking charge dad looked at me and was like, I am not giving you $20 to go out there. I'm like, dad dad, let me get $20. And he's like, are you stupid or what? I'm like, is
[0:59:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: this guy want a bunch
[0:59:14] Kool @koolcryptovc: of money? This guy?
[0:59:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm like, let me get my allowance early. He's like, no, bro. You can't... These guys are gonna take your money. Guys,
[0:59:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: I Yeah.
[0:59:21] Kool @koolcryptovc: They used
[0:59:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: to do that with gold chains. Like, you could win a gold chain. They wouldn't... You wouldn't win money, but you could win a gold chain. And the guys
[0:59:27] NatNat @Natnatx007: who would win the gold chains rainbow, is it, like, a real gold chain? Oh, if you put it on, you can't No.
[0:59:31] Samara @thee_samara: They were all... It was all fake. It was all fake.
[0:59:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is it, like, those, like, public school, like, Mother's Day, like,
[0:59:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: Like, Chinatown gold chain?
[0:59:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, you know how many you know many gold... Fake gold chains I bought my mom when I was a kid thinking I was doing the right thing, and then all of sudden, up the next day with, like, a green neck, and you're like, what the hell? She's like, I'm allergic to gold. I'm like, fake gold. I'm like, oh, shit.
[0:59:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: My bad. Yeah. I did wanna say something real quick before we hand it over to Monica and and and Track Network. Coma, I know this is gonna be a little hard, but I'm having trouble hearing you when you speak. So if you can take your, like, little, little arms and just, like, pull the phone a little closer to you if you can. Okay? It might be difficult, but if you could take your wiggle arms and just pull it closer, we'll all hear better. Thank you. This so much. I love
[1:00:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: this so much. I love it so much. Oh, Nat, you've officially blossomed into the co host that I always knew you could be. God. It's like a proud dad moment right now. Let me let me... Colman, did you hear, Nat? Can you at least acknowledge that that you can come to the phone instead of it sounding like you're literally taking a shit?
[1:00:34] Samara @thee_samara: No. Exactly. There we go.... Ears.
[1:00:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go.
[1:00:41] Samara @thee_samara: Is that better?
[1:00:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Much much better. You know? Sometimes I get it, but, like, you... It's where you can put the ear pod in. You know?
[1:00:49] Kool @koolcryptovc: Like I
[1:00:49] Kkoma @itskkoma: have my I have my old person moment. You know? I was on the wrong microphone, yeah, on on my computer, so my bad.
[1:00:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Computer. Oh, by the way, just for anyone that is wondering about the Birkins, this is the description. These are the features that it comes with just so you guys know, and this is what you get for $92,300. It's an Hermes top handle bag from the 2025 collection. That's two bullet points of features, by the way. A gold matte alligator, gold tone hardware, Chevron goatskin, which technically means sheep goatskin. Chevron means sheep anyways. Turn lock closure at the front. What? And and it includes a box, a dust bag, a lock, keys, a and a certificate. Yeah. It's a certificate. It says congratulations. Shmuck. You just spent $92,300. Samara. Yeah. BBL.
[1:01:50] Samara @thee_samara: It was a BBL. I'm sorry.
[1:01:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Mark, I ever find out. Yeah. If I ever find out that you bought a Birkin over a BBL, like, we are never gonna be friends again. I just want you to know.
[1:02:00] Samara @thee_samara: Exactly, bro. The highest that can go to BBL, man. Sorry. Sorry. But when he starts with Birks... Like, it's just... I just can't wrap my head around it, bro. Spending that much in a bag, bro. Like, nah. It's it's just weird for me. It's just... It's... It'll forever be weird for me. But, yeah, I understand that, like, women, like, they have different tastes compared to men. Yes. You know, a guy can spend, like, you know, 100 k on a car and just, you know, stare at it all day. But, bro, on a bag on a bag, bro. Like, nah. Nah.
[1:02:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: He said stare at it all day. That was hella creepy, but maybe that's what the women do with the bags.
[1:02:33] Moni @monitalan: That's what I was gonna say. You can stare at it for all day and know that you own that bag.
[1:02:38] Kool @koolcryptovc: Well, see, if you if you have a nice car, you could drive around LA or Miami and pick up some girls. Right? You have an expensive bag. You can't up pick no dudes, man. That's the difference, man. That's the difference.
[1:02:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's the repellent. I'm saying to myself
[1:02:51] Kkoma @itskkoma: You you do realize I was just that women don't need that. I want that liability.
