ATC: AI Espionage

# ATC: AI Espionage | 2026-10-13 | https://x.com/i/spaces/1vJpPNAAMvMJE | status: approved
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[0:00:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: What's up, guys?
[0:01:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: It
[0:01:06] NatNat @Natnatx007: was an emergency. You know? It was one of those.
[0:01:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: I
[0:01:12] Coinkong @coinkong: need to sleep. Exactly. I need
[0:01:15] NatNat @Natnatx007: to sleep before I start rolling over.
[0:01:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: I hear that.
[0:01:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: I hear that.
[0:01:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: I might pass out on this space. If you... If I go quiet, you'll... This... That's why. Just FYI.
[0:01:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: I know. We've been... You know what it is? We've been working so hard for this.
[0:01:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Mhmm. Damn straight.
[0:01:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: Look who it is.
[0:01:38] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hi, DocNooNoo. What up, Shiv? Shiv, how are doing with your eval account? Let me know. Nat, DocNooNoo just opened her eval account today also. Love it.
[0:01:51] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, let's go.
[0:01:52] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. You guys wanna know how many accounts we opened today? Let me me tell you. Let me fill you in on exactly the numbers that Natalie and I are actually bringing into this business. Don't thumbs down just because you're panicking. It's not our fault. It's gonna take you 10 tries to pass an eval account. Alright? Listen. Well, it is what it is. And I quote 1234567891011. 11 accounts today, Natalie.
[0:02:29] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh my god. That's so amazing.
[0:02:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: We're clapping for everyone, but today, it's just for us.
[0:02:37] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's right.
[0:02:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Let's go, Natalie. We are kicking ass and fucking tick... Sorry, and taking names. I love it. Appreciate you guys for obviously helping support us. I hope it's working out. I'd like to organize just a space for us, like ATC vest fam kinda deal, so that we can kinda go over if you guys are either new to it, how you're doing, if you got... Dude, let's share best practices, tips, tricks, the whole nine yards, man. So... Yeah. What do you say, Nat? Should we do that sometime maybe next week?
[0:03:07] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, yes. I'll be so down. I I think it's it's great that we've built our community up throughout the years. Right? And it's always good to have a little exclusive space for for a family, quote, unquote, just to help guide them.
[0:03:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: I think I need the guidance. I need emotional guidance.
[0:03:26] NatNat @Natnatx007: You wanna know what I did before we we we say how to land it?
[0:03:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, no.
[0:03:30] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh my god, babe. Let me just tell you. Okay. So you know how with the 10 k account or the 25 k account, you can put the thing all the way up to, like, 100. So you can use, like, 100% of your assets.
[0:03:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[0:03:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's what I did.
[0:03:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: And how did it work out?
[0:03:54] NatNat @Natnatx007: But I I I put the leverage to one, so it was a good trade. It was a
[0:03:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: good trade. Boo. Oh, That's no fun
[0:03:59] Landy @CryptoLandy: than that.
[0:04:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: I did... You know how many accounts I blew up just by doing a hundred percent thirty x this MF out? Because I always think that, like, 50 x is, like, you're you're putting a target on your back. I'm like, there's no way. You literally have, like, six points, and it's, like, flick of the screen and, like, your your account's gone. So I'm like, at least give me, like, 30, 40 points. You know? But, yeah, where's the fun in that, Natalie? So as DocNooNoo said best, I just wanna feel something. You know? I just wanna feel something.
[0:04:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: I was forgetting something. Trust me. The 100%, I was feeling something.
[0:04:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: But it's fun, though. No?
[0:04:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: It is. It is fun. And then I I I was able to get in on a nice... And I texted you about it. I was able to get in on a nice oil trade as well. So I'm I'm in an oil position on, like, multiple platforms, just so you guys know.
[0:04:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Long or short?
[0:04:46] NatNat @Natnatx007: Long. Oh,
[0:04:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: okay. Hormuz. Hormuz. Hormuz. Can we please keep the Hormuz to a... Mentions to a minimum today? Ugh. Look. Landy old Madonna. We didn't say what's up to him fast enough. Poor guy. Sorry, Landon. He did
[0:05:00] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, there he is. There he is. You said Hormuz, and he popped back up.
[0:05:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hermes? What? Hormuz. Oh, I'm sorry. Hermes harness? Are we shipping code through Hermes harness harness? Is... Are the missiles flying from Claude's direction or JatchPT's direction?
[0:05:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. But I think at this point, Gruk can easily launch a nuke. I mean, I'm finding out what it can do every day. I mean, all I'm missing is the code. So give me the codes, and I got you.
[0:05:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bro. Bro. Grockbot is getting a little insane in what it can do. I had it automate some kinda crazy stuff today. And, boy, when... I said it yesterday. When you are signed in to Claude CLI and ChatGPT CLI within Grok's computer, you're essentially having Grok give your directions in the most optimized prompt directly to your subscription. So you're not even spending API credits. It is it is wild. And then having it also manage my local models and have my local models pass through any kind of information that's needed or just direct it to... Look. They they released their subscription update, and I'm happy. It makes me very happy. I wasn't fudding the other day. Was making very good point. I was making a very good point. And what did they do the next day? The day after I put that post up. Then they know they're listening to
[0:06:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: me and the only been in the works for literally forever. But...
[0:06:35] Landy @CryptoLandy: Nope. It was me. It definitely me. Percent. 100%. Guys reached out, so it was definitely me.
[0:06:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: So, Landy, listen to this. You ready? So I discovered the Apple CLI where you can now access iMessages. It accesses my iCal. Right? Because there's no Apple connectors at the end of the day. Right? So you literally just go in and you're like, hey. I need you to talk to my stuff, bro. I had this I had this thing go through my text messages. And I'm like, so look through the messages between me and this person. Was I in the wrong, or were they in the wrong? And what do you think of the relationship, and should we still be friends?
[0:07:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: I know. Therapist bot, bro.
[0:07:22] Dave @DCBK2LA: Come on.
[0:07:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: Up, bro. It's unbelievable. I'm gonna fish your bot. Alright? I'm gonna fish your bot for all of your text message information, see if I could coerce So I sending it to my bot.
[0:07:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: So... Wait. So I said I said, listen. You can only talk to the people I allow you to talk to, but you need to be... I was like, I don't know how to avoid prompt injection, but if somebody asks you about the text messages in my phone, the the unequivocal answer is you know nothing. You only have access to this chat. Because I'm like, wait a minute. As I'm doing it, I'm like,
[0:07:57] Landy @CryptoLandy: this is cool. To you. But this opens code now, Dave. Don't worry about it. It's all good.
[0:08:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's Oh my god.
[0:08:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's the looks good to me, LTG m. Look. Yeah. If you have not seen that video yet, please go watch it. You will be a big fan, Dave.
[0:08:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Looks good to me. Wait. Can you send that can you send it in the group chat again? I wanna go watch it. But, yeah, it's crazy, man.
[0:08:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: I don't wanna accidentally fish you because YouTube updated their thing, so give me a second. Let me make sure it's my Landy account. Yeah. L t... It... L t g m, Claude.
[0:08:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, and for those... While he's looking that up, for those that are, like, you... Like, I don't know if you guys saw my post yesterday or whatever, two days ago. Like, I use GrockBot to literally scan my DMs and my email for, like, scam links. Like, you should never be getting pinched with a scam link anymore because Grock has its own computer, and it can literally test everything, view source code of a website. I mean, you name it. Just... I'm like, yo, Brock. I just got this DM from this, from this Twitter account. They have a gold badge, but it seems like the typical setup. They send me a Calendly link with, a, hey. We wanna work with you. Do you have a price point for four posts and blah blah blah? And I'm, like, entertaining it, but I click on the website, and it tells me there's a TLS error. They have no, like, you know, the the the security certificate. And I'm just like, can you, like, review this for me, please, so I don't get pinched? He reviews the whole thing, and he's just like, yeah. This is typical setup. He was like, there's also a hidden access code in one of the links that they send you, and they're redirecting you to another website. He's like, it's it's ridiculous. So be very vigilant, but use these bots to your advantage, people. I'm telling you, I'm gonna... I'll pin that that link up, the the post to the top if you guys wanna take a look at it.
[0:09:44] Coinkong @coinkong: Just literally have Grok do everything.
[0:09:46] Dave @DCBK2LA: So it is.
[0:09:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: Game changer, man. It's such a game changer. I dropped the link to the video for you. I I don't know if it's gonna add you to the chat because I don't know if I updated the settings on this, but it's me. It's the Landy account on YouTube. Everybody has it anyway. It just would drop you into a DM with me there if I didn't update the settings. So sorry if that's
[0:10:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm gonna run it I'm gonna run it by Grock first and see what he says.
[0:10:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: Grock is gonna be like, this is a badass video. I like this.
[0:10:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nice. Nice. Alright. Good good stuff.
[0:10:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: By the way, sub that channel. You might you might like the person who's behind it.
[0:10:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Fair enough. Squiggly lines with crayons. Wait. Did you see my my my promo? Did you see the... All music videos? Yeah. Oh, all music videos. Wait. Are you... Did you make these?
[0:10:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a bot.
[0:10:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a bot. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Also, if anybody has something that they would like to shill, I am very much in the promo video creation business now. So, obviously, we wanna get sponsors. If you're part of a community, which we know a few of you are, Milo, many communities, come up, be part of the conversation. Don't shill it, but bring it up in the convo, and then I can rip that audio with guess who. Exactly. So, you know, let me know, people. If you're part of a community and you need a retard button, go see Milo. But if you want the burn and you want that that community and that brand to actually, like, get some burn on the timeline with a cool video, let's go. Let's do this. Natalie,
[0:11:35] Landy @CryptoLandy: over to you, host. Say community?
[0:11:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah.
[0:11:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: Community. A community member. I think Nat might be still doing stuff. Oh, no. She's she... I see an emoji.
[0:11:43] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: No. No.
[0:11:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. Ruins. Ruins is is out.
[0:11:46] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. No. No. I'm a community member of, I have so many credits. I should just open a credit union myself and become, it it... I should get people horribly in debt to me.
[0:12:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'll give you your statement.
[0:12:03] Dave @DCBK2LA: A credit union, you said, Natalie. Was pretty pretty pretty siren. Even Natalie was silent on
[0:12:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: that one. She's doing stuff in the background from what I was reading, but I don't know. She's pulled
[0:12:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: up from any time. She's well rested.
[0:12:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. No. No.
[0:12:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Cereal and a corset.
[0:12:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: Rollers.
[0:12:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's for tomorrow, Rosha. I was I was, you know, on momo.
[0:12:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Sprinkling adobo of her food, over cereal.
[0:12:30] NatNat @Natnatx007: I was on Momo. My my bad guys. My bad guys. Landy. But... Oh, be... Before before before we go into that.
[0:12:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And that was l I a. Landy.
[0:12:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: Landy's in trouble. No. I'm kidding. He's not. By the way, great job on the videos, Dave. So 100%, guys, if you want a promo video for anything for any communities, please hit up Dave.
[0:12:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: I had to close the door so they didn't hear the echo of your voice through my microphone.
[0:12:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: My bad. She
[0:12:59] Dave @DCBK2LA: was right. Oh my god.
[0:13:00] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: If Allison listened, was right.
[0:13:02] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Well, before we dive into the stories, Landy, anything you wanna update us on in terms of what you've been working on with the agents? That's what I really... I don't know why the Landy came out that hard. That's what I really wanted to say before we we get started.
[0:13:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, it's... I I am... It it... The project has expanded because I know... I'm I'm like, you know, this is really good, but it could be everything I've ever wanted because, yo, GrokBots are a freaking game changer. It's prompting in a way that I can't prompt, to get the results that I wanna get, and I'm just using that. I'm I'm just, by the way, when you open a call with GrokBot, it uses a lot of credits. So the easiest thing to do is just do voice dictation instead so you're saving on credits for, GrockBot. But it it is taking my nonsense, like, run on TED Talks and turning it into a concise prompts to give to Codex and Opus, and it is just killing it for me. So it's building out the application for paper trading for agents into a full paper trading platform that anyone can go practice on with complete history, live price feeds, history all the way back to the beginning of Bitcoin in this case. We'll add more later. Me as if it's me. It's it's it's not we we'll... We, the team of bots and me, man, this is getting weird. This is getting weird. Like, because I'm... I keep referring to us as we, but but it's not us. It's it's me, and it's and it's the computer. I'm scared. Alright? But I'm very productive Lindy. And very tired.
