0:25:47 ALEX DAMSKER @AlexDamsker (speaker unconfirmed): So I'm not going to comment on the number of users. Like, Telegram's always been super good at picking up volume of people, which is interesting because they don't have the typical tools of picking up volume. Like, they don't have a lot of that... The the sticky referral basis. So it's it's interesting that they that they are very, very good, at at picking up volumes of people. My concern is security. Like…

0:29:02 Benny Lee @eschatologian (speaker unconfirmed): Let's go. Along with along with gaming, you wanna definitely include escapism? That... That's huge when it comes to gaming escapism.

0:29:13 Dave @DCBK2LA (speaker unconfirmed): No. But I I think at the end of the day... But I I totally understand what Alex is saying because I constantly hear in Twitter spaces people mix up the two where they hear gamification and gaming. And I'm like, wait. We're not talking about the same exact thing. So, Alex, can you give it to me, like, in in in one sentence, like... Or rather, like, one or two sentences one more time? Because I wanna make sure that…