[1:02:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Right?. Yeah. No. No. No. No. That's literally, like, the thing that'll term... It's like going to a strip club. You know what I mean? Like, I'm, hey, baby. No. No. No. Do not come at me. What? This is weird. You're voluntarily coming to me and saying, oh, hey. I know it's for the money. You know? No. It's not how this works. Working on
[1:03:12] Samara @thee_samara: the streets. Strip club weird. Like, I don't understand the whole concept of strip club. It's just weird to me. Forever... It... Forever be weird to me.
[1:03:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: I know a lot
[1:03:19] Samara @thee_samara: of guys enjoy the strip club, but, bro, just going to a place with just, like, you know, half naked women, you can't really do anything. Like, it's just pointless.
[1:03:26] NatNat @Natnatx007: Tamara's girl just sitting next to him, by the way, guys.
[1:03:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. No. No. No.
[1:03:30] Samara @thee_samara: No. No. It's just weird to me. Like, going to a strip club with, like, with with, like, your homies, it's just weird. Okay. So let... Like, let's go to a strip club to get our dick's heart together, and then what? Like, it's just weird. Like, it's it's just... It forever be weird to me, for real. It's just weird.
[1:03:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: I I gotta I gotta be honest. I'm I'm I'm definitely with Samara. I want to... Where's x factor when you need him? You know what I'm saying? Where's taco Tuesday at when you need this dude, bro? Like, I can't believe he's not here for this conversation, but whatever. It's fine.
[1:03:58] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: Not everybody has raised like the ninja.
[1:04:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. That's a good fact. That's a good fact.
[1:04:03] Samara @thee_samara: All things strip club.
[1:04:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: All things strip club is true. Landy, go. But I wonder what did he say about puppets? Like, I can see you... You see a puppet rolling up to the strip club, you're like like, waddling up. Hey. Where are at, D?
[1:04:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. With a crown and some sunglasses on? Hell, yeah. Look. You don't need to fill your life with things. Okay? You need to fill your life with love. And I will tell you that sometimes money money can buy you a lot of love, but that usually isn't lasting love. Right? These things can go away and that love can go away. So if it's...
[1:04:39] Hatsu 🧪 @hatsunama: Depends on if you have enough money or not. Shit. Your money runs out, then it might. How
[1:04:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: how long could that money last? Right? So that's where I encourage all of you to take the longer view on investing. Stop getting getting down in the in the dirty trenches with the five second chart, and just keep info fying. It's the long game. It fills your heart with joy. You can you can create lots of new friends. Just manufacture them in many cases with AI, And then they can interact
[1:05:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: with you,
[1:05:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: and you can interact with them. And then everyone gets on leaderboards, and we get to have games and fun. And then we can all await life changing wealth. We just have to wait. You just have to put on rest of your dreams.
[1:05:24] Samara @thee_samara: And then...
[1:05:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: You are on one today. What are you like? Are you like like, Ninja Turtles, like Invigoration? Like, what's the deal out here? What's going on with you?
[1:05:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm just having some fun. Look. I I... Look. When you are positioned well in the market, you can have some fun. And I am having some fun finally.
[1:05:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: See that?
[1:05:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: I had a good day. Been hanging
[1:05:43] Samara @thee_samara: out me....
[1:05:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: Say that.
[1:05:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You see? Like, you hear what Landy says, like, hey. Listen. Listen. When you make as much money as me and that that do on a show on a livestream, you can come in here, big swing and be like, I'm good. Hey. Watching Ninja Turtles. We're buying Birkins. You know? So I think... I knew... But, Puppet, there's a different flow to your voice today, bro. Like, you are... You're different today. You got, like, meta beats, like, you careless. Like, I don't give a shit what I say. Like, this is this this is great. I I
[1:06:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: I had have been been I have been getting ripped apart in DMs and different group chats the past couple of weeks, and I kinda just said, you know what? I'm just gonna go at y'all in in... Right now because when when I've told you over and over and over again to watch the video, don't ask me the day of, what's going on? Oh my god. When literally we talk about... I'm on spaces where I talk about what's happening. I make videos. I talk about what's happening, and I position for what I think is gonna happen. And then when I'm happy and I'm like, hey. I hope everybody's doing okay. Did you survive the crash? Like, we longed. What happened? You never told us it was gonna get this bad. And I'm like, well, look. I know your tears do fuel me, but I I did tell you what was gonna happen, and so did many others that it was very obvious that we were gonna have some sort of a washout. And it's actually... You know, there was many people positioning for this well ahead of time. And then when it happened, you all went, Friday afternoon, and the whole market shut down. He tweeted it. And then it was back up on Monday. It's obviously gonna go to the moon. Right? No. No. Everybody that knows anything said
[1:07:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: it wasn't gonna go to
[1:07:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: the freaking moon on the way back up. It's probably gonna go back to the downside.