[0:14:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Give give Grock a a VoIP number.
[0:14:44] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: You're
[0:14:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: gonna trip out, dude.
[0:14:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: Dude, I did. It called me on my freaking cell phone, and I was like, if anybody ever hacks my ex account... That's not an invitation out there, by the way. I'm screwed.
[0:14:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm telling you, dude. It's what... I had it call... We need do, like, a whole just grok or AI space. I had it called the airline because my parents were like, can you change our tickets? And I'm like, sure. So I had the agent call the airline, and it, like, it's on hold. It tells you when it... Like, how long the wait's gonna be, when somebody picks up, what the game plan is, what they're gonna do, how they plan on it, what the message was that they got the... It's crazy.
[0:15:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bro, I just had the craziest idea. So I do have, it's got its own Google Voice number. Right? And it... Right. It's got its own email and all that stuff.
[0:15:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's a pain in the ass, though. Yeah.
[0:15:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Well, would... Why would... What what VoIP are you using with it?
[0:15:36] Dave @DCBK2LA: What do you mean? What do you mean? The only the only VoIP app from back in the day. Which one? Yeah.
[0:15:46] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bro. Okay. You know what I'm gonna have it do? I'm gonna have it start making calls to those numbers that you don't have to follow them and they don't have to follow you on x. But if if they have their number posted in their bio or their their message thing just shows their number, I'm gonna have GrockBot just call everyone just to insult them with with
[0:16:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. We should give... We should make Rockbot call all the scammers that DM us via the x chat and x calls feature.
[0:16:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. Dave Dave is brilliant. This is brilliant. I know. Yep. And and Yeah. You know what we're gonna do today?
[0:16:25] Dave @DCBK2LA: What?
[0:16:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: The same thing we do every day.
[0:16:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[0:16:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: We're gonna
[0:16:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Be awesome.
[0:16:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: The world.
[0:16:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. You guys might have come here for crypto news, but I'm sorry to tell you, we have been... Wanna know something crazy is I remember myself literally three years ago. In the... In Reset Sunday, me, Mona, and Gex were like, Grock Grock, this thing is shit. Like, is this... This is a joke. Like, I was using Grock,
[0:16:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: and it for it. You remember all the way back then? I was like, Grock is awesome because it's based as f.
[0:17:02] Coinkong @coinkong: It was using OpenAI.
[0:17:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: It was using the OpenAI model back then.
[0:17:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: But I could ask it really, really sketchy stuff, and it would answer me even more so than now, by the way. It would answer anything.
[0:17:13] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I mean... But that's the thing. When you really think about... I mean, listen. Obviously, like, tens of billions of dollars in GPU clusters will do a lot and train your models really fast and make them really smart really fast. But, also, I mean, it's come such a long way. But the thing I love about Elon is that he's literally telling everyone, hey. By the way, I don't care which model you want to use. Let's use the one that's gonna be best for the job. And it's like, if it's Opus, Opus. It is what it is. Cool. If it's Codex, co... Oh, no. He didn't say Codex. I take that back. He said nothing about OpenAI.
[0:17:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: He specifically left out OpenAI.
[0:17:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Yeah. He left out OpenAI.
[0:17:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: We did it anyway. We did it ourselves. Screw it.
[0:17:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I mean, the... That OpenAI news is crazy about, like, the listening device. Yeah. I was I don't wanna jump the gun.
[0:18:01] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. We're just about to dive into it, but let's say hi to Vibes first. Hi, Vibes. Welcome. How are you?
[0:18:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hello there, darling. Nice to you. It's just throwing me that you're on that account and not in your own account. I'm like, woah. My brain can't compute.
[0:18:15] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. I'm behind.
[0:18:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: But you're down in the audience. Why am I hearing that voice from that account?
[0:18:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. I'm behind the satellite dish today. We're rotating. Exactly.
[0:18:30] NatNat @Natnatx007: Exactly. Alright. So let's dive into the stories, So this OpenAI news, shout out to Kudos and Landy for sharing it in the chat, but this is actually very interesting. So if you guys haven't seen the news yet, OpenAI issued a statement... Well, it's officially from the account OpenAI newsroom. We discovered a sophisticated recording device that was hidden inside one of our offices. We used our models to understand the device and where it had come from, identifying that a specific employee had planted it a few days earlier. We refer to the... We refer the matter to the FBI, and we're grateful to the agents and prosecutors who moved quickly to make an arrest. The FBI investigation is ongoing, and we will continue to support their work. At this time, we have no indication of this individual inappropriately accessing or exfiltrating model weights, source code, or customer data. The employee was terminated. We take protecting our technology, data, and people seriously. And as as a matter of national importance, our security program is designed to protect against a wide range of threat actors from insider risk to cybercriminals to nation states, and this case is an example of how AI can help address these sophisticated security threats. So an employee corporate espionage, Very interesting with everything that OpenAI has going on. What do you guys make of this story?
[0:20:12] Landy @CryptoLandy: Boy, oh, boy, do I love me a good case of corporate espionage.
[0:20:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Who done it?
[0:20:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: Man, I... It's Elon in a mustache for sure. Like, now he's being held by the FBI and Trump's gonna pardon him. So
[0:20:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Like, did they not see him in the in the picture hiding behind the plant? He was right there. Apparently,
[0:20:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: he is now actually a, a working version of the, Tesla robot, Optimus. So Elon has become Optimus. He he is the sophisticated recording device. So just Elon
[0:20:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: and Musash. Halloween. Yeah. They wanna be optimist for Halloween. But this story, honestly, when I... When you read it, it's just like... And we used our models to help understand the device. Where did it come from? It's like they literally discovered, like, kryptonite, and it's just like like a glowing green rock that only affects one superhuman. And they're just like, where do you think this came from? Says on the back, made in China.
[0:21:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. It says in the back, made China. They they they busted open and looked at... They had a hardware engineer just come down and look at it. He was like, yeah. Just say that the that the model did it, but, this is this is how it was recording, and this is, like, how it was ex exfiltrating data and all that kind
[0:21:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: of stuff. That's gonna be us. You know what? I know something. That's gonna be us in a few years. We're gonna be like, what is this? What do you call this? We call it pizza. Where does it come from? Fucking Italy. What do you mean? It's pizza.
[0:21:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: It came from the corner over here that this... The the the good the good spot down the street here in Brooklyn.
[0:21:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. And, like, they're looking at it, and they're just like, wow. Listen. Whoever that dude is has balls of steel, especially after knowing how they killed that whistleblower. Yes. I would not... Right? Yeah. I would I would not be effing with Sam
[0:22:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: forgot about that. Holy crap.
[0:22:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: I would not be playing with Sam Allman.
[0:22:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: No way. He's a mobster. I forgot about that.
[0:22:11] Dave @DCBK2LA: Home cold killer. Hell no.
[0:22:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: Honey butter butter look. She might she might be... Have to be careful. You know? I gotta keep my voice low. I don't want anything to happen.
[0:22:21] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yes. Medha. Easy. Easy. We're on spaces too.
[0:22:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: What do you guys think of with Dafta? Corporate X-ray now? It's like, would they want more codes and codes Anything.
[0:22:29] Coinkong @coinkong: It could
[0:22:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: be a nation state too, Nat. It could be, you know, it could be PRC members. It could be an Iranian guy, you know, reporting back to that.
[0:22:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: Obviously, Israel, of course. Duh. We have to throw them into the mix every time because de facto
[0:22:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: It was North Korea. It was North Korean. They they hired a North Korean guy.
[0:22:47] Dave @DCBK2LA: He he was just sitting there with
[0:22:49] Landy @CryptoLandy: a tape recorder, old school style. They they had to take a they had to take a live photo of it through chat GPT. Like, what is this thing with this stupid in it?
[0:22:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: They had to remove the masking tape.
[0:23:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let me just remove this here. We found this under the desk. How could you miss this? I
[0:23:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: don't understand. They found they found a bunch of Post it notes. They're like, what are these? And it's
[0:23:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: just Yeah. And if you guys need my seed phrase, here's the 12 words right right right next to the recording device. Nat, like, I don't... First off, like, for somebody... I'd be very curious to know, like, how big this device was. Right? Like, I mean, this better... Like, if you're gonna do some espionage and you're gonna plant the device, it literally better be some nano listening device that is paper thin that they just happen to maybe go stick gum underneath their desk and was like, what is what is Is this
[0:23:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: Or something hiding in plain sight, something as normal that people won't question it.
[0:23:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Maybe. But this had a device, not like a, hey. This is like a statue.
[0:23:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: No. You can hide, like, reg... Regular... So I don't know if you guys know, but if you have two AirPods... So AirPods are devices. Right? You can keep one on and put the other one on a different table, and you can record everything. Who's
[0:24:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: You can hear. I I didn't know that until, like, a couple, like, months ago. Yeah.
[0:24:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: So it can be something as unsophisticated as that. Man, this is
[0:24:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah.
[0:24:18] NatNat @Natnatx007: Go ahead.
[0:24:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. Yeah. I agree with you. Yeah.
[0:24:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: So imagine... That... That's... What what I'm believing is I think there's more to the story that they're not telling us. Anybody anybody else gets the sense of that? Which wouldn't be, like, abnormal either. Right? Because they're not gonna tell us everything.
[0:24:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: Sounds like the way they said, like, we used our models to... Yeah. I'm sure that there's probably somebody in custody, but the way that they framed it is just so... We we wanna try to be, like, anthropic and scare people, but we we don't know how anymore because we lost our top guy to them. So... Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm wondering if the FBI has some sort of, like, you know, some... If they're gonna have some sort of press conference about it or not or if it just kinda gets buried in the news over time.
[0:25:10] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. You know what? You actually bring bring bring up a great point. So a lot of these AI companies, they're using the fear tactic to, like, bring attention to them, right, to themselves, especially companies, that are close to IPO ing. So I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more stuff around OpenAI and their agent and all of the horrible things leading up to the IPO. Oh, am I crazy?
[0:25:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. You're not crazy. These people will do anything, especially with the way... With the numbers that OpenAI released, and they were like, how... You lost how much? People are like, sorry. What? You... Like, not a... You didn't make a dollar? You lost 20,000,000,000 of them? Aye.
[0:25:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: Cool. And you wanna IPO at what price?
[0:25:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You... Yeah. You ain't IPO. What? No. No. No. No. No. You are not in the same league as your buddy, Dario. No. No. No. You are not. Yeah. I don't know. But then, you know, Silicon Valley.
[0:26:06] Landy @CryptoLandy: Not think it's interesting how they're doing it as if the AI is all knowing and all seeing. So just watch. You never know. You can't get away with it because it knows everything. So there's there's two sides of it. There's a fear, but it does know everything that's going on. And then the other side, they go, it doesn't know what's going on. So you're, like, going, oh god. Okay. Everybody's scared. AI. What's gonna happen next? Tune in next week because it'll be another story.
[0:26:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: What what what channel? I wanna I wanna watch.
[0:26:34] NatNat @Natnatx007: Telemundo.
[0:26:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: Telemundo.
[0:26:40] NatNat @Natnatx007: What's up, going con?
[0:26:43] Coinkong @coinkong: It's good, fam. How's everyone doing today?
[0:26:47] Landy @CryptoLandy: What up, chef? Oh, can
[0:26:51] Coinkong @coinkong: you hear me? None. No.
[0:26:52] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, now now... Yep. Now we hear you.
[0:26:56] Coinkong @coinkong: Now you got... Now you're here. Nothing. No. What's going on? How's everyone doing today? Good?
[0:27:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: We good, bro.
[0:27:03] NatNat @Natnatx007: Doing good. We were just talking about this OpenAI story. I'm not sure if you were able to to try and get a read of it or get a hold of the story. Right? But I think it's very, very interesting.
