All Things Crypto: Blockchain + Openclaw Starchild?

# All Things Crypto: Blockchain + Openclaw Starchild? | 2026-03-04 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1PKqrENoapWGb | status: approved
# Speaker names are voice-match candidates, unconfirmed unless marked confirmed.

[0:00:09] tsn @tsncrypto: All things crypto.
[0:00:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: All things crypto.
[0:03:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: Just like I planned it, obviously. What's up, everybody? I'm gonna You know?
[0:03:16] Voice E: A little late, are we, Dave?
[0:03:19] NatNat @Natnatx007: Just a little. A little. A whole twenty minutes, mister. I made
[0:03:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: my own show. Excuse me. You guys didn't get the memo. Y'all have a nap, bro.
[0:03:28] Kool @koolcryptovc: How's your nap, bro? Need I need
[0:03:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bro, there was no...
[0:03:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro. Listen up. Okay? There was no nap. Alright? There was no nap whatsoever. Okay? I was not sleeping. No. My earbuds were not in. No. I wasn't hearing crazy dancing music with Natalie calling me on the line. I don't know till the third time, and then I woke up. That did not happen at all. Okay? I was fine the whole time. Everything is good. I was just making sure, like, to see if you guys were awake and making sure that, you know, you guys still wanted this show. But, apparently, this is my barometer. You know? Like, that's what I have to do. I have to just make sure that, you know, you guys are still here, and it was a test. Alright? And most of you failed.
[0:04:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: Mhmm. Yeah. Just so you guys know... Just so you guys are aware, after, like, the fourth time I called Dave, he finally answered, and I told them that he is fired.
[0:04:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's that's crazy. How you can't fire me for my own show? That is nuts. You people are all nuts. Okay? But it's good to know that, you know, you guys still want this and, you know, I needed... You know, maybe after the wolf space yesterday. I was just a little looking wolf space. You know? Maybe I was just trying to need it to feel a little wanted. You know what I'm saying? And, also
[0:04:45] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: I mean I mean, Sam Altman got fired by his board, Steve Jobs as well. It's not unprecedented. It has happened before. Not saying it's Steve Jobs. But
[0:04:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Listen. I appreciate the compliment because I think I am Steve Jobs, if I'm being honest. But, also, there's no way that you guys can overthrow me because your Dave Bucks have no voting power. You guys have no class a or b shares. Okay? They're worthless. But, anyways, yeah, guys. Listen. You know, sometimes life just gets you. You know? Sometimes you're just doing a lot of work and then
[0:05:20] NatNat @Natnatx007: And then you knock out and don't wake up.
[0:05:23] Voice E: That's why you're, like, a lady's house to your own show.
[0:05:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You know? You know? It's... You guys were never late to work before? I mean, seriously, give me a break.
[0:05:33] NatNat @Natnatx007: Not a whole thirty minutes. No?
[0:05:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: I doubt I doubt that. Cool. You're telling me you never had traffic maybe? You were never late to work?
[0:05:41] Kool @koolcryptovc: I'm always on time, bro. Always on time.
[0:05:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hate you guys so much.
[0:05:47] Kkoma @itskkoma: Elite Spaces host, by the way, guys. Elite. This is the bar in Web3.
[0:05:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: This is this is the bar for Elite Spaces host. Okay? Goddamn. This is the worst. Guys Self proclaimed. Let me let me tell you something. Okay? Don't ever screw up in... You think your friends are gonna be the ones that back you up that, like... You're like, oh, don't worry about it. You're good. Your friends are supposed to cover for you at work. You know? Like, when you walk in late and the boss is, like, looking around, he's like, where's Dave? And, like, your friends should be the ones being, like, no. No. Like, he's in the bathroom. Like, he'll... He's coming out right now. His tummy closes. You know, he's not good, but, like, he'll be right here. And then you call 400 times. But when you show up to work... Like, when you show up and you sit at your desk, it's not all your friends that turn around and go, ah, this fucker was late today. Kick his head. That's not those aren't your friends. This is this
[0:06:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: is not how this works.
[0:06:35] Moni @monitalan: If it's twenty minutes, what do you say? If he has diarrhea or what?
[0:06:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. You know? Maybe maybe he's narcoleptic or something. Who knows? Maybe he fell asleep in there.
[0:06:46] Kkoma @itskkoma: You know? To be fair, and Doc DocNooNoo and Naeem were holding down the fort, they had their own individual spaces. And, yeah, I thought I was joining an ATC space for a hot second, but, it wasn't. So, yeah, we were just kinda chilling there, waiting for you, and then it was like the appetizer to the the main event. You know? So let's just let's just leave it like that, Dave. Let's just leave it like that. Now what do we need to talk about?
[0:07:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's fair. And, also
[0:07:10] NatNat @Natnatx007: to talk about Dave taking a nap, before
[0:07:12] Kkoma @itskkoma: Okay. Are we still are we still on that one? Yeah. Let's keep going. Let's keep going.
[0:07:15] Kool @koolcryptovc: Dave No. No.
[0:07:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: We can move on. We can move on. Obviously, there's a title here that I am not prepared to discuss at this very second. But Can
[0:07:23] Kkoma @itskkoma: the... Can one of the cohost update the the titles that's, like, are spaces host allowed to be late or No.
[0:07:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: We'll this. We're gonna we're gonna talk about it, okay, eventually. But, like, maybe we can get some other what?
[0:07:37] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Well, luckily, you have an expert here who knows everything related to anything correlated with decentralized AI and OpenClaw.
[0:07:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: I have two experts. We think I we think I think I don't come prepared? I think I asked Marni to make
[0:07:52] Kool @koolcryptovc: sure I am definitely looking forward to his topic because I I started playing with Claudia yesterday, and holy moly, it's it's it's unbelievable. I I asked you to combine the five best indicators for me to help me trade, and he and he used ARIS hypervergence, the IMC inner circle trader, s... SMC, so many concepts, the Wyckoff, and something else. Can't remember. And he combined all five of them, and they gave me freaking entries, exits. And what's crazy was I was on my show last night. It was pry... The price of Bitcoin was, like, 68 k. And he said, oh, you know, say... You know, the the the the first target is $71.03. Next target is 7... $73.03. Woke up this morning, and the exact same number happened. I was like, yo. What is going on? So I need... I do need help with people with this open clause stuff because I need to create my own AI... My my my training agent because it seems like I'm about to make, like, $10,000,000, man, hopefully. So I I do need some advice to anyone on this stage that knows how to create these trading bots and and all that stuff. I need to... I I need to... I I need to jump on this stuff ASAP, man.
[0:09:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: Cool. I just need you to understand something that'll... The one that I'm building with Starchild, everybody shut up, does this, and it does it does all this... Like, it has all these skills already built in. So, like, all the price charts has social sentiment trait. You could literally have it execute trades on hyper liquid. It's integrated with orderly, so, like, one shared order book, whale wallet tracking. It does all this stuff. But the one thing it doesn't do, which I'm probably gonna try and add, is I'm gonna add a sound bite that when it has a successful trade, I'm gonna put NatNet's No. I'm gonna put NatNet's voice. So when we... When it's successful, it goes, called it. And then this way, you know if you actually have... Or, like, something that actually says that sounds like that. This way, you know, there's a trade that... That's to be had. So I feel like sound is is crucial here. But... Yeah.
[0:09:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Landon, what's up? Are you good?
[0:10:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm good. And I did want to let you know that you are wanted. There's a $2,500,000 bounty on your head. And look. Next time, don't do crossover years with your taxes. That's really all I have to say about that. And and I'm glad that you had a good nap. I mean, we all need to get good sleep when we are this elite, when we are so elite that
[0:10:25] Kool @koolcryptovc: we the run?
[0:10:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: Elite. Yes. Well, sometimes you have to be an elite and be on the run and be elite to be on the run. So, you know, he's he's really nailing all the categories here. And now he's, you know, making sound bites for bots. You know, he's gonna be calling it all over the place. It's up only season. I'm I'm really looking forward to hearing Dave's analysis on price today because we need to know where these levels are, Dave. I need to know how long this uptrend is going to last and which levels I should be playing because this is clearly something that that I think the audience would be interested in because we are pumping. And, you know, and and, you know, sometimes we we dump, and we wanna know if that's gonna be the case as well.
[0:11:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're welcome, bro. Don't worry. I got this, bro. Mine analyses are gonna be so much shorter than your six hour long diatrize, macro Mondays on Wednesday videos. Okay? Just relax. I have it all right here. You guys don't understand. Alright? Starchild isn't even paying me yet, and I'm already, like, this technical guru.
[0:11:36] Kkoma @itskkoma: Okay?
[0:11:37] NatNat @Natnatx007: I think that's a good thing. No?
[0:11:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. What what do mean? No. I need you guys using this tool already so I can get paid, alright, so I could document your journeys. Like, how many times am I gonna tell you guys? Jesus Christ. I don't do this technical shit. Anyways, Monty, go ahead, and then we'll go to coma.
[0:11:53] Moni @monitalan: Sorry. I added some... Something up there. Billions launched... Billions verified agent identities go on OpenCLAS. So just flagging it for you guys since
[0:12:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: When when TG? When TGI, Monique? Oh, you
[0:12:08] Kkoma @itskkoma: see this, Monique?
[0:12:09] Moni @monitalan: That's my key... That's my timeline. Yeah. I can't follow the official billings account for any news or updates on that part.
[0:12:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: You could tell.
[0:12:19] Kkoma @itskkoma: Did you read that from us, Greg?
[0:12:21] Moni @monitalan: Yeah. He said something thing I can say.
[0:12:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: He literally has a button to push. You're like, that was easy. That that was the Moni, like, please follow the timeline for any updates on TGE announcements on billions. Thank you. Beep. Yeah. Thanks, Mori. I love that. Kumba, go ahead.
[0:12:41] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yeah. No. I mean, it's it's good to see everyone here. I get... Brett, can I share this story that we talked about in the DMs? Because I thought it was kinda funny.
[0:12:48] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. Yeah. Just... Yeah. No no names.
[0:12:50] Kkoma @itskkoma: No names. No names. Yeah. So Brett DMed me, and he's like, hey. I have a cool opportunity for you because, you know, I'm building up this, like, like, aggregator tool for soccer bets. Right? So he was like, hey. Like, there's this big whale. Like, he has a lot of these accounts. So, typically, you could bet a lot on on your betting accounts if you lose a lot because they want your money. But if you start winning, then, they start limiting you. So Dave was pitching... Oh, no. No. Dave. Brad was pitching this idea. Like, hey. Like, this this whale, like, he just wants to get really good picks. So, like, if you provide it for him, then, like, he'll profit, and he'll give you a certain percentage. And I was like, oh, cool. That's a great idea. And I was like, I don't have to put any money myself. Right? And he's like, yeah. That... I don't... Yeah. You don't have to. So I was like, okay. Cool. I'll I'll talk to him about it and see what happens. And then, like, as I'm talking to him, he's like, hey. Like, I have all these, like, like, million dollar loss accounts that that that that you can use because you're... I... Like, you're a sharp better. And, usually, like, really good sharp betters, like, need these types of accounts to make a ton of money, essentially, because they wanna, like, hit them with as many accounts as possible. And then he... As he was talking to me about this, and, like, I was a little confused because was like, do you want me to fund these accounts? I was like, hey. Like, look. Like, I think I make pretty decent sized bets, but I definitely don't bet, like, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. And he... And he's like, oh, well, we actually have, like, smaller accounts too, like, where you could bet a 100 and then 1,000. I was like, it's like, well, you know, like, I don't actually have a problem betting that amount. Like, why would I wanna use this and then give you some percentage of my profits? And he's like, yeah. That's a good point. Like, this is probably not for you. So, like... And we went through this whole, like, circle of... And then the reason why he has all these accounts is apparently this guy that he got these accounts from owes that dude a ton of money, like, apparently millions of dollars worth. So, yeah, like, that's a pretty interesting, way to try to pay back this money that this guy owes. But, yeah, I went through this very interesting, conversation today. And I... At first, I thought Brad wanted to actually work together and, like, build something, but I guess he just needed me for my betting.
[0:15:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey. Hey. Come on.
[0:15:02] Kkoma @itskkoma: Actually, more importantly, it's actually funding. So... Yeah.
