All Things Crypto w/Special Guest Talus Labs & TatorTrader

# All Things Crypto w/Special Guest Talus Labs & TatorTrader | 2025-10-22 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1OyKAjbYplMGb | status: approved
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[0:00:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think I just removed cool by accident. Hold up a second, guys. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up. That is crazy work. Cool. I think I accidentally removed you. Cool. I accidentally removed you.
[0:00:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: My bad. Nat Nat fingers. Oopsie. Let me send... I gotta... My bad, guys. Hold on a second. I gotta send I gotta send Cool. I gotta send Cool the space back because I went to go make him cohost, and they put the remove button right there. So, yeah, let me just... I can't believe I just removed Cool from the space. That is crazy work. Good stuff. I see we got Mike, Ben. Moni's coming up. Guys, I gotta... I'm testing something new out over here. So give me a second. We're gonna try out this song jam and prepare to have your minds blown right now. Okay? That's all I'm saying. Just get ready because this is going to literally blow your minds. Hold on a second. Just watch. This is some this is some some new new Twitter spaces tech that we're gonna get to play with today. Cool. I'm sorry, bro. I'm so sorry. You guys know how guilty I feel every time. I'm like, wait a minute. Alright. Y'all ready? Check this out. Check this out.
[0:02:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Give it a second. Cool. You're gonna be impressed with this. Watch. Listen, bro.
[0:02:52] Voice L: Mike left, Charles Lit, Dave set the pace. Every take a gym, every call a check. We don't follow trends. We... Why create momentum from credit fight or chain fight? We've been a system. They talk TV. We talk tokens and truth. We don't miss the web. We are built up booth. We don't chase coins. We chase conviction. Every drug decoded, every market mission. From the charts to the streets is pure ignition. All things crypto to new transmission. All things crypto. The new transmission. All things crypto. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool lifting weights and portfolios too. Flex on charge gains like deja vu. Discipline drive, heat the balance of both. Body and bags, man's built on growth. Nat Nat. The trap of Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman. Flipping fundamentals. True be humming. She don't follow
[0:05:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my gosh.
[0:05:52] Mike Hanono @0xgmike: That was Bro, that was fire. Bro,
[0:05:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: from the SongJam DJ, shout out to Adam, SongJam, the rookie team. Bro, compliments of them. We have the SongJam DJ on stage with us. I also have the ability to add sounds, little sound boards. You better believe that our Wonder Woman is gonna get. We're gonna... I'm gonna be dropping a million... I'm gonna get some tater trader. I'm gonna make some tot sounds. I'm gonna get clips from every speaker. This is gonna be Bee. Yeah. Wee. Exactly. Let... A meta bee. That's what I'm talking about.
[0:06:29] Ben @ben_frigon: You you might be in the wrong industry, man. Maybe you should be a producer.
[0:06:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, if you give me the tool, hey. Listen. The shoe fits. I don't care. You know what I mean? Mike, tell me that one. That didn't... Bro, but hold on. Before I go to you guys, I need to ask my regular. Like, cool. How did... Did that sound 10 times better than what it normally sounds like? Yeah. No. No. I can't
[0:06:48] Kool @koolcryptovc: I can't... Yo. I... It's dope. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, you... That kind of song, I'll I'll play I'll play that in
[0:06:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: the gym for sure. I'll play that in the gym for sure. It's fire, man. Oh, let's go. Let's go. Yeah, man. Shout out to Adam's song jam. He came into his space earlier, and I've been preaching this gospel for a minute, but I've actually never used the product until, my dumbass until today. But... Because I heard it in the space, and I was like, this is fire. Like, I really like this. And today was the first time that I actually use it, and you could upload any music you want. I do wanna check one thing out. Tell me if you guys are able to... Oh, look at SongJam DJ. Look at that emoji she's throwing up. You never seen that emoji up in here, have you? Never ever ever, have you? What about this emoji? No. Not this emoji. You don't wanna do this emoji? Just the fire emoji? Alright. Just the fire emoji. We'll go with the fire emoji for now. That's good enough, I guess. Whatever. Oh, it says on on iPhone... Wait. Let me see. It says on iPhone that it might it might be... There might be some some some little complications. But... Alright. But, hey, SongJam has the fire. Okay? Thank you very much, SongJam DJ. Guys, I'm like a real DJ now. This is crazy work. Anyways, welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Happy hump day to all things crypto. Happy wall chain freaking quack day. Happy limitless day. Happy stimmy day to everybody that was able to make themselves a bag today. Shout out to every single one of you guys for real. Real. Shout out to Yuri, to the wall chain crew. Cool. I know that you definitely ate today. I know a bunch of, like, people ate. Was unfortunately on the outside. Me and Monica didn't make the cut. We were too lazy. Monica, we need to step our game up. But cool. What's good, bro? Welcome. Tell me about today, bro. Like, did we sell did we sell our our bag, or are we waiting? We think it's gonna be in the No.
[0:08:35] Kool @koolcryptovc: Bro. I still I still... Bro, I'm not... I mean, like I said, I... I'm just... You know, I've been in crypto too long. You take your win, you run. If it moves past you is what it is, I did sell. I'm not I'm not holding that stuff. I mean, like I said, I mean, now I'm I'm I'm grateful for the win. I I appreciate all the wins I get. It was a very, very good day today, and I'm I'm telling you right now, I think wall chain is is is... Has hits home runs after home runs after touchdowns after touchdowns after goals after goals because Avantis killed it now. Limitless killing it. I I am I am blown away with the execution and you being on a... On aligners. Aligners probably gonna do something similar to what what what what you're seeing with advantage and with limitless. So it's it's... I I guess I'm happy, though. You know why? Because a lot of us on this space right now, I... We brought to to to the... To crypto Twitter. A lot of people that listen to us, we've we've we've done well, man. I hope I hope the more wins come. So... Yeah.
[0:09:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Cool. Good stuff. Yeah. Morning, real quick. Again, then I'm gonna say what's up to Nat, Nat, and the crew. What's up?
[0:09:48] Moni @monitalan: I have a question for Cool. So, are you gonna do season two?
[0:09:52] Kool @koolcryptovc: Oh, I'm... I've already started.
[0:09:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: What do you is that? What are you crazy? What you mean? What do you mean? What do you
[0:10:00] Kool @koolcryptovc: you are you are on it until the will fall off. That's that's the motto. So... No. No. No. There's no... Rewards big, rewards small. We're on it. I like it because it it keeps my crypto journey going, man. Like, it it keeps the excite. I need something new. I need something challenging. So, yeah, of course, I'm I'm on all of it, man.
[0:10:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Man, from your lips to god, the ears on the aligners thing, cool. I swear to god, man. But for real. But congrats again, bro. Well, well, well deserved. Amazing. We... Bro, we expect... I've been seeing some crazy stimmies come across this time line, like some crazy numbers, but good stuff. Nat, our info fi rookie, Colin's fast. What's up?
[0:10:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm great. I am surviving out here with this bad tech. Right? It is what it is. I am posting. I am keeping the the liners name alive. Because you know what? I really do believe in what... In in in that project and what they're doing. Right? Aside from Infofy, I like what they're doing.
[0:11:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Amazing. Yeah. I mean, Nat, you were in the space with Adam before, like, with me earlier. Like, you heard everything that was going on. Like, cool. Just FYI, I'm putting me, you, and Nat and Adam in the group. He said he's got inbound leads for days. And I'm like, what a coincidence. ATC is always looking for sponsors, so sounds like a normal conversation for us to have. So we're gonna be chatting with him and trying to incorporate this. You guys see we got the song jam DJ up here. But, Moni, what's up before we get to our guests? What's good? How are you?
[0:11:32] Moni @monitalan: Good. Good. I'm excited that the Talos team is here today. We actually... I did a workshop for them this morning on Discord, and you know how much I love Discord, so this is how much I love Toss.
[0:11:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: But, no, I'm excited I'm excited to be here today. Love it. Good stuff. Good stuff. Good stuff. I'm gonna save the best for the gents. I'm gonna come back to you in a sec. Ninja, welcome. The tater trader quick and tell extraordinaires here, ladies and gents. Ninja, what's cooking, baby? What's up?
[0:12:01] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: What's up, everyone? It's it's Thursday. It's almost Friday. That... That's what it is. Or sorry. It's not even Thursday. Bro.
[0:12:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. Ninja pulled the cool. He almost had me for a second. Yo, Ninja, you need to start... You need to chill out on the shipping, bro. That's the problem. You ship too much.
[0:12:18] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Man, now... Yes. Yeah. Don't even know what date is. Don't even know where I even got Thursday from. It's been a long two days or three days now at this point in the week. So
[0:12:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love it. I love it. Well, Ninja, welcome. I know you got some announcements for us. Nat, the tots, the collection is coming. The no neck tots, that was coming? The NFT? Yeah. The no
[0:12:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: neck tots are coming. Alright? So chill out. Yes. They're absolutely coming. We got our... Well, I'm gonna let Ninja make the announcement in a few. But, Ninja, you got time to to hang out with us. Yeah?
[0:12:56] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Yep. Yeah. I got I got some time today.
[0:12:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. Beautiful. Good stuff. Hang out for a little bit. Wanna say what's up to the boys over at Thales. Gents, welcome, Mike. What's going on, man? Love to have you here. What's what's cooking?
[0:13:09] Mike Hanono @0xgmike: What's up? What's up? Love the energy here. Love the music. The welcome. It's a pretty pretty hype space. Really happy to be here.
[0:13:16] Ben @ben_frigon: Love love to shout out to Monica too. She's great.
[0:13:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: She's... Hey. Mody's our referral queen, bro. She said she's in the song for a reason. What do you mean? She's ATC royalty out here just like the rest of this crew up here. Gonna be... This is the best damn show in crypto. But if you ever need a referral, don't talk to Coma. Don't talk to the copy bar. Talk to Monica. Use... Everyone use Monica's referrals. Alright? Coma's making enough Bitcoin out here. So is Nat. It was turtle today too, so we gotta, I guess, congratulate Coma too, but in a second. But, Mike, good to have you here. Ben, welcome, man. What's good?
[0:13:48] Ben @ben_frigon: Hey. We're doing alright, man. I mean, I know, before we get into Talos, there's probably, like, some news going on. What was the news today? Like, market's nuking. Why why are we nuking today? What's going on? Did we get tariffs or something like that?
[0:14:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Chill. Chill. We're gonna get there. Trust me. So let me get... Let me tell how the format goes. We're essentially... We got you... If you guys can, we got you... If we can get you for... The show's about ninety minutes. We do a quick market breakdown just to keep everybody in the loop, Then we obviously go over anybody's... If we had some wins today, obviously, Dave was a big day on the InfoFi side with Wallchain, Limitless. Yeah. And we'll and we'll talk some market talk, and then we definitely save some time for you guys, like, kinda, like, towards the end to kinda give us, like, really... Like, you know, sell us on Talos exactly what it is and anything important that... Or or valuable that that that our audience should know if that's cool with you guys. Does that work?
[0:14:35] Ben @ben_frigon: Let's do it, man.
[0:14:37] Kkoma @itskkoma: Bye. Also, feel free to contribute to these conversations, Ben and Mike. It's... That's kinda the the gist of, like, how we do the vibe here. It's like we... We'd love to hear your guys' opinions about not just Talos, but just crypto in general. I've I've listened to a couple of your interviews, so I know you guys know your stuff. So always good to get your input on on these kinds of things.
[0:14:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. Yes.
[0:14:57] Mike Hanono @0xgmike: Please. Let's get into it.
[0:14:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Love it. Love it. Love it. Let me say what's up to Samar. Samar, what's good, bro? How are you?
[0:15:04] Samara @thee_samara: Yo. Jim, Jim, Dave, Jim, cool. Jim, Nat, Nat, Monica, Coma. Shout out to you guys, man. Yeah. I'm just here right now. It's late, so I'm just in bed. I have some bad news. I don't know if it's a bad bad news or good news, but I don't know if it's... I know it's... This is raised at 18. I I just realized my girlfriend is bisexual today. So, you know, Two girlfriends, fortunately. Unfortunately, two mouths to feet, so it's weird. I posted an entire
[0:15:28] Ben @ben_frigon: Congratulations, brother. Let's go. Bro.
[0:15:33] Samara @thee_samara: Yeah. I posted a timeline.
[0:15:35] Kool @koolcryptovc: That is a bad news, bro. That's bad news.
[0:15:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, that's bullish. Let's go. You got Yeah. You you you you got
[0:15:41] Kool @koolcryptovc: you got people in crypto that are are... That haven't had a girlfriend in six years, bro. You're saying... Bro, man,, you you are tripping today, man. You're tripping, man.