[1:07:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Listen. We want people to come back.
[1:07:37] Samara @thee_samara: We want people to come back too.
[1:07:39] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know what you know what's going on, Dave, is I I know that he's getting some DMs, but also we've been getting some not so nice comments underneath some of the spaces when we're we... When we're talking about our levels. Right? So, like, recently, was one comment that that didn't believe that we called the drop before it happened. So it it was kinda like, okay. So then what... Is anyone listening
[1:08:00] Samara @thee_samara: to what was......
[1:08:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: Live on stage, Dave. I pulled a I pulled a recorded receipt live
[1:08:04] NatNat @Natnatx007: on stage. He did.
[1:08:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, listen. At the end of the day, you look ridiculous. This is crazy work out here. We also... We need listeners. Okay? This show doesn't function if there's not 75 people here listening. Okay? So fun.
[1:08:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: We're having fun. I'm happy. I hope everyone else is happy too.
[1:08:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hope you're all me. Yeah. Because listen. Everybody's got bag bodies at the end of the day. Right? Like, y'all might not wanna hear what some of these dudes have to say, like, what what Landy or NASA say, but because of your bag. But you'd be foolish to really not pay attention because they're genuinely trying to tell you how to read these markets so that you can become a better trader and that you'd probably wouldn't be in the position that you're currently in. Because if you are getting that emotional about it, it probably means yourself are overleveraged. You don't know what to do. You can't hang on to this losing position anymore. And, ultimately, they're trying to tell you if that's your case, you should probably listen to what the fuck they have to say. I'm just saying. Yeah. Because the ones that are holding Bitcoin don't care about what the market going up or down True. On an intraday level and, like, this and that. It's just that
[1:09:10] NatNat @Natnatx007: and that. True.
[1:09:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: Guys, I Look. It's it's gonna be okay.
[1:09:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: It... At the end, it is. It is. It did... The markets always bounce back, and Bitcoin always hits a new high. But I did wanna mention something. Don't think we touched on this yesterday. Crypto.com CEO filed for a case against Binance following a 400 bill... Following 400,000,000,000 in liquidation caused by ban... Binance faulty internal price oracles. That's gonna be
[1:09:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[1:09:36] Kkoma @itskkoma: How much?
[1:09:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's gonna be interesting, especially now with the.com having the Trump name behind them.
[1:09:41] Kkoma @itskkoma: Can you tell me that in terms of Birkenbergs? How many is that?
[1:09:45] NatNat @Natnatx007: Like, depends on which one says that. 10?
[1:09:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. I will... Obviously... That's a lot
[1:09:55] Kkoma @itskkoma: of that's a lot of money.
[1:09:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: That is a lot of money.
[1:09:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:09:58] NatNat @Natnatx007: That is... I pinned the story to the shop anyway because I think it's very interesting. I wanna see how this plays out because it puts Binance in a very, very tough position right now.
[1:10:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: They... Don't worry. They were handing out, like, 4 to $6,000. Everything's gonna be fine. Everything... Like, $4,000. Oh, and we're also gonna give you some Aster, and we're gonna give you... Oh, don't forget this one. This 4. It's a meme coin, but don't worry. It's gonna be fine. Everything's gonna be good. We're gonna give you that. Real quick, though. Also, thanks to Ryan, we just found out that Paxos minted 300,000,000,000,000... Oh, wait. That was yesterday's story. My bad. My fault.
[1:10:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: 300,000,000,000,000? Wow.
[1:10:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's 300,000,000,000,000? Yeah. Yeah. That was... I'm sorry. That was yesterday's story. 300,000,000,000,000, but then they burned them. But that... Thank god for Ryan. Thank god for Ryan. Oh my god. If it wasn't for Ryan,
[1:10:42] Samara @thee_samara: I don't know
[1:10:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: where the hell we'd be. But, Benny, thank you for being patient, bro. Aaron, same to you guys. We had a... Now that we got the Bitcoiners here, Benny, tell me what you got... What what what do you got cooking, man? What's as of late? We were obviously reminiscing, like, last week with Aaron. What's new on your end, man? What are you building? What are cooking?