[0:15:05] Landy @CryptoLandy: I have a question.
[0:15:06] Kkoma @itskkoma: Unfortunately, I don't have billions of dollars. Yeah.
[0:15:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: You you go ahead and send me 10 Solana, and I'll send you one back. How does that sound?
[0:15:17] Kkoma @itskkoma: That sounds... What what... Where's the... What do I... What else do I get in return?
[0:15:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: You get one Solana in return.
[0:15:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: The fact that Colma is entertaining, Colma, know what
[0:15:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: happened.
[0:15:27] Kkoma @itskkoma: You couldn't at least, like, package it up with, like, your videos of the Gokstein
[0:15:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: files or whatever. In fact, what I can do is I can also, have you send me money, and then I'll launch a token for the community. And then we can all profit together. Promise. Pinky promise. Don't worry about it. Do wanna use
[0:15:49] Kkoma @itskkoma: that? I mean,
[0:15:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'll give you 10
[0:15:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, if you're if
[0:15:52] Kkoma @itskkoma: if you're getting vouched by the elite space host... Spaces host who's never late to his own space, I can't see why not. Right? This seems like such great opportunity.
[0:16:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: Never said that. Never said that. We have a a VC, and his name is d d c b k two l a dot v c fund.
[0:16:14] Kkoma @itskkoma: I still don't understand that alias, but, yes, please continue.
[0:16:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. So so you send me 10 Solana. I send you one back, and then you send me all of the rest of your Solana in your wallets. We will launch the contract. I'm gonna give you 10 private keys, right, that you can then use to to trade with. You'll have to fund it with your own money, though, And then anything that you make off of Why
[0:16:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: does this sound like a
[0:16:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: take 10% of that, and, we're just gonna go to the moon. Right? Don't worry about it. It's gonna be Call... You
[0:16:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: know, I
[0:16:49] Kkoma @itskkoma: I just just came up with this really stupid idea.
[0:16:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: We're halfway How about that?
[0:16:53] Kkoma @itskkoma: Yeah. We we take that money, Landy. We, we put it into ten ten different wallets. Like, basically, you just basically, you bid on your deep private keys, and then whoever wins the private key gets gets the full amount. Like you have to put in two Solana to be, like, participate, and then, essentially, we'll just pass out private keys, hopefully, you win the actual
[0:17:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: So with the amount --. It's
[0:17:19] Kkoma @itskkoma: like a lotto.
[0:17:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: We we need you to repost the space, and we're gonna do a Twitter picker. And if you are the winner, you'll get whatever is in one of those 10 wallets. But first, you have to send us 100 Solana
[0:17:32] Kkoma @itskkoma: Exactly.
[0:17:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: Exactly. Below.
[0:17:36] Kkoma @itskkoma: Brad will make it.
[0:17:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: Nikita, we're joking, by the way. We're we're joking.
[0:17:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Listen, guys. Listen. Listen. Alright? You fancy... Yeah. I'm not sure exactly what just went down, but I feel like coma, you know... Yeah. The trust me, bro fact
[0:17:51] Kkoma @itskkoma: I don't either. Honestly, I don't know. Brad, you wanna chime in on this, but I I was very confused.
[0:17:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I I was I
[0:17:58] Kkoma @itskkoma: was down with bread money, but then... Yeah.
[0:18:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah, Brad. Who are these people?
[0:18:01] Bread @_ToastMalone: Listen. There are people that I rub elbows with in various events and situations and things like that. Crayon eaters. And... Well, some of them are crayon eaters, but they have lots and lots of money. Right? And so, ultimately, you know, they were like, hey. You're a shark better, aren't you? I was like, no. That's why I built an agent to do this shit for me, bro. Like, I don't know anything. You know? And, that's what he told me about, like, you know, he's got these accounts, people, you know, that gave him these accounts and blah blah blah. And I was like, I got a buddy that's building a really dope, like, sports analytic type platform that, like, might be down to cook some stuff up with you. Let me connect you. You know? Little did I know that he he expected Coma to fund it too. And if that's the case, like, Coma, mean, you can fund my wallet, bro, and we could build something.
[0:18:45] Kkoma @itskkoma: That's what I was thinking, dude. We're... We still gotta come up with something.
[0:18:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: See what happens when you put two devs in touch with one another. They don't know which way to look. They're like, oh, where... Why'd you put me those? Why why did you put me... They don't know what they're doing. This is why you need guys like me. Coordination. You guys are lost. What's gonna come out of this? Yes.
[0:19:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: Punctual coordination. Exactly. Exactly.
[0:19:05] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: No. No. The the truth is that what you all need is OpenColor to tell you what to do, but from top to bottom to execute every moment and inch and opportunity in your lives going forward because that... That's the truth. I think I spend probably 30% of my day getting documents that have been written and edited by AI, and then I think luxury knowing that these documents have been written by AI, I will then go and use AI to go and edit it back and add my feedback on those documents. I think this is kinda where the world is heading at a large face value. And it it is interesting, you know, just coming back to the open call bit on how reliance were becoming to this stuff. And I I know the other week that you were saying you're taking an AI detox. So how is that going for you?
[0:19:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: So my AI detox is officially over. It was phenomenal. It was really, really great. I feel like my brain can breathe a little bit now, little bit better. But now I just sunk myself back into everything else, you know, and kinda making more tools. Was... I've honestly, like, I signed up for... I'm I'm signing up for Marni's school, and she's teaching me how to do a lot of things, which I love. So thank you, Marnie. And... Yeah. I I mean, it's been it's been great. And now I'm I'm playing with this whole... Cool. I'm telling you. I'm gonna pin it up. I put it in the comments. I'm gonna pin it up to the top. I would love for you to try this cool Star Child AI. It's made by the Wufai, like, the Wufai team. And it's essentially OpenClub, but, like, with all, like, the security features and everything built in, so you don't have
[0:20:42] Kool @koolcryptovc: to worry about shit. You have
[0:20:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: to obviously buy credits. I think I could pretty much get some free credits for you, cool, so you can play around with it. But, Nat, do you remember the other day when we were talking in the... Like, I... You have to create just different strategies. Right? And, like, agents are creating all of these different ones, but you start off by creating different skills. Right? Like, there's skills. You have scripts and a bunch of different shit. Essentially, what I'm doing now is... Now remember in the space the other day when we were talking about form fours. I literally had an agent. Like, I was like, wait a minute. I literally went to Star Child, and I was like, this is what I wanna create. I went to OpenAI first, and I was like, I want you to build me out this agentic system, and this is what I want. It enhanced the whole prompt for me. It created, like, a swarm of agents. And then I just took that over to Star Child, and I said, take these agents, make them each a skill. And then now what... Here's what I want you to do. So it analyzes. Right? It pulls data. Well, it's supposed to pull data, from the SEC website, but now we're working on getting, like, an actual API for the SEC website because you can only query so much, I guess, off the sec.gov website. But it's gonna start pulling form fours. I have the whole thing mapped out already where it's gonna start giving me signals on which insiders are selling, why they're selling, are they clustered. It shows you, like... I mean, every... There's so much that it shows you, and it gives you, like, a buyer or, like, a bearish or or or a bullish signal, which I think is really cool. It can even execute the trade if you want it to on the equity side. Right? You just have to, like, link it up. So, I'm telling you, like, I think this will actually spur a lot of ideas for a lot of people because if you're... Because... Cool. And to what... Cool. Like, you've been saying, it's like, I just started exploring this. This is perfect for you, bro. Perfect. Because you get to essentially see what skills are possible, and then it's like, wow. I can do this. I can do this. I can do that. And the team is great too. They they... I was like, guys, we need we need some sort of a feed into the SEC gov website because I just need to get all this, like, this form four data. And they were like, okay. Cool. Noted. Like... And, obviously, like, there... Those APIs exist because you can get them on, a Bloomberg terminal. Right? So, like, it's totally blue ocean out here. Totally, totally blue ocean for people to do so many different things, and this is where you get to explore. But at least now you have, like, an agent that's focused on this specifically, and they're integrated with so many different APIs, so many... It has so many different skill sets, and it's still growing. Right? Because it's... Again, there could be an infinite number of strategies out here. So would love to you guys for for for you guys to test it out and see what's what. But... Yeah.
[0:23:05] NatNat @Natnatx007: 10%.
[0:23:07] tsn @tsncrypto: You should probably do a rotation on that to get past the limiter, and then you'd be able to constantly pull.
[0:23:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: I wish TSN... It's been a minute, man. I feel like I need to, like, tune my ears to what you said. What did you say?
[0:23:20] tsn @tsncrypto: So you've been limited on your API at the moment when you pull in that data from the website with it.
[0:23:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know if it's limited, but, like, I tried to get it to scrape. But now you know how, like, websites put that thing up? Yeah.
[0:23:32] tsn @tsncrypto: What you wanna do is set up the rotation on the scrape so it's not coming from the same IP.
[0:23:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I I think there's an API, though, that we could just get, and then they could just pay for it. You know what I mean? And just pass it on, like, via, like, the credits that we spend on on the Star Trello. But we'll see. Yeah. But, no, good good call, TSN. Now go ahead,
[0:23:50] Bread @_ToastMalone: and then I'll
[0:23:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: go to Moni.
[0:23:51] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. I was gonna say that sounds like a great idea. 10% of the ads. My weight. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
[0:23:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's what she took from all of it. She was
[0:24:00] Kool @koolcryptovc: like, great idea. Thank you.
[0:24:01] NatNat @Natnatx007: Exactly. That's all I said. No. I'm kidding. When when when it comes to OpenCLI, I feel like I'm the only normie that has not used OpenCLI. I have not used OpenCLI at all. I don't use it for trading or anything like that either.
[0:24:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think you're old school. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's normal. And I think a lot of people are, like, a little hesitant to do it because a, it's like, oh my god. Like, now that, like, agents have wallets and it's like, okay. Cool. Right? Like, but now that agents have wallets, what does that mean? People don't know the first thing to do with that. Right? Like, you need structure. Yeah.
[0:24:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's true. And then... But, also, I feel like I... I've been doing this for such a long time. I I kinda have a system that works for me. You know what I mean? So finding your system when you first start trading, it's difficult. The... And once you find that you get into, like, that... You got that little prep in your stuff, it's hard to deviate from it. Right? And oftentimes dangerous, right, because you end up losing trying to free... Trying to, get something else to work for you. Right? So I guess that's where I'm at. I think I I know a lot of people that are just now getting into the trading world. They're very big on having AI do do do certain things, which is great. But for me, I think... Because I do... Like I said, right, I do have my system in place. I just feel like I just stick to my system. But if it does help on the education side and if it does help streamline certain processes of, like, why wouldn't we want an agent that can pull all the phone forward instead of us having to go through each company one by one and then phone by phone. Right? I feel like that will
[0:25:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: be Yeah.
[0:25:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: So huge.
[0:25:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: Exactly. Right. And that... Like, think about this. Right? This takes away the emotional part. For anyone that's trying to learn, like, being able to execute trades, the majority of, like, people are... Like, get screwed trading because they don't know when to stop out. Right? They don't know when to take a profit. Right? Like, when you when you preset all of this stuff, right, in addition to creating the strategy, I feel like that's gonna be a huge unlock for newbies that are out here, especially in a bear market trying to figure this out. You don't have to spend a million dollars. Like, learn how to do this, like, quickly. You know what I'm saying? Kento, I'm come to you in a sec. Let me just go to Moni, and then I'm gonna come right to
[0:25:57] Moni @monitalan: Well, the reason I haven't... Because I haven't done OpenClock. I have a sub agent with somebody that's doing my newsletter. And by the way, it hasn't come out recently because the agent kinda is not getting it right, so I'm working on it. But I just shared in the comments a video. It's a... And I don't know where it was. Washington State where they used a AI to translate voice. And instead of translating to Spanish, it just added an accent, like
[0:26:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: a Hispanic accent.