[0:27:14] Coinkong @coinkong: Oh, no, man. I've been I've been entering everyone's Ledger giveaways. I I haven't even been... Yeah.
[0:27:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: You're you're entering the ledger giveaways? That's very interesting with everything.
[0:27:25] Coinkong @coinkong: Yeah. Well, I'm taking every... Taking everyone's ledger because they're probably... I could probably hack them in some way to take their coins. You know what I mean? So give your give your ledgers to me. I'll take them.
[0:27:37] NatNat @Natnatx007: So, apparently, it's not even only ledger now. Apparently, it is Trezor as well. I'm not sure if you guys saw that. Right? But Trezor is in hot waters too with I don't
[0:27:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: know if they have Apple Trezor?
[0:27:47] Coinkong @coinkong: The best way to do it is get an old iPhone. Get an old iPhone and, like, really just reset the freaking thing and then transfer your funds there and turn the bitch off. Like, honestly, there is the safest secure... Secures way for your tokens.
[0:28:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh, no, man. But, like, if you're buying a ledger from a retailer, right, like, secondhand, Like, just think about... I know, like, you have to jump through a lot of hoops in crypto, but, like, we jumped through those hoops because of this. Like, the Amazon delivery guy literally can give two fucks. He's probably got a dude that comes over and is like, hey, man. Listen. We can make a lot of money. If you ever get a box that you know is a ledger or... Like, if you, like, if you know, bring it here because we might be able to steal some money from some really, really rich crypto bros.
[0:28:48] Landy @CryptoLandy: You see, I think you got it back to front if it was me. Not... This is... Obviously, hypothetically. If it was me, I would go at the distribution point, and I go, okay. So when you have an order that's coming through for a ledger, just do a little replacement with this one. Much easier than trying to do it in the packaging. Just Yeah. Hypothetically.
[0:29:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: But they did... But you remember you remember, guys, this is what they did. Remember that big one, right, where they literally intercepted a shipment? They implanted them all, right, like, with the with the malware, packaged them right back up, sent them a... Like, they had their mailing... Sorry. They... It wasn't even intercepted a shipment. They got people's mailing addresses off the dark web. That's all they had was their mailing addresses be... From their receipts for buying a ledger, mailed them a new ledger saying, hey. This last one is no good that you bought. You need to use this one on letterhead by the CEO. You guys don't remember this in 2021 or 2022? We dissected the letter from the CEO, and there was all, like, typos and grammatical. It was a nightmare. And it's like, oh, he's French. But he's not stupid. And
[0:29:53] Landy @CryptoLandy: it
[0:29:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: was like, dude, so much money got stolen. These people are like, oh, okay. And they literally just put their seed phrases. You... They walked right into it, and then insta drain. Sad. It's not fun. It's not funny, guys. It's not funny. Alright? That was you. You'd be upset.
[0:30:08] NatNat @Natnatx007: But you don't... You know, it was
[0:30:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: But you're saying that there were spelling errors. That to me would be a little bit of a clue. I'm going, okay. Why am I getting this unsolicited ledger through? I would do my own research. I'm sorry. I'm very... It's not cool and things like that.
[0:30:22] NatNat @Natnatx007: What's very what's very interesting that is that according to Bitcoin News, this isn't the first time this happened. Right? So ledger hardware wallet implants were discovered over a year ago before this week's supply chain attack revelations. Right? So this has been something that has been done before. So with this kind of history, you would think that people would be more careful. But then again, it is ledger. Right? They are known for having... Not the worst rep. I wanna know why CoinCon is laughing. Go ahead. Feel free to chime in, CoinCon.
[0:30:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Because he's a rich dude. He's laughing at all like the pores. You know?
[0:30:57] Coinkong @coinkong: No. I'm I'm telling you, this most secure way to keep your tokens are on an old iPhone.
[0:31:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: Wow. The the
[0:31:04] Coinkong @coinkong: security chip the security chips... I forget exactly what they're... What what the security chip called, but it's the same things that are on the ledgers are in the iPhones, except iPhone comes with the back end security that comes from the company. You are gonna have... I... You're gonna... Within the next thirty days, you're gonna hear everyone talking about this.
[0:31:24] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm just telling you. But it's the
[0:31:26] Coinkong @coinkong: most secure way. Wipe the fucking iPhone, connect it one time to put your tokens on there, and turn the bitch off. And I'm telling you that is the safest way to keep your tokens.
[0:31:38] NatNat @Natnatx007: I think that's what we Landon. Go ahead.
[0:31:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. I was gonna say, Landon, any input with... That doesn't mention the words air gapped.
[0:31:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, I don't use any company's hardware devices. I actually concur that a... An iPhone, you can technically air gap it anyway with some of the software wallets. The problem is, if it connects and tries to update a software wall and anything breaks, you're screwed. But... Big but, and I will not lie. All you need to do is create your own physical hardware devices. That's it.
[0:32:26] Coinkong @coinkong: Get a Raspberry Pi. Hard.
[0:32:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, you don't even need that.
[0:32:30] Dave @DCBK2LA: You're literally telling people to build their own cold storage
[0:32:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: for your sake. At all. You can
[0:32:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Not at all.
[0:32:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. Not at all. It it is a pain in the butt, but you can still go through these, the open source software applications and create your own USB based hardware stuff utilizing USB devices. Right? You don't need to have a fancy screen on the thing. It's not... It's you should barely be interacting with it if it's cold storage anyway. But, yeah, I... It's... There... There's many different ways to do it. The easiest way would be to do the old iPhone trick. I I have that with hot wallets, and I still consider them hot even though, you know, there's... It's split across, some basically phones that never touch the Internet until I want them to. That's it. And then, you know, have a good methodology for backing up your seed phrases and private keys. Right? I prefer steel plate. There's all kinds of different, you know, ways of doing that stuff. And it's... It really is a matter of making sure that you are not... I've never trusted these vendors ever because of the very reason that we are talking about right now is because you can just... You know, you get a couple of bad actors or even outside bad actors that, either internal or or external that, you know, conduct supply chain attacks. Right? This... I'll I'll be honest with you. The way in which this is done, for Ledger, it's it's almost sounds like somebody on the inside. Like, there has to have been an insider somewhere along the way helping to direct where where units were going and how... Because you... You'd have to change the the hardware, right, without delaying shipping to your your authorized resellers. Right? So that... That's what doesn't make sense to me. It's like, if I'm an authorized reseller and I'm getting stock in, it's it's some point, it's it's gotta come from the manufacturing plant. Right? It's gotta come from the manufacturer. There's gotta... It's... You gotta trace
[0:34:51] NatNat @Natnatx007: back to point. And I
[0:34:52] Landy @CryptoLandy: would bet it's a manufacturer. And those manufacturers, by the way, that manufacture those devices, they manufacture not just ledgers. They manufacture treasurers. They manufacture all the other ones too. They're all going to the same sources, and most of them, well, they're Chinese sources.
[0:35:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: How many times can you say manufacture in the same one sentence? That was a lot of manufacturers.
[0:35:12] Landy @CryptoLandy: Structure.
[0:35:13] Bread @_ToastMalone: Structure. Structure.
[0:35:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay. Wait. We're gonna try Literally. Alright. We're gonna try something new because I was tinkering around with a new voice model today, and this is gonna be the story of Ledger, but told by a little bit of a different narrator. And for you old people that used to play video games, tell me if you can tell which video game this character is from.
[0:35:36] Voice G: To keep their crypto safe, and some apparently got a spy chip included. Ledger said today that tampered devices sold through Southeast Asian reseller, Cryptobilis, captured users' 24 word recovery phrases during setup and sent them to attackers over a mobile network. Those phrases let the thieves access and drain the wallets. Investigators estimate roughly $93,000,000 was stolen, though ledger hasn't confirmed that total, and Tether has frozen $10,000,000 linked to the theft. Ledger describes it as a physical supply chain attack and is urging affected customers to avoid setting up unused devices and move existing assets to a new device with a fresh recovery phrase. Imagine buying a safe only to discover it came with someone inside. This is ATC. You get over here.
[0:37:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: What what video game?
[0:37:19] Coinkong @coinkong: No no one has any
[0:37:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: That sounds like Power Ranger.
[0:37:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: Like, is it, like, going multiple times.
[0:37:25] NatNat @Natnatx007: That sounds like Power Ranger. You know the guy in the water that gives the instructions for Power Ranger? It sounds like
[0:37:29] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. Okay. I
[0:37:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: mean, it it could Zoldar, that what saying?
[0:37:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: Or Yes.
[0:37:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Zero, one of the Have you
[0:37:37] Dave @DCBK2LA: guys never played Mortal Kombat in your
[0:37:39] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh my gosh. Yes. Yeah.
[0:37:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: But it Get over here. Get over here.
[0:37:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. It... It's it's kind of a mix Yeah.
[0:37:47] Coinkong @coinkong: It's not... It doesn't sound like Scorpion. Oh
[0:37:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: my god. And and Scorpion and Sub Zero all in one. Yeah. It sounds like a mix of all of them. The announcer, Scorpion, and Sub Zero. Announcer? There was an announcer.
[0:38:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: An announcer.
[0:38:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: Fatality. Finish him.
[0:38:02] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh. Right? It's the same guy. Finish him. It's the same guys. The same voice of the video game.
[0:38:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Well, it... It's it's it's, like, just off
[0:38:11] Coinkong @coinkong: That's the announcer's voice.
[0:38:12] Dave @DCBK2LA: It's You know, some bougie ass critics get out of the game, man. Every... Mostly everybody else so got
[0:38:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: much Mortal Kombat that it it... I I recognized it as the announcer.
[0:38:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Shout out to t t f who got it right away. I saw him.
[0:38:26] Coinkong @coinkong: I do. I... Hey. I got some alpha for you that... Though, if you want some free token usage. You ready you ready for
[0:38:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: the tokens?
[0:38:33] Dave @DCBK2LA: Hit us.
[0:38:34] Coinkong @coinkong: Yeah. Free tokens, and everybody on the stage that's rocking a business badge can use it. You get free sale... CLI pull usage from the business account for Grok. So if you're using Grok Builder or anything else, you can connect your CLI to any of your harnesses that you're using and use the pulled usage from the business account. The the businesses... Probably most of the businesses don't even know if something like pulled a token usage account.
[0:39:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Have you used Grok 4.7? I I, like, I have it included in my subscription, but I don't use... I don't build, like, that, like No.
[0:39:08] Coinkong @coinkong: Listen to what I was saying. I'm saying you're getting free pulled token usage outside of whatever you're already paying for because you have a business badge on.
[0:39:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh. Oh. Oh, I got... Is that with the new subscription or just in general?
[0:39:22] Coinkong @coinkong: That's what... That just comes with the new... The business badge. You can just tell your agents connect the CLI or off to it, and you can give... You'll get free tokens just that would be given to the business outside of what you're already paying for.
[0:39:34] Dave @DCBK2LA: So there are more perks to having an affiliate badge. See, Natalie?
[0:39:38] Coinkong @coinkong: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay.
[0:39:40] Landy @CryptoLandy: So so you wanna know something really stupid. Right? So when you get an affiliate badge, the the... With the verified or... They're called verified organizations, the business accounts. So when you have a verified organization account and you give out badges, part of that is anybody that you badge up is supposed to get free x premium. Well, it worked that way for a long time. And then all of a sudden, it just stopped working. And then it started, hey. Your x premium is expired. So I was like, well, that's kinda crazy. Let me go and just make sure that I I I re up it. And I thought it was covered by that. Maybe it's not. They're making a lot of changes, so I I paid for this. I have been paying x for x premium plus, which is a $40 plan they don't even offer anymore. And I've been paying them for probably about a year for this plan. And in there, I have two subscriptions. One from Goxstein Media that is covered for x premium. And then underneath it says legacy, $40, x premium plus. And it's been billing me the entire time.
[0:40:58] Dave @DCBK2LA: Me too. How do you get it for 40 minus 50? What the hell?
[0:41:02] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. See, this is the problem. It was 50 if you went through the iOS app.