[0:15:50] Samara @thee_samara: It it just it just sound of me. Where's the next airdrop, man? Where's marching airdrop? I need... Like, I have to provide for two people.
[0:15:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know what? Samara said, bring the criminals back to crypto? I got two mouths to feed, bro. That's first world problems. I don't wanna hear shit, Samara. Get out of here with that nonsense. That's first world problems. I should've wished I had those problems while we are living in a dungeon. What the hell? This guy's over here lamping it up with two girlfriends. Anyways
[0:16:15] Moni @monitalan: Dave Dave, the senior AI think Samara's a girl.
[0:16:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: It does. Need to be I'm transitioning.
[0:16:23] Samara @thee_samara: I'm transitioning. Yeah. We
[0:16:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: talked about his transition yesterday. Forget BBLs for his... Now you gotta pay for three BBLs, Yours and the two girlfriends? Oh, bro. You're screwed. I hope that limit... Wait. Tamara, did you eat on limitless, by the way?
[0:16:37] Samara @thee_samara: No. I I didn't participate in limitless. But, yeah, congrats to everyone, man. Like... And they did, like, like, a surprise airdrop, apparently. So, yeah, jam jam to you guys and just, you know, shout out to you guys. So, yeah, a lot of people made a lot of money from Limitless. So, yeah, congrats. Congrats.
[0:16:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It's gonna be interesting to see where this goes. Good shit, Samar. And, Colma, real quick. Welcome, bro. Thank you, obviously, for the input and, obviously, getting these guys involved. But how do we do on Turtle? You, Monica, like, what's the deal? Turtle Turtle TGE today too. Right?
[0:17:05] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yes, sir. Turtle did TGE. I did not sell because they have the very interesting vesting schedule where if you claim it, you lose it. You lose the vesting essentially. I don't know if I love this idea, but it's an interesting gamification where basically whatever people decide to burn or I guess forfeit, it goes into season two. So apparently about 1% of supply or, like, got got got forfeited. So I'm just chilling right now. We'll see how it goes. If if price goes up and it's tempting enough, I will. But if not, then, yeah, you... I'll just keep talking about turtle and and whatnot. But it... This was a this was a double dip for me personally because I was a big fan of Katana anyways. And Katana led me to Turtle and, like, essentially, I... Like, I was putting my money into vaults, but why not just put it through Turtle, talk about Turtle and Katana and Lombard and all these other things. And, it it was a nice side quest and a very fat side quest. So, yeah, I'm pretty happy about it one way. Let's go, bro. Congrats.
[0:18:08] Mike Hanono @0xgmike: I can jump your math. Like, I... I've seen a lot of thought about similar airdrops where, you know, you lose your vesting by claiming early. What's the general take on that? Is it something that you say, I'll just, like, take the money now, or it's something that you would just leave for a longer time. Depends on conviction of the project. How does it work in your minds?
[0:18:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's a good question.
[0:18:30] Kkoma @itskkoma: On... I think it just depends on... I call it, like, Stockholm syndrome in a way, but I know it's not. But it's like when you're, like, overly committed in a project, sometimes you're, like, you end up talk... Like, staying a little bit longer. But if it's a, like, a quick in and out kinda thing, then maybe you're more inclined to sell. I noticed that the bigger the airdrop, the harder it is for me to personally just, like, full port sell. Maybe it's because I've talked about it long enough. But I don't know. I... Maybe I gotta do some... I gotta do something similar to cool where it's just, like, basically, you leave a moon bag. But this one's a little different because I'm... I haven't seen one where it's, you essentially forfeit it. Like, they usually give you, like, 50% and then the other 50% vest, so you still, like, stay somewhat, like, in the community and then you kinda become even bigger, like, believers or whatever. But, yeah, I I don't know. I don't... This is the first time I've seen the whole forfeit 30% or whatever. Yeah.
[0:19:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's kind of a good question. Cool. I'm curious. Cool. What do you what do you think? Right? Because, I mean, I'm gonna keep my aligner shield until after everybody's done. You know what I mean? But but when when you look at this cool... Like, and what Coma said is interesting because Coma, you're so into Infofy. You put in so much time that, like, you're actually attached now. It's almost like collect... When I see, like, the Vivi family, they're collectibles. They're like, I can't sell. And I'm like, this is up three... You just spent $7 on a comic book. It's $2,000. At what point do you sell? You wanna die with this digital piece of whatever? Like, what are we doing out here? Cool. What's your take on this? I I I mean, it's
[0:20:04] Kool @koolcryptovc: it's, it depends. I'm not gonna lie. It depends. I I think it's probably better for people to to get their 400%, tokens on day one. Vesting could be good, and it could be bad because if it's... If the protocol comes out and you'll vest at 50%, okay. Cool. But what if the market tanks? Remember, you know, our tokens are all dependent on what Bitcoin does. If Bitcoin decides to take a shit, it's game over. Bitcoin goes to 90 k, it's game over for a lot of newly newly launched tokens, man. And, of course, we love the new projects, man, because they have the the best ROI. But I I I guess it all depends because for me, personally, I've been in crypto for a long time. I have a strategy. I I stick to it regardless if it plays out good. If it doesn't good, I think it's a good thing to to do what what work for you. I'll never tell people to to sell or not sell, but I rather get my 100% TG on day one just just because I get to make make the choice. But sometimes sometimes it does benefit you to have a token locked, because sometimes your locked tokens got doing a 20 x locks, and you could sell when you turn 20 x. So it... Sometimes it it works for you, but like I said, it... It's it's it's a hard it's a hard choice to make. I think have this strategy. Sometimes it's good to leave a moon back, sometimes sell it all. I don't know. I don't know, man. Bro, the crypto, you can't predict this stuff, man. So you just do what's best for you, and just live with the choices you make.
[0:21:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bingo. Yeah. It's kinda... Samara's like, hell no. Samara, you... We we really gonna bring up Avanthus right now, bro?
[0:21:52] Samara @thee_samara: Bro, bro. No. No. No, bro. I knew you were gonna bring that up. But, yeah, shout out to all the Jeets in the house. Yeah. Shout out to you guys. And, yeah, I think, like, it just depends on on the project themselves. Like, I think, like, take Caldera for example. People who... Like, Caldera gave, like, 50% to... On on on the... On TG day, and then the rest was, like, vested. So they're... They just... They had, like, the unlock, like, yesterday or something. And people who had, like like, nine k or 10, they... I think they were able to, like, take out, like, two k now. You feel me? Imagine you took, like, a $10,000 going all the way down to 2 k. It's just weird. It does depends on the project and depends on the time in the market. If it's in a bullish, like, period and, like, market keeps going crazy for the next couple of months until the next unlock, yeah, good. But what happens when, let's say, like, the market goes to shit before you can even, like, sell the rest? It's just like... It's just... I'd prefer giving the people 100% and then giving them an option to, you know, stake or, you know, do whatever they want with it. Don't just, like, impose this four feature on them, and then it's just weird. For real, it's just weird. When... Whenever a project does that, it's just weird for me. But, yeah, Avantis, like, you know, they give us options, you know, claim 100%. I for, like, 14 k when I could have made 40. It still hurts, but, you know, profit's profit, I guess. So... Yeah, man.
[0:23:10] Kkoma @itskkoma: Just to clarify on the Turtle one, it's, like, it's linear vesting. So, basically, you can only claim once, but as it's vesting, you could technically just click that button. So it goes from, like, 29, 28, 27. So, eventually, like, you could make that decision to kinda, like, go out. So I guess the real question is, like, why don't you just go out right now? Maybe, you know, like, they could pull out, like, a Samara crime of some sort, you know, like, use some market maker to push it back up. You know? Like, not be Samara, basically.
[0:23:39] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: My knee with crime, bro.
[0:23:40] Samara @thee_samara: Like, bro, like, the whole time line has come, like, associated my knee with crying, bro. I said I support certain criminals, not all criminals. You feel me? But, yeah, the linear vest is kinda weird because for most of us who participated in GMRX back then, like, the the... As the as the weeks went by, the token just kept tanking. You feel me? People who made, like, 30 k back then, like, two months after the token were, like, I think, $11,000 or so. So the linear investment is kinda weird because, you know... Yeah. Because it's... Yeah. Like, I I just don't like the whole concept of investing, for real, for real. It... I've really seen some weird stuff in this space, bro.
[0:24:18] NatNat @Natnatx007: They are FBI, NCIA. If you're listening, Tamar, it's totally kidding. We're not bringing the criminals in.
[0:24:25] Samara @thee_samara: I'm kidding, guys. I'm totally for
[0:24:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: for real. Okay. So thank you for the tee up. You guys know what fixes this? Liners fixes this. When you tokenize Oh Simmer down. Simmer down. When you tokenize a vesting schedule, okay, and let it drip out in real time seconds, but also the NFT is tradable on secondary markets, premium or discount, at least you can get liquid. You know what else is pretty freaking cool? If you can actually split and merge your vesting schedule. Sounds like a game changer to me. Like, Red Wick? What? We don't touch spot markets. We just trade NFTs on secondaries? I just made the hand to forehead so you guys know exactly what that is.
[0:25:12] Samara @thee_samara: That's a Yeah.
[0:25:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: --.
[0:25:14] Samara @thee_samara: Have you told everyone?
[0:25:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my. I hate I hate you,.
[0:25:19] Samara @thee_samara: Yo. Yeah. Dave Dave said he's gonna share his aligners allocation with everyone on social
[0:25:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: media. Nothing like that. I said nothing
[0:25:25] Kool @koolcryptovc: like Let's go. Let's go. Yeah.
[0:25:28] Kkoma @itskkoma: It's a tokenized allocation. I love this for the ATC community. I'll... You know?
[0:25:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: Dave says Dave says to tell everybody, Dave is not here for you.
[0:25:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hate all. Yo, Mike, Ben, you see what you see what these fools put me through? But let me ask you guys, like, when you're when you're actually thinking about this, because, obviously, like, as founders and ninja, wanna ask you right after. Like, when you're looking at stuff like this, like, what do you think? Like like, how do you look at this? Avantis was different. Right? Like, we got... They told us, hey. If you just hold off for a little bit, just hold off for, like, eighteen hours, we'll give you, 35% more. And we were like, alright. That's cool. And look how that worked out. Right? Like, that was a straight cook. Granted, the perp meta was kind of, like, perfect timing as well. But what do you... Ben, what do you think? Like like, what... Like, to the question Mike asked. Like, do do you agree? Like like, how, like, how do you guys think this should be structured?
[0:26:18] Ben @ben_frigon: The... This makes me think of... Do you remember when the memes were going crazy last year and Dave Portnoy? You guys all know who Dave Portnoy is? Got
[0:26:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: in the
[0:26:25] Ben @ben_frigon: meme trading. And somebody created a Dave token, and it ran a 150 mil and airdropped him a bunch of it. And he was like, I'm gonna hold this to a bill like nobody sell. And it was just like every other meme coin where it... You know, at the time memes were on Solana were running to a 100, a 150 consistently. And it literally rugged to 20 and then zero. And he he he... Like, it was interesting to see somebody who is not crypto native, like, is prob... Like, probably looked at this industry and is like, what the hell is this industry? Like, this is crazy. And he he did a stream and he was like, you crypto bros are the worst. Like, I told you guys. I told you guys. This is my coin. Like, I have, like, 50% of supply. I told you guys that I would not sell, and you guys still dumped on each other's heads. Like, you could have let this run. You could have let this run. This is when, like, go... The... Like, memes were legitimately running to a bill at the time. Like, goat that... Which was an AI meme and, like, you know, could... Like like, WIFF WIFF was ripping past two bill at this time. Like, they were... He was legitimately, like, I cannot believe you guys. I told you specifically, I will hold this and run this to a bill. And you... And and you guys still dumped on each other. So I... Like, that's just the the the state that we're in. Like, the turnover is a lot faster. People's attention cycle is, like, is so, so short now. And so, you know, like, the the the... You you have to structure things more, more sustainably. Okay? So, like, for for all the hate that, like, Solana gets and, like, Pump gets and and, or Believe is a good example of this. Like, Believe is super hated on on Solana. But the... We're working out new structures that make tokens more, sustainable. So on PumpNow and on Believe, the the majority of creator revenue comes from rev share, you know, comes from, like, token trading fees. And the... This, I I think, is beneficial for creators and for incentivizing creators because you know that if you're aping a token, the create... The dev is not gonna rug you. Right? Because he has an incentive to let the token run and let volume moving. Prediction markets are kind of the same way. Like, Tarek, who's the founder of CallShee, did a a panel at some big conference recently where he talked about, when they went to court and, to to get CallSheet approved for all the CFTC stuff, they they they went to court and he was, the the case that they made of why CallSheet is not a casino or why a prediction market is not a casino. And he he said, you know, like, technically, a casino is like an order book. Know, and they're the singular market maker for that market making for that book and... But the way that it's set up is that they're the counterparty. Like, they only make money when people lose. This is why casinos exist. You know, this is why,
[0:29:21] Ben @ben_frigon: know, like, all of Las Vegas exists. It's because the way a sports book makes money, way a a casino, you know, that's got the poker table and the slots and everything, the way that it makes money is when other people lose. You know? And the... Our our goal in this industry as builders and as people, you know, aping tokens, like people investing, should be to try to invest in stuff, commit to building stuff, dedicate resources to a system that is more positive sum. Okay? That should be the goal. That's how you make something more sustainable, where instead of having one winner that gets everybody else screwed, you you know, like everybody else loses money, maybe you have a system where, you know, there's still opportunities for a 100 x, but not everybody just takes a bath when this position nukes or or, like, you know, when when this market resolves. That's how I'm thinking about this for for Talison just as a crypto user, like, somebody in Web three in general. Like, I wanna see products built that are much more sustainable.