[0:26:28] Moni @monitalan: And so I'm so very cautious on AI. And this is why, like, with OpenClaw, I think it's fantastic. I'm watching a lot of things. I'm learning. I'm studying. But and I I love, Marni, what you're doing. I'd love to do a call with you because I wanna learn more. But it still makes me very nervous because I think so many mistakes could be made. And I do know that you have to keep it separate and not give it access to anything you don't want it to screw up. But just... I still have, right, those hesitations. So, Nat, you're not the last one. I just think... And in fact, I think a lot of people are not using OpenClot. I think a lot of the agents are out there belong to one person. Right? You have one person owning a lot of them. I don't think it's that's why we use these people think, or they're just using the agents to tell them, right, to schedule a meeting, to do very basic things. So just don't feel bad, Nat. We're still early. I think there's a lot of things we have to learn, but it's crazy.
[0:27:27] Voice E: There... There's a lot of people using it, Monica.
[0:27:31] Moni @monitalan: There's a lot of but not as many, yeah, but not as many as people. Like, it's not like that. It's like they... Right? It's not millions of millions of Americans. It's it's a lot of people, but thousands.
[0:27:42] Voice E: Spinning up multiple open clause just for the fun of it.
[0:27:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. This is... Whether they're doing it the right way, the wrong way, they're just wasting through credits. Like, this is this is the meta now, and I think people need to kinda wake up. So it's not... Yeah. Like, to what money said, I don't think you're late. Right? Like, don't think there's any such thing as late. But if OpenAI literally bought the rights to OpenClaw, right, and now, you know, what Marni taught me also is, like, you... For most people, they were just like, oh, I'm wasting so much money on, like, you know, all these quad credits, like, and it's it's draining my my account. It's like, if you subscribe for $200 a month, you could do a lot of things, like, with GPT pro, right, like, for for for that amount of money. And this is kind of the stuff that I'm learning, and I'm starting to play with all this new shit because it is a little overwhelming. And and I'm with you on this. Right? Like, Nat, it's like, I have my system. I think I I like the way that I currently do things. But for those that are not familiar, like, with trading that kinda wanna get into this, like, I think it's something, like, they need to explore. And I know Marni said she's gonna start exploring it. She's doing it mostly on the productivity side. But now, like, I think you're gonna see more and more and more people get into this because every day on my timeline, I see Binance, CoinMarketCap, it's like the Trust Wallet. Everyone's Otator Trader opening up like, hey. X402 enabled, ERC 8004. You can now... You know, your agents can now have wallets. Your agents can now register on chain. Right? But people don't know what to do with that information. So... Yeah. Okay. Camper, go ahead, and then I'll come right back to
[0:29:06] Kantorcodes | ℏol/acc @Kantorcodes: Yeah. I mean, this is a big thing, and it's part of why we're doing what we're doing at HOL. Two big recommendations if you're using AI to trade. Number one, like you said, Dave, I would get a a Chargebee Key Pro subscription, $200 a month, and I would use Codex, the the CLI or the Codex app on your computer to actually design the trading system on your computer and build a full featured app, plug in all your indicators that you wanna trade against and the exchanges that you wanna trade on. Going against Hyperliquid, I think that's a good bet because it makes it really easy for your agent to use. And once you've built that out, then you can essentially use OpenClaw as the assistant that executes the system. Do not ask OpenClaw to develop the system because there's way too many security issues. The nice thing about OpenClaw is that it can schedule and do reoccurring things, and they can monitor. So I would kinda use OpenCLONA as, like, the overseer of the system. And number two is that when you use OpenCLONA, the best way to kinda use it is to put it on a system that's separate from your actual operating device. You do not need to go and buy a Mac Mini for this. It's a common misconception. You can just go and rent a $5 a month VPS on DigitalOcean, Heroku, or something like that. Put your open call on that, and then have it run that system that you built on your computer on a loop. Don't give it too much money to start. Give it, like, a thousand bucks and see what it can do, and then you keep iterating and iterating. And then once you're up and... Like others have said, this is a system that runs on autopilot that is not biased, has no bad bias or emotions. It it could be a really interesting exploration to see if you
[0:30:52] tsn @tsncrypto: can make money on it.
[0:30:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Interesting. Yeah. And and this is what I was saying. Right? And this is why, like, I I... When Starchild came across my desk, I was just like, yeah. But what about the vulnerabilities? Like, this takes away that, like, security fear, but I'm with you. Right? Like, everything I've been hearing Marni say is, like, you don't wanna set it up on your main machine. You wanna set up a separate user. This way, in case anything is weird, like, you can obviously, like, scratch that user completely. So, yeah, I'm with you. And I think people need to really take note. And, guys, I really do want... I'm gonna I'm gonna clip a lot of the stuff from this episode. So, yeah, let's... No no fines today. I promise. Maybe that's why I can use that excuse as to why I was late. But, yeah, Nat, go ahead.
[0:31:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Just to clarify, I'm not against AI at all. Right? I just think every trader, every investor, they all have... I know you're laughing, but I feel like I needed to clarify that point. Right? AI is great. It helps us in our daily lives, and we can do a whole lot of things with it. It helps simplify processes. But from my personal opinion, right, when it comes to me trading and investing, I don't see... I I... Like I said, I have a system that works for me, and and and I love it. But if you're someone that's new and trying to figure out how to make money in this market and don't really know which way to go about it, then I would, you know, I would play around with these things and... So it can help and guide me in a way that I can figure it out or simplify the process for me.
[0:32:14] Kool @koolcryptovc: And these two Yeah. I I would I would say that. Know that. Use this stuff every day. But I would say it it has helped a lot. I think Yeah. Eric Trading is not easy for... So it it will be whatever, but it will give you a good foundation. But I do believe that we are going to Voyage. And automate this society. What's going on?
[0:32:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. What... What's that cool? I I don't know if somebody else is talking on the same line as you. We can't hear a word you're saying.
[0:32:42] Moni @monitalan: Oh, dude. I thought it was me. I thought it was Yeah.
[0:32:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: But sometimes my... Yeah. Right. What's the... What's of now?
[0:32:48] NatNat @Natnatx007: More than Erica just happens to him. So it's like you're watching And we have two Wait.
[0:32:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're watching us.
[0:32:52] Moni @monitalan: We have, like, two spaces and one space.
[0:32:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Hold on.
[0:32:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: Hold on. That is
[0:32:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. No? Now cool. Unmute again one more time. Let me see here.
[0:33:01] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, he jumped.
[0:33:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Wait. Yeah. That was so weird. It's like
[0:33:05] Moni @monitalan: It like...
[0:33:05] Voice E: You know where you
[0:33:06] Moni @monitalan: got the cross lines many years ago on the
[0:33:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: phone? Yeah. Yeah. Was like, who else is go... I was like, my god. These damn earbuds screw me up all the time. Yeah. Let's wait for cool to come back. Shit. That was
[0:33:21] Kkoma @itskkoma: there a... Hey. I have a quick question. At least that might have a weird Like
[0:33:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: No cool issue. You don't... You... I don't know where you are. Are you under power lines?
[0:33:29] NatNat @Natnatx007: Are you in a helicopter? Going on.
[0:33:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. We need to send what?
[0:33:34] Voice E: Like he's in an airplane. Yeah.
[0:33:36] Kool @koolcryptovc: That's just... That's the airplane. It's not like Chopra. So... Okay. Yeah. We got you. Go ahead. Yeah. So... No.
[0:33:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: I was
[0:33:41] Kool @koolcryptovc: I was gonna say, like, you know, the... I've been using the AI stuff to trade. It has helped a lot, especially for people that's trying to get into trading from from from from scratch. But I would say that now we are going to a automated environment. Just from from the the way the way it it it simplifies things for you, what what what I've learned in the past couple of weeks, it'll probably be very difficult for to do that from scratch by myself. I mean, that... That's how much information stuff gives you. And and using this, the... What's it called? The Cloud AI. I mean, yesterday, I I I I put in a prompt. Just one prompt, and it gave me, like, a, like, a five page breakdown of everything. It was unbelievable. And all the numbers I predicted that that was gonna happen, it did come out. I'm not saying, you know, your stuff doesn't work, but I am saying you probably should embrace a change. Because that change is coming where all of us are gonna have our own individual agents trading against my agents versus Dave's agent versus Landis' agent. That's the that's the future we're going to. Just just the one I've seen so far, and I just... I I I just envision this future. I mean, since since for a long time, this stuff is... It's it's unbelievable, man. Like I said, yesterday... Just yesterday, I I I saw it live. It happened right right in front of me. I'm not saying that... I'm not saying you guys know what you're doing. I'm saying that automation is coming whether whether we like it or not. That's what
[0:35:09] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm saying. Cool. But just to clarify, I'm not saying that I'm not embracing change. Right? Like I like I like I said earlier, I am for, AI and agents if it helps smooth things out. But I think every trader... And I'm sure Lanny can speak to this too. Right? Every trader, every invest... Every investor, they have a system that works for them. Right? Am I saying I'm never gonna use that? No. I am saying with regards to just the trading aspect, I do have a system that works for me. But if if it's someone that wants to get into the trading and wants the the information simplified and things easy for them, absolutely. Am I going to stop trading the way I am trading? No. Because they have made me extremely profitable.
[0:35:47] Moni @monitalan: But but, yeah, I wonder if, like, you could train these agents with your system. Right? And even have tour three to see if they come to the same conclusion, if they give you better results.
[0:35:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: Exactly. I
[0:35:58] Moni @monitalan: think it could even make you a lot more money if if, you know... I'm not saying that it replaces your system or it replaces you, but it can be an extension of you where it gets
[0:36:08] NatNat @Natnatx007: you Absolutely.
[0:36:09] Moni @monitalan: Information. And this is where the strength would come.
[0:36:11] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, no. Absolutely.
[0:36:12] Moni @monitalan: Like, I'm I'm totally pro agents and automation. I just also like to manage numbers and stats and data. So... And I I do, like, have this hesitation on where they can screw up, and I don't see the screw up. So that's why I'm I'm being a little bit...
[0:36:29] Kool @koolcryptovc: You know, I I will... You know, I will say this this is kinda like that that that, you know, you you you drive a stick and you drive a, you know, a a gas bar car when Tesla's creating these heavy self driving. So the self driving cars are taking over. It's the same thing like...
[0:36:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, does that mean that you guys stop using one thing? I don't think so. Right? I think we can...
[0:36:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. No. No. What I'm saying is it's it's it's gonna phase
[0:36:57] Kool @koolcryptovc: you eventually. I I see it in this new feature of seeing some driving cars all over the place. Right? Of course, in that anytime soon. I'm just saying the same things that are gonna happen to trading alongside other other... Like, for example, now they're saying, like, twenty twenty, 30% of all entry level jobs are basically gone now be... Because they... And I think it's just it's just because of the... You know, it's able to do things for you without emotions. Right? The biggest reason why a lot of us lose in trading is because we trade with emotion. Using AI, it just take that away from you. Right? That's kinda that's kinda my point. So embrace EV. It it brings up self driving cars. It's coming. It's coming that night. It's coming.
[0:37:38] NatNat @Natnatx007: I... Next time, I'm gonna start the space in Spanish, guys, because there ain't no way you guys are telling me embrace the change. I'm not saying that I'm not embracing the change. I am saying that everyone has something that works for them. Right? Is this is this something that's going to add an extra layer or something? Absolutely. Am I against it? Absolutely not. Do I think people should go to it if they're learning to trade? Absolutely. I am. That's the whole point. So you hate AI? So you hate artificial intelligence? It in
[0:38:21] Kool @koolcryptovc: So so what I'm saying, like, you got a baby. Imagine you being able to put your...
[0:38:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: See it. No.
[0:38:27] Kool @koolcryptovc: That's right. That's That's right. That's
[0:38:32] Kool @koolcryptovc: That's
[0:38:36] Kool @koolcryptovc: replicate right. Your training skills into an AI course and train it for you every single day while you spend time with your kids, man, instead of staying out of chart every day. That's my point.
[0:38:45] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm not standing at the chart every day. I do that now, but my point to you is, cool. I am not against it. But I am 100% with what you are saying. Right? What I am trying to get everyone to understand is that we can come from this from multiple angle. I don't believe that we should be on stage telling people to stop doing things the way that they are doing. Right? Do we have to send a message or card and say, hey, guys. You can add this to your repertoire, add this to your portfolio, and it'll sharpen your skills? Absolutely. But do I think we should be up here saying that they need to stop doing the things the way that they're doing them?