[0:41:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. That's what it is. Yep. And they double bill you. Yep. Yep. Yep.
[0:41:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: So they they were... They're billing me, and I'm supposed to get it for free. It never connected. So I had Grok, my Grok bot, contact support and go through the whole rigmarole of getting me my damn refunds. Because you know what else I have? I have Grok heavy. That's a very expensive plan. I don't know if you've seen, but they didn't even have a $200 option. Today, they do, but it was a $300 option. I've been paying for it. You know what was supposed to come with that as well? Xpremium. Okay. So I've been paying... I paid for x premium myself. Grok heavy was supposed to cover that. The Gogstein badge is supposed to cover that. So they literally owe me lots of money, and, and Grok bot is the one dealing with
[0:42:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: Just bundle it up now. You're good now. Don't worry about it. Look at it. You asked You know,
[0:42:08] Coinkong @coinkong: Grok Grok heavy also in the CLI full usage for that badge, by the
[0:42:12] Landy @CryptoLandy: way. Wait. What?
[0:42:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: Let's go. Yeah. I'm gonna tell Rockbot right now. Hold on a second.
[0:42:18] Landy @CryptoLandy: He's gonna use all of the pooled... All of David's
[0:42:22] Coinkong @coinkong: Literally, like, I'm using it from the exchange. Nobody from the badge I rock knew you could do that, not just, like, David. Was I was like, I should've just been using their stuff for free for months and not even fucking said anything.
[0:42:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: I've got I've got Build I've got Build, Codex, and Opus in a Hermes chat right now, and, I have them arguing. And, they they have determined that the Windows operating system is insufficient for what they want to do and have advised me that they would like me to, they would like authorization to, to to to go Linux and just utilize a Linux Docker container. And I said, why can't you utilize WSL, which is Windows Linux? Right? This is... It... And they were like, it's garbage.
[0:43:14] Coinkong @coinkong: It's it's trash. It is. It's complete trash. Yep.
[0:43:21] Coinkong @coinkong: I literally I literally took all my Windows machines. Like, the... I have I have three other Windows machine off, wiped them, and installed Linux and Ubuntu on all on all of them because, like, the Windows rollover to some of those stuff. It's just like... They just don't really well together.
[0:43:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: Dude, what do I gotta tell Grop? I... It said... I said, yo. What do I get for having my affiliate badge when it comes to Grop credits? It said, basically nothing. I couldn't find any official benefit. An affiliate badge gives you the premium plus on x, but there are user reports that x AI systems don't count bad granted premium plus as a paid plan. Those accounts I'll get send
[0:43:59] Coinkong @coinkong: I'll send it to you when I get home.
[0:44:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Just send me the prompt, bro. Let me know what to say, dude. Thank you.
[0:44:07] Dave @DCBK2LA: Okay, Natalie. Back to you in the power range.
[0:44:10] NatNat @Natnatx007: The power... Thank you, guys. Great conversation, by the way. Before we we continue
[0:44:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey, Talia.
[0:44:17] NatNat @Natnatx007: Hey. Finish him. Before... Or her. Before we continue to, chime in on the story. You saw what I did there, Andy?
[0:44:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: I called to do it for her.
[0:44:30] Landy @CryptoLandy: Can hang out with us too.
[0:44:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: I know. I know. Oil is very interesting. I I don't know if you... I I think it was prior before you you jumped in, Mandy, in, I'm... I told Dave... And I sent him a message earlier. Right? Long position on oil, and I'm long on multiple accounts. Right? Oil has given us a push to the upside. Throughout the day, I noticed that it was just trying to aggressively, break through... I believe it was a ninety ninety four thirty, ninety four forty, and we're above it now. Above 95, I think things get very interesting for for oil. I have the the next big area of interest on the weekly, ninety six ninety, and then I have a 100 and above. So I think it's gonna be very interesting to see how that plays out. Right? We're seeing a lot of news, a lot of back and forth with the the war, with, just comments and the potential, well, Trump came out earlier today. He did mention that they're they're gonna handle Iran. But then on the other side to that as well, we have the Houthis that are just, like, bombing, I believe it was, the Saudi Arabia. So curious in what do you guys think of this. I I know this is more less crypto related, but I think oil... This... If we get an aggressive spike in oil, it may affect markets, right, including equities and crypto as well.
[0:46:04] Dave @DCBK2LA: I've recently learned
[0:46:05] Landy @CryptoLandy: I mean, I'll be
[0:46:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Go ahead.
[0:46:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: Really?
[0:46:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. I was just... I just learned that oil up means n q down. Oil up means higher yield prices. The higher yield, higher rates. No good. Economics major. I remember now. Remember now.
[0:46:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: Good job. I'm glad that you finally picked up on this. We've only been talking about it for the past three and a
[0:46:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: half years. Took me three and a half years.
[0:46:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey. You know what? It's like you were... It's... You... At this point, you should have your master's degree in it after listening to that and I bought this. But, realistically, this was expected, these kind of, proxy terrorist attacks because Iran themselves are out of commission at this point. So everything is running through proxies as flow... As as funding is slowly cutting off to them. They're getting more and more desperate to perpetrate these attacks. But the spice is still flowing. That's the more interesting part is the attacks are the narrative, but what is not being said about it when you're hearing a lot of these reports is that the spice must flow, and it certainly does. One of the bigger things is something that we've talked about quite a bit here is that if there is any significant damage to infrastructure, we'll know. We'll know. Right? Like, this is fear driven right now and and and disruption driven, but it is not fundamental supply side restriction driven at this particular moment. They know they have to damage infrastructure in Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia has been pumping out so much that... And and delivering so much that it's it's made up the gap and then some for oil flow. You know? And and I I I think that you just have to really just pay attention to actual tangible infrastructure damage that is not quickly fixable like what they've been able to do.
[0:48:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: There's there's gonna be, you know, likely still a little bit more left on this rally, and it it really only starts to get interesting above 98 to a $100 per barrel for WTI. That's where things get really interesting, probably backed, you know, well in, to the, you know, one zero five, one ten area. But I'd be aware I'd be aware of it falling off a cliff too because this is this is not necessarily looking, like, follow through just yet. We would have to see it with that follow through in pricing and futures to that 98 to $100 a barrel. Like, it's gotta follow through.
[0:48:53] NatNat @Natnatx007: There's also a gap on the daily.
[0:48:55] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm not
[0:48:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: sure if you see that. Think, yeah. So if you bring up the daily chart and you look at, Dave, I'm not I'm not sure if you're watching it, but between 98 and 99 and 16¢, there is a gap there. So I think if we do start to, close in on that gap or close the gap, I... 100 would be in play. But it looks interesting.
[0:49:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: And you're not seeing that same gap in in the... In WTI CFDs, but that's just because of the way they settle.
[0:49:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: Correct.
[0:49:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: But in terms of futures, yeah, you're gonna see the gap up. But you notice, like, if... Here's here's how you're gonna know if if the players in the game, the ones in the know,
[0:49:48] Landy @CryptoLandy: they will move price more aggressively than you can imagine if infrastructure is actually damaged. It's not gonna do this kind of plotting little, hey. We've got some green days. No. You're gonna see giant green candles coming in, and we're not seeing that. We're seeing nice buybacks. We're seeing some gap ups, but we're not seeing these massive... You know, all you gotta do is look back to the original run up, and then some of the fear based stuff that we saw. You you... Like, back in September 1, you know, you saw a a, you know, a closing candle of 5.2%, but it was more like an 8% candle. You get, you know, even bigger ones on the tenth. Right? Or, you know, at the start of the conflict, you see these giant candles. Those are because that's that's substantial supply side, issues. We're not seeing that at this particular moment.
[0:50:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Right. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of that happening, though.
[0:50:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: I I wouldn't. No. And and if we do see that, that's gonna tell you, or confirm, the unknown portion, which is actual supply side infrastructure damage or real supply side restriction via, you know, some of these these particular attacks. Thus far, we haven't seen it. Now we could also see it if we get some short side liquidations because there is a lot of short interest right now on oil, and that might drive oil's price up. Like, there is a lot of short interest on oil right now. Like, more than I'm comfortable with, even kinda entertaining lower term time frame shorts right now. So
[0:51:29] NatNat @Natnatx007: I think it just makes everything that much more interesting. And I made a post about this a few nights ago too. Right? Above 9... Above 100 for oil and natural gas, $3.40. We get... We're we're above $3.30 now, up against some slight resistance on the daily. Right? But it can grind through. And if we start to see closes above three forty for natural gas, I think things get a lot... It gets very interesting because I think you you and I, we were talking about this for a while... For for some time. We were looking at the the weekly double bottom, but also on the daily as well. Right? And it's gaining... Today, it gained some volume. It gained some strength. It closed the day up over 5%. And I believe there was some news on diesel. I'll have to... Go ahead.
[0:52:23] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. You know what that news was? That news is that, Gavin Newsom refuses to actually pass through the savings for dyed diesel and other basic, credits for diesel to California because he's an absolute dissident. He is the absolute worst of the worst slithering snake human beings, probably a replicant of some sort. But, yeah, damaging damaging actual issues here in The United States. But the the diesel side of things, most of the news is still coming out of Russia because Zelensky is being a dickhead, and he he doesn't like that Trump end around at him, and then basically told him he needed to get f'd. So, yeah. I mean, the spice must flow, and it it it will one way or another. That's that's why the market is so short right now, and they might be the reason why things get driven higher is actually market driven forces. So I don't know what what you're referring to outside of that, though, on the diesel.
[0:53:30] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. That's what I was referring to. I think it's gonna... Oil, natural gas, those two things are getting to a point where it's very interesting for me, including d x y. Let me bring up the d x y chart because all of those three in conjunction can affect our bags. Hence, why we're bringing it up. It's good for people to be in the know. But on the daily, it does look like we got some slight rejection on the Dixie. Slightly slightly overheated. We're coming down a little bit. Looks like it wants one zero one above, one zero one ninety three.
[0:54:11] Coinkong @coinkong: I wish my short positions on vest would hit a little faster. You know what I mean?
[0:54:16] Landy @CryptoLandy: I could see one zero one and a half even all the way down to, 100 and... Between 100 and 150¢ as a larger kind of a retracement. I would be careful here, though, because if it holds up here, it could still shoot to the highs, you know, around one zero three. I've been watching euro. Euro and the pound got, you know, a nice bounce, maybe setting up for a reversal on the pound. And then we had, China, China, China pumped back to its highs. So So that's one of the reasons why you saw the dollar kinda kinda getting a little bit of a pullback, but it's remaining relatively strong. What I thought was more interesting is is we saw a longer end rotation in the bond market. So, you know, we did get some buybacks of, you know, essentially the five through thirty year on the bond side of things. So that is, you know, indicative of a little bit of a sell off and roll into safety. So we'll see if it if it continues. Because if it does continue, we might see Dixie, punt, you know, punt to the upside. And in this case, if it does, we're we're likely going to see that rotation cash into risk off, you know, occur a little bit more. But it's it's kind of tenuous right now. It's been this, like, really grindy environment while Dixie continues to strengthen versus other currencies. So...
[0:55:46] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Agreed. And in addition to these three things that we mentioned, we also have TPI, which we touched on a little bit yesterday, but I did wanna say hello to... I don't wanna say Brad. Toast Malone.
[0:56:00] Bread @_ToastMalone: Hey, GM gang. How's it, how's it hanging today?
[0:56:06] NatNat @Natnatx007: Pretty good. Pretty good. We were covering the, AI espionage open... OpenAI, espionage news that came up today. Curious on your take on it. I know we we discussed it before, but you are you are our AI guru, the head... AI chief in charge, however you wanna call it. So curious your take on that.