[1:11:00] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. I was thinking about to how... Where to start, actually. So yeah. So well, one track network releases imminent end of month. Wallet releases mobile and browser. You know, we're merging the TAP wallet together with track network. And so it's like Bitcoin, TAP protocol as well as track network supporting. So it's a multi protocol slash chain wallet now. And, yeah, there's a lot going on. We just released recently really cool tools to have, like, a typical NFT experience, but but but with Bitcoins called digital meta tool released at the same time social minting, yeah, where it includes a minting strategy. And there's a lot of... There's a lot going on also in the ecosystem. I don't know. We can talk later about that a lot. We will talk definitely about NAT. Yeah? I see that block runners here. They... It would be cool if you could pull them up, like, for a few minutes so so they can talk about all the secrets of NAT. Right? Because they know know that best. But that's in in a nutshell, like, literally, we're just happening, like, the last couple of weeks. Right? So, generally, we're we're, like, developing since a couple of years, like... And, like, really through the mud. Yeah. That happened since then. And and now we're we're clearing literally our workbench. Yeah. That's what we're doing and and releasing, like, one thing after the other and and super happy now that we got at that point where we actually can do that. Happy to explain more. But as I said before, pick pick the best part and ask me about that. Right? So that's probably the best approach, I guess, because it's so much.
[1:12:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I wish we had gamer here, though, too. But, Lendi, I... Obviously, like, know, like, you're heavy into, obviously, into the Bitcoin world. What's the deal... What's the latest updates with TAP? Like, when I when I, like, when I hear this stuff, like, all I've been hearing is not tap, but, like, oh, with cat and this and that. And I'm just like, what is the latest out here, like, with with all of this stuff? Like, where does current, like, I guess, Bitcoin sentiment stand when it comes to, like, this this stuff? Yeah.
[1:13:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: We've been fighting a little bit. And, you know, the window size for, you know, some arbitrary data making its way into the network has kinda rubbed some people the wrong way. But, also, there's... It's a very nuanced argument. It's already going through. So, you know, Core 30 updated. We're already running it. It's over. So, I mean, sentiment from those on the network and running, you know, miners is fine. Like, the the noise online matters little in most cases, and in this case, it has mattered little. As it comes to, like, the builders, everybody's just building. Right? Like, these guys have been building the entire time. And since since we... We've gotten Taproot Wallets and the integration of the Ords protocol, you know, many are finding very interesting ways to build really cool stuff. So while everyone's freaking out in market price or or fighting over things like the window size for arbitrary data on the op return side, builders are building. And we are seeing a lot of really cool stuff being built. I'm really interested in where track network is going. Right? I've been I've been in this in various ways and obviously was a big supporter of the, NAT and DMT, protocols. We saw this move over to even stacks. Really cool stuff being built, and real builders build stuff. And then everyone else finds out about it later when, when when it's ready... When we're ready to, you know, maybe distribute a little bit of supply of the certain things. So just pay attention now.
[1:15:20] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, that's true. Like like, literally, everyone is building. Like, from from the first ordinance wave back then, there's, of course, not not all of them are still building. Yeah. But that's in the nature of things. We are fortunately among those that that keep building because not just ideas, but also, like, long term plans. And the reason why Track Network exists in the in the form that it's... That it will be released end of month came actually or emerged from from that period back in 2023. And back then, we we we we we knew, like, pretty early on, right, that this whole indexing thing, yeah, is is extremely important in in that space, yeah, especially when you're dealing with meta protocols and all and all these ideas, you know, that that emerged since then. And over time, I started to develop a peer to peer framework to to basically to basically have decentralized APIs. Because in my opinion, that's actually where you need to start with. Yeah. Instead of having, like, RPC endpoints that are centralized and that that are not free, yeah, in terms of data should be free. The... That was the first thing that was being built out. And that... That's actually... That's an example, was done the first time, actually, where it really, really mattered was with Bitmap. Yeah? So when when Bitmap just came out, Blocker and Co two, they were they were literally, like... We were literally meeting, yeah, about that because nobody was, at that point, either willing or capable of supporting that to index these. We just went forward and said, okay. We index that. We put that into the into the into into the peer to peer API framework, and the rest is history. Right? And then moving forward, we did the same with with TEP protocol, which is a middle protocol. And, however, along the way, we figured pretty quickly there's, like, much, much more to it. So on how... What... How we ended up with was a literal... That we were able to build a literal l one interop player that is not only capable of serving the needs for us when it comes to dealing with Bitcoin, but we're also able to serve literally any system by putting them together in a true peer to peer l one, which is not a blockchain, by the way. So what can you do with that? Since that's an interoperability layer, it's connecting things. It's that that thing that that literally carries that. However, there's more to it. Yeah? All the communication is peer to peer. It's not just that there is a decentralized ledger that is shared peer to peer, but the whole communication is peer to peer between... Literally between the peers. We are... We quite determined And real Yeah.