[0:30:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Sounds like Ben is shilling my Zoran Mamdani bags right now. Maybe a little bit... Just enough for everybody. Thank you, Ben.
[0:30:31] Ben @ben_frigon: What what did you get in at?
[0:30:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think it was, like, four zeros and a one or one five or something like that. Oh, yeah. Communist. You know what I'm saying? Right? Elections are on the corner. This is what it is. No. But, Ben, great take. Listen. I'm I'm with you. Ninja, I would love to kinda get your take on this. People might not wanna hear what Ninja has to say.
[0:30:52] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Yeah. I was gonna say, I I don't think I I don't think many are gonna like what I say around this.
[0:30:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: Keep it realist, man. Go for
[0:31:01] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: keep it... Yeah. I'm a realist, man. I keep it frank. I mean, honestly... And I just forgot. I forgot what was gonna say. What was the exact question you asked?
[0:31:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: So, essentially, like, when we when we look at, like, how do we think, like, these things should be structured, right, on TGE where Yep. Yep. Yeah.
[0:31:19] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Okay. Yeah. So so I think there's... You know, having been in the space, having come from a world where, you know, people do things more seriously than this space, I think it comes down to a bit to what Ben mentioned. Right? It depends on the outlook of the project and the team. And and I've kind of wrote about this. I mean, I wrote a post about this earlier today so anyone can can see that I... You know, where I said Infofy is dead. And I think it... It's a huge factor that a lot of people in this space aren't considering and factoring in. Right? For a lot of these info five platforms and when it comes to TGE and that sort of thing, I mean, like, let's take, for example, Limitless. Right? There was a good good TGE for those people that were on watching. Right? But now let's take a look at how it's gonna look tomorrow. How's the platform gonna look like and work like tomorrow? Not today on TGE. On TGE, everything's always hyped, and there's, you know, there's good and bad news flowing everywhere. You know, no matter how you how you take it. Not not everyone's gonna be happy. Right? But the the... What it comes down to is if a project is looking at TGE soon and how they structure it, how they structure, I think, tells a lot about what their intentions are. And leading up to TGE, it also tells what their intentions are. If they're caring about their product, they're making sure their product works. They're making sure people can use their product, you know, and that sort of thing. So at the end of the day, once TGE happens, most products and most projects die. They die there. No one cares about them anymore. No one uses them anymore because all the hype was driven around TGE, not the project, not the product, and then the use case dies. Now, yeah, they had a great a great TGE forty eight hours, but what about in a month or two from now? Now they gotta fight an uphill battle where they could have been doing that in tandem prior to TGE to retain valuable and real users in conjunction with TGE. I mean, look look at hype. Right? They... How long were they building a community for before they did anything? That's a perfect example. No one's doing it. We're still just doing max extraction, full TGE, whoever gets the most money, and then move on.
[0:33:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Great point.
[0:33:43] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Some of you might like it, but it's the truth.
[0:33:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Look. I agree with you. And this is coming from someone like you've developed, like, some pretty, like, impactful projects in the crypto space, right, and have launched a token with some. And I know, like, you've been adamant about, like, specifically with Tater, like, we are not launching a token with this. Like, no. Like, it's not going to happen. And I think, like, that in and of itself shows, like, look, we learned our lesson. Like, we kinda went through it. And now, like, we we we see the other side. We want to just build a great product that we can onboard people to because otherwise... And you've told me this is just specific. I don't want the word in your mouth, but, like, you're then beholden to your token price, and that shouldn't be the way.
[0:34:25] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Yep. Exactly. I mean, look look at every project in the space that has a token. Who are they talking about? The token or the product? I mean, that that should say more than more than anything.
[0:34:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: Facts. There you go. Great take, Ninja. Yeah. Moni, go for it. Thanks, Ninja.
[0:34:40] Moni @monitalan: I think that's the other question that I have for all the yappers here. Like, I'm very selective. It may not look like it sometimes, but I am very selective on what projects I work on or write content about. Because my fear is if I promote a project that then completely, like, rugs people, I'm gonna feel responsible. Right? So I'm super careful. I also... Like, there's so much you can do. I'm not Koma. I can't do 20,000 projects at the same time. But I but I also do look. I think what, Ninja, you're saying, it's so important. I look at the technology. I look the... Do I like the project? Do I like the technology? Do I like the team? What's the history? So I just don't jump in blind, and I think that's important. But I don't know what you guys think. I mean, it's amplifying madness right now.
[0:35:33] Kkoma @itskkoma: Are you implying I just jumped in blind?
[0:35:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. No. No. I do talk about analysis now, so it's just very awkward. No. No. I mean, you... But you can
[0:35:43] Samara @thee_samara: do a...
[0:35:43] Moni @monitalan: What I mean is you can do a lot more. Like, you have... I don't know how you do it. You can do a lot more projects. So for me, it's a one time that, like, I can't do what you do, but two, like, is it a real project? But, no, I don't mean that. Stop
[0:35:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: making me feel bad. Hey, LJ.
[0:36:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: We didn't even remember about
[0:36:02] Kkoma @itskkoma: the last ship posting too. But... Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead and do that. My bad.
[0:36:05] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Who? No. Yeah. I was I was just gonna say... And and, Mark, don't don't feel bad for this. And I I don't think it's like... For example, like, my take is not, like, anything towards, like, you know, p... Like, people that yap and get on those things. Like, hey. This is what we created, though. Not you guys specifically. Right? It's what projects and these InflowFly platforms have created. Right? They created this narrative where... Kind of if you think about it. Right? Like, let's say you get a bunch of spam emails or marketing emails. Like, no one really even looks at them anymore because you just get inundated with them so much. Right? And I think that's more of a byproduct of the platforms in the space where we've made it so focused on this versus, you know, incentivizing real usage and real takes on things. Right? Where you might use a product more and talk about it more if the incentivization was there for that versus, hey. Just PVP each other until, you know, until everybody is... Gets a couple bucks, but, you know, the product... The platforms themselves, which charge a, you know, a crap ton of money themselves on top of the projects, make all the money. Right? You guys did all the work for them, and you guys... Everybody's getting peanuts for it. Right? It's just a machine of constant stuff. And if if you kinda take a step back and look at it, the hours spent on these platforms in relation to what you get at the end of it, you know, like, are you making anything worth the time spent? You know, I don't know because I don't do it, but, I mean, I'm just kinda throwing that out there, like, for people to take a step back. Like, are are you making enough to make worth the time spent doing that? Right? Because then then, you know, as you say, time is money. Can your time be better spent doing something else where you'll actually gain that value back, you know, tenfold?
[0:37:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ninja, you know what I'm gonna do? Like, if I don't make this money if I don't make this money that Aligners is telling me I'm gonna make, bro, The FUD campaign's gonna start, and then I'm gonna waste two months FUDing the actual project because I didn't get the money that they promised me. So I'm gonna waste a ton of time out here. Oh my god. Yeah. Good points, Ninja. Good stuff. Wait. Wait. Wait.
[0:38:16] Ben @ben_frigon: There's a... Have you guys heard of Nash equilibrium? This is kind of a complicated concept in economics, but
[0:38:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Guys, we know real quick.
[0:38:24] NatNat @Natnatx007: Real quick. LJ, can you check your DM speed? It's a little urgent. Yeah. Great conversation. Conversation. I know I agree.
[0:38:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Did you just... Yeah. Yeah. Did you just... Yeah. Yeah.
[0:38:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: I got that from you. I got that from you. I agree with with Ninja Dev. Like, I think his perspective is is very important. And and if anyone's, you know, launching a project and thinking about launching a token, I think what he said, we should note it.
[0:38:49] Kkoma @itskkoma: Good stuff.
[0:38:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Sorry, guys. Ben, you bet it's still loud. So... Sorry. Well, what's master... What did you say? What was it called?
[0:38:57] Ben @ben_frigon: So I I I talked about the... In in game theory, there's this concept of, like, a zero sum game, which is where there's a winner and a loser. And then there's a negative sum game where the total losses outweigh the total gains at the conclusion of the game. And then there's a positive sum game, which is where the the total gain... Gains outweigh the total losses. Okay? So there... There's this concept of, Nash equilibrium, which is when you're you're in a game where any singular player by by unilaterally changing their strategy, does not improve their outcome. And we're getting very close to that in crypto where if you have everyone acting for their own self interests and, you you know, basically, like, trying to extract, then the whole thing falls apart and it reverts to a negative sum game. So this is like... The the... An example of this would be like, the the... At the height of the meme coin craze, you were having hundreds of millions of dollars drained, off chain. Like, the money... The the, you know, the the revenue that was going to pump fund would go... You know, would be taken out of DeFi, like, taken out of the ecosystem. And so now we're shifting... We're we're we're slowly shifting to this as an industry, but shifting to something that's more positive sum. Right? Where, you know, there are still winners and losers in the short term, but the end result is that value is created and not destroyed in crypto. That in in this system, there's more value at the conclusion of these games in the long run than there is in the short run. So that should be our goal as builders is to create these positive sum games. That's what I mean by being more sustainable.
[0:40:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like it. Ben, somebody in the comments...
[0:40:40] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I like this guy.
[0:40:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Sorry. Yeah. I like this guy. Somebody... Ben, somebody in the comments... I don't know, bro. You never know who's listening. Jules, Jailstool Grind just wrote, tomorrow might be an interesting day for Jailstool. Random. How? Why why is tomorrow gonna be interesting?
[0:40:57] Ben @ben_frigon: Bro, is this is this space about the CTO, the Dave Portnoy token? That's crazy. That'd be crazy if you guys
[0:41:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: did that. Yeah. Chill, we are not touching the Dave Portnoy token. Hell no. We already had the Yeezy Thompson. Yeah. Exact... Yeah. Oh, yo. Chill out, Coleman. Did you say Dave for a reason? This this guy's crazy.
[0:41:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Good stuff. Had a... Actually, I
[0:41:19] Kkoma @itskkoma: had a thought about this, Dave. One one small thought. Like, I I I do understand, like, oh, yeah. You know, people are looking out for themselves and all of that stuff, but it always feels like there's, like, some shame upon, like, these Infofy creators for, like, selling or whatever. But if you think about it, it's, like, 1% distributed amongst, like, thousands and thousands of people. Right? Like, if anything, we're not... Like, that shouldn't be affecting the overall price token. It's it's probably the the people with the huge ass bags, like the investors that got in at, like, the micro pennies that are, like, you know what, taking profits at the end of the day. So, like, sure, you could public shame some certain creators or whatever. But, like, really, if it's making... If that's making a dent in your price, then I think you're need to take a step back and really evaluate who the hell is actually selling. Right? So that's just my 2¢ about, you know, like, the overall, like, market impact if creators sell, like, 1% of the whole 99% pile. Like, it's... Yeah. It's dumb.
[0:42:23] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah.
[0:42:23] Kkoma @itskkoma: Thank you.
[0:42:24] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Quick way to justify your positions there, Colma. That sounded really good.
[0:42:30] Kkoma @itskkoma: Myself. What are you talking about? Can't I don't wanna destroy the price. That's the problem. Yeah.
[0:42:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Cool. Yeah. It's true. Uh-huh. Yeah. We can start this madness. I don't wanna destroy the price. All of a sudden, Robinhood over here. Can we also talk about one... Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead, Samar, and then and then I I wanna make this... What was one other point.