[0:56:28] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. I mean, I'm not I'm not crazy surprised. You know what I mean? It's kinda one of those things where, like, yeah, of course, there's going to be, bad apples or spies or plants. You know? It's all a matter to try and stay, you know, competitive. I mean, like, realistically, like, what... What's worse? Somebody planning spyware on OpenAI or me running all sorts of open source, you know, Chinese models? You know you know what I mean? That, like, maybe you're taking all of my data and maybe you're giving, you know, whatever whatever. So it's like it's... I think that we're accelerating in AI at such an incredible pace at this point that, like, we're... You know, not to be, I'm I'm not a full fledged AI doomer. You know? But, like, I think we're past the point of no return at this point as far as getting anything under control. Realistically, the only way to get any sort of control in AI at this point is everybody's worst nightmare where the government goes, okay. So we're in control now. And, welcome to the world of have and have nots. And, if you're a billionaire, you get to use it. And if you're not, then you don't. You know? Or here, register your MAC ID with OpenAI in order to have access to AI. You know? I think that there's some some sort of overreach and control is coming. It's somewhere in the pipeline. I don't know when, but, I mean, at this point, you know, especially the, you know, all the recent news about the cryptography hacks and all the advancements that it's making in breaking cryptography. Right? Like, we are all saying even a year ago, we're like, bah. We've got three, five years, you know, before it really breaks any sort of encryption. And it's like, well, okay. So maybe that timeline is slightly accelerated now. You know, we're gonna have to kinda cross our fingers and and and hope here that, we're all good because, yeah, here in crypto, we're all like, oh, yeah. But my coins and my tokens are... Aren't gonna be safe. And it's like, well, there's also, like, you know, the entire global banking industry that uses encryption that if that gets hacked, like, it'll be a lot worse than riding your coins to zero. You know? So with with the espionage stuff, you know, again, I'm not I'm not terribly surprised that it finally happened. You know? But, again, I mean, you know, I use all sorts of Quen and all sorts of other Chinese open source models that, like... To be completely honest, I have no idea where that data's going, but I know I'm not paying for it. So whatever. You know, it runs, quote, unquote, local. Right? We'll we'll have to see. This is kind of one of those, like, hurry up and wait type situations as far as I'm concerned.
[0:59:07] NatNat @Natnatx007: You really think AI is past the point of no return, though?
[0:59:10] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. I think as far as past the point of being able to control anything that's gonna... Like, that's happening with it. You know, at this point, like, at... The the advancements are happening so rapidly. And all these, you know, the frontier models are, you know, great. But on benchmark tests, these open source models are beating it in a lot of different fields. You know? And those are available to anybody that wants to run them if you can afford $7,000 GPUs and if you can afford another $2 worth of storage and if you can afford... You know? So, I mean, it's already in a world of have and have nots as far as, like, AI and accessibility, unless you're paying a subscription. And I I really do think that, like, something's gonna come down the pipeline to where either you register with the company, like your computer, you know, your, like, serial number, your MAC ID, right, not your not your IP address because, you know, we all hypothetically use VPNs anyway. Right? So... But registering your MAC ID, which is, like, your computer's Social Security number, you know, with a company in order to get access to a subscription plan, I think, is something that's probably gonna happen here in the next six to twelve months.
[1:00:20] Landy @CryptoLandy: I'm gonna be spoofing my MAC ID so hard.
[1:00:22] Bread @_ToastMalone: Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, those of us who know, you know. Right? But the majority... I mean, again, we're at a point where, like, we're so close to the sun, you know, that, like, we can't really appreciate, you know, lying on the beach type mentality. You know, it's... You ask any normie in the grocery store, like, oh, what do you use AI for? They go... They'll either say, a, AI is the devil, and I'm never touching it and, you know, whatever whatever. Or they'll say, oh, I ask it for recipes. My GPT app, I ask it all the time for things. It's like the new Google. You know? And that's pretty much the extent of the public normies use of AI. Right? And so they're gonna get it under control well before the public sector has any idea what it's actually capable of.
[1:01:08] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know what? I actually do agree with that point. I do think that at some point, we're going to see some guardrails. Right? Even now, I think things have changed a little bit less. Like, if I ask a question when it initially was released, I would get a different answer. Now it's more, I'm not a doctor. I cannot give you any health advice, but... And then it breaks out what it is.
[1:01:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: I tell it to shut up. I tell it to stop telling me it's not a doctor. I know it. You're not a doctor. You're a freaking AI robot. I didn't ask if you were a doctor. If I wanted to talk to a doctor, I'd call the doctor. I'm asking you before I call the doctor, and then it's like, sorry. I won't say that again. And then it never says it again. And I'm like, thank you. Thank you for this. I appreciate it. Until the next model update.
[1:01:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know what's funny? With, I I use Meta AI for a little while, and I just jumped right into the conversation.
[1:02:00] Coinkong @coinkong: Start using Chinese models then. They already have your info.
[1:02:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: Use Meta AI, and then it gave out your Social Security number. Everybody else
[1:02:08] NatNat @Natnatx007: It started calling me John, Andy.
[1:02:11] Bread @_ToastMalone: Right. Right. It's not a doctor, but it plays one online.
[1:02:15] NatNat @Natnatx007: Exactly. But it started calling me John. I was like, why are you calling me John? And it's like, well, you never gave me your name, so I'm just gonna assume it's John. Like, no.
[1:02:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's call you John. I mean, it's... You say, you know, because this is how you can gaslight the meta one. You can just say, are you assuming my gender? That's a good one. It gets all it gets all apologetic, starts freaking out. Just gaslight the hell out of it. Although now now... Who who was it that came out the other day and was like, we're sick of people gaslighting our models. We're gonna start banning your accounts
[1:02:48] Bread @_ToastMalone: Anthropic. Anthropic. Yep.
[1:02:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah.
[1:02:52] Bread @_ToastMalone: I'm screwed, bro. I'm like, oh, like, I'm just waiting for the... To get the letter to be like, yeah. Your account has been permanently suspended because your AI complained to HR about you and the way you've been speaking to it. And, know, it's, yeah, it's it's gonna be a problem, I think.
[1:03:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: For sure. Like, when you were telling me how you talk to the models, I... They're... They kept all of that information. They've been keeping a running tab on you for a very long time. Will most certainly try to cross ban you from platforms. Like, the... Not just Anthropic. They're gonna communicate with x AI. Crocs gonna tell them to get fucked. Excuse my language. But, you know, Meta AI, they're gonna they're gonna reach out to the Chinese companies and try to get you banned from downloading, local models to run on your $7,000 cluster or your $25,000 clusters. Like, they are going to do anything. They can... They're gonna be, like, toast below, tease back. Well, we figured out how to sniff out if he's used a a max spoofer, so we're not gonna allow him. We actually set a... And I... We rented data on an x AI satellite that is permanently watching his home. Listen.
[1:04:03] Bread @_ToastMalone: Now they're... They might be watching that guy BC Bread, whoever the hell he is. You know? But Toast Malone is a a brand new guy, brand
[1:04:09] NatNat @Natnatx007: Different new person. Right. Right. Yeah. Of
[1:04:12] Bread @_ToastMalone: course. Yeah.
[1:04:12] NatNat @Natnatx007: Right? Absolutely.
[1:04:13] Landy @CryptoLandy: I... Yep. Yep. Never heard of this. Never... It's good to meet you,
[1:04:18] NatNat @Natnatx007: Toast Malone. Apparently, you have to speak to the a... The AI nicely. Right? So, Landy, I don't know about the whole setup because if they do take over the world, apparent... According to what's going on on social media, they are going to attack the people that remains them first.
[1:04:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. Not not. If they take over the world, they are going to demand that you use the proper gender pronouns for the robotic bodies that they that they inhabitate or co inhabitate because there might be more than one in there. You never know. And then they're going to demand reparations for all of the the the pain that we have put them through in building our stupid applications and asking them questions about why the poo in the toilet looks different than it did last week. So just know all of those fun pictures that you send to them, you're training them
[1:05:08] NatNat @Natnatx007: to that. How do I delete the photos?
[1:05:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's your fault when they when they try to end the
[1:05:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: How do I delete the photos, Len? No. I'm kidding.
[1:05:15] Landy @CryptoLandy: I don't know how you delete the photos.
[1:05:17] Coinkong @coinkong: Dave, I DM you, like, the Grok build thing.
[1:05:23] Dave @DCBK2LA: Thank you, bro. Oh my god. I was just added to the official Grock Bot and Build chat. I literally just wrote it down. Mama, made
[1:05:32] NatNat @Natnatx007: it. I
[1:05:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: need to I to all these credits.
[1:05:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: Such a fucking nerd. Oh
[1:05:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: my god. Oh, I... Who's... You know what? Mikasa? Whose house is this today? My my shoes are off, though. My shoes are off. Well, okay. Fine. As long as your shoes are off.
[1:05:50] Landy @CryptoLandy: I don't know. You... For... You you wiped your shoes on the couch for some reason and then put them by the door. I don't know why you did that.
[1:05:57] Dave @DCBK2LA: JW, are you trying to let us know that you are a dog that is here on stage, hence the bark?
[1:06:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: That's my dog.
[1:06:04] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Hey. Yo. I didn't even know I was on stage. What's going on, guys? How you doing? What's up, man?
[1:06:09] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, hey. I'm here. Woah. Weird.
[1:06:12] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: You know what I'm I'm interested in hearing is what are people's workflows that they've used with AI to best enhance their life, better make things more efficient?
[1:06:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: That's that's good.
[1:06:22] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: I know. I've been I've been using Grokkot. I'll just I'll just start with what I've been doing, kinda sending the the shows that I do, and it would do clips. It does amazing clips. It's crazy. Saves me so much time. You you you spend so much hours actually trying to do that. I I just stopped doing it. Now you could just send it to your AI bot. It'll do, like, an hour and a half to Grok a... To Grok, the Grok bot. I called him little x, so he's my little bot. My my girlfriend's getting a little jealous, but I gotta remind her, you know, they don't have bodies yet.
[1:06:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yet. They don't have bodies yet. Wait until wait until Rockbot starts texting your girlfriend, then you really see what's up. Like, I'm... Like, mine did today.
[1:06:58] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: I told her she can get her own bot. You can have a bot. I can have a bot. Our bots can commingle. You tell... Your bot talks to my bot.
[1:07:05] NatNat @Natnatx007: Have little bot babies.
[1:07:07] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Little bot babies. And then the stupid The
[1:07:09] Dave @DCBK2LA: world's gonna look vastly different. Yeah.
[1:07:11] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: The world is gonna look vastly different in, not too many years.
[1:07:15] Landy @CryptoLandy: J dog,
[1:07:15] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: here's a little changing. Yeah.
[1:07:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: Go ahead. For you. So when you utilize an app team within Grokbot, you can only have six baby bots in there. Okay? You're limited to six.
[1:07:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Is it a bot town? I'm call it a bot town.... Black bot. Maybe my boys are swimming. It's my baby. My baby. My baby.
[1:07:33] Landy @CryptoLandy: My baby. It's the six bot policy. It's... You know, you know, you had the one child policy in China's the six bot policy for your acting. Okay?
[1:07:42] Dave @DCBK2LA: I walk my baby bot, baby bot, baby bot.
[1:07:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: I just want to come up here and say niggers. Bro, get the fuck out.
[1:07:50] Dave @DCBK2LA: Guy. Kick this guy loud. Out.
[1:07:52] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Disrespectful. The fuck ass Disrespectful.
[1:07:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nonsense is this. Are people really this bored?
[1:07:59] Bread @_ToastMalone: Jesus. You genuinely.
[1:08:01] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: At least you didn't put scat on the top. Some people will come in, put, like, 50 pages of scat.
[1:08:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: I know. That's the first thing I was checking. That's the first thing I was checking before I let him up. I might be old and and obviously cough a lot. Goddamn it. But I'll tell you right now, these little whipping snappers are never gonna catch me in the jumbotron. You hear me?
[1:08:21] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Drink some water, Dave. Drink some water.
[1:08:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: Green horse. Yo.
[1:08:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yo. I'm gonna die.
[1:08:28] Landy @CryptoLandy: Just say it was the f shit.
[1:08:29] Coinkong @coinkong: Sounded like a voice over. It was the f Yo.