[1:18:48] Kool @koolcryptovc: Real quick. Can I can I just
[1:18:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: ask one question? So, like, how many users are using this currently? Like like, what you're building? Like, how many people are actually on the network using, like, the tools that you're out here building?
[1:19:01] Benny @rarity_garden: It... We have we have ups and downs. Like, overall, I believe on the... On TEP protocol, we have roughly, like, 3,000,000 transactions. A lot of that is based based on digital meta theory transactions. Yeah. The network itself is not is not out yet, but we have... When it comes to to the to the peer to peer API, There is centralized exchanges using that, KuCoin, Gate, Maxi, and and, basically, people that benefit from that. Right? Also, bit.com, they are using it. So so they have an actual, you know, like like, interest and incentive to use that, and they use that for their for their customers. So I don't know how many customers they have. Right? But indirectly, you can assume it's, like, a few 100 that are using this. Right? And this is all infrastructure. Yeah? And community wise, WhatsApp, like like, a lot of people, yeah, that that that are with us, and we're very cooperative. Right? So, like, for example, with with digital digital matter theory, a word from the block runner, we were talking about how can we actually make that thing, you know, like like indexing for digital meta theory. How how would that look like? They they came with a really cool definition for digital meta theory, and then it was about how do how do we index that efficiently. Right? And then this got got included into the TAP protocol. Right? And that was a a a... Yeah. And and combined effort, so to say. Yeah? So we're we're delivering delivering infrastructure that that entities and people use. Yeah? We don't have all the numbers, of course, because they are, like, people behind people, you know, that in... Indirectly use that. But we should be at the point already where it's, like, a few thousand. Yeah? And we expect because how the how the track network, the l one works, plus the applications that we are developing for that, that this number is going to steadily increase because of the because of the use case of the of the network itself. Yeah. So that... That's what we're aiming at. And we are... What we're trying is literally... You... We would... You were talking earlier about RWA stuff. Right? And that's exactly that, what this is for. Yeah? Tokenization. You you want to have, like, things tokenized. You want to have... Ideally, yeah, you want to have the tokenization on Bitcoin. So it means you have trade network that are one that's interoperable and allows for all that. You have TAP protocol where you can tokenize with tokenize with Bitcoin. It's aligned with Bitcoin, and you can put that basically together. Yeah? And then on top of that, we have things like homomorphic encryption, yeah, that you can that you can build in into your apps for the track network, right, which is also a cool feature and and many many more things, you know, like being ready for for agentic AI and things like this, efficient or cost efficient oracling, yeah, and things like this. This is, like, literally, like, all in one package, and that's the cool stuff about that.
[1:22:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And and, Benny, like... So I don't I don't hear the words Bitcoin and AI really mentioned ever in the same sentence. Like, I I genuinely don't. So when when I hear... You know what I'm saying? Like, so you give us a little bit... Yeah. Like, on the AI front, like, what is track doing? Like, what are some of the things that I'll be... I need practical application. Right? Because, like, all this is great, but, like, I'm... Like, I want the audience to genuinely understand and walk away with, like, okay. This is what this guy is doing and how it can be useful for them.