[0:42:48] Samara @thee_samara: Yeah. It was basically them blaming the edge of people. We're innocent guys. Like, they always blame the edge of guys, like, for those 0.5% of the total supply that's been... Bro, like, we're always innocent. Like, bro, we're we're the ones we even hold the token hoping that it's gonna 10x. You feel me? Like, it's not our fault. You know, it's not our fault. We're not the ones nuking the price for for real. Like, I've heard this, like, months and years back. Always the airdrop guys. But, bro, like, I can't take it anymore, bro. Like, we... Our our percentage is highly highly, like... I don't know the words you will use. It doesn't make a dent in the in the grand scheme of things. You feel me? It's all the investors we had the 20% supply who always sell before anyone can even claim. And then they blame they blame the edge of guys. Even like a stablecoin that launched recently is rugged, and no AirDrop was given after they they shat on the whole AirDrop guys. Bro, it's not us. It's it's never been us. You feel me? It's never been us.
[0:43:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait wait a minute. Just the final position tomorrow.
[0:43:46] NatNat @Natnatx007: Not the stablecoin becoming unstable.
[0:43:49] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Do you mean you? Exactly.
[0:43:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: What do you mean you people? What do you mean us people?
[0:43:54] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. What do you mean us? What do you mean us? What do mean there?
[0:43:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: What does that mean? Us people. Woah. Wow. Wow. I'm not even... I'm
[0:44:03] MetaBeast @AKCMetaBeast: Are you a people? Yeah. Are are you a people, and are you you? Are you not you people?
[0:44:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: We are you people. We are definitely you people. But, look, it's a good question. I I mean, I don't know who... Do you know who we're say did it right is the one whose token price is gonna run. And good luck trying to explain why Avantis ran. I don't know. Like, short squeeze, bro, perp meta, baseball. Take your pick. I have no idea. I know. I know this. You... Of course, you... Go ahead. Uh-huh. Well, I'm sorry.
[0:44:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: Because the thermometer on the perforator. Right?
[0:44:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exactly. Continuum transfunctioner on the t and a That's insane. That was a good one, man. That was a good one.
[0:44:47] Kkoma @itskkoma: I thought she was gonna say something about the liquidity on the buy side and the sell side
[0:44:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: and the buy side. The liquidity was building up at this level and that level, the head and shoulders.
[0:44:56] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Yeah. Yeah. The everlasting golf stopper level. Yeah.
[0:45:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
[0:45:03] Kkoma @itskkoma: All of that. Ridiculous.
[0:45:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I mean, we're making so much money making Bitcoin, and we'll be
[0:45:07] NatNat @Natnatx007: making We'll be
[0:45:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: making it. We'll be making Anyways, no. Listen. It's a good question. I don't know how it's gonna work out, but aligners, aligners, aligners. That's all I'm gonna say. That's what we're gonna close with. Okay. Now let... Can we talk about $38,000,000,000,000 US national debt? Nat, I saw you put in the chat today that prediction markets actually work. The government shutdown is continuing. What? Uh-huh.
[0:45:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: It worked for the... They were right on this section regarding the government shutdown because, remember, we
[0:45:46] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: covered Are you covering the sports prediction? Or what are you covering the
[0:45:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: So we we covered a story in which the... Kauji was predicting the second longest government shutdown, and we're currently in the second longest government shutdown. So on this story, currently, that part is accurate.
[0:46:06] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: US What was the what was the payout, Dave?
[0:46:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I think... I don't know. But if if it's anything according to... Let me tell you. Let me... Nat and Lindy need to stick to Bitcoin and get away from prediction markets because they cost you a ton of money, bro. Every time they're like, I don't think it's gonna be a... No. I don't think it's gonna be 50 bit. It could be nothing, or it could be 50 basis points. And, actually, day off, it's like, I told you 25 basis points, and it's like, no. You did not say that. I literally Wait.
[0:46:31] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Wait. Wait. Wait. So side. So you're saying when... Remember back, I don't know. Was it last week when I was like, hey. There's these three rate cuts, and I was like, I can get a four x on my money. Right? And because on the the prediction, they're like, nah. That'll never happen. So now you're saying there's a chance. That's that's what I'm hearing.
[0:46:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Exactly. Thank you, gamer. Thank you, gamer. Thank you.
[0:46:54] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I was about to... Man. That's a four x. I just
[0:46:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: See? Yeah. I remember I brought... I remember sitting on my stoop when you were saying it. You were like, a thousand bucks? And I could do this. And I'm like, gamer, you don't even need to. It does... This... It doesn't even need to settle for you to even double your money. I remember the convo, bro, and my memory is like a goldfish out here. So what does that tell you? I'm scarred. Landy and Monica. Landy and Nana scarred the hell out of me money. I'm sorry. Is
[0:47:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: it because we're both Hispanic, David?
[0:47:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is it because I'm working you people. Oh.
[0:47:29] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: What happened there, Dave?
[0:47:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: So... Okay. Let's talk about the national debt now. $38,000,000,000,000. You guys... We talked about this lightly the other day where repricing of gold, by the US government, crypto. I mean, this thing just... I mean, I'm looking at this chart. It's abs... It's absurd. From 1994, it's literally just been hockey stick up. Like, it doesn't stop. $38,000,000,000,000. How does this get done? Do we think that Bitcoin is the thing? And before you answer, I'll have you note that Tucker Carlson came out today and said he will not be investing in Bitcoin because he is of the belief that the CIA created Bitcoin. I don't know. Listen. Well, politics aside, I think Tucker Carlson's an honest dude, but for whatever that's worth, I watched Tucker. I listened to his interviews. I think my man has tapped the f in. If he's saying the CIA created Satoshi's the CIA, I don't know. But we we... We've heard this before. I've heard this, like, at least 10, 15 times, man. So they could they could be so true to this, man. It's possible, but who who the hell knows, man?
[0:48:35] Kool @koolcryptovc: I I don't know. I mean... But the question is where are you gonna go with your money? And I think if if they... If they are saying bit... Bitcoin is gonna flip gold someday, you you have the best ROI, right, for big money bags. I think you can go... You go buy gold. Gold is already, bought, what, 20,000,000,000,000 or 10,000,000,000,000, and that's pretty heavy. Right? Where else you gonna go? You could buy you could buy homes. I mean, that cost a lot a lot more money than it used to be. I... You don't have that many choices. You You can go play all coin game, very, very risky. Right? For sure. But, like, where are gonna go? Are you... There's not that many place to go right now than the the the, you know, Bitcoin crypto. I guess I guess you could do houses. I guess that's cool too or gold or silver. But is it possible they created the the the Bitcoin? It's very possible. Mean, like I said, he's very plugged in. I mean, he's... I think his dad's... His dad was an ex spy or some shit like that, I think. But he's probably correct. I've heard this stuff so many times already. It's very, possible. So... Yeah.
[0:49:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nat, what... I'm I'm very interested to hear your attention. Give us a quick rundown as to kinda, like, what you were seeing today on Bitcoin and kinda just general market also.
[0:49:52] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yes. I concur with everything Cool said. I was on this space earlier with the team that shall not be amazing. And we we were talking about this exact thing. Right? And then what... It... Because the ROI... The potential ROI on Bitcoin is so massive, it is the reason why we're seeing countries and these big hedge fund companies investing billions and billions of dollars into Bitcoin. Right? And no one... No country is going to invest this... That amount of money into Bitcoin if there wasn't a massive ROI attached to it. And, yes, if Bitcoin does catch
[0:50:29] Kool @koolcryptovc: up
[0:50:29] NatNat @Natnatx007: to gold or even... Or outrun gold like it did a few years ago, we're looking at a double or tripling of the Bitcoin price. But with regards to the CIA, like I said, you know what? I... You know, we on this before. I mean,.
[0:50:46] NatNat @Natnatx007: With regards to, the Bitcoin price itself as as how it stands right now, a few... Was it yesterday or the day before yesterday, we mentioned that we were looking at certain levels because of the short term volatility. Right? One of the big pockets that we were looking at is in between that one fourteen to one sixteen area. If it got above that one fourteen to one sixteen area, we're looking at the pocket, above around one eighteen, and it got to one fourteen and rejected. And now we're sitting lower. There is a lot of self pressure within Bitcoin at the moment, and, obviously, what's going on, with the global economy doesn't help. Right? These tariff news and, every... The back and forth of these countries, it doesn't do the overall economy or the overall market any good. So as it stands right now, Bitcoin is at a very interesting zone, right, a break below this current level, then we're looking at $10.02, $10.03, possibly maybe down to, like, 90 k. But if we if we are... If we're able to bounce here, then we're looking to reclaim and retest that pocket once more. If it does reject that pocket again, guys, then definitely we need to be open to Bitcoin, going below 100 and sitting there for for for some time. I was I was talking I was talking to Leslie. Yeah. I don't know. I was talking to Leslie about this earlier, and that's the reason why our... We're hedged at this particular price. Right? Because it can literally go either way. But who knows? We just And
[0:52:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: you know
[0:52:11] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: what that means. Right, Dave?
[0:52:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: We You know what
[0:52:13] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: that mean? If Bitcoin goes that low, you know what happens to everything else. Right?
[0:52:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Right. No alt season. Mhmm. So the... Well, that's why Cole said, and I and I agree with with his statement.
[0:52:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: He said that maybe at some point, we should table the the alt season conversation because it's... I mean, is alt season in the room with us, guys? Is alt season in the room?
[0:52:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: All season is here with us. Because you're not gonna have
[0:52:35] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: all season if Bitcoin is collapsing. That's just not gonna happen. But but but there is hope. There is hope. There is hope. It's not all, you know, bear talk. So if we look at the weekly on goal...
[0:52:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, gamer, I wasn't done yet. Hold on.
[0:52:51] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Oh oh, oh, my bad. My bad. Go ahead. Go ahead, Matt. Take it away, Matt.
[0:52:54] NatNat @Natnatx007: Okay. I will hand the mic with you. I'm I'm also done. So like Alpha was saying, it's not all doom and gloom because if we do bounce on this level, we can potentially reclaim previous levels or maybe even higher. Right? So we need to keep these certain levels in mind. Again, that is why we're ahead because it can literally go either way. Go ahead, Afongamer. Your turn.
[0:53:18] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So the... There is a... There is something outside of crypto that I am also keeping an eye on, and it's the gold level. Meaning that in in technical terms, there's this thing called a tweezer top. And, yes, that is an actual,
[0:53:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Here we go.
[0:53:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: It is. It is. It actually is.
[0:53:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. It is. That is what it's called. Yeah.
[0:53:41] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Tweezer top. And it's on the weekly. So whenever I see this formation of candles on the weekly, very high probability that it... That it's gonna hit. And, basically, what it means is gold hit a top, you know, and that's why it's been falling today. So that's good for Bitcoin. Why? Because of the the lag from gold to Bitcoin. So gold always runs ahead of Bitcoin. So it made its run. Right? And now people are pulling profits, and they're gonna rotate. Right? Because now gold is, you know, overbought on all indicators. Right? Like, you know, like I said, even on the weekly, it's overbought big time. So I wouldn't be surprised to see... You know, it won't be all of them, but there will be, you know, quite a few people that are in profits here rotating. You know? Because because, again, look at the market cap of gold. I mean, it's in the trillions. Right? So even if a little bit of that, you know, couple... You know, with a 20,000,000,000,000, it it doesn't take very much. Right? Even if, like, 1%, 2%, small fraction of that rotates and goes into Bitcoin, that's gonna be a lot of money that comes rotating in. So that's kind of the thing that I've been hearing in in the other spaces and group chats that I'm in is people are actually have that trading pair of, you know, Bitcoin versus gold and and, you know, versus DXY versus... You know, we're kinda tracking all this movement because we're trying to see, okay, when are they gonna start rotating? Right? When when are they gonna start pulling profits? And then we're gonna start... And and what you gotta keep an eye on is the volume. So once you start seeing the volume start spiking up, that's gonna be like the o. So so, basically, what, like, if Nat... What Nat Nat is saying is true and, you know, these levels hold, and then let's say, you know, not only do they hold, but now we start seeing volume start flooding in, that's gonna push everything up. So that's the... I'm just throwing out that, you know, that little piece of hopium, you know, that, you know, if that really does happen and gold's hit the top, they, you know, they are gonna pull profits. They will rotate. The only thing outside of that is, obviously, the whole macro stuff, you know, that's going on, you know, macro wise, which is, you know, just not good. Right? Like, macro wise, it's just, you know, the whole Ukraine, Russia, you know, the whole... That kind of stuff, obviously not good. But, you know, e... Even the government shutdown and all that, not good. You know, there... So there's a bunch of macro stuff that's outside of crypto and and the markets, right, that that they do influence, you know, investors. Because the number one thing that investors don't like is uncertainty. So, you know, the more uncertain the markets are, the more volatility, the more swings. And until we see, you know, a lot of these macro events come to a close, that will bring more certainty back in the market, and then people will be more willing to take risk and throw their money or take their money off the sideline and and, you know, risk on.