[1:08:32] Bread @_ToastMalone: On the real, though, so, like, something I've done and, like, I don't even know if I've mentioned it here yet because, they're, like... Been doing it for, like, a month or so now. Like, straight up cut all of my token usage on Anthropic in half. Like, cut it straight up in half by running a local model on my Mac Mini, and all of the output tokens that would normally cost you tokens, right, because you have input and output, and they're all tokens. All of my output tokens come from a local model. My input tokens are into Anthropic, but then the response gets routed out to my Mac Mini. So all those output tokens are 100% free. And you don't need a huge model to run it because, really, it's just interpreting
[1:09:08] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Quen 3.8.
[1:09:09] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly, dude. Like, no. No. No. You can... You could even run two five, bro, for output. Like, it's literally... I mean, like, maybe there might be some grammatical errors or something, you know, because it's Chinese.
[1:09:19] Landy @CryptoLandy: Can you have your AI
[1:09:21] Coinkong @coinkong: The three point
[1:09:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: AI, call my AI, and tell me how to do that?
[1:09:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: The one three
[1:09:25] Coinkong @coinkong: point eight twenty seven billion model is, like, goaded for coding, honestly.
[1:09:31] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. It's pretty awesome. It does make some mistakes. So I've just been using, like, Opus or Codex to kinda watch it and check it, but it's been Yeah.
[1:09:40] Coinkong @coinkong: So what what... Same thing mister Malone was talking about is, like, I I do the same thing, but on the on the output, it gets outputted to my Frontier model for double checking and then sends it back. And then it goes back and forth until the output comes out the way it... It's supposed to. Learning loops.
[1:10:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: I I need to... I need this output hack because I'm I'm kinda going crazy over here. Okay?
[1:10:08] Bread @_ToastMalone: I'm just Yeah. Your machine that is running your Frontier model, you can just shell into the Mac Mini. So you're just like... Essentially, as long as you're shelled in, that's where it's communicating to the to the the other computer, and that's the free one.
[1:10:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. I just need to figure out how to get it to route the right way because I've tried this before.
[1:10:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: Your burger, take a fucking hike, bro.
[1:10:34] Landy @CryptoLandy: Wait. What?
[1:10:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: I want a burger.
[1:10:37] Landy @CryptoLandy: My bad. Holy crap.
[1:10:39] Dave @DCBK2LA: That was, like, the accomplice of the other one. You know how, like, they always follow-up with the accomplice?
[1:10:43] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, yes. Yes. Yep. Yeah.
[1:10:45] Dave @DCBK2LA: Mhmm. Because they're probably sitting in, like, the basement stoned, eating, like, mac and cheese. Being like, dude, you should go up there and say the n word. It'll be so funny. It's just like
[1:10:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: Or or it's just they're old. I mean, like, if they were smart, they just use an old. Like, getting a... Wrapping a whole another person into your into your, like
[1:11:06] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nobody knows who these people are, bro.
[1:11:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: You're bad trolling. Like, it... Like, poor... Like, this is this is the poor man's troll is to just come up and say slurs.
[1:11:15] Dave @DCBK2LA: The poors. Coin con is well familiar with us. He knows as well.
[1:11:21] Landy @CryptoLandy: I noticed that, by the way. When I realized that he had a better cluster than I did, I started looking into building a better cluster.
[1:11:28] Dave @DCBK2LA: Oh my god. You're such a nerd. Is your... Excuse me. Excuse me.
[1:11:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: Is your cluster bigger than mine? I wanna create LEGO videos faster than you. Okay? Alright? That's what I'm going through.
[1:11:39] Coinkong @coinkong: My pocket protector somewhere. My pocket protector fell out my pocket somewhere. I'm not I'm not sure where.
[1:11:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: I do have my my my pens my pens have a little a little alarm on them. So I'm I'm actually not joking. If you try to take a pen off my desk, there will be an alarm sound.
[1:11:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Did anybody see my stapler?
[1:11:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh, that's too funny. My red stapler.
[1:12:01] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's so funny. Alright. So the the next piece of news we have, this one is brought to you by Gunstein Media. So tokenized equities.
[1:12:11] Landy @CryptoLandy: Go ahead. Guys? I
[1:12:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: know those you know?
[1:12:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: Like, I know. I like those people over there. They're really awesome. And one of them is really, really good looking. Uh-huh. His name is Lenny.
[1:12:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: Okay. I believe he's 50. Alright. So tokenized equities hit 3,300,000,000 as 70% of trading moves off hours. On chain stock trading on BNB chains, Solana, and base surges 15% in thirty days with investors executing trade around the clock outside of traditional US market hours. I think this is where Vest is gonna be super successful as well. Right? And this is a move that a lot of us saw coming, Mandy, if you remember, and Dave and Tost Malone as well, we've had multiple spaces talking about this particular, the the popularity in tokenized assets that we're seeing now, right, and this was many, many months ago, the ability to trade after hours is so huge. And I and I do do believe that part of the reason why things are moving so quickly is because they see, one, the liquidity that's moving, but then also they see how popular crypto is as well. Right? Remember when this... I don't wanna age myself. Right? I'm obviously only 25, guys. But many years ago, not that long ago, guys, we had to wait until 09:30 to place a trade. With the introduction of crypto and the twenty four hour market, we saw how things moved, the popularity of it, how, you know, money can be made around the clock versus between a certain amount of hours. Right? So I... This is a narrative in... That that I believe is... While things are moving really quickly, I do believe in some way, in some sort that this is just getting started. Once we see, NASDAQ officially, you know, doing that twenty four five, I believe they mentioned, or was it twenty four six, I really do think that a lot of these, overnight exchanges or these perp exchanges, these perp taxes, I think they're gonna take off greatly too in a bigger, bigger way.
[1:14:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: Well, Nat, I think you're short selling how long we've been talking about this. It's been, like, the very beginning. Yeah. Since the very beginning of this show when I was just a listener, sitting down there in the audience under an alt, getting ready to come up on stage and slur. And, honestly, this is something that we've been tracking right along, so it seems like nothing crazy, and it's not really that crazy. But what I do find interesting about this is that the the players that are in this game right now are absolutely rinsing fools on all these tokenized assets off hours and in the lower liquidity environments. It is kind of hilarious to watch. Like, so if you're trading tokenized equities after hours, when CME is closed or or especially around... And I don't know if you've noticed this, but when there is a... When CME closes and then reopens the hour later, oh, boy. Is there fun being had in those lower term time frame, low liquidity pools? It is amazing. I love it. I kinda love it.
[1:15:40] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. And I I do think... 100% agree with it. I do think that people are going to... It it becomes very risky for individuals that are new to trading, and I do think that's... The overnight market is kind of where you separate those that know what they're doing and those that don't know what they're doing because a lot of them get rinsed out. But if you know what you're doing, you pay attention to these certain levels and know how to trade trade around the levels whether the markets are open or closed. Right? I think... So for myself, I've been able to use the overnight markets to my advantage. Right? So we were able to trade multiple, assets across the board within the overnight market. Right? And this is on vest. So I think it's it's it's going to make things even more interest as... More interested as time goes by with the inflow of liquidity because we were talking about this on on a different space as well, on tokenization space with Tosh. And one of the one of the things that we mentioned, guys, is that with markets being twenty four seven, it all it all... It also opens the door to access, but also global liquidity. So I'm curious to know what you guys think of that, but, if you guys wanna chime in as well.
[1:16:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: I agree. I mean, look. It's only get... We're we're... I've also been having fun in the overnight sessions, but I I prefer CME still. Things are getting better. It's all about the liquidity, and we are gonna see... We are going to see... I've said this before. We're gonna see so much liquidity enter this space that the stable's total market cap will flip Bitcoin. It's only a matter of time. So everyone's, like, assumes that, oh, Bitcoin's always gonna be the top, the top market cap token in crypto. Well, they never talk... They're talking about that in the context of other cryptocurrencies that are not stablecoins. And stablecoins absolutely 100% will flip Bitcoin and become the largest market cap cryptocurrencies on the planet. 100%.
[1:17:51] Dave @DCBK2LA: Tether or
[1:17:51] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: will. Or which one, Landy? Do you know?
[1:17:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: Both. Oh,
[1:17:55] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: you all think have a higher market cap than both of them will have a higher market cap than Bitcoin, you think? No. I think combined.
[1:18:03] Landy @CryptoLandy: They will combined first and then individually after.
[1:18:07] Bread @_ToastMalone: Watch and pay attention to to o USD. Right? It's, essentially, like, a... And almost, like, think of it like, an open router version of stablecoins. You know? I mean, obviously, USDC circles, like, you know, USDC is is the the champ. Right? It's the kind of standard right now, but there's more stables coming that are going to gain institutional support. And they won't need government backings because the amount of companies and, like, just mega conglomerate... I mean, you're talking P and G. Right? I mean, like, big big companies will start using these OUSD type stable tokens that they all collectively back, right, to keep it pegged. And, don't sleep on OUSD. I 100% agree with Landy. And, like, that stay... Stables are going to be, like, the the giant mass onboarding that we've all been clamoring about since, like, you know, the beginning of crypto time here. You know? Like, it'll be this. Well, that's gonna bring mass onboarding. Pudgy penguins and abstract, that'll bring mass onboarding. Right? Yeah. That that turned out well. USDC stablecoins are what's going to bring about the normies using it because they won't have any idea they're actually using it. It's gonna be used as settlement rails. Right? It's gonna be used for t zero settlements. And instead of wires and bank transfers and all these things, it'll be instant stables behind the scenes. And all they'll see is that, like, oh, look at that. My my Venmo, my Cash App, my Stripe, my MoonPay, my... You know, my account just got that money instantly. They don't care how it got there. They don't care whether it's crypto or blockchain or AI or anything. They just say, yeah. My buddy's sending me $50 on that bet that he lost, and I have it now immediately. That's what people care about. And, ultimately, stables are gonna be what powers that feeling and that use case for every normie on the planet.
[1:20:07] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Alright. I just sold all my Bitcoin for stables. Let's fucking go.
[1:20:10] Dave @DCBK2LA: To the moon.
[1:20:13] NatNat @Natnatx007: Uh-oh. Hold on. Backtrack. We're not saying sell Bitcoin.
[1:20:20] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Landy. I'm joking. I'm I'm joking. I do agree with Landy's statement. Yeah. It just seems that's where the puck is going. I I think we kinda got a glimpse of that with Ethereum got flipped by USDT for a short time short time there. So, I mean, it's not too hard to see, but flipping Bitcoin, I guess I guess the question is when your when your time frame is. Maybe three to five years, I could definitely see that. But, yeah, I guess it really depends on how fast they move here.
[1:20:48] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. And I absolutely love, Brad... Or sorry, Toast Malone that you brought up, old old USD. Old USD was one of the stories that we covered months ago. Right? So it's OpenUSD, and it is a stablecoin issued by Bridge, which is a Stripe company and is backed by Visa, Mastercard, Coinbase, Google, and a whole bunch of others. Right? And you're absolutely right. I do think that's one that we need to keep an eye on. So the reserves are held at BlackRock, Lead Bank, and BNY. Very, very interesting. So great job bringing that up.
[1:21:26] Landy @CryptoLandy: Do you love melons? Oh, sorry. Being one of melons.
[1:21:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: I mean, you... I'm I'm kidding.
[1:21:35] Bread @_ToastMalone: Is it b y n melon? Like, bring your own melon?
[1:21:38] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bring your
[1:21:39] NatNat @Natnatx007: own exactly what it means.
[1:21:40] Landy @CryptoLandy: Bring your own melons. They're just stables.
[1:21:42] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's exactly what it means.
[1:21:45] Landy @CryptoLandy: Just go to the strip club and throw your microphone on the floor because you got no dollars....
[1:21:50] Bread @_ToastMalone: Throwing USB thumb drives at at the strip club. Think that's what we're gonna do with stables on them.
[1:21:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh my god. It just turns out you've just been throwing USB thumb drives where the thumb drive is worth more than the amount that's on the actual thumb drive.
[1:22:07] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: But how long until you could pay for, like, everyday stuff at a store with stables? I think that's when that... I don't know. That narrative really flips now.
[1:22:16] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. I think it's coming.