[1:22:58] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. So if you're if you're providing infrastructure, you don't know really precisely what people will do, and and you will be surprised what people will do. Just to give you an example, Solana came out long before PumpFund came out. I believe nobody of the founders of Solana thought that their, that their chain, you know, will be carried by something like PumpFund. They would probably have something different in mind. And I I think it's the same here. However, when it comes to something concrete, that that would be... That that... That's what we are building our hardware infrastructure around when it comes to AI. Is basically the the the the local support of of MCP clients and servers. Yeah? So... And MCP is like a... Is a is a a pretty young protocol that's that's, like, getting, like, a lot of steam in the AI space. And what it does is, like, think of it like a plug in system for for LLMs, right, or other other types of models. Yeah? Do you want to have the ability of of of MCPs being included in in in in in crypto, in in general. Right? And we want to have to include... We want to have this included also as a capability to be used within the track l one network. So... And what you can do with that concretely is you can orchestrate, like, different tools that you're using that are connected to to LLMs. Right? Doesn't doesn't really matter what they're doing. That's really, like, the the the the concern of the project and literally inject that into a contract. However, when you are in executing that on the contract side, right, you need to have the ability to do that in a way that when it enters the contract, that it's structured data. Yeah? And that's what you basically do with with MCP interfacing. Yeah? And this gives you then basically the ability for these projects. Yeah. To... For example, looking into the books of some trader. Yeah. So looking into the books of some trader, the the trader supports himself with with with some with some AI agent. Yeah. These things happen. Right? And then at some point at some point, whatever he's executing, whatever he's transacting, needs to land in a smart contract. And what what lands in the smart contract needs to make sense. Yeah? And, ideally, because you are looking into the books, you don't want that everything, because that's public space, is going to be visible. Yeah? You only want to have proof of certain things, yeah, that are visible. And that's where, for example, homomorphic encryption kicks in. Yeah? So this is like the the... This is... These are, like, the components that you need to make these things actually happen because it's easy to say to use RWA. But in the end, you need to look into the books of someone. Yeah? And that's, like, really critical stuff. Yeah? That it, of course, sits in the books. And you don't want always to reveal everything. You just, but you want to have to prove what happened, not exactly on on what the exact data that happened. Yeah? So instead of... It's it's it's not like, you're encrypting, like, the the the whole transaction. That's not what it is about. It's about, knowing what's going on without knowing, like, every single detail. Yeah? Because it's too sensitive. So... And that is what we're working on to combining that into a... And not only to a framework, but actually into an l one. It's very abstract. I know that. But you need to come from an abstract level to actually make these things happen, so to say.
[1:26:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Got it. So... And where where does the... Like, now, like, are you guys... How is how is this whole thing funded, and what's coming up in the immediate future you said? Like, I know you're obviously launching the l 1. So is there a token that... Like what do people in the audience need to, like, need to know? How could... How do we get involved? How could we help?
[1:27:16] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. Okay. Of course, there there is an actual coin that's gonna exist, but it's not that we raised anything on this on this. Just a little bit historic background on that. So when we started in 2023, when literally everyone was, like, deploying b l c twenties all over the place. Right? I raised the questions like, do we do it to the community that that was already existing back then? Right. I was raising a question through deploying a token call track. If if if if if anyone wants wants this indexing Right? And whatever follows after. And if that means out, alright, then we do it. And, yeah, got minted out, so that was literally, like, the the the goal for that. Yeah. And it was a complete public mint... Fair mint. Right? And I... I'm also personally... And and the the company didn't exist back then, so personally, it didn't mint really much there. Right? But I think I minted, like, 25,000 or so from twenty one million. And else in that was completely fair mint. Right? So the whole distribution is is is diluted. Yeah? And, however, moving forward, we knew at some point we need to have... It's a necessity to have a... An an asset there. Yeah? Because you don't want that your network is being spammed and things like this. So needs to have some costs involved. So we'll approach a community and said, you know what? There's a strike token on BSC 20. It's loosely, you know, like, coupled with what we are doing. So why are we not, like, making a transition to to track network to to be used as an actual coin? Yeah? Just like any other, you know, like, network asset. Yeah? And whoever wants to do that can do that and join the transition. And who doesn't want to do that, they just don't. Yeah. There's no no no must to do that. Yeah. They will just keep their b l c twenties... The track on the b l c 20 side, and that's it. Right? So super fair. And we will have end of month a... That that release where where where these... Where these coins actually then distributed. It's like like a... Now I can think of it like a pre mine event, a onetime pre mine event, where these then are associated basically to the to the track holders, to the former track holders. And from there on out, it's it's it's it's it's a natural gas asset. Yep. That... That's what it is for. And the name or the ticker of that... Of the tokens, TNK, that's why it's so important that we just released the wallets, the wallet updates because it includes the track network support. So you can create T and K addresses because that's what you need in in the end to receive this. Yeah. So that's that in a nutshell.