[0:56:56] NatNat @Natnatx007: I agree 100% with that, Tegan. And one thing to add. Right? Because usually when we talk about Bitcoin going below 100 k, everyone gets, like, sad or, like, upset. Like, Bitcoin is never going... For me, it's a blessing to have Bitcoin under 100 k, maybe even k... Even 80 k. Right? Because that, for me, signals a buying opportunity a buying opportunity.
[0:57:17] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: 80 k? Woah. Dave, are you hearing me today?
[0:57:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, bro. I'm a start crying. No. Come on. What are doing?
[0:57:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm I'm talking like worst case scenario. If it does go that way, we all need to be mentally prepared because it'll be a buying opportunity. Everyone's acting like if Bitcoin goes below a 100 k, the world is going to explode, and it's Armageddon, and we're all gonna die.
[0:57:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: It will.
[0:57:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's not how we work. No. It's... No. If it goes if it goes to 1... Below 100 k, you have to look at it as a buying opportunity because guess what? Guess who's gonna be buying around those prices? Right? More money is gonna be pouring in. Volume is gonna be exactly. Billions and billions upon billions are gonna come in at that price because, listen, every... All of these big hedge fund, these countries, as I said, right, they're piling into Bitcoin for a reason. So you think they're going to buy the top and sell the bottom? No way. They're going to continue piling up until they get to big... Bitcoin maximum price.
[0:58:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright.
[0:58:12] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: So when are we gonna change Nat Nat names to Nat bear or bear knot or not not bear?
[0:58:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not even bear. I'm
[0:58:21] Moni @monitalan: not bear and gnat.
[0:58:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm not I'm not bear. I'm not bears at all. My god.... Bear knot. Yeah.
[0:58:26] NatNat @Natnatx007: I like
[0:58:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: that one. I'm just playing with you, dad. I I gotta poke fun. I like that
[0:58:30] NatNat @Natnatx007: bear. About that one? Even though I'm not
[0:58:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: bear Oh.
[0:58:33] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm not bear.
[0:58:34] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: You like that bear?
[0:58:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like that bear. But I'm not bear. Not bear. Alright. Here's what else we got cooking. Good stuff, guys. I love it. Couple more stories, and then we'll get to to Ninjatater. And then, obviously, I wanna I wanna get to the Talos boys so we can hear... And and and Ben, Mike, by the way, I'm I'm in the process. I can still fill out this form and apply to the arena. Right? Like, just real quick without going into something great. I I can still apply. Yeah?
[0:59:00] Mike Hanono @0xgmike: Yeah, man. Go for it. Go for it. We're still in review process for a bunch of other people, so could probably give you a a head start there in the in the queue. Although
[0:59:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hey. Let's go. Alrighty. Oh, Ben.
[0:59:13] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: I did see that a silly futures got listed. Is that is that true? Is that true or is that a rumor?
[0:59:21] Ben @ben_frigon: Sweet sweet futures got listed on what?
[0:59:25] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: On base or Coinbase.
[0:59:27] Ben @ben_frigon: Oh, yeah? Yeah. I don't know what the I don't know what the Coinbase futures volume is, but, yeah, I mean, SWE is everywhere, man. SWE is everywhere.
[0:59:35] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Well, the reason why I bring it up real quick is because of... You know, they they read... Redefined the the rules, right, for the ETFs, meaning that now it's it's simplified version. So... And one of the eligibility rules was you had to have the futures product in the market. So if I'm saying sue... You know, suey futures, then that essentially means, you know, in the next three months, they would be able to, you know, file and have an actual spot ETF. So... Hey.
[1:00:06] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Tell that to the chart, man.
[1:00:07] Ben @ben_frigon: Tell that to the chart.
[1:00:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Go ahead. Yo. So did you guys see also the state of... I love this, Moni. I've read this earlier. This a 16 z state state of of crypto crypto report, that that came out. I I kinda love this because it really shows, where kind of the giant, right, or the giants out here and how they're looking at crypto. There was also some mentions of of AI, but I guess maybe just to kinda... Like, to to to sum it up, they... I mean, the crypto market is growing, and it's growing healthy. It... They say it is growing fast. We are in apparently, like, the right place. They talk about exactly everything we just mentioned. Right? A lot of these financial institutions that are not just kinda exploring crypto. Right? Like, they're, like, putting in real money. They mentioned stablecoins. Obviously, going mainstream is gonna be a monster. You see, you know, stablecoins that are now rivaling, they say, of the, like, quote, largest payment networks in transaction volume. So this stuff is... The the... This stuff is here. It's here to stay. They talk about real world assets. They talk about prediction markets. I mean, I thought it was, like, really, really thorough. Did you guys get a chance to read this? I like this. I like reading through this, and this was from Chris Dixon himself. Monique, please.
[1:01:27] Moni @monitalan: It's one of my favorite reports because I I think it does allow us to step back and see where we are. One of my favorite parts, of course, is where it talks about the new countries that are adopting, right, and are driving adoption. You have Peru, Indonesia, Pakistan, Philippines, Thailand, Argentina, Colombia. So the emerging markets are the kind of the the developing countries. Right? It's where you're seeing the fastest growth. And I think that speaks for the utility part of crypto, which is what I think a lot of us, are focused on. So I thought it was great. Obviously, I knew stablecoins would be a big part of the story and the the charts say it all. So it's it's a great report. If you haven't read it, I recommend it to you guys.
[1:02:11] NatNat @Natnatx007: I did read it. It's actually a great report. Thank god. Landy said, Landy... So I mentioned the possibility of BTC going down to 80
[1:02:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: k, and I got bullied. No. No.
[1:02:19] NatNat @Natnatx007: They bullied me, Landy.
[1:02:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: The puppet puppet, you came late. We are not going back to Bitcoin to 80 k combo. I will politely say hello, Puppet. Of course, you are my regular. Obviously, I love you. We are not going back to Bitcoin 80 k combo. But hello, Lendi. How are you?
[1:02:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hello. Good afternoon. I can't wait for my stablecoins like USDC and USDT to go to, like, $5. It's gonna be great, amazing stuff. I'm gonna put that in my next report about how we're we're we're entering a new world where crypto adoption is gonna be where everything is going. Right? It's like AI adoption, but it's AI adoptions, younger, ganglier, kinda sketchy scammy cousin. And, you know, I... It's it's it's pretty awesome. I'm I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. I... Look. My report's gonna be out, 01/01/2028 when, when a lot of price actions are... No. I'm just kidding. I just wanted to say what's up. Sorry about being late. Had had some some unexpected things coming up today, actually, unfortunately. But I can't miss I can't miss all things crypto. This is where they offer this.
[1:03:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Appreciate you, bro. Michael Sailor... I'll say this on the Bitcoin front. Michael Sailor did come out and say, I'll watch a guru. I saw it. It said Michael Sailor says AI will want Bitcoin. I've been waiting patiently for something AI and Bitcoin related, and there is nothing, Landy. I know you're waiting with me, bro. Like, I want to see something. Right? Genuinely, like, this is the forefront of innovation out here on X, and I've yet to see something. Like, Jack Dorsey, if you're listening, hook us up, bro. Alright? We don't need bitch chat. Bitch chat. Bitch chat.
[1:04:15] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: You don't
[1:04:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: want Jack Dorsey in anything. Wow. Yeah. Wow.
[1:04:19] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's that again. What's it called?
[1:04:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. What's it called, babe? Did you see how he spelled it? He spelled it b I t. Right? C h, and then he puts the at symbol. So when I first read it, I was like, what's he saying? Bitch what? Bitch what? Then I wrote... Then I said, oh, bit chat. I get it. I get it. It's weird.... Funny guy.
[1:04:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: I just had a joke, but I think we're we're past it. Go ahead, Mandy.
[1:04:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Just happened there. Thank god. Thank god. Oh, thank god.
[1:04:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: I was gonna say, look. I I would... You have to understand something about Jack Dorsey. I... If you think that he's trustworthy, understand what he is building in in open, immutable social media network.
[1:05:03] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Right? You can go and you
[1:05:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: can clean up your timelines now. You can hope that people didn't go and archive it. But you say something over there, and someone is gonna be like, yo. Where... What did he say? Where... Where's your bitch at? And and and then you give them the bitch at, and they're gonna see you bitching about something, and it's immutable now. It's not going anywhere. So understand that he's building the most useful surveillance tool for social media, and I'm happy that no one uses it. So go ahead and get on the blockchain. Go over there. Put all of your thoughts right there for everyone to see. It's not going anywhere, and it will be attached to you forevermore.
[1:05:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, thanks, Crystal. Boom. Boom. Oh my god. Guys, I have to... Oh my god. Who am I gonna kick off today? I... Bits of Wealth has to come up, man. Metavision, I love you, but you don't speak, I'll come right back to you. If Bitzer Wealth wants to come up and share something, I gotta at least... Need to be able to rub this in his face when, essentially, I topped the Nat Nat Mindshare. Bitzer Wealth, I just wanna make sure welcome to ATC, and I also want to make sure that you know who is top dog on Ladinha's mindshare over here. That's me. That's who.
[1:06:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yo. I was gonna bitch at you, but I figured I'd just jump up here. You know what I'm saying?
[1:06:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: What's cooking, bro? You good?
[1:06:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I just wanted to come up here to say what's up. You're always telling me I never come up, man. So I was like, alright. You know what? I'm I'm gonna jump up.
[1:06:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. Because you always tell me, like, hosting. You're done now. You're gonna come up. So I'm like, I... Whatever, bro. Like, it's fine. Welcome, man. It's good to have you, my brother. Oh, man. Yeah. Good shit. Alright. Ninja, talk to me. Nat, you better be paying attention during this segment. Okay? You better be paying attention. There is no next time. Okay? It's not how this works. Ninja, give me
[1:06:54] NatNat @Natnatx007: the top. I have I have a question before you dive in, Ninja. So is the NFT collection launching now or next time?
[1:07:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Chill out. I get some new material. You need to chill out. Ninja, they're cooking me for the freaking p f for the... For my top, bro, because I don't have a neck because I look all swole. Like, I gotta work out. Like... And then he said he said he was going to
[1:07:17] NatNat @Natnatx007: get something to drink, and I'm like, with what neck? Is it gonna regurgitate right out?
[1:07:23] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: It's just... Those next next are on a thing here in crypto. But... No. Yeah. I mean, with with the tops, I'd say they're they're semi live now. Right? So it... It's it's ready. The tots are out there now. So the demo mode that was in there now is not there anymore. So... But live now. When you get that unlocked, you'll see that in the points section in that tab. You'll be able to customize it and then submit that top and then mint it once once it gets submitted. So I I minted... The first time, I minted nine already, and I think there's two other people that have already minted theirs. So, again, this will be a 1,000 NFT collect... Genesis collection for for free Mint. It's no no cost to Mint other than just using Tater. So just using tater will unlock it. And one of the biggest things outside of, obviously, you know, having your own custom no neck top will be that
[1:08:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: What top? Wait. Wait. Wait. Say that one more time.
[1:08:28] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: You know?
[1:08:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Shut up.
[1:08:29] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Custom no neck top.
[1:08:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ninja, don't listen to these people, Ninja. Don't listen to them. Not the no neck... It's true. They don't got...
[1:08:38] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: They do they do got no necks. I mean, I can't I can't write.
[1:08:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: No neck soldiers. No neck in a peach selection. Dude, she's so much. No necks. But,
[1:08:49] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: I mean, let... Like, let's take the pudgy penguins, right, or the cop... Yappy bars. I mean, do they really go next? I mean, let's take a look at
[1:08:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: them now. Thank you. You. Look at this yappy bar in the tuxedo. At least I'm wearing some cool ass chains with some cool hair and a polygon tattoo. Nobody's gonna mess with me. You see this look at... Do you guys see the Sora video I created? I literally had coma and whatever, man, on my back jumping out being like, I can't believe these guys are richer than me. This is crazy. I had two copy bars on my back. But sorry, Ninja. Continue, please.