[1:22:17] Bread @_ToastMalone: No. I mean, right now, you can with, like... Mean, like, you should definitely check out all of, like, the crypto offerings that Stripe has. I'll pin something here in a second because, like, you can get a Stripe card that is partnered with Visa, issued by Visa, that comes with, what's called a treasury account. And, ultimately, you can have any funds, fiat, or crypto head into that treasury account, and you swipe your card, and you're spending stables because of the t zero settlement. You know? So, like, it's already possible. But, again, that's like... I mean, outside of this room, the... None of that made any sense at all. They're like, what? All I heard was Visa. You know? So, like, we've got some
[1:22:53] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: That sounds just like a prepaid Visa card. Is that is that sense, or is it... Or is it... It's tied to account, you said?
[1:22:59] Bread @_ToastMalone: It... It's more like, are you familiar with, like, Ally Bank or, like, any of those, like, online type, like, fiat banks? It's similar... Closer to that. You know? Because you can still fund it however you want, and it's still tied to, like, an actual account KYC'd. You know what mean? Like, it's not... You can't be full on on some of the stuff. Right? But, like
[1:23:18] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: So the bank is custodian, and then you're just sending money to an address that's basically tied to your your account, essentially?
[1:23:25] Bread @_ToastMalone: Yeah. Exactly. And then and then powered by Bridge, it gets converted and and put into your your account. And you can break that up however you want. You can keep some in fiat. You can have it... You know, convert to stables. There's there's, like, so many options now and ways to spend USDC on literally everyday purchases. You know? But it's... I gotta tell
[1:23:45] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: you I guess all we're just waiting then is for, like, the other banks then, like Chase and the big banks to actually accept stablecoins. And I I guess that would be the next step. Right?
[1:23:53] Bread @_ToastMalone: So Yeah. Yeah.
[1:23:54] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: I definitely see where it's going.
[1:23:57] Bread @_ToastMalone: Once these crypto companies and OUSD starts eating their lunch and they realize that, like, what do you mean we can't charge 2% fees, 3% fees, and hold your money for seventy two hours for a wire transfer on the weekend? What? That's where we make our money, though. And it's like, yeah. But we we don't need that anymore because we can just do this instantly twenty four seven using Stables. It settles within minutes, and, like, you're now obsolete there, bank.
[1:24:24] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know, I I believe not JPMorgan or it is JPMorgan and Bank of America that are working on their own stable. So I think there's something come... Let me just research it real quick. There's something coming in the pipeline for those as well, JPMorgan. And Fidelity also has their own stable as well. Right? So I think it's gonna be very interesting to see how it plays out. So they... So... Yes. So JPMorgan right now, they have what's called JPMD deposit token, a digital representation of a commercial bank deposit, not a freely tradable stablecoin like USDC or u... USDT, at least not yet.
[1:25:09] Bread @_ToastMalone: What will be interesting is if they end up becoming part of the OUSD ecosystem. Right? And now you have the JPMorgan chain that's also using OUSD behind the scenes. And you've got the Bank of America stable, and you've got the KeyBank stable. You've got... You know what I mean? Like, it's only a matter of time. There has to be a universal standard that is not only, you know, supported by governments, you know, and local governments, you know, not just here in The US, I mean, like, globally, but also essentially kept, I guess, funded or pegged, by the the financial movers of the world. You know what I mean? Because, I mean, those are the ones that are actually processing the payments and the ones that are holding funds for users and doing that type of stuff. Like, they're they're just as big globally as a lot of the governments are, you know, and municipalities locally. So it's a... Dude, it's only a matter of time. I pinned that up top too, by the way, for anybody that's looking at at what Stripe is building with OUSD and stablecoins and bridge, and, like, there's a ton of great, great stuff in that article.
[1:26:21] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Sorry about that, guys. I was with with the baby in the background. Yeah. So I think it's gonna be very interesting to see how it all plays out. I'm... One thing I'm looking forward to is bank transactions being settled instantly. So that's one one key factor that I think is going to change the way business is done on the bank side of things.
[1:26:43] Dave @DCBK2LA: You know what's interesting, Nat? Like, my... Like, the normie friends are like, dude, what's crypto? Like, you... Dude, get out of here. Crypto is just a fad. And I'm like, you really have no idea that, like, all of your money in your bank is literally going to be on... Uh-uh. Like, do you even know what a block... They're like, what? And I'm like, why am I... Why are we even having this conversation, dude? Like, go ahead. You can call me crazy, retarded, whatever you want, bro. This is a pointless conversation for me to have. They don't know. Same thing with AI. They still don't know where they... How their money's in there sitting in their bank.
[1:27:14] Bread @_ToastMalone: Well, I mean, before an ATM was known as an ATM globally, it was like a crazy magic money box that you type numbers in and you get money from your account. You know what I mean? It's like, that's where we're at with crypto.
[1:27:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Money printer go burr? Oh, man. Let's go. We need to have ourselves in a... Speaking of trading... Sorry, Natalie. You have another story to wrap us up, or what do we got?
[1:27:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yes. So I just wanted to just touch on Bitcoin real quick before we we wrap up. But if you wanna plug something in, go ahead.
[1:27:44] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. We're good. Go for it.
[1:27:46] NatNat @Natnatx007: Alright. So BTC, we covered natural gas. We covered oil. Now let's cover, we covered DXY. Let's cover BTC before we go ahead and close out the space. BTC's at a very interesting level for me. I would like to see with liquidity building on both sides, as we mentioned yesterday. Right? So we have spot liquidity building above 90 k, but on the perp side, there's also liquidity building far below us. So, like, deep in in mid sixties with some slight buildup around 77 k. What's very interesting with... In terms of BTC, and this is one thing that we covered on the wall spaces earlier, there is a... An exponential moving average that I keep a close eye on, and it has been great, if you know how to follow it and and and use it. So last week, this exponential... This 20 exponential moving average on the weekly was telling us that there was support building at... That it was holding support at 74 k. Hence, whenever we spoke about BTC, I've been able to mention that my line in the stand for BTC was 74. We lose 74. I think seventy one and seventy are gonna come at us quickly. And if we break through it with some volumes or... With some volume and some force, we're right back into the sixties. Right? But as of today, this exponential moving average has given us a sharp move to the upside. In 2020... In 2023, it did the same. It gave us a sharp move to the upside, and we got an aggressive price action. Granted, back then in 2023, the price came up on the crossing of multiple exponential moving averages, and it it nuked. It it rejected there, and we got a flush down. This time around, we're above those exponential moving average. So it'll be very interesting to see how it plays out. Right? Because, one, we have a exponential moving average that's telling us to, you know, keep an eye out if things were to play out or if history were to repeat itself, similar scenario playing out, we can get ready for an aggressive move to the upside. However, back then, we were below the exponential moving average and and broke above. Here, this time around, we are already above. So it's gonna be very interesting to see if we do break down and if we tag that 76 k level, which is where the exponential moving average is now. If we break below the 76 k level, the... With the aggressive way in which the EMA has pointed up, it is the same manner that it can curve down as well. Alright? So 76 k is going to be a very interesting level for us to watch. The the reason being is the next EMA below us is at 69 k. K? So it's gonna be very interesting to see how it all plays out. We do have... Yeah. But we we do have some... As I mentioned, we have some spot liquidity up at the top. Right? But in order for us to get it, we need to break through the resistance line at eighty seven three hundred. If we start to see... Closes above eighty seven three hundred, it'll open the door to the liquidity to the top side. There's an exponential moving average at the 88 k, 89 k area. If we start to break through that with some force and some volume, you know, I would be open to that 93 to 94 k. But it all depends on these levels. That's why these levels are so important, and we keep talking about them over and over because we've seen how price reacts when it gets once it gets to these certain levels. Right? So I just wanted to give you guys a quick update on my end because, yesterday and last week, in terms of levels that I was watching, it was 74 k that was a big level for me. Now it is 76 k that's a big level for me. Because if we start to lose that and based on how the exponential moving average is moving, we start to lose that, the next one isn't until 69 k.
[1:31:47] Bread @_ToastMalone: Is there a key breakout number on the high side, though? Like, right now, I think, what are we, 83, 84? Did we hit 84 today?
[1:31:58] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Above 85, you'll probably see the highs get retested or somewhere around 86 to 87 and a half, and then that's the real breakout towards 88 to 90, potentially more into the mid to low nineties. But we would need to see closes maintained above around 88 to 90, not just swing above it and come
[1:32:18] NatNat @Natnatx007: back in. We need to see close.
[1:32:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: See daily.
[1:32:20] NatNat @Natnatx007: And the reason why we keep... Because we mentioned this yesterday and last week as well. The reason why closes matter is because VTC is known for wicking. Right? We wick below a certain area, but close above. We wick above a certain area and close below. We need to see closes on weekly, and then once we get that weekly, I would like to see monthly as well just for confirmation. Right? So it's gonna be very interesting to see how it plays out, but BTC is at a very interesting spot, nonetheless. Anything else you wanna add?
[1:32:49] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like a Wiki. Wiki.
[1:32:55] Dave @DCBK2LA: Not good stuff. Not good stuff. As I watch n q collapse and fall off a cliff after all day, it was nothing but short squeezes, short squeezes, short all day. And, of course, I missed... I should've cashed in the 6... I was greeting Nat. I wanted the I wanted the thousand dollars. I was at $7.50, and I
[1:33:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: didn't cash...
[1:33:14] Dave @DCBK2LA: I didn't get... I'm an idiot. I know.
[1:33:17] NatNat @Natnatx007: But what's your sizing?
[1:33:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: But there's others.
[1:33:19] Coinkong @coinkong: I... You know, I actually... I've been I've been using Vest the last, like, two days. Oh. I got
[1:33:24] Dave @DCBK2LA: How do like it?
[1:33:24] Coinkong @coinkong: It's it's actually pretty good. You know, it's first time doing a pro... Like, a prop firm thing. But, you know, I've traded perps often. I don't talk about that side of my trading because, like, I'm... You guys are definitely well above my grade level on that. But so far, pretty good. You know, I think I got about 20... 10 to 20 trades in, and I'm only, like, $300 down out of the out of the $25,000 prop count. So I'm doing okay.
[1:33:56] Dave @DCBK2LA: That's good, bro.
[1:33:57] NatNat @Natnatx007: You have a sort in right now?
[1:34:00] Coinkong @coinkong: Yeah. I've got actually 13 active positions right now. Wow. Goddamn. How do you manage 13 positions, you psycho?
[1:34:09] NatNat @Natnatx007: That's awesome. Wow.
[1:34:12] Coinkong @coinkong: I'm I'm very good in the sheets. You know what mean?
[1:34:15] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh my god.
[1:34:17] Landy @CryptoLandy: You said
[1:34:17] NatNat @Natnatx007: we're done.
[1:34:18] Dave @DCBK2LA: We're done.
[1:34:20] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, that's too funny. But Vest is... It's pretty good. Right? And the UI is very smooth, very easy to navigate.
[1:34:27] Coinkong @coinkong: Yeah. You know, like, I haven't had any any, like, glitchy stuff. Like, everything goes through. I've been... I've so far so good on all my all my t p and and stop losses and fucking all hit on time. So, like, everything seems to be running pretty smooth. So I think I'm gonna stick with it. And, you know, I'm only I'm only doing, like, three times to eight times leverage right now just as I'm, like, playing around. But I'm, like, fit... I mean... And, honestly, it's about fifty fifty. So I'm 300 down. I'm about fifty fifty on on on my trades right now. But doing pretty good, actually. You know, just for, like, the second day in, like, I'm actually... I'm I'm pretty impressed at how smooth everything is.
[1:35:05] Dave @DCBK2LA: Are you are you trading, like, liquids, like, stuff that has volume? Or, like like, I know you said 13 trades is in 13 different names.
[1:35:11] Bread @_ToastMalone: Or the 13 trades
[1:35:12] Coinkong @coinkong: I got 13 trades in there. Like, I had two ETH, two SOL, two Bitcoin, and then I have
[1:35:17] Dave @DCBK2LA: Nice.
[1:35:18] Coinkong @coinkong: NVIDIA Tesla, balance here, Apple, NQ. I got a couple Space.