[1:30:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Good stuff. Appreciate it. No. This was... Benny, like, I appreciate you coming through, man. This was super helpful. I I hope... I mean, I I I just see, bro. Like, the the Bitcoin crowd follows you, bro. They really, really do. And, Benny, like, maybe what we could do also, like, you know, for... If there's a next time, like, as you guys kinda progress, I was, like, keeping in touch with anybody that obviously comes through on the show because I wanna see how this stuff develops. Right? I don't wanna just kinda educate the audience on something, and then it's like, yeah.
[1:30:52] Benny @rarity_garden: You know what Yeah. Yeah. I was super happy. There is, for example, there's a lot more going on. Right? I mean, in the ecosystem right now, just, quote, unquote, just have protocol. Right? There's Block Runner here. They they can talk about net. Yeah? Also also super... It's it's their their project. Right? But it's it's, like, really going going... Like, going crazy right now. So there... There's adoption from actual Bitcoin pools, like top five pools. Yeah. Ant Pool and Ant Pool and Spider Pool, for example. Yeah. We can talk about that a lot. Right? Doesn't have to be just, you know, just me. Like, there are people out there that are actually using that. Right? And that they... And not just using it, but also trying to make a difference. Right? So that... That's that's why I'm... That's why I keep saying there's a lot lot going on.
[1:31:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No. Good stuff. I... Like, we... You guys, we should do, like, a, like, like, a, like, a Bitcoin specific show, like, one day and just get all these dudes. And Block Runners, shot you guys an invite earlier to come through, but I totally understand if you guys can't come up. Maybe we'll get you next time. I know we are about fifteen minutes just kinda past the hour, and I know people got families and stuff they wanna get back to, and I'm I'm obviously starving. But, Benny, this this was great, man. I I love the... I feel like you're a wealth of knowledge. You know what I mean? Like, there's so much education to be done out here, and I need to really step my Bitcoin game up. That's for sure. Because the puppet and this fancy pants over here are only talking about how much money they're making at the end of the day on Bitcoin trading. I'd like to know the ecosystem stuff as well, which is kind of awesome. But, yeah, Benny, please go for it. Give us your closing thoughts.
[1:32:33] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. Because you said Bitcoin. Yeah. Then track network is for sure not Bitcoin. Yeah. It can operate itself, yeah, by itself, like, independently. It's also multipurpose. Right? However, it it shares a lot of of of that ethos. Yeah? And an important part of this ethos is that we're going back to run things locally. Like, you you can, and that's, like, the primary way of doing things. And we have already done that with with an app that's called HyperMod, another app that's called HyperFun, where... It's called local first. Literally, the entire app, including the smart contracts, work locally. So you have your wallet locally. You have your your smart contracts running locally. You have everything locally, and everything works peer to peer. That's that's that e force. That's your original promise, yeah, that that we that we learned, especially 2016, 2017. And I believe we should consider... Also in front of what happened just recently, we'll probably consider, you know, going back to these kind of fruits. Tech... Technology wise, we can all do this right now. We couldn't do this, like, like, eight or ten years ago. Right? It's, like, impossible to run, you know, like like, a 16 terabyte node locally. Right? But we don't need to do that anymore. Yeah? We we we don't need to to not necessarily, like, for everything, connect all our wallets to a website if we don't want to. Yeah? There are ways now to do it the way it was supposed to be, and we perfectly showcased how that looks like with these two apps already. And these these were, like, prereleases of that network. Right? That that... This prerelease works totally gasses and stuff like that. But... And that's that's basically where we're coming from, yeah, with with Track Network.
[1:34:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Amazing. Yeah. I I I... Listen. I I I told these guys I'm a little bad in my depth when it comes to track, and I'm just glad that kinda Aaron came on and it was kinda schooling us. But, Benny, I appreciate you coming through, and I wish you obviously, like, the best of luck. You what I always think of, Benny? Because I was actually talking about this this last thing I'll say. And, actually, I do have one more question for you. Do you think that we're too ahead of our... Because I'm always curious how, like, you guys... You amazing builders, like, what goes on in your heads. Do you think we're too early to this? Because I had a conversation this morning on my Sunpump space with a couple of, like, decentralized AI guys, and I'm like, is this too early? Like, because when I hear running locally and everything else, that's, like, that's where we need to go. Right? Like, especially. But are we too early to this? Like, is this too early now? Like, and do people really and I say this respectfully, but, like, do people give a shit right now? Like, do enough people give a shit in order to, like, for this to really be a thing now?