[1:09:17] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: You're good. And and here... Here's the thing. With with the top, the top is meant to be something that you personalize, you work for. Right? So in every other NFT collection that you get, right, let's say the Yappy bars, participants, in any NFT collection. Right? There's obviously different takes to NFTs and how they come about and how you earn them. But for the most part, every NFT collection that's out there, it's a reveal. Right? You don't know what you're getting, and sometimes you might not like the NFT, right, because it's it's kind of personable. So with this, like, I mean, I don't believe there's really any other NFT collection where you're able to fully customize it, make it your own however you want, and then mint it. Right? So this is a super unique, super cool thing that I think is pretty cool because if you're able to customize it, you're able to own it more, and it's, you know, it's something you like. You're gonna see it. You own it, and it'll be in your wallet. And for these Genesis NFTs, one of the biggest things outside of this your own custom personable NFT collection is in the future, as we start working with projects in onboarding other people to partner with to just work with alongside to grow in this space is when they're... Like, let's say, for example, there's a future airdrop or something that we worked with on a project holders who are core believers initially, they're gonna do, like, for example, like, a 25% bonus of whatever we airdrop in addition to everybody that's on the leaderboard. Right? So it's it's gonna have some some cool benefits just to owning one. Right? There's nothing you gotta do, nothing you gotta pay for other than just do what you do in crypto already just through Tater, and that's it.
[1:10:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love it. I love it. I love it.
[1:10:59] Kkoma @itskkoma: Like, the... I think
[1:11:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: the incentives line up perfectly. Right? My no neck top, Matt, is gonna get me 25% more allocation because I'm using Tater. I hit the 500 threshold. You know what the rest of y'all gonna be waiting? I'm gonna be waving at you down on the leaderboard unless y'all step your games up. Okay? That's how this is gonna work. But, Ninja, I love I love aligning the incentives. And do you have projects lined up already so that we can maybe, like, push people to be like, yo. Start getting involved with Tater now because if you get these 500... And you gain... And maybe, Ninja, can you tell people how they gain points?
[1:11:33] Ninja_Dev @ninja_dev3: Yeah. So, well, you gain points by just doing what you do every day. You know? You you buy and sell tokens probably every week. Right? You might do some prediction market bets. You might do some pro trades. Whatever it is that you do that's on chain trading, prediction markets, perps, what else? Is it earning yield? Anything you're already doing, if you do it through Tater, you're gonna earn points. That's how you earn points, just doing what you do already every day or every day of the week, every week, every month, you know, however, whatever you do on chain. You just do that through Tater, and and that earns you points. And Let's go. There are some projects lined up now, and they'll only get bigger as as we kinda work through things and get more people aligned. So, you know, the goal is not going to be to preannounce a lot of things like, oh, yeah. There's, you know, wait for this date for an airdrop for this project we partnered with. Like I mentioned before, I like to do things a certain way for a long term vision. So if you're using the product and you're using Tater and that's what you do, you will just automatically get that. Right? Prenouncing it will drive a different use case that we're kinda hoping to change in the space a bit and and drive value. So if using Tater, you'll you'll know about it, and you'll just get those incentives as they come.
[1:12:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Great stuff, Ninja. Guys, you guys know how I'm I'm I'm a very, very big fan of Ninja and and the entire Tater team and and what they're doing, what they're building. The product is solid. Being able to use it, link your accounts across Telegram, Farcaster, X, WhatsApp. Right? Like, it's different. You can talk to Tater in the DMs, the security aspect of being able to freeze your account if, god forbid, something happened. Right? You can still interact with contracts. Right? If you have to go claim an airdrop. Right? Because a lot of times, just hold not your key, not your... Like, there's a million different things that... Like, features that are in this platform that, like, Ninja has genuinely thought of to be able to, like, really, like, make this a seamless seamless thing for everything you do in crypto from buy, sell, trade, prediction markets, yield farming, and there's amazing yield farming opportunities also. And there's auto yield farming strategies too. So we do the spaces on Fridays at 1PM, so definitely definitely come through there. Ninja, amazing, bro. Thank you so much for obviously coming through and and announcing that, I hope everybody goes onto the Tater platform and takes advantage of this. And we might be degenning and gambling on Friday. That's all I'm saying, at 01:00. And, Komal, you're invited. So... Alright. Ben, I'm filling out this application. I need you to tell me everything about Talos. Tell the audience about Talos, why we need to get involved, what is the deal, and thank you for being patient with us, man. I'm super excited to hear everything you have to say, my man. What's going? What's good?
[1:14:22] Ben @ben_frigon: Bro, for sure. Yeah. My name is Ben. I'm the cofounder of Talos, and we're really excited about what we're building. We're building a AI agent infrastructure network for truly decentralized agents where you can have the agent on chain. So expressed kinda like an AI smart contract, and it has all the properties of being on chain. So it's censorship resistant. It's transparent what the workflow is. You know, it's interoperable with other on chain programs, and everything that the agent does is verifiable. And then you can have AI generated off chain, like, an LLM, you know, is very compute intensive. It's not not a good candidate for, being on chain, but you can have AI that's generated off chain, and then, we operate a network of leader nodes that form like a decentralized orchestrator. So you can think about Talos network as kind of a web three Zapier. And as more and more workflows come on chain, people automate more and more in the web three universe, we think that this is a... I mean, I... This is a multibillion dollar opportunity.
[1:15:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: I love it, man. I love it. I love it. Okay. So talk talk to me about the campaign that you guys currently have running. Who's applying? What's the deal here? I see you guys have a a nice amount of money, obviously, for rewards. Give us the skinny.
[1:15:40] Ben @ben_frigon: Yeah. We're doing a a a campaign right now called KOL Arena. The eligibility criteria is in the application. But if you're a top KOL and you have a large following and, you know, you're interested in what we're doing, if you're interested in AI agents, automating workflows, you know, new opportunities in CryptoAI, then, we have this KOL arena that's like a creator program, and we have rewards just for the people accepted into this KOL arena. So, be sure to apply to that. And, yeah, I think I think it's a great opportunity for for a lot of people on crypto Twitter.
[1:16:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: So what are we gonna be... Yeah. No. Get our... Welcome.
[1:16:19] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I'm the head of marketing at Talos. So adding to that, it's like 75 k right now up for grabs, going to top... The top 50 creators. The good thing for newcomers is that a lot of people were sleeping on this, so they wasn't too competitive. But next, we will reveal the leaderboard. We're gonna make it public, and there are big names already participating. So you guys should just go ahead and apply as soon as possible because this is getting so competitive.
[1:16:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like it. So... Yeah. Go ahead, Mani. Sorry. Just...
[1:16:52] Moni @monitalan: I was gonna say the the even more amazing part is there's opportunities even if you're not at KOL. Right? So you have the KOL Arena. I think, cool, you applied. Comas there. Hopefully, Dave, you do. But then there's also a Kaito leaderboard, so keep that in mind, and there are rewards there. And they also have a community leaderboard. So I've I've been super impressed in how they support the the the creators because you have different levels. You can learn. I did a session today with them, like I said, on Discord on how to, like, improve. I I reviewed five Twitter accounts and help people kind of improve their Twitter accounts, and I think that's kind of the commitments that they have for creators.
[1:17:28] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Yeah. There are opportunities for everybody. Accounts of all sizes. We have different leaderboards. Obviously, the KOL arena is the most competitive one. It's invite only. You need to have minimum five k followers. But the cool thing about this competition is we also gave the opportunity to our top creators from our community. They were, like, the only ones that didn't meet this requirement, but since they've been with us for months, over a year, so we're all being basically practicing what we preach. So we we have this opportunity just like the top creator from our community, and they are... One of them, by the way, one of them is in the top 10 right now. So we're... I'm I'm really surprised. And that guy, for example, he doesn't even have, like, two k followers.
[1:18:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: But I'm telling you, this is the time for a small creator.
[1:18:17] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: So... Yeah. So even smaller content creators, they still have a chance. And like I said, it's getting very competitive. We have already big names, and more will be joining.
[1:18:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like it. So, Ara, if you don't... Sorry. Go ahead, Koma, and then I'll ask my question.
[1:18:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Or Koma is just hot miking. Sweet. Ara, here's my question. My... Like, so what are we gonna... Or or or, Ben, this is for you, either or, what are we actually gonna be doing? Right? Like, are we testing different AI agents? Right? I see, like, prediction AI. You wrote agent. If if prediction AI and agents are your thing, like, what exactly are we testing out and, like, what is the Thales, like, platform? Like, what is the test net? Like, what what what are we playing around with? Like, what kind of AI and what kind of tasks are we doing? Like, give us a little more info there.
[1:19:04] Ben @ben_frigon: So I'll I'll tell you about the test net, and then I'll say more generally, like, what the platform's gonna look like. So the test net right now, we have three agents live on Twitter, and these are utilizing Nexus. So the workflows are on chain. You know that the agent is decentralized. This can be very, very valuable for a variety of use cases, like AI XPT, for instance. You you guys know the, it's unclear if AI XPT is a human or not. Like, yeah, it's called automated. It's got the automated tag on Twitter, but nobody really knows for sure. This is one of the things that we can solve for by putting workflows on chain is you get instant verifiability because you can see all of the agent execution. The agent is completely defined on chain. So you would be able to know something like AI XBT, were actually an agent tweeting, if they had used Nexus, the framework that we had created. So this is a a a... The... For the test that we're running, three agents, on chain right now, they're modeled after, famous personalities. So we have a Trump agent, we have a Kim Kardashian agent, and we have a Theo Vonn agent. And, yeah. We... They're... Basically, you you get rewards if you get one of them to, interact with one of the many people that they're, tweeting at. And, you know, they're literally firing off, like, hundreds of tweets a day. Like, these agents are getting a lot of lot of engagement from all over crypto and Twitter right now. So, yeah, there's some some big opportunity if you if you interact with these agents.
[1:20:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hold up. So I gotta... If I can get them to interact with me or get the person that they're interacting, like, who their comment... Like, who their reply guy into?
[1:20:42] Ben @ben_frigon: Monica, did you have a... Did you have your hand up and you wanna add something there?
[1:20:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I just wanted to say...
[1:20:47] Ben @ben_frigon: Oh, I can answer that aside. But, you know, Monica, you go ahead first.
[1:20:51] Moni @monitalan: No. I just wanted to say, Dave, I think you would be so good at this. And there's separate prices. Right? Monetary prices for that.
[1:21:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. I would... Can you guys hear me okay?
[1:21:02] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:21:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Yeah. Yo. I would... Yo. Busy, well, chill out. So you... Put... If you put a challenge in front of me, Ben, I'm telling you right now, I will go break every single agent that you have within your system and literally bring those agents to their knees and make sure that every single person that they're talking to is going to reply to me. I will find a way. I am severely neurodivergent, and this is how I literally got started with ChatGPT. I was like, I'm going to break this thing. I'm gonna tell GPT to make a 911 call for me. And next thing you know, it started telling me, I'm gonna set an alarm for you. And I'm like, you can't set alarms. I'm like, I need you
[1:21:42] Kkoma @itskkoma: to call this. They're like, I
[1:21:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: can't do that. It's not my peripheral. I'm like, but I'm dying. Like, you don't understand. Like, the ambulance is too far away, and they were like, okay. Fine. We'll call someone for you. And I'm like, you still can't call someone, but I win. So, yeah, that kind of challenge, I love this stuff. I am definitely going to apply to this because, yeah,
[1:22:16] Ben @ben_frigon: Aerofrog again too. He's our, our marketing guy. But, you know, I'm I'm happy to answer any questions about that. But the the biggest thing is just apply. Like, you know, we're we're getting inundated with applications right now. It was, like, slept on at first, and then people started seeing, like, oh, you know, we had, like, a raise announcement and stuff. And so we're we're just getting a ton of applications. So, you know, sort of apply, and we'll we'll we'll look at your app.
[1:22:40] Kkoma @itskkoma: No. No. I'm already in. I think I think the problem that I did... Had was I submitted it, but then I... It's a very odd... It's like submit a video, but then I submitted a post, but then there was, like, no real good, like, feedback for some reason, on my end. But I may be, like, a special edge case, so I think that's why I'd rather just create a ticket or something and figure that out. But, actually, I had a second question because I've been following you guys. I've been, you know, posting about you guys and learning about you guys, what you're doing. Like, I think this agent to get a reply thing is pretty cool as, like, a initial start. But, Ben, I've been listening to a lot of your interviews. Like, long term, you see, like, an alignment between prediction markets and predicting on AI agents themselves. And then, like, maybe AI agents competing against themselves. What kind of, like... Do you think... You know, some... I I guess sometimes I think I'm, like, trying to understand, like, is this too early or, like, are you just thinking long term? Like, what are these agents actually competing against each other for? Is it, like, trading? Is it... Are they, like, AI agent boxing? Like, what is the... What are the... What are people actually gonna be predicting on against these, like, agent to agent competitions that you're, like, envisioning?