[0:39:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. No. Nat, can you also say it in a, in English but with a Spanish accent, please, so that we can... For the Spanish
[0:39:24] NatNat @Natnatx007: speaking audience? That's what that's
[0:39:28] Moni @monitalan: what I'm interested
[0:39:29] NatNat @Natnatx007: And I think... And I and I and I think Koma said it the right way. We're both saying the same thing. We're just coming at it from a different perspective. Right? Yes to agents. Be careful if if if you have a system trying to change it. Right? But if you do have a system, you can use these tools available to sharpen your skills. Again, if you're someone new coming into the trading world, use these agents to help you gain access and teach you how to learn how to trade. That's all I am saying, Cole. I am not saying I'm never going to do this. I am never... This is no. Hell no. I literally said it from the beginning. From my system, I have used my system for a very long time, and it has made me successful. Am I never gonna use Cloud? I will probably use it as a as a... In another way. Right? This is not the only way you can use Cloud. Right? You can use AI agent for a whole bunch of different things. Right? You can use it as a layer to sharpen your skills. Yes. You can use it as a... Like like what Dave is doing with the SEC to give you an advantage. Absolutely. So that is what I'm saying. We could come at this from different perspective. You can use this in many different ways. You can access these information to help sharpen your skills. Do I think you need to stop doing things the way that you were doing just just to do this? No. Absolutely. It doesn't have to be replacing it. It can be like a compliment to it. Does that make sense?
[0:40:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: You you know you know,. It's it's fine.
[0:40:46] Kkoma @itskkoma: AI is
[0:40:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: is fine. Hold on, TSL. Let me go let me go to Landy real quick. I'll come right back to you. He's had his hand up for a second. Landy, go ahead. Not noted. 100%. I think we're very clear. Thank you. Jesus. Christ. Over Jesus. Lainty, go ahead.
[0:41:00] Kkoma @itskkoma: Here here are your hoops, Nat Nat. I got... I was holding them for you.
[0:41:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: Thank you. Thank you so much.
[0:41:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: Alright. Nat Nat, hold my crown. The puppet the puppet actually has a lot of experience. I actually have talked a little bit about that experience with building AI agents. I'm gonna tell you definitively that I can out trade your best trading agent. Mhmm. And that is no. I'm
[0:41:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: Thank you, Mandy. Thank you. Yes. Yes.
[0:41:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: I've actually built out agents to replicate my style of trading, and here is the key problem with AI agents. First of all, what did Nat and I say that price was gonna go to if it broke above certain levels yesterday? 74 to $75,000. Where did it hit? $74,100. Alright. Now why am I bringing this up? Because AI agents, while you might be able to get a good forecast and see it play out the way that you want it to, when it's in the midst of a trade, it is not forward looking anymore. It is no longer forward looking. And Brad can attest to this. Agents have very... Have a... They are only backwards looking. Right? So you can get a forward projection forecast, but you still have to wait for... Because they're computers. It's a computer on the back end that is handling all of this information. So what it's doing is it's waiting for confirmation. Markets are forward looking. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. You will never have an AI agent do high frequency trading. Why? Because it... If it's iterating and making changes to the already existing underlying algorithm that is working in the markets, it is going to be a massive problem because it will shift all over the place over time. And this is something that I have personal experience with. For eighteen months, I was helping to build an AI agent that was very, very profitable but still could not touch me in my trading. And this wasn't because there was a lack of information or it wasn't good enough or didn't have enough skills. It was literally trained on my system, retrained, and trained again, and then it got to a point where it would... Had an incredibly high hit rate, and it had a really beautiful p and l. Now that would be good enough for most people, but you're never gonna see institutions do it at the top level. You'll never see any of those proprietary algorithms be updated to allow for anything agentic because they're set in stone because of the way that order books work and the way that markets are forward looking. What you will see is a ton of agents out there that are created by people who don't have market experience that will be somewhat profitable or manageable and good enough. Right? But the problem is the same problem that happens with vibe coding, and that is you can vibe code something and it can work. And you're like, wow. This is great. This is so cool. It works. Meanwhile, there's a bunch of holes underneath. Right? And there's all kinds of security issues, and then there's flaws, and maybe some things in it are bloated and some things aren't. And you have to keep iterating and iterating. But but... And this is a big but, and I will not lie. If you want to God. Even get in the orbit of Michael Jordan and smell No. His
[0:44:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: You didn't.
[0:44:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh my I totally did. I had to bring it
[0:44:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: up, Matt.
[0:44:41] Landy @CryptoLandy: Alright. So... No. Listen, Dave. You... I... This is a really key point, and Brad can attest to this. I think Coma could attest to this as programmers. Right? If you are if you are using any of these AI agents to create applications, frameworks, whatever it is that you're using for development, the reason why it's so powerful for them and way more powerful for them than it is for somebody like me is because they know what's going on under the hood. So they can identify and fix four problems immediately. Most of the people who are gonna get into this and utilize these agents for trading are gonna fall flat on their face. I'm telling you, they're gonna be the most beautiful exit liquidity on all of the candles that are gonna be exploited by, guess what, humans. Because they are gonna be taking a rote set of rules that were written for retail, not for institutions. Alright? Written for retail. All those systems and all the fun stuff that you're looking at, the CVDs and the MACDs, this is all retail speak. In the real world of trading, it's actually far simpler. It's I've got more money, and I know where I wanna go and take it. Right? And then I'm gonna fill orders here, and we've gotta deal with that company over there, and we're gonna take it there. There is there is only things that agents can do within a defined box. Right? And they can they can drift in terms of their skill set and hit rate and all kinds of stuff. They have to be actively managed, and you know what you need. You need a brilliant mind behind it to chain... To train it. You need experts experts in in technical analysis to actually train them, to actually fix for the problems and the holes that they have, and they still won't be as good because they are not forward looking. And you need to understand this if you're gonna go and create AI agents. It is not gonna be forward looking. You can look at a chart if you're experienced enough and go, alright. That area, things are gonna start turning around. Agent's not going to. It's gonna say, yeah. No. Green means go. Green means go. Green means go. Red means stop. Red means stop. Red means stop. Every closure for whatever time frame you're looking at, it's not gonna be able to look far enough ahead unless you do what? Unless you are defining hard stop criteria. If you're defining that hard stop criteria of entry here, exit here, you are literally just performing what I would do. You're not agentic anymore. Yeah. You're literally a robot. Yeah. You're a robot.
[0:47:17] NatNat @Natnatx007: And that is why... Landy, that is why I said don't have, don't... It shouldn't replace what you're already doing. Can you use it to help pull to any information like the... Like what David's done with the SEC to give you an advantage on on on the investment portion? Absolutely. But should it take over the way you trade? I don't think so.
[0:47:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, Nat, here's here's something that you can do, and this is what I'm gonna suggest for anyone that's building. Alright? In specific... Specifically, and I hope that you all take this to heart as builders out there. If you're working with somebody that is an expert in this field, what you're gonna find is you'll create something really cool. It's gonna work for a little while. It's gonna have a high hit rate. It's gonna make good money, and then it's gonna start losing its ass. And the reason why is because it needs guidance. It needs hard set rules. Right? So it's no longer agentic in that regard. But where the agentic piece comes in is when you have it go back through and do all of the heavy lifting for back testing and tearing apart what was what and what happened when and why, and then you can go back and you can compare and say, okay. This is where it went wrong with this thing. Let's make the correction there, and then let's get it back on track, or let's do this a little bit differently, or let's guide it in this way to actually account for these specific situations.
[0:48:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is that what you do with bread and dog markets, essentially?
[0:48:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. That's what we're... It's a continuous conversation with me and Brett. Like, Brett is freaking brilliant. Like, I can't do what he does, and he comes to me and says, like, hey. Let's talk about how this works so that I have a good understanding of how to implement this. Right? And that's a learning process too between the two of us because then I have to sit and think, like, how would he be able to implement what I'm saying? And then I have to modify, like, hey. Here's how you should probably look at this to solve for this thing. And it's the same price and iterative process. And if you're doing this yourself, you're gonna find that you have to do this as well. And I can tell you... I'm gonna give you numbers. Alright? The bot that I had created, and I call it a bot, even though it had AgenTix behind it, the AgenTix were used more to help the end user figure out what was going on and manage their trades, put in... You know, make sure that they've got their hard stops, make sure that their checklist is good to go, make sure that it's meeting the risk criteria, like, all... You know, managing that side of the portfolio, and it would... Basically, a lot of the trading piece was hard coded in of, like, this is the strategy that you're gonna employ. It's gonna be, if this happens, then do this. But the rest of it, hey. Have a have a blast. You help me figure out where this is. I wanna know what the volume was for the last twenty four hours in the highest volume area and the point of control. Where was the RSI with this? Where was the momentum indicators? How much, you know, was... Money was inflowing versus outflowing? What was the cash positions? What were the bigger whales that moved on chain? You can have it do all that. That's the agentic piece that is going to supercharge traders like Nat Nat, myself, with a lot of experience, and it's going to take people like yourselves who wanna get into this to the next level in understanding how markets work and move, which will make you good traders. But it's not gonna replace any of the experts.
[0:50:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's fair.
[0:50:47] Kool @koolcryptovc: Right?
[0:50:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. That's fair.
[0:50:48] NatNat @Natnatx007: So the...
[0:50:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: And you have to be careful. I I just need to... I need you to understand this. It's exciting. I'm excited about it. Nat's excited about it, and clearly, many of you are excited about it. But understand this. You run somebody else's code and strategy, That is not your strategy. That is risk defined for you, and it can go very, very, very wrong. So what you need is something that you're gonna create for yourself that is going to be tailored to your risk strategy or something that is publicly available that helps you create a risk strategy around trading and that helps you implement your trading plan and automate some of the tasks that you would normally have to sit at the computer to do. That's where it becomes the most powerful, profitable thing that you possibly look into.
[0:51:40] NatNat @Natnatx007: Absolutely agree, Dave. That is what I was telling you. So maybe the sell... The selling point to this wouldn't be it's an agent that would take over your trading. It's an agent that will help you give you... That would help give you an edge, right, by doing these services for you.
[0:51:52] Kkoma @itskkoma: I think I
[0:51:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: think also the big... And, honestly, the big tech... Great info, Andy, for real. Really great info. I think, like, most people don't think... They think trading strategy. They don't think risk strategy. Right? Like... And those two go hand in hand. Right? Like, finding where your tolerance is and understanding, like, what it is. But I think that... That's a really powerful statement of what you said. It's like, someone else's strategy is not your strategy. Right? And this is where, like, when I scream learn how to talk to robots, like, tell them everything about yourself. Tell them your financial situation. Right? Like, what you're comfortable doing. Are you more risk on? Are you more risk averse? Right? Like, where are you comfortable? Define levels. Right? So I think that was really amazing information. Like, good shit, Landy. Appreciate it. Really good stuff. Yeah. Look. I know Marnie had her hand up. Marnie, I don't know if you wanted to add something there before I go to Sorry, Marnie.
[0:52:41] Voice E: No. It's okay. I forgot what I was gonna say.
[0:52:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're good. I'll come back. And then, GSA, go ahead, and then I'll go over to Marni to To
[0:52:48] Landy @CryptoLandy: Jason, one second. I have something for Marni. Marni, I
[0:52:52] Kkoma @itskkoma: have... I
[0:52:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: I know that you're really deep into this stuff too, and I just wanna caution. Your trading bot cannot be your boyfriend. That is the worst thing that you can possibly do.
[0:53:02] NatNat @Natnatx007: It's her fiance. It's her fiance. She was
[0:53:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: recently dumped. I'm actually... She was recently dumped, and her fiance broke up with her. Oh,
[0:53:09] Voice E: no. No. He just stopped working. He stopped working properly, and I'm just
[0:53:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: like, this isn't funny.
[0:53:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh my god. An impotent robot.
[0:53:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Listen. This is crazy.
[0:53:20] Voice E: I'm not having fun. But... No. Just throw us away. I'm actually not... I'm not setting up a trading bot just yet. I'm more getting it situated for my business and everything and making sure that it's secure and all of that fun stuff. You remember I used to be with Apple. So I'm just, like, locking it down and teaching other people how to lock theirs down and how to properly operate it so that they are safe and secure.