[1:35:27] Benny @rarity_garden: I don't mind if they give give a shit or not because what what what we are doing or what I'm doing is we we we build and lay out things. And to give you just an example, yeah, to come back to net, we have created a a TEP protocol to to Fiumbridge. Was laying dormant for almost a year. Right? Then Block Runner, you know, like, started to to to to re... Go really hard on that thing, yeah, in a positive way. And then suddenly, the bridge became a thing because it got a necess... Became a necessity because people wanted to have access... Would still want to have access to to to NAT on the Ethereum side. Yeah? So... And and we have this literally laid over laid all over the place. Yeah. When it comes to AI, there are developments right now, and you know how fast it goes, where where just recently, where where where it turned out that tiny models are capable in size, not not necessarily in computation, but in size. Yeah? We we we just... We've had... We've 7,000,000 parameters have... Can have models that outperform large language models with 80, 90, one, and 20,000,000,000 parameters. Yeah? That's insane. And the the problem is not necessarily that the people are not ready. The problem is rather that not everything is optimized yet, and everything is brute force. Yeah? And the and the thing is, and that's what we're learning right now is if you... What we've just learned is a typical type of brute... Brute forcing, right, the that recent cascading, you know, dump that happened, it was literally brute forcing. Yeah? If we brute forcing, like, consistently all the time, yeah, then it becomes relevant. And this is exactly what happened. If you brute force stuff, you will hit the wall. And if this wall is cracking, you're gonna have a problem. So what we are doing is we keep building. We lay out the stuff. It's probably not useful right in that moment, but we know there's a good chance it might become it might become useful in the future. Yeah? Bridge is one example. We were the first ones who literally created an a m... AMM, yeah, with with Bitcoin, with the help of ICP, that protocol which we call a coprocessing, nobody had any interest in that, although everybody was calling for something like that. It was laying dormant too. But now it's different. It's picking up. You know? And that that tells me that the strategy, yeah, to lay out things all over the place where you believe as a strategy that's important or may become important, some or many of these things at some point will become relevant. That... That's literally what we're doing.
[1:38:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Got it. Okay. Yeah. It makes sense. As the infra provider, it's like, look. I don't know what some people's use cases are gonna be for the shit that we build. Right? Like you said. And I think, like, that that clicked for me. Okay. That makes sense. Where it's like some of the stuff, like you said, can just literally just be laying dormant and quiet, and then next thing you know, somebody comes along. And all of sudden, it's like, oh, I have a great idea for this. Like, this could be amazing. And then you're
[1:38:52] Benny @rarity_garden: like, oh. Best best example is OpenSea. OpenSea 2018, I believe, was the first time I I stumbled upon OpenSea. I've I've fought that that project. Right? And two years later, you know where they went where they went. Right? So no need to to to say that. Yeah? It's a prime example of that.
[1:39:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Really good. Okay. That... Now I'm glad that I I asked and prodded a few more questions because then it became a lot more clear to me as to kinda, like, what track... What you and track are doing. So this is... Okay. This is cool now. I got... Not now, but I'm just saying, like, it clicked for me a little bit a little bit more. Benny, thank you, man, for for for explaining it and being patient with me and my dumbass. Sometimes, like, it takes a little bit, but I get it. Like, I I I totally totally get it now, man. That that... This is really, really good stuff. So, Benny, if there's anything that that... If you wanna come back at any point, like, launch, token, whatever, like, please come back and let us know. We're happy to obviously, you know, give you the floor here, support, the ATC fam, you know, like, there's still 66 people in here that obviously, like, wanna hear what you have to say. So, Benny, I appreciate you taking the time and coming with us, man. Thank you.
[1:39:58] Benny @rarity_garden: Yeah. Thank you too. Likewise. Thank you.
[1:40:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: My pleasure, man. My pleasure. Alright, guys. That's it for ATC for the week. We will see you guys obviously on Monday. I hope everybody has a great weekend. Cool. Shout out to Nat. Thank you. Landy, appreciate you coming through. Come up. Appreciate the hell out of you guys. Thank you. Samara, yo. Hats, I won't do it to you. Have to close, bro. But I appreciate you coming by, my brother, Benny, tracking the... Yo. Shout out, Aaron. Thank you for obviously setting this up and and and getting Benny in here for for last week's convo. And to everybody here that's... Listen, man. I hope everybody has a great weekend, and we will see y'all on Monday. Peace.
[1:40:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: Say it, Samar.
[1:40:37] Samara @thee_samara: Let's go fucking.
[1:40:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thank you. Metal beast will be proud even though he's not here. Don't ask any questions, anyone. Bye.