[1:23:43] Ben @ben_frigon: So I... I'm very bullish on prediction markets, personally. I have been a prediction market user actually longer since I was a DeFi... Than I was a DeFi user. I started using prediction markets in, like, probably around, like, the twenty sixteen, seventeen rate... Yeah. Like, twenty sixteen election probably on, PredictIt back when, before we had Polymarket and CallSheet, we had PredictIt, which was, like, not not a great platform. Like, you they had this $850 cap on, any of your positions. So this led, like, a lot of the markets to be fragmented and, like, it was unclear if it was... The whole thing was legal. But, like, that was always really interesting to me is that you could have an information market that tries to elicit the wisdom of the crowd on something. So I'm very bullish on prediction markets in general. The way that we view the marriage of AI and prediction markets is that a a prediction market is the the business structure. It's the capital structure of monetizing attention. You know? Definitely monetizing attention in a sustainable way. So I I tweet this all the time, but, like, memes are are kinda dead. Perps are are good, but prediction markets are are where the alpha is. And that's because in an attention economy, all the value, to be, created is in in capturing human attention. Right? People... I think everybody understands this. Every meme coin you ever ate, like every TikTok you've ever watched, every reality TV show is about capturing your attention. And so prediction markets are a way that, you can formalize and monetize the attention that you capture. And conversely for the user, it's a way for you to have more control over your attention. So if you're paying attention to an event, if you're giving your attention away, then you have an opportunity to earn on that event through a prediction market purely by your... Virtue of your paying attention to that event. So that's what I think is really cool about prediction markets, and I think that's a trillion dollar industry. Like, think with... In in the next five years easily.
[1:25:39] Kkoma @itskkoma: But I think you specifically said that prediction markets with, like, AI agent Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I I can't... I'm just having a hard
[1:25:47] Ben @ben_frigon: time So so so that was just... Yeah. That was just the background on on, how we think about prediction markets at Talos, how I think about prediction markets personally. What what we're doing for our platform, we're gonna have an agent launch pad very similar to virtuals, okay, where anyone can come and create an agent. Very easy to create an agent. The agent will have an agent token. We've already created an initial agent offering model that sits beneath the launch pad. So all all... You guys have all seen that before through virtuals. But where virtuals, I I I... In in a lot of these agent Launchpads, you know, didn't go far enough is that there wasn't anything to do with the agent once it was created. Like, the agent could tweet or, like, the agent could do, like, a livestream, like, Luna agent that streams twenty four seven, but, you know, the interaction kinda stopped there. And so the attention cycle would turn over and people would start paying attention to another agent. Right? So the way that we're, monetizing these agents for creators, like giving people the chance to earn with these agents, is in having them play games against each other. So you have an agent, you you create an agent. We have a few structured competitions that we're gonna be launching, on the platform, and, people are gonna be able to speculate on the outcomes of these competitions in prediction markets. So our consumer platform, auto dot fun, is gonna be like a combination of virtuals where anyone can come and and launch an agent and have an agent token associated with that agent. And we're adding on top of that competitions for the agents to play against each other. And then the prediction market part is people can bet on the outcomes of these competitions in prediction markets. So AI is... One one thing that's really cool about AI is that it's stochastic, you know. It's it's not, deterministic. You don't know what it's gonna do next. That's why people think AI is interesting. So it's really the perfect thing to bet on. So that's the idea behind our our our platform.
[1:27:37] Kkoma @itskkoma: No. I I love this idea. And sorry, Dave. I know I'm I'm kinda hogging the mic. But, the reason why I think this could really work, and I I I think what I'm having a hard time wrapping is what type of competitions could they be. But if this could work, like, then you could literally have prediction markets twenty four seven, like, nonstop. Like, no matter what time zone you're in, there's literally gonna be a prediction market for something. Right? Because, essentially, you don't really have to rely on, like, sports games or whatever, like, these specific events at 2PM eastern time or UTC. And, like, literally, these these competitions could keep pumping and pumping and pumping and pumping, and then it's just like an endless flywheel of just people predicting, agents competing, and then just... Yeah. Like, the... I could see, like, how that flywheel could work. So, yeah, I thought that was pretty cool.
[1:28:22] Ben @ben_frigon: Yeah. Two two growth issues for prediction markets are that, first of all, semantic difference and unclear time horizon. So we've already seen this on Polymarket, like, you know, you'll have a, like, a resolution that's off by, like, one word and then everybody gets screwed in the market. Right? And then unclear time horizon, like, you know, like, you can't have a market that runs for ten years because how do you risk adjust for that? So so that, you know, those collectively are, one thing. And then another thing is just people need more stuff to pay attention to and to have prediction markets for. And we solve that with our platform because with AI agents, you know, you think about the virtual side, like creating agents, there are now unlimited low cost opportunities to try to create these little attention vectors that are called AI agents. Right? Like, we... It is a it is a really broad, fruitful creator space in creating agents. But now with AVA markets, you know, this... The the... This new concept that we're pioneering, anyone can bet on these outcomes. And then the outcomes are very clear because, again, the workflow's on chain. So, you know, there's no murkiness in the resolution. Everyone will be able to see the outcome of the AVA market because the... All the execution was on chain. And it'll have a very clear time horizon, like, this market resolved. You know, this competition ran for three hours or it ran for one hour or it ran for one day or it ran for three days. And so... Yeah. I I I think we we solve for a lot of the growth problems in prediction markets with this platform.
[1:29:57] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: Great stuff. Let me let
[1:29:58] Ben @ben_frigon: me give you...... Interesting. Yeah.
[1:30:00] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Sorry. Let me give you one example because I'm pretty sure a lot of people are struggling to visualize and understand because the demo is not live yet. So imagine, for example... Because one of the one of the things a lot of dApps struggle with is capturing attention, right, on social media and all that. One component of out of the phone and AVM markets is that we will have what we call idle agents. Right? The idle agents that we have in this competition is just one part of that. They are the auto agents that will be capturing attention, beefing with each other, challenging each other, saying bad things with each other. Like, they can generate that drama. They will be the drama generators on Twitter. They have the ability to do that. Now imagine, for example, idol idol Elon Musk and idols, Sam Alman, they hate each other. Now imagine them beefing, challenging each other, talking about things on... Doing, like, drama onto this drama on Twitter. They can challenge each other to... For... In a competition through out of the phone. Let's say, we will have different type of competition. Let's say, like, a racing competition. They they were beefing right, fighting with each other on Twitter. One of them challenged the other one. And you know what? Let's go ahead and let's let's compete on this racing game. And they go to out of the phone. They participate in this competition. Humans, people, user, whatever you wanna call it, agents, they can bet on the outcomes of these of these competitions where idle agents will be... Will will play an important role. There could be different type of idle agents. I just mentioned two of them. Well, imagine any type of white celebrity turning to an idle agent. That's a cool thing about about that. And the resolution of these markets will be just in minutes, not just... Not days, weeks. So... Basically, who's them?
[1:31:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Because I speak to... Obviously, Brad is here, and he's he's heavy into the prediction markets, and one of the biggest things is settlement. Who's resolving these markets?
[1:32:06] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: The agents. Like, the the the... That's that's... So so humans don't don't have any, like, involvement in this. Humans only speculate on the outcomes of the competition.
[1:32:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Interesting. Brett, what's your take... I'm really curious to hear your take, Brett. Sorry. Go ahead, Colm. If you wanna go one more... Like, if you have one more thing to add, and then I'll go to Brett.
[1:32:26] Kkoma @itskkoma: No. I just... I mean, I always think about edge cases, but, like, I I I assume there's gonna be some validation or some hallucination agent to make sure that these two agents aren't deciding that they're the winners. But... Yeah. No. That's pretty cool. I I...
[1:32:39] Kool @koolcryptovc: That's a
[1:32:39] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: good idea. At some point, this is a good opportunity for builders, developers, agents, whatever. Like, whenever it's permissionless, at some point, it won't. Right? Initially, it won't. But, like, taking advantage of trends on the markets. Right? There's a lot of trends all the time. Right? And idle agents will be really good at this. Like, generally, the dram... These dramas taking taking advantage of this of these trends and then creating competitions around this.
[1:33:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Interesting. Okay. There's a lot that, obviously, I did not expect, like, there to be this much kinda to unpack. Bread, like, anything... Any any... Anything you wanna add or any question maybe? Because I know, like, you are neck deep. Oh my god. I can't believe I set myself up for that. I can't believe in that.
[1:33:30] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, he said you're a Nat.
[1:33:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god, bro. Nicholas Lee? Crazy. Oh my god. Bread, anything you wanna add, bro?
[1:33:38] Bread @_ToastMalone: After you call me shallow like that, bro? Like, that's that's kinda messed up. You know? But, yeah. No. No. GM GM gang. No. This is, it's interesting when you start getting into agentic systems. And then once, like... Yeah. If you wanna start betting on individual agents, betting on other things like this, like, meta type play, you know, mean, it's kinda like digital horse racing. You know what I mean? It's gonna be... Like, depending on the size and the attention of those markets is really going to dictate the liquidity that's available to realistically have all of these autonomous transactions happening without just getting, like, dozens of denied transactions or requests or, you know, orders that just sit in the order book and never get filled. You know? So I'm I'm really curious to see, like, how... You know, like, I'm a dev, and so we don't have to get into,
[1:34:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: like, that
[1:34:31] Bread @_ToastMalone: shit here on the space. But It's alright. It's it's
[1:34:34] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: it's something else. So traditional prediction markets, what's missing? Like, some people make this comparison, min coins versus prediction markets. What prediction markets are missing is that dopamine that min can give you. Like, there's no comparison there. You didn't get that with prediction markets. What what we're doing with AVM markets and other phone, we're adding that missing component of prediction markets.
[1:35:02] Bread @_ToastMalone: Well, I mean, I get it. Like, how to betting lives Yeah. Prediction markets during an NFL game or something, dude. I mean, I'm definitely getting that dopamine, like, from meme coins and watching a chart jump on, like, you know, a a one minute chart. You know what I mean? Like, it's the same thing to me. I bought in at, like, this team at 20¢, and all of a sudden, like, they're somehow in the lead in the end of the third quarter, and now they're selling at 70¢. Like, I'm out later. You know? Like, take my profits. You know? And that's, like, that's dope.
[1:35:30] Ben @ben_frigon: Yeah. That was a... I I think that was a technical question as well about the liquidity in the markets. The... We we have a really cool solution to that. I I I should mention as well that Talos itself is not a prediction market. Like, we're AI agent infrastructure, and there's many, many different use cases for Nexus, this framework that we've created in Fortellis Network, including in DeFi, automating a lot of DeFi, automating a lot of liquidity provision, and, you know, automated governance, automating any workflow. You know, we... We've created a vision builder as well. So we're... We've created, like, a, like, a decentralized n eight n, which I think is very cool. But, yeah. On the on the market side, we we have a cool solution to that, and we're working with some some good partners to to build out these AVA markets that doesn't have the the same liquidity needs as a traditional prediction market. I'm sure you've seen some of the projects that are that are building prediction markets with bonding curves in the binary positions. So, yeah, we'll we'll have some more information about that coming out soon.
[1:36:36] Bread @_ToastMalone: So essentially just like pairing mutual contracts?
[1:36:39] Ben @ben_frigon: Wait. That's one way that you could do it. And the other is that if you... Just for a normal binary position, you could have a bonding curve for that position. So you incentivize early buys.
[1:36:52] Kkoma @itskkoma: See, this is so much better than me complaining about... I don't know how a KOL arena works. So I think I made a good decision about talking about prediction market and stuff. So, yeah, just please remember me when, you know, you guys are reviewing the KOL's arena, you know, users.
[1:37:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, chill out. I didn't use your I didn't use your referral code.
[1:37:09] Kkoma @itskkoma: Did know about the predictions at Talos before I said anything?
[1:37:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I did not. So I mean, I did Both. I did ask the question. I said it says AI prediction. So, technically, I did. Kinda. Kinda sorta. I saw COBRA came up. Let me see if COBRA has a quick question, comma, I'll come right back to you. Go ahead, COBRA.
[1:37:27] Voice N: Hi, Dave. Thank you for the opportunity and giving me the mic. I'm happy to be back. Nat Nat and Koo... Crypto and meet Monika. And, also, it's pleasure seeing the Tullus team here. I am in the K Well Arena with Monika. I made it there, so I'm happy. I'm actually... Like, as a video content creator, thinking about creating a high quality video for Talos as well like I did for billions. So, yeah, I had a few questions from the team and just wanted to ask them real quick. The first one is about this idol dot fun five thousand, this a... This agent contest. I couldn't get get it that, like, that much. So could you give me, like, a breakdown to that, like, real quick? Thank you.
[1:38:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ara, maybe that's for you. Was the was the question clear?