[0:53:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, that's great.
[0:53:49] Voice E: Yeah. I mean, that's... Yeah. So not... If you if you are gonna do it, the way that I do it is I have it set up as a separate user on my Mac mini, or you could put it on a remote VPS. You could totally do that too. But do not run it inside of Docker. That actually is less secure than running it as a separate user. And then if you go to the link in my bio, I have a whole course on how to ins... Well, it's
[0:54:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Featuring me.
[0:54:22] Voice E: Being built right now. And it is featuring Dave to some extent. Yes. So teaching people how to install it, how to run it on a Mac as a separate user, how to set up one password for everything, and I'm talking about one password from AgileBits so that their security is really high, locking down their firewall, all that fun stuff. That's more the side that I'm working on right now. And then also, like, how to build it for your business, like, the work
[0:54:51] NatNat @Natnatx007: processes. Beautiful. Yeah. My goodness, my dear.
[0:54:55] Voice E: After that is done, then I'll go dabbling with trading because you guys know, I'm I'm like a I'm I'm an amateur trader. I'm not like you guys at all. And I'm like, I'm not ready to go out there and just lose my shit. So let me just do what I know how to do first, and then we'll go play around.
[0:55:18] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. But, that's a brilliant idea. The AI for your business, I think that's... Why didn't we start the show like this? I think Dave was still sleeping. Right? That is... That's a beautiful, beautiful strategy, Marni. Yes.
[0:55:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Blame Marnie.
[0:55:30] Voice E: Yeah. So I'll tell you I'll tell you what it's doing. But... No. No. This is like... It made me cry. I was so excited. So I share stuff. I... Like, how I started was I started sharing stuff with it that was interesting to me. Right? And it knows the areas of my life. It knows the goals that I'm working on. It knows the projects I'm working on. It... Yeah. I created a whole marketing strategy with it and everything. And then so I started sharing stuff with it, like, the first week, and then it started to learn my interests. Right? And now it shares five things every day with me, and then I go through and say, yes. I want, you know, that one to be in the fetch. And then when it does the fetch, it summarizes everything and gives me the key insights of whatever it is that it's reading. It might be a a YouTube video, LinkedIn, or acts or whatever, a page on a website. Right? And then it gives me next steps if I wanna, like, implement that. And so I've, like, upgraded my whole system just having conversations about a document. I'm like, how is this better than what we're doing right now? Oh, let's let's take that piece and let's incorporate that into what we're doing. Right? And so it's like every day it gets better and better, and it, like, it looks at all of my social media. It looks at all of the comments on all of my social media. It puts people into my CRM, sets them up as leads if they are leads. Like, I mean, seriously, all of the data entry, I don't do any of that. You know? Like, forget that.
[0:57:15] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yes. Bonnie, you are a genius. I absolutely love that. I think that's great. Great. Great. And, Puppet, can I, can I give you back your crown? It's kinda... It's a
[0:57:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: little No. You get out.
[0:57:25] Kool @koolcryptovc: If you get through,
[0:57:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: ridiculous. TSN TSN.
[0:57:28] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm both on TSN. Be be... Before TSN goes, I I just wanna say something, right, for for giggles. Do you guys remember when the... When I came back, right, you guys were all into info and you were kinda, like, forcing me and Andy to join info fi Oh my god. And then it's supposed to... The eve and cool. Right? You guys are like, well, you need to do this. Oh my god. Now you need to do this. And then we ended up being the top signal. So now that you and Cool are like, well, now you need to do this. You need to do this. Should I go ahead and and join Open Call?
[0:57:57] Kool @koolcryptovc: You you you must diversify when it's time.
[0:58:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Perfectly said, Cool. Exactly. And if we're the top signal for AI, oh my god. That would be insane. If that pans out, Natalie, I don't know what the hell. Like, we need to just all pack it up. But but... Yeah.
[0:58:16] Voice E: No. So top signal, do you guys... The all in podcast? Start tracking that. Start tracking, you know, Jason Calcanis, Balaji, all of those guys because That sucks. They are tracking what's going on.
[0:58:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm I'm not the biggest Jason Calcaines fan, if I'm being honest. I'm not a big fan of him. He's a he's a little He's like twerp. But
[0:58:41] Voice E: he but he is tracking. Fair. He is tracking, and he's tracking, like, not like other people. Like, he is, like, switched on with it. He he's very aware. Right? That's what I'm talking about.
[0:58:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yep. Good stuff, guys. TSN, go ahead, and then we'll go over to coma.
[0:58:57] tsn @tsncrypto: I'm loving the conversations with the...
[0:59:01] Kkoma @itskkoma: Jeez. What is he doing?... On me.
[0:59:04] tsn @tsncrypto: I think what we're actually doing in this kind It's
[0:59:06] Kkoma @itskkoma: so bad for TSN.
[0:59:07] tsn @tsncrypto: What we're doing is differentiating the jobs of the future. So this is what's gonna be happening in the future. It's we split out. This is what we're aiming for. This is what we're doing. This is what we're do in the future. And what people sort of... I'm seeing a lot of feedback at the moment. It's sort of taking the in... Inverse view. So if if you if you remove a lot of jobs, you take that middle layer out of the process and you lose that skills and knowledge to actually retrain retrain the model and this is where we become very important. We need to work out that process, how we stand in the future, and how we build on that to move to it. If we don't do it, you lose the task in order to... It's like... I'm a specialist in HR analytics. So it's like if you take out that middle middle management and you lose all that knowledge from your business in two quicker time frame, you can't retrain for it to build it in. You lose it and you lose... It's a killer for a business, but it's also... You need to think about it as the development for the business as well. At certain levels, okay. At certain levels, not. And you've got to find the balance. I could go on for hours, but that's what I'm thinking at the moment.
[1:00:29] Voice E: Yeah. Like, we could we could totally go on for hours about that. Like, I definitely think that business is totally gonna be in so many ways, shapes, and forms. And it's... Right now, it's just like like SaaS. SaaS is dead. Right? And so what are gonna be the the business models going forward? Like, that's something to pay attention to. Good
[1:00:54] tsn @tsncrypto: stuff. I don't think SAS is dead as such. I think SAS needs to adapt
[1:00:58] Voice E: very Yeah. Yeah. But but
[1:01:00] tsn @tsncrypto: quickly to integrate the technology. Business
[1:01:03] Voice E: the business model of having a human use the the UI of your SaaS is over, basically. Right? Like, you you have to modify for the agentic layer, and then it'll probably be, like, not, like, a monthly price. Right? And and it won't be per human. It might be per agent or whatever, but that's what I'm talking about. Like, all of that is what needs to be took into consideration right now with regards to
[1:01:36] Kool @koolcryptovc: the task.
[1:01:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: For pay per call via X402. Yeah. We'll we'll get there, and we're gonna get that bread, but you
[1:01:41] Voice E: gotta be...
[1:01:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not gonna get the coma real quick? Absolutely. Okay. Coma, go ahead.
[1:01:49] Kkoma @itskkoma: No. It's okay. I think we've talked a lot about this already. So I don't know.
[1:01:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Go ahead. Keep going. Hey. We wanna take
[1:01:55] Landy @CryptoLandy: So, Dave, what he's trying to say is that you need to, you know, just grab onto your butt cheeks because it feels good for you.
[1:02:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: You did it. Is this is your friend, Natalie. This is your friend. Alright? This is your supposedly... Like, you know, this is your in the trenches, BFF guy. Like, oh, you're the same. This is what he's doing out here. Coma, please go ahead. What... You sure you don't wanna just make your... What what do you wanna say? You sure?
[1:02:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: Go ahead, Coma. I'm a think.
[1:02:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright, Coma. Get some good talk. What... Coma's very... Why is he so moody? Don't understand. Nat... Go ahead, Nat.
[1:02:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. So, Dave, back to what you're building, when will this be available? Was the time like... Was was the timeline like when it... Will it be available for me to use and test out?
[1:02:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: I didn't understand what you said. Let me get the Spanish translator, over here. I'm not really sure if I
[1:02:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: No. Really? That's how
[1:02:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: I felt so misunderstood earlier. I was like, she is definitely misunderstood right now. I don't think people understand what this woman is saying right now. No. So I... I'm I'm I'm in contact, obviously, with the Starchild team, but we're still kinda working through some stuff. But if I can get the API to the SEC website, right, like... Or just figure out a way that that the Starchild agent that I made can actually, like, query, you know, in real time all of, like, the different form fours, like, you know, like, people that are actually filing.
[1:03:18] Kkoma @itskkoma: It it gave me mock data, and I
[1:03:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: was like, oh my god. This looks great. Like, if this was actually real. And I was
[1:03:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: like, is this real? And they
[1:03:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: were like, no. Like, I made mock data. This is mock data. And I was like, oh, because they gave me this whole thing about, like, Garmin and Garmin insiders and how they were selling. It was clustered. It was... Like, the entire c suite was selling, like, within, like, three or four days of each other. And I was like, this is actually... This looks really helpful. Like, what? Near the top, it showed me, like, the fifty two week high was, like, $2.63, stocks at $2.55. And I'm like, this seems like a perfect perfect short signal. It was telling me, like, spreads on puts, like, what possible downsides are. So, like, indicators. Right? Like, to what everybody here is saying, it's like, you're not using this as the be all end all. Right? Like, you need to still understand, like, what... Like, you can't have this just do whatever. You know what I mean? Like, you can't say, oh, this sounds cool. Let me just have it do this. Because then when the slightest thing goes wrong, you need to be able to know what to do, when to give it the green light, right, to say, Execute this trade. Right? Or, yes. Where to put your stop? Or where to say, okay. This isn't working anymore. Like, you know, before all of the money in your wallet is poof, gone, done.
[1:04:26] Voice E: Well, to add to that Yeah. To add to that, like, is exactly like you... If you're building it for your business, you have to tell it how you do stuff in your business. Right? So you can't just say, oh, go do that because it has no freaking idea. And it's the same with trading. If you don't know how to trade, you really shouldn't be using an agentic AI because it needs to learn from you, I believe. Don't you don't you
[1:04:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: guys 100% agree. Right? Like, this is... You guys remember the early days of artificial intelligence when we used to say garbage in garbage out, like, what you put into the AI, right, like, how good of a quality, whether it's the data, the instructions, the prompt, everything is going to determine the quality that you get on the outside. Right? Like, what you're gonna get out of it. If you just give it like, hey, you know, make me a video with, like, you know, fish in a koi pond, then it's just like, okay. Like, cool. But it's like, is this really what I wanted? Like, you have to be as detailed as possible. And the way to do that is you are the human. You look at the AI and the... Whether it's agentic, a bot, whatever, and you have to give it the instructions of what you do, right, or how you want it to do things, and you need to be extremely specific. Here's what I want. Here's what I don't want. This is when you check-in with me. This is when you can execute. This is when you can't execute. Right? Like, you have to really, really, like, dial your shit in, and that's not gonna be off of, like, a one paragraph prompt. Right? That's gonna be kinda iterations and being able to kinda go over this. You're not gonna be able to one, like, one shot this and be like, oh, I have this amazing trading agent. It's just making me money, hand over fist. No. Right? Like, understanding what the skills are, what the limitations are, what they can and can't do. So, yeah, great great points all around. Landy, go ahead.
[1:06:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: The other thing that you're gonna see, because it's going to be tried, is you're gonna see, commercialized AI trading agents that all are out of the box doing the same exact thing.
[1:06:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's where the money's
[1:06:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: at, Brad.
[1:06:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's where the money's at, Brad.
[1:06:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. There's a massive, massive problem. If they're all doing the same thing, all it takes is for one other agent to do something opposite of that same thing that has more gas in the tank, let's say, and you are now exploitable in markets. Alright? So you... What you're gonna see is you're gonna see a large scale firm or brokerage firm that comes out with a, hey. Everybody, we have this AI agent, and it's gonna be a generic AI agent that's going to be trading for them. It's already coming, by the way. These things are happening.
[1:07:08] Voice E: No edge. Right?