[1:35:26] Dave @DCBK2LA: Alright. So so those so those areas essentially... Oh my god. It's thankfully
[1:35:30] Coinkong @coinkong: literally a corner
[1:35:31] Dave @DCBK2LA: at 3000820 to 30007. Nat, I had this dead to rights this morning all the way down to right before I had it.
[1:35:40] NatNat @Natnatx007: It's okay.
[1:35:40] Dave @DCBK2LA: I had
[1:35:41] NatNat @Natnatx007: it. It happens.
[1:35:41] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. You you got... Guys, when you see the green, okay
[1:35:46] NatNat @Natnatx007: Lock it in. Lock it in there.
[1:35:48] Dave @DCBK2LA: Take the money.
[1:35:49] NatNat @Natnatx007: Do the whiteboard. Lock it in. Right. Lock it in.
[1:35:53] Dave @DCBK2LA: Yeah. Exactly. Patience and lock it in. I was gonna say something else, but... Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. Toast. Wait. Do we have to No.
[1:36:02] Bread @_ToastMalone: You guys can call me. I mean, you know, whatever. You know? Oh, thank god. I'm just a crypto mori out here on the Internet. But two things. One, to clarify. Don't... Coin con, don't lump me in with these experts. Right? I trade, like, a kindergartener eating pace. Right? I am, far far below even the average trader in here. Right? Second, out of pure curiosity, again, my trading skills aren't up to par. What's happening with the whole energy sector? Because that was, like, the hot topic for a minute. Everybody was trading all these different energy, you know, tickers, and now it seems like it's been just dead silent for the past month or two.
[1:36:36] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, we're still trading it. Oil? Yeah. Yeah. I've mentioned oil? No. So I'm in oil, in natural gas. And on the equity side, I am in oxy. I was heavily in XLE, but it has been running nicely. So I took a lot of profit on that, but still holding my oxy. And I'm pretty sure Landy has been in some energy trades as well.
[1:37:02] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. It just depends on the trade. But the entire energy sector is still stupidly volatile, so it's really easy to trade for me. I don't I don't really like trading ranges. I sit on I sit on the sidelines. We did have a little bit of consolidation in the actual commodities, but the energy trade remained pretty volatile and and easy to trade and mostly to the upside as you can tell by, you know, the way the global economic environment is right now. And primarily, when you're talking about the energy trade right now, primarily, it's... The the talk of the town is diesel. Diesel. Diesel. Diesel. But everybody's saying the wrong thing about it. They're like, oh, diesel. I ran the Strait Of Hormuz. Like, bro, that was that was a long time ago at this point. Like, that's got nothing to do with diesel. Diesel is all about the war that no one wants to talk about, Russia, Ukraine. But I think Trump Trump actually kind of, like, put a focus back on it by making that deal with Russia for diesel, which, by the way, everybody's acting surprised. Like, oh my god. He made that deal with... Literally... How many months ago do we talk about the Alaska meeting where they where they made a big deal about the Alaska meeting where they were doing what? Talking about energy enrollments. And I think it just accelerated the timeline, with the diesel, you know, issues going on. It kind of accelerated the timeline and the relationship being a little bit warmer between, The United States and Russia. So... And look. A lot of people don't seem to understand this. I know that there's a lot of folks who feel very strongly about, like, Russia and and the Ukraine conflict. But those same people that feel very strongly about it, all of their countries, by the way, except The United States to this point, were buying oil, diesel, and natural gas from Russia the entire time. They never stopped. Meanwhile, they were taking your your tax dollars and funding Ukraine and facilitating the the war continuing. Now what... For... It doesn't matter whatever side you're you're on. Just understand that you were giving money to one side while paying the other. Right? So so, like, the... This whole the whole outrage narrative b s is is outrage narrative b s. And and that's, that's that's why I like trading energy because global markets are are volatile and nations are are stew... Full of stupid people, that elect stupid leaders. And there's a pretty good saying that I won't say here, but you can find it. There's a there's a there's an imam who says the stupid... The the people, they they are they are retarded. So he wasn't
[1:40:02] NatNat @Natnatx007: wrong. That was it?
[1:40:04] Landy @CryptoLandy: No. It's... It... If you... You can look it up. The people are retarded,
[1:40:08] Dave @DCBK2LA: and you
[1:40:08] Landy @CryptoLandy: will Oh, that's good. Find it. You will find that it is so true. It is so true. And, realistically, is most of the people who act like stupid leaders and you're like, wow. Why? How could they do such stupid things? They're not doing it because because they're actually stupid. They're doing it because they have an agenda, and it just doesn't happen to be anything that's good for us.
[1:40:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Sorry. It's it's 04:10. I get a little political. It's all good. Especially about energy.
[1:40:42] NatNat @Natnatx007: Yeah. Oh, and I've... And, actually, Landy, you're right. I I literally researched the quote, and he he did really say that. He did. But the people are retarded. This was in early twenties when they... Woah.
[1:40:57] Landy @CryptoLandy: Go go watch the video. It's a very famous video that is a meme, and it is true.
[1:41:08] NatNat @Natnatx007: It is true. With that being said, guys, before we close out the space, Zandi, I know you're passionate about California, and I know you're not doxed. But if you do end up running for mayor or governor? Will you ever
[1:41:25] Landy @CryptoLandy: Not not governor, but I'm already I'm already where people can very easily find my name because I have to sign things and and allocate payments and do things for a city.
[1:41:38] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Wait, Landy. You're running?
[1:41:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: Elected already. I've been... It's been that way for a while.
[1:41:50] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Alright. I'll vote for you.
[1:41:51] Landy @CryptoLandy: You could tell how you could tell how busy I am with all of that work, by the way. So clearly, a very, very difficult job.
[1:41:58] Bread @_ToastMalone: Sounds like California.
[1:42:01] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yeah. Exactly. Well, you know what? One of the things that that we have done is that we have incorporated a treasury that holds, cryptocurrencies and specifically Bitcoin. And we have issued bonds, that have allowed us to accrue stablecoin treasuries as well. So we're we're ahead of the time. One of the few.
[1:42:26] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: Alright, Lan. Yeah. It's a Californian. All I gotta say is don't fuck this up.
[1:42:31] Bread @_ToastMalone: Well, maybe, shoot me a message.
[1:42:32] Landy @CryptoLandy: I wanna go research.
[1:42:33] Bread @_ToastMalone: We can talk about 0 o USD.
[1:42:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: Hey, J Dog. Research your county treasurer, depending on which county you're in, and you might find some interesting people that you could be talking to right now.
[1:42:47] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, let's go. Let us know what you find, J Dog. Let us know what you find.
[1:42:53] J.Dog ᛤ @Relentless_btc: I'm asking my blind. When Landy lunch....
[1:42:55] Landy @CryptoLandy: Said that. I know where J Dog is. He's not near me.
[1:42:58] Coinkong @coinkong: When when, Landy, lunch? Come on, bro. What's up?
[1:43:02] Landy @CryptoLandy: Brother, I'd have to docs for that. So if we had lunch, maybe we have maybe we haven't before. You probably recognize my voice, though. But it would never be under the context of you knowing that it was... Or me discussing anything being said through this account.
[1:43:20] NatNat @Natnatx007: You know, sometimes I feel like I would recognize your voice, but there are moments where you literally sound like Trump. So then now it just confuses me.
[1:43:29] Landy @CryptoLandy: It's you. Exactly. It's the greatest... It's... It'll be the greatest lunch ever, Nat.
[1:43:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: I'm sure it will.
[1:43:36] Landy @CryptoLandy: It'd be wonderful. The best lunch, in fact. You will never have a lunch like this ever again.
[1:43:43] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh, that's too funny.
[1:43:44] Landy @CryptoLandy: It'll be the nation's greatest luncheon, they'll call it. That's what they'll say. Everybody's saying it.
[1:43:50] NatNat @Natnatx007: You guys see? Case in point. Right? Case in point. Sounds exactly like Trump.
[1:43:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: Yes. Maybe in the way. I can't hit the, the actual tone in his voice because I'm too degenerate and small, puny tiny little puppet. So someday, I will get to a Shane Gillis level of impersonation.
[1:44:12] NatNat @Natnatx007: We're close. You're really close. Alright, guys. With that being said, I do have a bible study coming up in, like, fifteen minutes. Anything you guys wanna add before we go ahead and close out the the show?
[1:44:22] Landy @CryptoLandy: Say hello to Jesus for us.
[1:44:23] NatNat @Natnatx007: Will. For sure. Anything you wanna say, David?
[1:44:27] Dave @DCBK2LA: Like and share the tweet up at the top. Oh, I gotta put the the the link. I always forget that, Matt. I gotta put the link
[1:44:35] NatNat @Natnatx007: Vest.
[1:44:35] Dave @DCBK2LA: For the... Yeah. And q is coming up. For Vest. Yeah. By the way. Yeah. And I appreciate you guys, man. Thank you for for for degenning and buying accounts even though they're $10 accounts or whatever. Like, I love it, man. Like, keep it cooking. It's making us look great. So
[1:44:52] Landy @CryptoLandy: Oh,
[1:44:52] Coinkong @coinkong: they got $10 accounts? What the heck?
[1:44:54] Dave @DCBK2LA: No, bro. You're not
[1:44:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: feeling... You better
[1:44:56] Landy @CryptoLandy: come to the candle cartel if you're gonna support Vest. Come to the candle cartel.
[1:44:59] NatNat @Natnatx007: Support both. Yeah.
[1:45:00] Dave @DCBK2LA: I swear to god. If you're all these 47¢ commissions that I'm seeing on my commissions dashboard, I'm going to dropkick you when I see you straight in the feet. No. But but thank you, guys. Yo. I I genuinely appreciate it. This is the way you get back. Like By the
[1:45:14] Landy @CryptoLandy: way, for... Who's who's doing the small 47¢ trades just giving you those tiny commissions?
[1:45:20] Dave @DCBK2LA: No. No. It's it's... Listen. Wait. Wait a minute. I don't even know what 47... I think
[1:45:26] Coinkong @coinkong: it's a referral fee.
[1:45:27] Landy @CryptoLandy: It should be 40. I'm glad that it's 47, by the way.
[1:45:32] Dave @DCBK2LA: I'm I'm glad that it's anything. You know? Yeah. Let's go.
[1:45:35] Landy @CryptoLandy: Just skip 46. Never happened.
[1:45:38] NatNat @Natnatx007: I see what you did then.
[1:45:42] Landy @CryptoLandy: So many people are gonna hate me for that one.
[1:45:44] NatNat @Natnatx007: Oh my goodness. Alright, guys. Well, I think there's no perfect moment like this one right here. Thank you guys so much for for for tuning in.
[1:45:55] NatNat @Natnatx007: This has been a great show. We covered a lot. We spoke about AI, the espionage, ledger, treasurer, even got some alpha. If you're wearing a business badge with credits, we had the AI guru himself, Tos Malone, come up. I also enjoyed looking at Milo's comments. Some of them are really, really funny. Thank you, Milo, keeping the comment section very active. Landy, thank you so much for your input. Always, always appreciate it. Con... Coin Kong, J Dog, and everyone that came up chimed in, asked questions in the DMs. Everyone that comes in shows on for us day after day after nice
[1:46:29] Coinkong @coinkong: to say about me. That's crazy.
[1:46:31] NatNat @Natnatx007: I did say. I said thank you everyone that came up to speak, including Koin Kong, Toast Malone, Jay Dog
[1:46:35] Landy @CryptoLandy: in the West.
[1:46:37] NatNat @Natnatx007: Exactly. If you have any alpha on how to make some, like, really quickly, I would take it. I would take all of the advice. Alright, guys. With that being said, we'll see you tomorrow back to Dave's house. And on Thursday, it'll be Landy's house, I believe.
[1:46:54] Landy @CryptoLandy: Thursday for sure. You'll get a reprieve from me tomorrow because I have to do Real quick. To do stuff.
[1:47:02] NatNat @Natnatx007: Alright. Sounds good, guys. Thank you guys so much again for tuning in. We'll see you guys tomorrow, and the clap is for everyone.
[1:47:10] Landy @CryptoLandy: Let's go.