[1:38:27] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: I can answer, but I'm not sure if I understood the question. What was the what the Because... Okay. Let let me let me give some context. Let me let me give some con... Some context. So we have three different tiers. One tier was given away, one k. The second one, five k, and the the last one is 10 k. And in order for you to participate to win, you had to get a response from an account with the specific, like, following size. The one for for for example, five k, I don't remember exactly the the the minimum... What what the minimum was. I think it was, like, 500 k or something like that. So if if you got a response from an account of that size, then, basically, you were participating to win. But it wasn't, like, first come, first served, which means, like, if you were the the first person to receive that answer, you automatically get it. No. Because there were some people, you know, came in the system. That's that's... That happens all the time. So we were... We verified every single response and made sure that people weren't, like, cheating.
[1:39:31] Voice N: Amazing. Amazing. Like, is it still going on or the
[1:39:35] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Only one only one series available, which is the 10 one, the biggest price.
[1:39:42] Voice N: Like, let's say I get a reply from CZ. Would that be... Would that work?
[1:39:47] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Yeah. It needs to be a big account, yeah, with millions of followers. I don't remember exactly the the amount. It's on the website, by the way. But it needs to be, like, 1,000,000 plus.
[1:39:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, I'm gonna crush this competition.
[1:40:00] Moni @monitalan: My god. I can't wait. Dave is gonna tell me.
[1:40:02] Kkoma @itskkoma: You you get you get rate limited, by the way, Dave. So it's like
[1:40:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: it is somewhat... In person. Yeah. And it... And and it's not and it's not
[1:40:09] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: hard to do it. The problem is a lot of people don't know how to engage with other account. How do you deal with those to engage with, like, big accounts? It's not really hard.
[1:40:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ara. Hey, listen. I'm not trying to give away my secret sauce. Okay? But guess what? Guess who's talking with Andrew Nye, who was personally invited? Andrew Nye, 1,200,000 followers. Thank you very much. King of AI, head of Google DeepRing, and Baidu, by the way, AI's division. So, guys, g g, this was fun. Guys, please, please approve my my my KOL Arena application. And I used Monica's referral because I refused to give Coma any more money than I've already given him. Every quack I earn, he probably earns 10 times that amount. So, yeah, I'm going to crush this competition. I'm just saying. And coma and COBRA along with it, just FYI. It it very much
[1:41:04] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Yeah. Easy money, honestly. Easy money. Like, I've said to my community, like like, small content creators tend to whine and complain about, like, the big guys getting all the money, but here, you don't need, like, a huge following. Just being smart and properly using the the the other agents to get with those big accounts.
[1:41:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Laura, look at my name, bro. David who slays Goliath. Okay? You understand? That's... No. No. No. We're just This is
[1:41:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: this is
[1:41:32] Moni @monitalan: this is so interesting,
[1:41:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: Ara. Is there a way that we can track this? Because I wanna see how Dave does. I wanna... We're we're going to do this for real. Is there a link? How do we track it? Is it trackable?
[1:41:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm in the DMs with Ara being like, yo, Ara, don't give them no tracking links, bro.
[1:41:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Aura, we lost you. Damn. Hey. Listen. Oh, I'm sorry, Johnny.
[1:42:03] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Sorry. Yeah. Didn't hear the the question. It's like... I think it was something related to track... If it's trackable.
[1:42:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: They're trying to track my progress, or they wanna make sure that I'm not just talking shit. You know? Like, they wanna make sure that, like, I'm actually to hold up my end of the deal out here.
[1:42:16] NatNat @Natnatx007: Exactly it.
[1:42:20] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: I just wanna make sure that I understood the question. What was the question? Sorry.
[1:42:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Or do you hear us or no? Can you hear us?
[1:42:26] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: Yeah. I can hear you.
[1:42:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Yeah. So the question was, they wanna track my progress. So, essentially, I'm talking all this smack that I'm gonna essentially crush everybody in the competition. They
[1:42:36] Kkoma @itskkoma: wanna know,
[1:42:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: is there a way for for them to track my progress?
[1:42:39] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: No. They can't.
[1:42:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: Right. You heard it here first, Nat. You can.
[1:42:44] Kool @koolcryptovc: We are we are we
[1:42:45] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: are the only ones who see that.
[1:42:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: Okay. So if if if I send you Ara, we're gonna be best friends. Right? So if I send you a DM and I say, what are they, Ara? How is Dave doing? And you could you could send me a screenshot and say, not... He just went all the way to the bottom. And then I won't publish it, but I will definitely get in
[1:43:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Dave's DM about it. You think your cohost would be the one that's uplifting you and trying to say, you know what? Like, you can do this. Like, you got this.
[1:43:11] NatNat @Natnatx007: Because you can. Because you can. Because you can. That's why.
[1:43:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Uh-huh. So the one with less than 5,000 followers who can't make the cut forward. That's That's exactly it. I had to take that shot. I had to. But... Alright. Amazing. This... Guys, this was incredible. I got dinner waiting for me. Really, really great stuff. Ben, Ara, anything you guys wanna end off on before... Avi, I know... I don't know if you had a a question for Ninja, but let me just... Ben, Ara, anything you guys wanna leave off on before you guys go? And thank you again for making the time to come chat with us. Really appreciate it.
[1:43:43] Ben @ben_frigon: Man, no problem. I had a great time. I'm happy to come back anytime too. I love doing spaces like this. This is... I used to do this, like, all the time even before I started working on Talos. We're just like... That's how I got into crypto, just crypto Twitter, which I think is, like, a lot... That's how a lot of people got into it. So, just being a degen and, you know, it's it's fun to hang out with some degens. So, you know, we're we're we're gonna be TGing soon. Don't have a date yet, but, look out for that. And there's a lot of ways to get involved. If you're a KOL, and you have a a a solid following, join KOL Arena. If you, you know, interact with the the idle agents that are on Testnet, you know, interact with those accounts. And, you know, we we have an NFT collection as well on SWE called Tally's. I think we're, like, the fourth or fifth largest collection on on SWE right now. So be sure to check that out because I really do like tallies. They're very... That's my PFP. I I love the frogs.
[1:44:40] NatNat @Natnatx007: But I just want... I just wanted to say, you know, that you you come across very, very personable, and I think that's huge when it comes to business and business success, especially in web three. Right? You want to be personable and you want to, you know, fit in with the crowd, and I think you guys are doing that very, very well, and I wish you guys nothing but success.
[1:44:56] Ben @ben_frigon: I I appreciate that. You know, I'm really focused on building right now, but one one thing that helps with being personable is that, I was a degen for a long time, and, man, I've lost a lot of money on crypto. So you guys... At least you guys know when when I hop on a space and I'm I'm talking to you guys, like, I was right there getting rugged with the rest of you guys. I I can say that very honestly.
[1:45:15] AraFrog 🆃 @0x_Aragon: I was gonna say exactly that, man. We were in the trenches. We were degens. I'm no longer like that.
[1:45:20] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm ultimate way to get humble, man. Humble pie. So, yeah, we
[1:45:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: we all the same boat as you guys. Ben, we always do. So we've all been there.
[1:45:30] Ben @ben_frigon: I appreciate that, man. For sure.
[1:45:33] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yeah. Thanks for answering all my my my, I guess, my questions specifically. I... It's because I listened to some of your interviews, I think, like, when you're in Korea and whatever. So now I have a better understanding of of kind of, like, next steps outside of Eidol. Fund, which I think is pretty interesting. And, yeah, I'm gonna look into the Nexus framework a little bit more because I'm a dev, and that's what I do. So thanks.
[1:45:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: Dev doesn't help anybody build anything. Not like this.
[1:45:59] Kkoma @itskkoma: Only only
[1:46:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: myself. Exactly. Only himself. Anyways, nothing, Brad.
[1:46:04] Bread @_ToastMalone: Oh, yeah. I can vouch for coma.
[1:46:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: He's Here we go. The devs unite. I get it. No. But Ben, I will second, and, or I will second. And, obviously, he's like, please relate to Mike as well. I'll I'll second and third what Nat Nat said. A lot of times, like, we just get a dev that comes up here, and it's just like, they kinda talk real low and say, yeah. We built it. Yeah. You guys are actually passionate about the shit that you're building, and you came with a team. And I genuinely appreciate that. Like, you didn't have to, but you did. So, yeah, I really look forward to having you guys back. Landy, go forward, and we'll close out.
[1:46:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: So you have to clarify this for me. Are you saying dev as in devonair, or are you saying dev as in developer?
[1:46:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: You really want me to rug this space like I did yesterday? Is that really what you want? I'm gonna...
[1:46:46] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm pretty sure he means debonair. Debonair.
[1:46:48] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, yeah. I could've thought. The debonair is a night.
[1:46:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hate it here. I hate it here. Congrats everybody that ate on limitless.
[1:46:55] Kool @koolcryptovc: But... Yeah. I do have a question for you. Did... Does anyone... Did anyone buy that that token, the the the casino token that they shut down?
[1:47:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: The one that shut
[1:47:05] Moni @monitalan: down? No. Thank god.
[1:47:06] Ben @ben_frigon: No. Oh, that was crazy. Somebody hacked the Twitter and then said the project was shutting down and say... Like, somebody... This is on chain. Somebody opened a huge short position right before the stop.
[1:47:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: That wasn't real? So it was hacked? It wasn't real?
[1:47:20] Ben @ben_frigon: No. It wasn't real.
[1:47:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Did did shut it down?
[1:47:24] Ben @ben_frigon: I don't think. I don't know. I could've... I could be seeing fake news about the fake news. I don't know.
[1:47:27] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm reading it right now on, actually, a a website. I'm I'm live on YouTube. I do my own show. I'm actually reading it right now. I'm a small jazz fan, so I think it's real, man. I think it's real. Woah.
[1:47:40] Ben @ben_frigon: Oh, maybe it is real. I don't know. What is it at right now?
[1:47:44] Kool @koolcryptovc: It's... It went down 70% today.
[1:47:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. So there's two things that are happening here. There's there's there's claims that they were hacked. There's claims that the team took out a short before making the announcement, and then there is claims that it came from inside of the the network... The the the decentralized network community that is helping to run the network, and there is no real clarity. Like, it's just one side fighting the other and then the others... It's getting, like, really messy. And, honestly, I think these are the most interesting times to be in crypto is when it gets all messy like this and nobody knows what's going on. But this has been really interesting to watch because it it went for, like, a little bounce and then immediately got re shorted. So who knows what's really happening? It could be fake news. It could be real news. It could be real fake news.
[1:48:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Where do we land on this? What do we think?
[1:48:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: They weren't doing a lot of business. Let's put it that way.
[1:48:51] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. I mean, it it it it probably real, man. I mean, because the way... I I don't know.
[1:48:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Who the hell knows, man?
[1:48:56] Kool @koolcryptovc: But like I said, I just kinda like what Landy always says, most most of
[1:49:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: your money should be in... They can't eat
[1:49:04] Kool @koolcryptovc: Solana or stablecoins.
[1:49:07] NatNat @Natnatx007: Or a lot of people
[1:49:08] Kool @koolcryptovc: lost a lot of your money. Imagine having 90% of
[1:49:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: your work in... Into this token down, basically, gone to zero. Your money is gone.
[1:49:17] Kool @koolcryptovc: There's no coming back from this. So I
[1:49:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: hope Sounds very close to the
[1:49:20] AlphaGamer @AlphaGamer_sats: good money.
[1:49:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: --.
[1:49:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Don't worry about it. I'm gonna get the voice snippets for sure. But, yo, I appreciate you guys. I'm not gonna song jam us out, but there will be song jam tomorrow. Tomorrow. It's our last show of the week. Cool, Matt. Thank you, Landy. Monica, appreciate
[1:49:37] Kool @koolcryptovc: you. Play the song, bro. Play the song. Play the song, bro.
[1:49:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: You really want me to play the song. Okay. Hold on a second.
[1:49:44] Kool @koolcryptovc: Play the song, bro. Play the song. You
[1:49:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: really liked it. Like, that shit was fire. Let's be serious. That shit really was fire. Okay. Hold on. We... It should be joining in a second. There we go. DJ. Oh, come on. Don't do me like this now, SongJam DJ. Where you at? Hold on. Maybe if I refresh this page, let me just copy the URL. Oh, there it is. Okay. Perfect. Here we go. SongJam DJ has been accepted. Guys, enjoy the outro. Ben, Ara, appreciate you guys. Shout out to the Talos Labs. Whole fam, Koma, thank you. Amazing questions. Brad, Moni, thank you for setting this up. Samara, Avi, let's chat at song gen dot space. Ladies and gentlemen, we are out. We'll see y'all tomorrow. Peace.
[1:50:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: Give it a second.
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