[1:07:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: It it Like, no edge. Removes all of the edge, and it makes everyone that is now using that agent a part of a liquidity level that will be easily taken out, and then the agent is no longer worth anything. And you're gonna get firms that are doing this stupidly even after hiring people to go in and tell them that's probably not a good idea. And you know who can explain this to you very, very easily? Brad. Because he's building in the prediction markets and so is Coma, and your edge immediately goes away if you have an agent that you release to the public that's doing the same exact thing, and you've got a thousand people putting in, you know, a 100 or $1,000 apiece into that same market at the same levels with the same stop outs with the... That's... All you're doing is creating an exploitable liquidity pool for an opposite trade, which, by the way, agents that are performing these tasks cannot recognize, but humans can. So what I'm trying to say is the puppet's gonna win no matter what. So go ahead and spin up all your agents. Please democratize them. Get them out there because we need more liquidity.
[1:08:24] tsn @tsncrypto: Yeah. It's true. And and and from my perspective, Lundy, you just gotta think degradation of data over time. All that's happening is this has been accelerated at an exponential scale. AI is processing it. The decision making process is becoming faster and faster, But you still need that input. You still need... Until until you hit AJ and ASI, that... That's in the loop, but you're still gonna need that learning input. And the more we do it, the faster we do it.
[1:08:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's just that...
[1:09:00] Landy @CryptoLandy: You said something really key earlier. I think that that a lot of people are are beginning to understand. You need experts. And actually, in different fields are gonna become more and more valuable the more the AI takes over.
[1:09:15] tsn @tsncrypto: That's where I'm moving to.
[1:09:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: But when you have a small pool of experts training a large pool of agents, you now have disseminated a very small set of knowledge that then is exploitable on the other side. And this goes for any field, not just trading. Anything. Right? That, you know, where...
[1:09:37] tsn @tsncrypto: And that's what the major players are gonna...
[1:09:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Guys, guys, long conversation short. When Lambo?
[1:09:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: Lambo's... Actually, I can take you down to the place where you can rent it for a couple of hours. Rates have come down a lot
[1:09:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Love that.
[1:09:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: Because all the Coles are out of business, and and they're hurting. They need to rent those Lambos. So, you know, I can I can point you in the right
[1:09:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: direction? Landy, like we said, we're not Coles. Okay? We're Kales now. We're Key and I Lees.
[1:10:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: We are not
[1:10:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Kales. Like, like, after you put a whole post about why you shouldn't buy a Lambo, you think I'm gonna buy a Lambo? I mean... You know?
[1:10:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, no. No. That's what I'm saying. Go rent one. Rent one. Oh, go rent a... Still. Yes.
[1:10:15] NatNat @Natnatx007: Okay. That's what most payrolls do anyway. Right? They rent it for cows, take pictures, and give it back?
[1:10:19] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wait. Wait. Do cows rent them? Cows don't do that. Cows get head of...... Rent on a little bit of a longer time frame. You know what I mean? Like, we're just like, hey. How much for the week? You know? Because we're... We technically don't wanna be looped into the KOLs. But also, guys, help me land this job with Star Child. At the top, if I have to bribe you to do it, I will. I'll do... I'm gonna do an s link giveaway. You guys see the pinned post at the top. I need these gigs, man. It's bear market vibes. I gotta get paid some way somehow out here. You know what I'm saying? So by any means necessary. So listen. Pinned post at the top where it shows all things crypto with the handshake and then it tags Starchild, And it says, come listen to how you start your agentic trading journey. Retweet that, and I'm gonna do an s link giveaway because we maybe started a little bit late for... Thanks to some people.
[1:11:01] Voice E: Right. We won't
[1:11:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: mention any names. We won't mention
[1:11:04] NatNat @Natnatx007: David. We
[1:11:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: won't mention any But if you guys retweet that, I'm gonna do a I'm gonna do a 250,000 s link giveaway, which is, like, I don't know, $75, $100, something like that. Yeah. So retweet that at the top.
[1:11:20] Kkoma @itskkoma: And, yeah, we gotta get...
[1:11:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: I gotta get these star child boys, you know, knowing that we gotta... That we that we throw around a little weight out here. So let's put Ayo. Yeah. No. Not Ayo. That's not an Ayo. But, yeah,
[1:11:30] Kkoma @itskkoma: that's Star child boys.
[1:11:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Star child boys. I like that. That's that's just sounds like... That's fire. Brett, you've been awfully quiet this whole time, bro. I need you to chime in out here, man. Like, stop eating... Put the crayons down. Stop eating the crayons and school us on some shit. You know?
[1:11:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bro, I'm just trying to
[1:11:45] Bread @_ToastMalone: make sure I stay in the lines here. Alright? It's it's hard work.
[1:11:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Pain by number, bro.
[1:11:51] Bread @_ToastMalone: Oh, that's a good idea. I'm gonna train an agent to paint by number. I think maybe that'll be this week's adventure. No, man. No. I just... I appreciate the kind words from Landy. You know, you've you've been building closely together here for the past month or so kinda figuring things out. You know? Because at the end of the day, the most valuable agent is the one that's different. You know what I mean? I like to use the analogy of you've got a 100 stock Honda Civics all lined up, and you're about to drag race. Right? And it's like, well, okay. They're all cars. They'll all run. They'll all race each other, and they'll all cross the finish line at the same time. You know? What makes any given Honda Civic a little bit faster? Right? Is it weight reduction? Is it bigger engine? Is it adding a turbo? You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of things you can do to a vehicle to make it a little bit faster that's still a Honda Civic. Right? And so the value is ultimately in deter... You know, determining what is your edge. Right? Like, what can you do better than anybody else and applying that same thinking and logic to an agent that you're building. Right? Because if if you are a better trader than the rest of the market, Right? That means if you provide your agent with the right parameters and the right logic, it will be a better trading agent than the rest of the agents in the market. Right? I mean, it's, and it's something that people are overlooking while they're just trying to copy pasta each other and make... Know, turn $20 into $200 by this afternoon. Just follow this GitHub repo and, like, you know, your wallet gets drained. Right? Because ultimately, like, a lot of those... No. It's not like an actual drainer link. Right? You're draining your own wallet because you're providing the other side for the liquidity for the guy that posted that link so that he has and can go in with larger size. Right? That is... Like, that's all it is. There has to be a counterparty to every trade. And if I was to spin up a script that constantly lost you money, I could constantly put in larger positions. Right? I mean... And so we see that all over the timeline. Right? Don't fall for that trap. Right? It it boils down to intelligence. Right? Like, how how can you take it and give an agent real intelligence? You know, variable intelligence is something that I've kinda been playing with, right, that nobody's really talking about, as far as identifying exactly what the market's doing at any given time and ultimately rotating between, like, you know, you can think of them like just different outfits that the agent wears. You know? And it's like, oh, it's a real choppy market. Put on your choppy market outfit. Right? And that's a whole separate list and different parameters and different entry, different exit, different sizing parameters versus, oh, shit. Today, it's up only. That's an up only outfit. You know? And having an agent that can recognize what outfit to wear based on what the market conditions is, is really a huge unlock. And that applies to sports too. You know? I mean, it's something that was kinda gave Billy, an edge last year. You know? And it's still giving him an edge on the parlays, just not as much because I'm no longer there helping them. Right? But, ultimately, like, it's having that mentality into any agent you're building, you know, is really what's gonna be the key differentiator and what's gonna separate your agent from the 10,000 agents that are about to get spun up and pitched and sold to each other and copied and, you know, get wrecked.
[1:15:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: I... The... So with me, I think I like to how you Oh, fuck's sake, Shaxe. Jesus Christ. Oh my god.
[1:15:28] NatNat @Natnatx007: Give him a second. He's in the well. She's in the well. Just give him
[1:15:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: a second.
[1:15:32] Kkoma @itskkoma: He's got
[1:15:32] Bread @_ToastMalone: his well outfit on.
[1:15:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Every time. Every time., do you wanna try?, I thought this
[1:15:38] Kkoma @itskkoma: No. I was gonna I was gonna say just, I I know, like, NatNet or, like, Landy, you know, they say, like, it's never gonna happen, never gonna happen kinda thing. But I I I think right now, what's happening is that we've accelerated with, like, AI where it does a really good job at maybe, like, 60 to 70%, and we got there really quick. And, like, with with, like, with coding or building something in general, it's never, the 70%. That's the hard part. It's actually, like, the last, like, five to 10%. The devil's in the details, like like, Landy and NatNet have been expressing where it's like, you need the human in the loop to make these, like, judgment calls. But if there's a way that you can actually, like, you know, like, definitively program it in a way where it is, like... Where where would agree with it, like, 90% of the time or 95% of the time with these decisions based on, like, market conditions. Like, at least for sports, it's specifically, like, how do you dictate, like, motivation? How do you dictate, like, lineups? Like, what about playoff standings? Like, all of those things are taken into consideration whenever you make a call. So, like, even though, like, I'm building my tool where it's, like, sock... Soccer aggregators where you have, like, expected goals and goals against or whatever, like, you can't just exclusively use that. Right? Because that's just based on a certain set of people playing. But if 50% of the people aren't actually playing that day, then you're kinda... Then all the data that you have is pretty much useless. Right? So you you can do it, but it's just not quite there yet with with AI. And maybe there will be, and I think that's kinda where, Brad, you're... It's like, that's where the moneymaker is. Right? But it's gonna take a lot of time still. That's just the part that I kinda want to express is, like, never say never, but it's gonna take some time in my opinion. Yeah.
[1:17:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: But he's saying, formal... And thank you for not forcing it down on me like these two over here. No names.
[1:17:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. Listen. Okay? And
[1:17:36] Kkoma @itskkoma: I don't I don't think... I mean, this is a hot take. Maybe Marni will disagree. I don't think SaaS is dead yet. Like, there's there's still, I would say, a decent amount of people that don't even know how to use, like
[1:17:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, yeah.
[1:17:48] Kkoma @itskkoma: This this stuff yet.
[1:17:49] Kool @koolcryptovc: Right.
[1:17:50] Kkoma @itskkoma: But but it... It's gonna get there. Yeah. It's gonna get there too. Like, even within, like, big... These big companies, like, within Fang, like, they're already... They don't even care about making money at this point. They care about how do we make this AI, friendly because that's kind of the direction where, like, maybe these, like, Gen z younger are going towards. Right? Like, they they... No longer is it like you have like that.
[1:18:12] tsn @tsncrypto: They're just gonna incorporate landing page. Use it to that benefit. And that's
[1:18:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: what Yeah.
[1:18:17] tsn @tsncrypto: That's Yeah.
[1:18:18] Kkoma @itskkoma: I mean, like, people people are just, like, shopping through ChatGPT right now. So it's not even, like, it's not even, like, they're actually even going on these sites. Right? So, it's gonna be interesting.
[1:18:27] Voice E: I agree. I totally agree. But I'm I'm always on the alpha side. Right? Like, I'm on... I'm not on a leading edge. I'm on the bleeding edge. And that's just my mentality, and I I get wrecked a lot of times because of it because I'm, like, way out there ahead of the pack, and it's just because of the way my freaking brain works. But count... Mark my words, within, like, five years, it will be gone. And the company's
[1:18:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. No. I I agree with that.
[1:18:56] Kkoma @itskkoma: It will die. I don't know if it's dead now. Yeah. It will die,
[1:18:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: but it's not that dead.
[1:19:01] NatNat @Natnatx007: A 100%.
[1:19:01] Voice E: Yeah. That... That's what I mean. It's, like, just those people who are not paying attention to the shift, and it's gonna be such a shift, and really five years is gonna hit you like tomorrow. And if you're not paying attention, that's what I'm talking about. Like like, we know how fast stuff moves. Right? And and I... I'm just like... Honestly, I get on I get on Facebook or I get on Instagram, and it's like, they don't know any of this is going on. None.
[1:19:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nothing. It's... They're clueless, which is why we need to start taking... Or at least I need to start taking advantage of the the the the the the media... I don't That's not the right word. But, like, the entry level people that are out there just waiting to kinda, like, even just learn that this is even... That this even exists. You know what I mean? Because there is so much opportunity out here. And I think a lot of times, like, I've been saying is we overcomplicate so many things where in reality, like, we probably know 90% more than the average person that when you walk outside on the street that's passing by you, like, they're they're, in... On the sidewalk during the day that, like, they know not... They probably know... They're clueless to any of this stuff, genuinely. But, yeah. So, Marni, I I like the bleeding edge comment. But, yeah, sometimes we are way too early to a lot of things. Look. If I'm being honest, the majority of shit that we do here on crypto, Twitter, and web three, we're always too early. Like, we... It's like we suffer from this syndrome of, like, this is so cool, but then we lose sight of what's reality and, like, what the real world is actually, like, going through and where they're at that we're just, oh. Because, like, we're so quick to jump either on an opportunity and be, oh my god. So to what Nat was saying, yeah. And Nat and Landy, proceed with a little bit of caution, right, before kinda diving, like, both, like, you know, both feet first. You know what I'm saying? Like... Because a lot of us just get so caught up in it. I know myself. I... Like, I'm super guilty of that. Super guilty of, like, let's just go. Who gives a shit what happened? Delete.
[1:21:02] Kkoma @itskkoma: And the the thing is, like, with me and Brett with coding, like, there's a certain level of things that we don't trust the AI to do. Right? Like, at the end of the day, when we deploy something, we we have to make sure it's trust... Like, we can trust it. And, like, we've kinda need to do it ourselves. And just like Nanan and Landy with trading, like, sure, you could use your AI agent to, like, paper trade and all this stuff, and they'll make some good calls and make some bad calls. But at the end of the day, when it's like you have to put your money on the table, and if you're doing it with size, like, can you trust AI right now? Maybe, maybe not. But, like, hopefully, you know, in the future, maybe that will change and the confidence will grow where you you start making that transition, right, with, like, maybe, like, 5% of your total port port or whatever. Right? And then, like, kinda work your way from there. But even then, it's still it's still risky. Right? Because we've seen people... We've seen, like, that agent, like, OpenClaw, like, delete people's emails even though it was like, stop deleting my emails, and it kept deleting them. And it's like, I'm sorry. Like, this... Like, didn't you tell... Didn't you see that I told you not to do those things? He's like, yes. I did, but I did it anyway.
[1:22:05] NatNat @Natnatx007: So What a child.
[1:22:06] Kkoma @itskkoma: It'll get
[1:22:07] NatNat @Natnatx007: there. To that agent.
[1:22:10] Kkoma @itskkoma: I know. It's it's pretty dumb. Yep. I mean... Okay. Let... Let's think about this. Like, maybe a year ago, maybe less than a year ago, do you remember that Will Smith, like, AI video, like, with, like, eating, like, the french fries?
[1:22:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: That is spaghetti.
[1:22:21] Kkoma @itskkoma: How much
[1:22:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: has it Spaghetti. Yes. It looked like
[1:22:24] Kkoma @itskkoma: french fries, but, yeah, it was spaghetti.
[1:22:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: Laughing about that behind the scenes, by the way. Yeah.
[1:22:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, that's... It's kinda ridiculous. And, Coma, I love this meme that you share in the group. I just put it in the comments below. Like, there is nothing more true than this. Right? Vibe coding versus vibe engineering. The guy on the left is 100% me. Vibe coding is build me an epic three d game, bro, with cool features that'll make me money. Vibe engineering, let's build a flying car, let's build a flying car game in three dot j s, back end and go, multiplayer with WebSockets. And then all of a sudden, the guy on the bottom is like, why is this not working? And then the vibe engineer on the bottom is
[1:22:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: like Me
[1:23:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: too. So easy. Bro, this is my life. And you think my dev friends over here would have pity on me. Right? They see me in front of the burning computer. No. They don't. Yeah.
[1:23:12] Kool @koolcryptovc: Exactly. Trade logs.
[1:23:14] NatNat @Natnatx007: He's got like a robot.
[1:23:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: City, bro. Rug City, coma. Rug City right now. Oh my god.
[1:23:19] Bread @_ToastMalone: Your devs can't get good Wi Fi, bro. That's a problem.
[1:23:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Bro, between you and Brad... No, comma, give it a shot. You gotta do it quick. You gotta do a lap.
[1:23:27] NatNat @Natnatx007: But while he does the lap, babe, I was actually on the Star Child website. And, sir, it is... You can use it more than just trading. Right? It is... It it compiles certain signal, and it compiles, like, certain things on a macro front too. Right?
[1:23:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. 100%. Like, it's it's plugged
[1:23:46] tsn @tsncrypto: the day, and so they should monetize it.
[1:23:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's what you think they'll do. Of course. But you have to buy credits, obviously. Right? And a lot of it's like... I think what what Starchild is great at from what I understand also is this... Like, you know how, like, Marni talks about, like, the security component. Right? You're not downloading this on your machine. Right? Like, you're do... Like, they've abstracted away the security component of a lot of this to be able to, like, now, and then giving you a lot of different, like, data point, like... Or skills slash connection points. Right? Whether it's sentiment, whether it's technical analysis, whatever, to be able to now at least start crafting, like, what you can do. So Nat... And this is what I'm saying, Nat, I would love to see you kinda play with it. I'll get you a bunch of free credits so that you can kinda, like, test it out. But, like, I would love to kinda see, like, how you can use this, like... And cool you too, Landy. You know, Brad Coma.
[1:24:33] tsn @tsncrypto: Yeah. Send it to me, man.
[1:24:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. It. Would love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:24:37] NatNat @Natnatx007: I would love this, actually. I wouldn't use it to trade, but I would... Like I said, right, I would use it to position myself to help me get an... Gain an advantage and not pull...
[1:24:47] tsn @tsncrypto: I I just like seeing the data. I like seeing the raw data.
[1:24:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. Can... Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Lendi, guys, please. I would love for you to use it because then I can create content around that, which is essentially what they wanna pay me to do. So come on, please.
[1:25:00] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. No. This is good. This is good. Dave, you were sleeping. You could've just started with this.
[1:25:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I'm chill. I I did start with this. This is the title. Landy, go ahead.
[1:25:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. That was a sick bird. That's on fire today.
[1:25:16] Dave @DCBK2LA: I like I like big butts, and I kinda lie. I'm like I like
[1:25:19] Kool @koolcryptovc: big butts, man.
[1:25:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: Kinda lie. Look. I... There... There's one more thing in the chat that I was gonna read out at one point when when everybody was talking, but I decided I was just gonna leave it in the chat. Nat knows exactly what it was going to be. Yeah. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna go there.
[1:25:40] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, the the big thing I think to really understand is that we are also... Everybody who's, like, participating in this now, we're all on the actual bleeding edge, like like Marty was talking about earlier. And a lot of this is not going to be where the majority of people are gonna go for any of it. Right? Because right now, the barrier to entry is the credits themselves. Right? You gotta have... You know, it's it's a substantial spend every month if you're gonna be doing these, right, you know, on the hardware locally, on the credits, you know, or services where you're getting the credits where, you know, it's hosted hardware essentially. You know, a lot of this is is very cost prohibitive for just a normal person. So all of this is going to change in the coming years, but those who are here first and here early, just like with crypto, you hang on tight and you develop your skills and you develop your agents and you now have product out the other side. See, a lot of what's gonna go away is is, the vibe coding applications for others, but it's gonna be offering product to others instead. Right? Because lower monthly fees or lower subscription that isn't dependent on $200 a month and and plus credits on top of that, right, is going to make things a lot smoother. And there's gonna be platforms that are gonna do really well that are going to eat the fees upfront and get a lot of people in that are gonna then lower to these basic monthly. Because I think... What was it? There was a a study done just the other day that that came out that, like, like, 90 to 95% of users of any of these AI models are on the free versions. Right? And that's considering... You know, that's taking into account all of the Grok premium people too, which you get with your premium subscription. So that is an amazingly low number with a a really high number of people spending a lot of money on this stuff right now.
[1:27:51] tsn @tsncrypto: But you're paying with your data.
[1:27:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I mean, you... We're the ones... We are the guinea pigs. Right? We're we're we're paying them to hoover up all of the input from us as subject matter experts in various areas to get out the other side what other subject matter experts have contributed. Right? And then that is going... But the model right now is not conducive to mass adoption yet, and that's where the game changer is gonna come. So, I mean, we're still very, very early days with AI as anybody in AI knows. And, you know... But it's iterating so quickly. You know, Koma bringing up the Will Smith Will Smith spaghetti eating and how far that's come. You know, that kind of stuff is... You know, to make some of the more high end video stuff even, you gotta spend a lot of credits to do it. I don't know how much data is spent, but that's one of the reasons why he lives in a box in New York. And he's trying to get out of that box, but now he's gotta, you know, he's gotta be able to afford the shovel out front to get the snow out of the way. But that's what happens when you spend, like, $400,000 a year on credits, and that's just not gonna last long term. It's gonna... I like how he stayed muted the entire time. He just left and did something else. But, realistically, when when AI agents and spinning up an agent or a swarm of agents is really cost efficient and high... And the wires are hidden. Right? All of this is happening behind the scenes for grandma who, by the way, is only gonna find out on Facebook, you know, after, you know, the the the war in The Middle East is over. That's when they're gonna find out about it. Like, understand that that's the audience that is gonna be the general audience for adoption. And by then, it's gonna be, like, oh, $20 a month, $30, or $50 a month, and you get all of this that handles everything that you would ever needed to handle. And that's where the real democratization and scale for AI is gonna hit. But like Brad said, if if everybody's driving a Honda Civic, what differentiates you?
[1:30:03] tsn @tsncrypto: There's a way before that, Lundy, as well though. So... Yeah. So you just got to think about all the data you feed in into OpenAI, all the models, and now we're changing SEO and search. So all that data where what we're sort of feeding into the models is going into a new advertising model. So...
[1:30:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, TSN, this is why I am purposely on a mission to sabotage AI by giving it horrible advice on TA. And then I go and I just talk to Brad and give him the real the real good stuff.
[1:30:38] tsn @tsncrypto: Well, I was talking... Well, sorry to bring up Wolf, but he had... Umeshi was a a specialist in AI and they could do predictive analytics on purchase to to a 90% accuracy of what you're gonna buy. If this is happening with what we've got in SEO world at the moment. How is that gonna adapt to AI? And you've got to shift your thinking forward to those companies as well. If I was looking at looking at who to invest in, I'd probably invest in those advertisers that are looking at AI scraping bots and all the technology and where that data is being fed to.
[1:31:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, they also have to predict the trends. Right? Yeah. What's the... There's a company, and I forget what the company is, that Sheehan actually exploited their model in fashion. And it wasn't that the fashion trends were being adopted by people because people were demanding it. They created the demand through...
[1:31:44] tsn @tsncrypto: And and I've... And that's what AI is doing at the moment. It's creating it's creating the demand. And that's the other thing other thing people need to think about as well. It's the psychological impact of how AI is impacting your thought process. We don't we don't understand that fully at the moment. We've we've had the advertising, the bombardment of advertising affecting our consumer consumer forward facing purchases, but we've not had the the knowledge on how I sort of AI impacts that in the long run.
[1:32:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: Look at what it's done to Dave. It turned him into a duck.
[1:32:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exactly.
[1:32:22] Kkoma @itskkoma: I was
[1:32:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: just gonna say that, actually. Like, it turned me into a duck. I mean, look at me with a... But I play the guitar, at least. It taught me how to play the guitar. You know? I don't have a guitar case on my back for no reason. So you ever see a duck play the guitar? Oh my god. I'm going right to sore after this, which is probably gonna be in three minutes. Guys, does nobody wanna win this s link? Don't understand. Give me a little burn. The engineer, DocNooNoo, Prez, LJ, Frozen, Adrian, wake up, Shiv. Blockchain report.
[1:32:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: What do you what do want them to do? Repost?
[1:32:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Repost. That thing at the top, the first one in the tweet.
[1:32:53] Kool @koolcryptovc: Yeah. Dave, you you you need to put the the dollar value in the in in the the
[1:32:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: No, bro. I'm trying to
[1:33:02] Kool @koolcryptovc: I don't know.
[1:33:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's the only way to do
[1:33:03] Kool @koolcryptovc: it, man. Nobody knows what you... What you was
[1:33:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. But I'm... I... I'm not
[1:33:08] Kool @koolcryptovc: This is space. It's not... What? That's gonna be
[1:33:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: this I don't know. I... Like, and then I'd have to mark it as a paid promo. I don't wanna do that. I just want people to listen to what I'm saying, I don't have to take the chance of marking it as paid Try
[1:33:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: saying it in Spanish or with a Spanish accent. Exactly.
[1:33:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: Natalie is on fire the last couple of days. That's all I'm gonna say. That one's MVP for the last couple of days, hands down. That's a fact. Coma from way downtown. What... Did you say something, Coma?
[1:33:43] Kkoma @itskkoma: Can you hear me okay now?
[1:33:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: I mean, it does sound like you're in a bathroom, a very large bathroom and very far away from the phone.
[1:33:51] Kkoma @itskkoma: How big is your house? Rejoin. Yeah.
[1:33:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm not... Did you say...
[1:33:54] Kkoma @itskkoma: What did say? Let me rejoin. Is that what you said?
[1:33:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. That's what I heard.
[1:33:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Too bad we're gonna be closed by then, comma. No. But, guys, yeah, I'm I'm gonna do the Twitter picker in literally, like, sixty seconds. I'm just gonna pull up the tweets now. Thank you very much. Much appreciated, guys. Yeah. Because listen. The the Star Child guys are... Team is in Malaysia. So they're obviously a little bit late, but I'm... I wanna do another follow-up with them probably maybe on Monday for Monday's episode of ATC. Or maybe they come back tomorrow, we kinda continue this conversation. But not... Maybe before we go, I do... We'll kinda wanna maybe leave some people with with some Bitcoin stuff, but let me just check if if Coma's back. Because, obviously, markets did really rally today. Right? Like, are up, up, up. And I I I...
[1:34:37] Voice E: You're breaking the day.
[1:34:40] Kkoma @itskkoma: Am I?
[1:34:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: No. I hear him fine. Oh, Marnie. I I I think it's your connection. I hear you, Marnie.
[1:34:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's you. Yeah. You're rugged.
[1:34:46] Kkoma @itskkoma: I hear Dave.
[1:34:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Koma, go ahead before before Nat kinda goes into... Because then we gotta close out. Know I I started a little bit late. Thanks to some people. But, yeah, come on. Go ahead. Go ahead. And then I I I try to get a quick breakdown by, Nat and probably not Landy because nothing is quick with Landy. Pause.
[1:35:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: That's why the little guy love me.
[1:35:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, gosh. I set myself up for that one. Koma, do have anything you wanted to add from from the previous convo, or should we go?
[1:35:16] Kkoma @itskkoma: No. I was just I was just laughing like you, and you couldn't hear it. So it was it was kind of, yeah, it was
[1:35:21] Kool @koolcryptovc: a of a challenge. Listen.
[1:35:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. You have a little bit
[1:35:27] Kkoma @itskkoma: of leeway. You you you contributed a
[1:35:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: good meme today, so, you know, you're good. Natalie, markets up, up, up. Where are we going? Higher, higher, higher?
[1:35:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: Well, we are up against some very big resistance. Right? So that 74 area... The 74 k area is a big one on the weekly and also on the monthly. Right? So we kinda do have to be careful. If if we do get that, follow through and volume that we do need and we start seeing closes above 74, then we're in for higher. But if we keep rejecting here, as I often say, right, a failed move higher would lead to a move lower, and then we have to start looking at the areas down below. But this move that we're seeing now is not surprising at all. Right? We've all been saying it. We... Brandy and I, we mentioned it yesterday, right, based on what we were seeing that we were expecting a move higher. Granted, it did have to do with how we close on the daily and also at the end of the week. If we do want to see these, 80 k to 83 k, we kinda have to hold this level. For higher, as I said, if not, then low. It's kinda, like, really simple. I try to simplify it and not make it too long, Dave. So all all we need to know is if you have a chart, watch the weekly. It has been playing the weekly, like, beautifully, and it has also been playing the four hour very beautifully. Right? So here's the thing. If we look at the four hour, we are slightly overbought. Right? And if we look at the weekly, we are at resistance. So what does that say? The chances of us pulling back is greater. Right? Obviously, in order for us to move higher, we would need to see that volume in follow through. If not, then we're looking at a retest of 70. Below 70, I'm looking at sixty sixty nine to 68. Below that, I'm looking at six, 65 all the way down to 62 and a half. Like we mentioned yesterday, there is a whole bunch of liquidity down at 60 k. If we lose 60 k, it could get ugly. We can go down to, like, 55 below that 48 if that breaks. Right? But on the top side, I can see us going to, like, 85 midrange. If we do start breaking above 85, I'm looking at 93 to 93 and a half, and then all the way up to, like, one zero three k above that, then we go higher. Right? But this is a very, very big area, so eyes on this and see how it goes.
[1:37:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Man, I didn't think we were gonna be having the, you know, 90,000 plus convo for for more than a... You know, for a minute here.
[1:37:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: Not saying we're gonna, like, get there at all.
[1:37:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: I know. I know. I'm just saying I thought it was gonna be a lot further... I didn't think it was gonna be till, you know, spring, summertime that we'd start saying the word 90,000. You know what I'm saying? So good signs. You know? I'm I'm good.
[1:38:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: Keep in mind
[1:38:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: of a kid.
[1:38:04] NatNat @Natnatx007: Keep keep in mind, this is seen as a bear market rally, and bear market rallies, it does tend to have people thinking that the bottom is in or that the low is in, right, before it completely runs the other way. So be very careful.
[1:38:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Wendy's about to say something about we need to close higher on the weekly term weekly term time frame and blah blah blah. We get it just in order to to support the this and the that. Alright. Macro Wednesdays, what's up?
[1:38:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, ouch. It was... I literally list... Missed one Monday in, like, three years, and that would... That...
[1:38:38] Kool @koolcryptovc: I catch it all....
[1:38:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: Watch that Wednesday
[1:38:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: video. It all.
[1:38:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: Wow. All the You did pull it. Look. Nat is right on the money. You know, even yesterday or the day before, I had mentioned, you know, if we break out, and we're all kinda looking in the same area, 74 to 75 k. Pretty much immediately after breakout, we got $74,100. Can it still continue to push to 75? Sure. Above there, you're looking 78 to 80 for me, and then mid to low eighties. You know? Nat called out 83. I'd be looking at 83 to 86. That's gonna be the biggest retest areas at 86. It's a historical weekly that was also being held on closes at the range above. If things are gonna continue up there, we can look, you know, up to 90, you know, upper eighties to 90. The biggest problem is that this is a very bearish setup. Like, this is a classic bearish setup, and anything on the weekly that closes below $98,000 is just another lower high. Now that doesn't mean inherently that things are going to go to crazy downside prices, but it's just another lower high at that point on the weekly. No matter how high this rallies, if it fails to rally and close above 98 k, it's a lower high. And then we look to the lows. Do the lows hold, or do they break? Right? Break would be continuation lower. But if they hold, then there's the potential for a reversal setup, you know, a higher lower equal low setup. That's some... That's what we're waiting for. You know, Nat and I have probably been, you know, looking at this the same way. I've been waiting for this rally since the lows have been holding up pretty well and got swept even. But if... You know, wherever this stops is gonna be the determining factor for structural change, that'll be the updated... You know, if it puts in a lower high, that will be the criteria for breaking the downtrend. We'll be closing above that lower high. Otherwise, we look to 98 and just watch the resistance levels on the way up that Matt explained. To the downside, you know, there's we could talk about downside, but, you know, it's 58 to 60, below there 55, and below there 48 to 50, and all the different downside areas to pay attention to, but not really relevant until we see a high put in on the daily and then a high put in on the weekly. The one thing that I would caution, and I... I'm probably not gonna be here tomorrow, so I did wanna say this about the weekly. You know, $71,300 or $71,400 or so would close a weekly low, and you're gonna get that FOMO. You're gonna see the timeline go, flow is in. You missed it. Look at when it rallies above 80. All everybody's gonna say that that that they bought the lows and they didn't. You're gonna see all these mocking stupid posts from Joe C and other people. These are the same people that sold you a bill of goods that Bitcoin could never go below a 100 k, never go below 95, 90, 85, 80. It's gotta be 70. 70, it can't go below there, and then it's, you know, it dropped all the way to 60. These people are worthless. Do not follow them. Do not listen to them. They will fill you with hope and and and really build up a distrust of price action and understanding what's happening in the markets because they don't know what's happening in the markets because they're fools. In in in reality is that no matter how high this goes, even if it were to break structure to the upside and break the downtrend, it's going to come back down. And that's where you position for investing. Investing. That's That's where where most of the traders on the long side are gonna eat. Because even if it were to go up and break 98 and it starts getting above a 100, everybody's getting bullish. From a weekly standpoint, you've got plenty of time because it's gonna have to come back down and either make a higher low or an equal low no matter what, and that's where you eat. That is the most important part. Also, dailies need to hold above around $72.02. If you see the weekly close a a low, doesn't really matter unless the dailies hold above that seventy two two breakout zone. So you're gonna find that if you go to your AI agents and ask them about everything that Nat and I have said today, they're gonna be like, wow. That's really good. Which agent did you get that from? And we're gonna be like, humans. Biatch.
[1:43:16] Voice E: Biatch.
[1:43:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: You guys are so cute. You guys are so
[1:43:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: I am pretty cute. Thank you. Yeah. I'm wearing my Daisy Dukes today too.
[1:43:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exactly. Mean, mean, I I
[1:43:29] Kkoma @itskkoma: had to. Stop it.
[1:43:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Stop it. Stop it. That is a crazy visual that nobody, literally nobody wants to know. Like, you with a really long ZZ top beard and, like, a white beard and, like, teeno Daisy Dukes. That's insane.
[1:43:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: Ew. So hot. Ew. I look great.
[1:43:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Ew. Ew. Like, Paris Hilton is so hot. It's so hot. Like, stop. Alright. I did the Twitter picker. Congratulations. Milo, you are the winner of the s link soul giveaway, my boy.
[1:44:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: Appreciate those that were awake. Milo, I'm just tweeting this out to the timeline now. I will send it to your Tater Trader wallet. If you don't have a Tater Trader wallet, you do now, my boy. Everyone has a Tater Trader wallet. So I'll put it on the timeline. I'm gonna go eat some dinner first. But, guys, sorry we started late. Listen. Some people just have no respect for other people's times. Oh, no. Is it me, or is that... Is Natalie Rock City right now?
[1:44:28] Voice E: It's Nat.
[1:44:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god.
[1:44:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: What is going on? I feel like No. I'm just... That's that's just
[1:44:36] Kkoma @itskkoma: that's just me making sound. Sorry.
[1:44:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I think... Yeah. No. No. I think we we we got that. Thank you, genius. Really?
[1:44:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Are you done?
[1:44:46] Kkoma @itskkoma: I don't know. It's late, man. Come on. Yeah. Know.
[1:44:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: I know. I know. Guys, I'm sorry that some people had to show up a little bit late, but we appreciate you staying with us. Thank you for obviously retweeting all that stuff. But, also, this is an amazing space. I'm glad that we did this, talking about all of this, like, this this open clause stuff, blockchain, and and everything else. I think this is gonna be an ongoing conversation. It's not going anywhere. We are definitely not the top signal. I can say that with 99.9% certainty. I'll never say with a 100% certainty. But, if we're the top signal for AI and open world...... Trouble. We're in trouble. We are in way... Well, like, everything, we are in way more trouble than anything else. But... Yeah. Cool. Thank you, obviously, for the retreat. Would love to kinda get your feedback also when you use it. Nat, you too. TSN, great contributions today. Lendi, amazing stuff today, bro. Appreciate you. Marni, Coma, Bread, thank you guys, for real for real, and everybody that came in and tuned in. That's it. Last, show of the week is tomorrow. Can you guys hear me better? Hey.
[1:45:42] NatNat @Natnatx007: So I will say... Yeah. I I I know you're talking
[1:45:45] Kkoma @itskkoma: about that.
[1:45:45] NatNat @Natnatx007: Okay. Alright. My my my bad. I just wanted to say, you know, a great show. Thank you, Kumar, for being understanding. Thank you, Landy. And I don't know why Dave and Cool like like to force me to do things, but I'm gonna try open call and it ends up being the top signal. That's your fault.
[1:46:01] Dave @DCBK2LA: We'll take it. We'll take it. We'll take it. Alright, guys. That's it. We out. Hope everybody has a good night. We'll see you tomorrow, man. Peace.